$ uname -a
Linux lm 6.11.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC
Thu Oct 17 14:53:09 PDT 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

ChangeLog:
https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ChangeLog-6.11.4

Building the kitchen-sink kernel took:
real 390.04
user 18175.87
sys 3742.11

...using RAMdisk on a 64-thread AMD Threadripper.

Find kernel source at https://kernel.org ... if you dare!

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vallor wrote:
> $ uname -a
> Linux lm 6.11.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC
> Thu Oct 17 14:53:09 PDT 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> ChangeLog:
> https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ChangeLog-6.11.4
>
> Building the kitchen-sink kernel took:
> real 390.04
> user 18175.87
> sys 3742.11
>
> ...using RAMdisk on a 64-thread AMD Threadripper.
>
> Find kernel source at https://kernel.org ... if you dare!
>
why don't i just buy a computer that does what i want

% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:

>why don't i just buy a computer that does what i want

Because you don't even realize how much power you're giving up, to the
corpo-crapo-ware.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 19:58:45 -0700, % wrote:

> why don't i just buy a computer that does what i want

A computer is a universal machine. It can do a thousand different things,
with the right programming. Why limit yourself to a product that does only
what the vendor wants it to do?

On 18 Oct 2024 01:31:19 GMT, vallor wrote:

> $ uname -a Linux lm 6.11.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Oct 17 14:53:09
> PDT 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

My Fedora 40 bix git 6.11.3 yesterday. I haven't rebooted in 30 days so
I'm still at 6.10.9. One of these days I'll get around to it.

On 18/10/2024 03:58, % wrote:
> vallor wrote:
>> $ uname -a
>> Linux lm 6.11.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC
>> Thu Oct 17 14:53:09 PDT 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>
>> ChangeLog:
>> https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ChangeLog-6.11.4
>>
>> Building the kitchen-sink kernel took:
>> real 390.04
>> user 18175.87
>> sys 3742.11
>>
>>   ...using RAMdisk on a 64-thread AMD Threadripper.
>>
>> Find kernel source at https://kernel.org ... if you dare!
>>
> why don't i just buy a computer that does what i want

LOL!

Well the problem is that no computer I have ever bought 'just does what
I want'.

But I have found that the least labour intensive path to that is a cheap
secondhand business computer and Linux Mint.

Obviously, depending on what you want, other methodologies might be better.

I 'just bought' a cellphone that ran off wifi and could receive text
messages, that being all I needed at that point.

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who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
“We did this ourselves.”

― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

On 10/18/24 11:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 18/10/2024 03:58, % wrote:
>> vallor wrote:
>>> $ uname -a
>>> Linux lm 6.11.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC
>>> Thu Oct 17 14:53:09 PDT 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>>
>>> ChangeLog:
>>> https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ChangeLog-6.11.4
>>>
>>> Building the kitchen-sink kernel took:
>>> real 390.04
>>> user 18175.87
>>> sys 3742.11
>>>
>>>   ...using RAMdisk on a 64-thread AMD Threadripper.
>>>
>>> Find kernel source at https://kernel.org ... if you dare!
>>>
>> why don't i just buy a computer that does what i want
>
> LOL!
>
> Well the problem is that no computer I have ever bought 'just does what
> I want'.
>
> But I have found that the least labour intensive path to that is a cheap
> secondhand business computer and Linux Mint.
>

I think %'s point is that you didn't build the kernel from scratch, you
installed a prebuilt disto.

Although to be fair, I spent yesterday at my Mum's and tried to scrap
her old Windows 10 PC for a new windows 11 PC. I've never used a Windows
11 PC. I lost the will to live, when the log on process demanded a PIN
and a Microsoft account, no way could she understand that with her
dementia.

I might have moved her to Linux when she had more marbles, but difficult
now.

So any slagging off of Windows is OK with me.

Mum's new DECT/GAP phone handset was irritatingly shit too, but that is
a different story. Why can't they make simple android WiFi phones, like
a smart phone, but with buttons instead of a touch screen.

On 10/18/24 04:18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 19:58:45 -0700, % wrote:
>
>> why don't i just buy a computer that does what i want
>
> A computer is a universal machine.

Not a Turing Universal Machine.

Le 2024-10-17 à 21 h 31, vallor a écrit :
> $ uname -a
> Linux lm 6.11.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC
> Thu Oct 17 14:53:09 PDT 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> ChangeLog:
> https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ChangeLog-6.11.4
>
> Building the kitchen-sink kernel took:
> real 390.04
> user 18175.87
> sys 3742.11
>
> ...using RAMdisk on a 64-thread AMD Threadripper.
>
> Find kernel source at https://kernel.org ... if you dare!

So your kernel is .3 higher than mine. What are the changes?

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

Le 2024-10-17 à 23 h 18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro a écrit :
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 19:58:45 -0700, % wrote:
>
>> why don't i just buy a computer that does what i want
>
> A computer is a universal machine. It can do a thousand different things,
> with the right programming. Why limit yourself to a product that does only
> what the vendor wants it to do?

That last sentence should be quoted for eternity.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

On 10/18/24 13:38, CrudeSausage wrote:
> Le 2024-10-17 à 21 h 31, vallor a écrit :
>> $ uname -a
>> Linux lm 6.11.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC
>> Thu Oct 17 14:53:09 PDT 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>
>> ChangeLog:
>> https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ChangeLog-6.11.4
>>
>> Building the kitchen-sink kernel took:
>> real 390.04
>> user 18175.87
>> sys 3742.11
>>
>>   ...using RAMdisk on a 64-thread AMD Threadripper.
>>
>> Find kernel source at https://kernel.org ... if you dare!
>
> So your kernel is .3 higher than mine. What are the changes?
>

Kernel 6.10 Introduced a MESA driver, Panthor, for the Mali-G610 GPU Arm
SoC. Important if you are running on an RK3588(s) machine, like an
Orange Pi 5, which I am.

It still freezes, occasionally, but is a lot better than what came before.

On 10/17/2024 11:18 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> A computer is a universal machine. It can do a thousand different things,
> with the right programming.

Local GuhNoo idiot Feeb says everything except math and physics
computation is "just a cheap appropriation" of computing.

I don't remember if this was before or after he posted a cartoon pic of
a guy farting.

Le 2024-10-18 à 14 h 06, 186282ud0s3 a écrit :
> On 10/18/24 8:25 AM, Pancho wrote:
>> On 10/18/24 11:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 18/10/2024 03:58, % wrote:
>>>> vallor wrote:
>>>>> $ uname -a
>>>>> Linux lm 6.11.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC
>>>>> Thu Oct 17 14:53:09 PDT 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>>>>
>>>>> ChangeLog:
>>>>> https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ChangeLog-6.11.4
>>>>>
>>>>> Building the kitchen-sink kernel took:
>>>>> real 390.04
>>>>> user 18175.87
>>>>> sys 3742.11
>>>>>
>>>>>   ...using RAMdisk on a 64-thread AMD Threadripper.
>>>>>
>>>>> Find kernel source at https://kernel.org ... if you dare!
>>>>>
>>>> why don't i just buy a computer that does what i want
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> Well the problem is that no computer I have ever bought 'just does
>>> what I want'.
>>>
>>> But I have found that the least labour intensive path to that is a
>>> cheap secondhand business computer and Linux Mint.
>>>
>>
>> I think %'s point is that you didn't build the kernel from scratch,
>> you installed a prebuilt disto.
>>
>> Although to be fair, I spent yesterday at my Mum's and tried to scrap
>> her old Windows 10 PC for a new windows 11 PC. I've never used a
>> Windows 11 PC. I lost the will to live, when the log on process
>> demanded a PIN and a Microsoft account, no way could she understand
>> that with her dementia.
>
>   Gotta deal with that evil early during installation,
>   and they don't make it easy anymore, and you'd better
>   not have any net connection it can find.
>
>   Anyway, you CAN compile it yourself - but it's easier
>   to pick a good distro and then tweak it a bit after.
>
>   As for your Mum ... KDE desktop ? The look and feel
>   are kinda like Winders, and can be set to be even
>   more so. Linux Lite resembles Winders too. Kubuntu,
>   well, if you can stand what Canonical has done to
>   Linux ....

I'm using Kubuntu 24.04 myself and it is a very polished distribution.
If you hate Snap so much, enable Flatpak and move on. For my tastes,
Snap is quite fine.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

On 18 Oct 2024 01:31:19 GMT, vallor wrote:

>
> Building the kitchen-sink kernel ...
>
> Find kernel source at https://kernel.org ... if you dare!
>

Do "make menuconfig" ... if you dare!

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 14:06:37 -0400, 186282ud0s3 wrote:

>
> As for your Mum ... KDE desktop ? The look and feel
> are kinda like Winders, and can be set to be even
> more so. Linux Lite resembles Winders too. Kubuntu,
> well, if you can stand what Canonical has done to
> Linux ....
>

Ha, ha, ha, ha!

I find it ironically amusing that you would recommend KDE
and Kununtu for someone that is suffering from dementia.

They both are in the same league as Microslop Winblows.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 11:46:42 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Local GuhNoo idiot Feeb says everything except math and physics
> computation is "just a cheap appropriation" of computing.

I'm reading Neal Stephenson's new book 'Polostan'. There is a character
Fizmatov. When the main character asks him if it's an Ukrainian name he
says that he made it up after the revolution (Russian) when people were
adopting new name. He worked at the Physics and Mathematics Institute,
thus Fizmatov.

Another possible nym for Feeb.

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:25:02 +0100, Pancho wrote:

> I might have moved her to Linux when she had more marbles, but difficult
> now.

I had an elderly, disabled friend who suffered a stroke about 20 years
ago, and after becoming more house-bound, decided he wanted to get into
this whole “internet” and “computer” thing.

I was still learning about Linux myself at the time. I helped him get set
up with Windows XP. Then, after a while, I set up a dual-boot with SuSE
(which was what my main client was fond of at the time), and introduced
him to the games that came with it, which he quite liked playing.

Then it came time to replace that original machine. After talking to the
nice sales guy at the computer store, we decided he would get a dual-core
white-box AMD machine with no Windows OS. If he needed Windows, we could
come back later and get it for some suitable sum.

Instead, I installed Linux Mint, Cinnamon edition, on that machine. I
figured out how to transfer his email address book from the old XP system
into Mozilla Thunderbird. There was a bit of fiddling to find a simple app
that would play his audio CDs as soon as he put them in the drive, instead
of trying to copy them to audio files on the hard drive. All the internet
stuff he was doing before, he was able to continue doing just fine.

He did have a recurring problem where the shortcut icon I put on his
desktop to launch Thunderbird would keep disappearing. Eventually, I was
able to guide him over the phone to right-click on the Thunderbird icon in
the application menu and select the “Add to Desktop” option to recreate
the shortcut.

He died three years ago. We never did go back for that copy of Windows.

On 18 Oct 2024 19:37:31 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:25:02 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>
>> Although to be fair, I spent yesterday at my Mum's and tried to scrap
>> her old Windows 10 PC for a new windows 11 PC. I've never used a
>> Windows 11 PC. I lost the will to live, when the log on process
>> demanded a PIN and a Microsoft account, no way could she understand
>> that with her dementia.
>
> I don't know if they plugged the loophole but previously if it wasn't
> connected to the internet you could create a local user and go on with
> the install.

This is why they say, Windows is a great OS -- if your time is worth
nothing.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On 18 Oct 2024 19:37:31 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:25:02 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>>
>>> Although to be fair, I spent yesterday at my Mum's and tried to scrap
>>> her old Windows 10 PC for a new windows 11 PC. I've never used a
>>> Windows 11 PC. I lost the will to live, when the log on process
>>> demanded a PIN and a Microsoft account, no way could she understand
>>> that with her dementia.
>>
>> I don't know if they plugged the loophole but previously if it wasn't
>> connected to the internet you could create a local user and go on with
>> the install.
>
>This is why they say, Windows is a great OS -- if your time is worth
>nothing.

I mean, if you're already using their crapware, signing in isn't that
big of a fucking deal. You either want to be husbanded by them, or
you don't. I don't.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 10/18/24 8:25 AM, Pancho wrote:
> On 10/18/24 11:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 18/10/2024 03:58, % wrote:
>>> vallor wrote:
>>>> $ uname -a
>>>> Linux lm 6.11.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC
>>>> Thu Oct 17 14:53:09 PDT 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>>>
>>>> ChangeLog:
>>>> https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ChangeLog-6.11.4
>>>>
>>>> Building the kitchen-sink kernel took:
>>>> real 390.04
>>>> user 18175.87
>>>> sys 3742.11
>>>>
>>>>   ...using RAMdisk on a 64-thread AMD Threadripper.
>>>>
>>>> Find kernel source at https://kernel.org ... if you dare!
>>>>
>>> why don't i just buy a computer that does what i want
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> Well the problem is that no computer I have ever bought 'just does
>> what I want'.
>>
>> But I have found that the least labour intensive path to that is a
>> cheap secondhand business computer and Linux Mint.
>>
>
> I think %'s point is that you didn't build the kernel from scratch, you
> installed a prebuilt disto.
>
> Although to be fair, I spent yesterday at my Mum's and tried to scrap
> her old Windows 10 PC for a new windows 11 PC. I've never used a Windows
> 11 PC. I lost the will to live, when the log on process demanded a PIN
> and a Microsoft account, no way could she understand that with her
> dementia.

Gotta deal with that evil early during installation,
and they don't make it easy anymore, and you'd better
not have any net connection it can find.

Anyway, you CAN compile it yourself - but it's easier
to pick a good distro and then tweak it a bit after.

As for your Mum ... KDE desktop ? The look and feel
are kinda like Winders, and can be set to be even
more so. Linux Lite resembles Winders too. Kubuntu,
well, if you can stand what Canonical has done to
Linux ....

On 10/18/24 3:08 PM, Nux Vomica wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 14:06:37 -0400, 186282ud0s3 wrote:
>
>>
>> As for your Mum ... KDE desktop ? The look and feel
>> are kinda like Winders, and can be set to be even
>> more so. Linux Lite resembles Winders too. Kubuntu,
>> well, if you can stand what Canonical has done to
>> Linux ....
>>
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
> I find it ironically amusing that you would recommend KDE
> and Kununtu for someone that is suffering from dementia.
>
> They both are in the same league as Microslop Winblows.
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Therein was the entire idea ... fool fuzzy Mum into
believing she was using Winders. She's used to the
WinCrap look-n-feel.

Me, I still pref LXDE - JUST Enough GUI.

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 14:44:07 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> I'm using Kubuntu 24.04 myself and it is a very polished distribution.
> If you hate Snap so much, enable Flatpak and move on. For my tastes,
> Snap is quite fine.

I've got a few snaps but Brave and Firefox are the two I notice because of
the warning to update. Others line Dbeaver or nmap that aren't always open
quitely get updated.

Oddly Brave is a flatpak on the Fedora machine but Firefox isn't.

On 10/18/2024 15:37, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:25:02 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>
>> Although to be fair, I spent yesterday at my Mum's and tried to scrap
>> her old Windows 10 PC for a new windows 11 PC. I've never used a Windows
>> 11 PC. I lost the will to live, when the log on process demanded a PIN
>> and a Microsoft account, no way could she understand that with her
>> dementia.
>
> I don't know if they plugged the loophole but previously if it wasn't
> connected to the internet you could create a local user and go on with the
> install.

Last I heard you can't anymore. If you have no internet connection, it
will create a temporary account but the moment you connect the machine
to the internet it immediately forces you to make a Microsoft account
which then replaces the temp account. The only way around that is if you
have a AD/DC on the network and your using Windows Enterprise. Then you
don't need a Microsoft account (nor do you need a Microsoft Azure/Work
account either). I could be wrong but that's what I heard last from a
buddy of mine who provisions windows machines for the company he works for.

--
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----------
- Adam: Is a void really a void if it returns?
- Jack: No, it's just nullspace at that point.
----------

rbowman wrote:

> Pancho wrote:
>
>> I spent yesterday at my Mum's and tried to scrap
>> her old Windows 10 PC for a new windows 11 PC. I've never used a Windows
>> 11 PC. I lost the will to live, when the log on process demanded a PIN
>> and a Microsoft account, no way could she understand that with her
>> dementia.
>
> I don't know if they plugged the loophole but previously if it wasn't
> connected to the internet you could create a local user and go on with the
> install.

They make it harder and harder to avoid creating the MS account, there's
still ways and means, but it's easier to install with a throwaway MS
account, then create a local account, make sure you save the BitLocker
encryption key which may get saved there, finally nuke the MS account
from the machine.

On 19/10/2024 11:07, Andy Burns wrote:
> rbowman wrote:
>
>> Pancho wrote:
>>
>>> I spent yesterday at my Mum's and tried to scrap
>>> her old Windows 10 PC for a new windows 11 PC. I've never used a Windows
>>> 11 PC. I lost the will to live, when the log on process demanded a PIN
>>> and a Microsoft account, no way could she understand that with her
>>> dementia.
>>
>> I don't know if they plugged the loophole but previously if it wasn't
>> connected to the internet you could create a local user and go on with
>> the
>> install.
>
> They make it harder and harder to avoid creating the MS account, there's
> still ways and means, but it's easier to install with a throwaway MS
> account, then create a local account, make sure you save the BitLocker
> encryption key which may get saved there, finally nuke the MS account
> from the machine.
>
Its like owning an android phone. You seem to need a gmail account.

I have nostalgia for the days when people spent money on developing
better products, not on lockins and marketing.

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to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.