In news:66c7b639$0$2385531$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com, Skeeter
<skeeterweed@photonmail.com> typed:

> In article <va8c22$j60a$4@dont-email.me>, maximusheadroom@gmx.com
> says...
>> In news:6pjecjdvng9f0bp068c0phb142670su0pg@4ax.com, Governor Swill
>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 08:30:19 -0500, "Scout"
>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>>>> So, yea, I think some ground pounder in Iraq could easily say they carried
>>>> an M16 during that conflict and it would be totally truthful.

>>>> Certainly gun grabbing Democrats would never be able to tell the
>>>> difference.

>>> You may have missed the challenge to Skeeter's claim.

>>> Walz never claimed to have carried an M16.

>> He claimed it was an AR15, didn't he?

> He never carried a weapon in combat. He was never in combat.

"We can make sure that those weapons of war, that I carried in war, is the only
place where those weapons are at."

I foolishly assumed he wasn't actually referring to M16s or M4s.

citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote in
news:va7rg1$grrb$1@dont-email.me:

> On 8/22/2024 10:29 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> Where do you think Putin would attack Europe next if we don't stop
>> his imperial ambitions in Ukraine?
>
> Nowhere, he's not going to attack his best customers.
>
> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/17/infographic-how-much-of-your-c
> ountrys-gas-comes-from-russia-interactive
>
> In 2021, European imports of gas from Russia were more than 380
> million cubic metres (mcm) per day via pipeline, totalling about 140
> bcm for the year, according to the IEA. An additional 15 bcm was
> delivered in liquified natural gas (LNG) form. Russia accounted for
> about 45 percent of the EU’s gas imports and 40 percent of its
> entire gas consumption.
>

=============
During a discussion on Russian state TV, the Major-General called on
Putin to correct a "historical mistake" made by Lenin and Stalin.

He said the Kremlin should seize control of Narva in Estonia, Klaipeda in
Lithuania and Daugavpils in Latvia.

https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/138749/putin-russia-invade-
nato-states

==============
After Ukraine, the Kremlin's next targets could be Moldova and the Baltic
countries, Belgian army chief Michel Hofman has warned.

Russia has "already shown that they have the will to attack a neighbor,"
Hofman told Belgian news outlet VRT while visiting Belgian soldiers
stationed in Romania. Russian President Vladimir Putin's language "is
always ambiguous. It is absolutely possible that they will also have
other ideas later. Either in the south in Moldova or the Baltic states,"
he said.

https://www.politico.eu/article/belgian-army-chief-hofman-putin-attack-
after-ukraine-baltics-moldova-next-russia/

In article <va8pdq$oj7l$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote in
> news:va7rg1$grrb$1@dont-email.me:
>
> > On 8/22/2024 10:29 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> >> Where do you think Putin would attack Europe next if we don't stop
> >> his imperial ambitions in Ukraine?
> >
> > Nowhere, he's not going to attack his best customers.
> >
> > https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/17/infographic-how-much-of-your-c
> > ountrys-gas-comes-from-russia-interactive
> >
> > In 2021, European imports of gas from Russia were more than 380
> > million cubic metres (mcm) per day via pipeline, totalling about 140
> > bcm for the year, according to the IEA. An additional 15 bcm was
> > delivered in liquified natural gas (LNG) form. Russia accounted for
> > about 45 percent of the EU�s gas imports and 40 percent of its
> > entire gas consumption.
> >
>
> =============
> During a discussion on Russian state TV, the Major-General called on
> Putin to correct a "historical mistake" made by Lenin and Stalin.
>
> He said the Kremlin should seize control of Narva in Estonia, Klaipeda in
> Lithuania and Daugavpils in Latvia.
>
> https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/138749/putin-russia-invade-
> nato-states
>
> ==============
> After Ukraine, the Kremlin's next targets could be Moldova and the Baltic
> countries, Belgian army chief Michel Hofman has warned.
>
> Russia has "already shown that they have the will to attack a neighbor,"
> Hofman told Belgian news outlet VRT while visiting Belgian soldiers
> stationed in Romania. Russian President Vladimir Putin's language "is
> always ambiguous. It is absolutely possible that they will also have
> other ideas later. Either in the south in Moldova or the Baltic states,"
> he said.
>
> https://www.politico.eu/article/belgian-army-chief-hofman-putin-attack-
> after-ukraine-baltics-moldova-next-russia/

Who cares?

On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:49:16 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:6pjecjdvng9f0bp068c0phb142670su0pg@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 08:30:19 -0500, "Scout"
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:66c4ade0$0$1895500$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>> In article <va23cv$3cql0$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:66c3db98$3$212409$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>>> > In article <1089214640.745802856.044434.recscuba_google-
>>>>> > huntzinger.com@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Chips Loral <loralandclinton@invalid.co> wrote:
>>>>> >> > -hh wrote:
>>>>> >> >> Gosh, isn't it odd how neither DA nor MN National Guard has any
>>>>> >> >> record
>>>>> >> >> of a "fall 2004" notification.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Gosh isn't this whole exercise in his spotty military record a
>>>>> >> > distraction from his ardent and totalitarian fascism:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Translation:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> You can?t substantiate your claim, so you?re trying now to change
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> subject.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> In the meantime, another MN NG member has commented that they hadn?t
>>>>> >> received orders as of early 2005, contradicting your claim:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> [quote]
>>>>> >> ??Bonnifield said. ?At the time he retired, we hadn?t gotten alert
>>>>> >> notice.
>>>>> >> We had no notice other than ?this could happen.? It could have, may
>>>>> >> not
>>>>> >> have. So when he made the decision, there were a lot of other people
>>>>> >> that
>>>>> >> did at the same time, and why everyone was picking on him for
>>>>> >> retiring, I
>>>>> >> don?t know.?
>>>>> >> [/quote]
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> <https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/16/walz-military-record-service>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> But wait, there?s more (same source):
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> [quote]
>>>>> >> ?All these people that are connected with the Minnesota national
>>>>> >> guard
>>>>> >> have
>>>>> >> an ax to grind,? [retired SGM Mike] Lavigne said, noting how two of
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> people who have been critical of Walz from the unit have social
>>>>> >> media
>>>>> >> accounts dripping with rightwing invective. ?It?s got nothing to do
>>>>> >> with
>>>>> >> army service. It?s got nothing to do with the army values. It?s all
>>>>> >> politics.
>>>>> >> [quote]
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Finally, one more (ibid):
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> [quote]
>>>>> >> ?When a service member reaches 20 years of service, they can submit
>>>>> >> a
>>>>> >> request to retire even if there is time remaining on their enlisted
>>>>> >> contractual agreement,? said Army Col Scott Rohweder, Minnesota
>>>>> >> national
>>>>> >> guard?s joint chief of staff. ?Their request is reviewed and must be
>>>>> >> approved by leadership.?
>>>>> >> [/quote]
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Mentioning this one because part of the butthurt from Chip?s
>>>>> >> claimant
>>>>> >> was
>>>>> >> from a CSM who?s trying to claim that *he* didn?t approve Walz?s
>>>>> >> retirement
>>>>> >> papers.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Problem that that CSM has is that he doesn?t know his own damn job:
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> CSM is not directly a part of the chain of command. As such, he
>>>>> >> utterly
>>>>> >> lacks the authority he thinks he had to ?approve? the action.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The CSM in the NCO Support Channel, not Chain of Command, serving as
>>>>> >> a
>>>>> >> facilitator and advocate for the Enlisted in effectively a
>>>>> >> consultative
>>>>> >> role to the Commander. Good Commanders listen carefully to what
>>>>> >> their
>>>>> >> CSM
>>>>> >> says, but he is not under any obligation to follow said advice.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> <https://www.armystudyguide.com/content/Prep_For_Basic_Training/Prep_for_basic_general_information/chain-of-command-nco-supp.shtml>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -hh
>>>>> >
>>>>> > He still lied.
>>>>>
>>>>> About what? When? Proof?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He said he carried an M-16 in Iraq. There were no M-16s in Iraq.
>>>
>>>Actually at the start of the conflict the M16A2 was pretty much standard
>>>issue, and was only replaced later with the M4/M4A which is just an M16
>>>with
>>>a shorter and then made later a heavier short barrel.
>>>
>>>So, yea, I think some ground pounder in Iraq could easily say they carried
>>>an M16 during that conflict and it would be totally truthful.
>>>
>>>Certainly gun grabbing Democrats would never be able to tell the
>>>difference.
>>>
>>
>> You may have missed the challenge to Skeeter's claim.
>>
>> Walz never claimed to have carried an M16.
>
>And just like that, Rudy attempts to revise Usenet history....
>
>

First, you know I'm not Rudy, second, you can't prove he ever said he carried an
M16.

If you believe otherwise, produce the Walz quote.

--
#NEVERtrump

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:66c7f019$0$2754$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <va8pdq$oj7l$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> says...
>>
>> citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote in
>> news:va7rg1$grrb$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>> > On 8/22/2024 10:29 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> >> Where do you think Putin would attack Europe next if we don't stop
>> >> his imperial ambitions in Ukraine?
>> >
>> > Nowhere, he's not going to attack his best customers.
>> >
>> > https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/17/infographic-how-much-of-you
>> > r-c ountrys-gas-comes-from-russia-interactive
>> >
>> > In 2021, European imports of gas from Russia were more than 380
>> > million cubic metres (mcm) per day via pipeline, totalling about
>> > 140 bcm for the year, according to the IEA. An additional 15 bcm
>> > was delivered in liquified natural gas (LNG) form. Russia accounted
>> > for about 45 percent of the EU�?s gas imports and 40 percent of
>> > its entire gas consumption.
>> >
>>
>> =============
>> During a discussion on Russian state TV, the Major-General called on
>> Putin to correct a "historical mistake" made by Lenin and Stalin.
>>
>> He said the Kremlin should seize control of Narva in Estonia,
>> Klaipeda in Lithuania and Daugavpils in Latvia.
>>
>> https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/138749/putin-russia-invade
>> - nato-states
>>
>> ==============
>> After Ukraine, the Kremlin's next targets could be Moldova and the
>> Baltic countries, Belgian army chief Michel Hofman has warned.
>>
>> Russia has "already shown that they have the will to attack a
>> neighbor," Hofman told Belgian news outlet VRT while visiting Belgian
>> soldiers stationed in Romania. Russian President Vladimir Putin's
>> language "is always ambiguous. It is absolutely possible that they
>> will also have other ideas later. Either in the south in Moldova or
>> the Baltic states," he said.
>>
>> https://www.politico.eu/article/belgian-army-chief-hofman-putin-attack
>> - after-ukraine-baltics-moldova-next-russia/
>
> Who cares?
>

Obviously the free people in Europe - but you clearly don't care about
freedom.

On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 14:46:37 -0700, "max headroom" wrote:

>Governor Swill typed:
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 08:30:19 -0500, "Scout" wrote:
>>> So, yea, I think some ground pounder in Iraq could easily say they carried
>>> an M16 during that conflict and it would be totally truthful.
>>> Certainly gun grabbing Democrats would never be able to tell the difference.

>> You may have missed the challenge to Skeeter's claim.

>> Walz never claimed to have carried an M16.
>
>He claimed it was an AR15, didn't he?

No.

If you don't know what he *actually* said, why are you criticizing him for
saying it?

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#NEVERtrump

On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:30:32 -0700, "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
wrote:

>In news:66c7b639$0$2385531$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com, Skeeter
><skeeterweed@photonmail.com> typed:
>
>> In article <va8c22$j60a$4@dont-email.me>, maximusheadroom@gmx.com
>> says...
>>> In news:6pjecjdvng9f0bp068c0phb142670su0pg@4ax.com, Governor Swill
>>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 08:30:19 -0500, "Scout"
>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>>>> So, yea, I think some ground pounder in Iraq could easily say they carried
>>>>> an M16 during that conflict and it would be totally truthful.
>
>>>>> Certainly gun grabbing Democrats would never be able to tell the
>>>>> difference.
>
>>>> You may have missed the challenge to Skeeter's claim.
>
>>>> Walz never claimed to have carried an M16.
>
>>> He claimed it was an AR15, didn't he?
>
>> He never carried a weapon in combat. He was never in combat.
>
>"We can make sure that those weapons of war, that I carried in war, is the only
>place where those weapons are at."
>
>I foolishly assumed he wasn't actually referring to M16s or M4s.
>

"Foolishly assumed" being the operative phrase.

--
#NEVERtrump

On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:52:28 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>Meanwhile, I acknowledge your inability to answer my question and instead
>your lame attempts to change the subject

And I acknowledge your desire to circumvent the Constitution by supporting an
autocrat who would gut our freedoms so you can have extra.

--
#NEVERtrump

On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:59:11 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>> It is to the MAGAs. They've been going on endlessly about it though the
>> don't
>> seem to keen to discuss five times draft dodging Cadet Bonespurs.
>
>Do you mean Joe Biden? I thought it was for his mythical asthma....
>You know the Lifeguard/Football player?
>
>Add how you made no mention of this during Biden's campaigns...

That you would consider that the equivalent of Cadet Bonespurs tells much about
you.

Trump is toast.

--
#NEVERtrump

On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 13:07:42 -0500, "Scout" wrote:
>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 08:20:47 -0500, "Scout" wrote:
>>
>>>> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/5/us-senate-unveils-118bn-deal-on-border-aid-for-israel-and-ukraine
>>>>
>>>> The United States Senate has unveiled a $118bn bipartisan deal that
>>>> would
>>>> boost border security and provide wartime aid for Israel and Ukraine.
>>>
>>>So to be clear.. Rudy thinks we should send $118 Billion dollars.. just so
>>>that a mere $20.23 Billion (17% ) gets spent here in America where it will
>>>actually help Americans?
>>
>> The vast majority of that money will never leave the country.
>
>So you claim.. but let's assume that's true.. what they buy with that money
>certainly will....

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Who else are they going to buy Bradlies
from? Patriot ammo? Look at the list of weapons they're using. Most of them
are ours. And what doesn't come back here, gets spent in Europe. Whining about
that is like whining that your brother just got a raise.

>> It gets deposited
>> into American banks and ends up back here anyway.
>
>Unsupported assertions.

Spouting bullshit still? I guess you're a Russky lover too. You sure seem,
like Trump, to not give a shit how much land Putin steals.

He's already lost this war. We're just waiting for the twitching to stop.

>> It's tied to buying arms from
>> US manufacturers thereby creating US jobs.
>
>If they were buying NEW.. maybe, but somehow I bet the overwhelming bulk of
>it will create no new jobs. heck with that kind of money they could hire
>those workers to produce something American's actually need.

The weapons we're sending have mostly been obsolete ones scheduled for
decommissioning soon. Others were new and therefore created work for Americans.

What they buy used has to be replaced. The F-16s Ukraine is getting are being
replaced with F-35s (built in the USA) by the donor nations. Poland is buying
enormous quantities of new US weaponry to replace the old Soviet stocks they've
been giving Ukraine. And Poland isn't the only country doing it. Every nation
on earth donating or selling US made 'previously owned' weapons is having to
replace them with NEW US made weapons. Further, military spending is sharply up
across Europe and we are the #1 arms dealer. Even India is abandoning Russia's
arms market and buying from us.

>> How long do you think it would take Iran to own Israel if we cut them off?
>
>Probably pretty long.. the Israel, might just have to stop playing softball
>and get serious about wiping out Hamas and those that shelter such
>terrorists.

Not more than a five years, tops. Without unconditional US backing, Israel
would vanish like a puff of smoke in the breeze.

>> Where do you think Putin would attack Europe next if we don't stop his
>> imperial
>> ambitions in Ukraine?
>
>Then let Europe pay for it.. I mean they are the ones that benefit from it.
>Why should we have to foot the bill?

LOL! No nation, no matter how powerful, can stand without allies. European
security *is* US security. We are inextricably linked. I remind you of what
Republicans taught us within living memory: better to fight them over there
than over here.

>We are now one of the most indebted nations in the world given our national
>debt to GDP ratio.

Complain to the GOP. The Democrats have done their best to mitigate against
Republicans throwing our treasure away with both hands.

Don't bother refuting this. It's fact and has been proven to you time and time
again.

>So I ask, when does this endless borrowing and mounting debt become an issue
>that needs to be addressed?

I don't know. Why don't you ask the GOP?

>That's going to do far more harm than anything Putin could do.

Your hypocrisy is noted. That's money we wouldn't be spending if it weren't for
Putin.

How about this plan for deficit reduction?

Let's roll the tax code back to 1999. Revenues will go up and working people
will get a tax cut that they'll spend into economic growth.

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On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 14:36:05 -0700, "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
wrote:

>In news:q25fcjdokubeke0gp89bf8mddk4ngf4sae@4ax.com, X, formerly known as
>"!Jones" <x@y.com> typed:
>
>> If you have a medical emergency, stop reading, log off, and dial 911!
>
>> I'm not speaking from personal knowledge because *I* didn't retire
>> from the military; however, it is my understanding that one submits a
>> *request* to retire that may either be approved or denied by the
>> command.
>
>> Methinks y'all are wasting your time with the "swift-boat" crap. That
>> worked with Kerry because he took an oblique swipe at Bush's service
>> (such as it was) in the Alabama Air National Guard and touted his own
>> medals (which he had thrown away in front of a national TV camera crew
>> a few years earlier.) Kerry was *not* a favorite of the Vietnam
>> Veterans!
>
>> Today, the Donald was an *obvious* draft dodger during the Vietnam War
>> and Walz has never touted any specific heroics... you're wasting your
>> time. You won't find a great audiance willing to hit their "like"
>> buttons because Walz is well respected in military circles... *most*
>> will tend to vote for him...
>
>... Jones claims, without a shred of evidence.
>

.... you hope, because Trump smells like fear.

--
#NEVERtrump

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

>[...] Trump smells like fear.

Tim Walz is all about transgender, and Kamala will start WWIII,
according to DJT. Inflation will stop having gone back down, because
we failed to elect Elon Musk's candidate. *FUCK THAT*. Blue wave, we
win, game over. Welcome to Century 21.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

In news:p2vfcjp8mvr082plgg7es4n8c0e1tp0ake@4ax.com, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:30:32 -0700, "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
> wrote:
>> In news:66c7b639$0$2385531$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com, Skeeter
>> <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> typed:
>>> In article <va8c22$j60a$4@dont-email.me>, maximusheadroom@gmx.com
>>> says...
>>>> In news:6pjecjdvng9f0bp068c0phb142670su0pg@4ax.com, Governor Swill
>>>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 08:30:19 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>>>>>> So, yea, I think some ground pounder in Iraq could easily say they
>>>>>> carried an M16 during that conflict and it would be totally truthful.

>>>>>> Certainly gun grabbing Democrats would never be able to tell the
>>>>>> difference.

>>>>> You may have missed the challenge to Skeeter's claim.

>>>>> Walz never claimed to have carried an M16.

>>>> He claimed it was an AR15, didn't he?

>>> He never carried a weapon in combat. He was never in combat.

>> "We can make sure that those weapons of war, that I carried in war, is the
>> only place where those weapons are at."

>> I foolishly assumed he wasn't actually referring to M16s or M4s.

> "Foolishly assumed" being the operative phrase.

So you believe he was referrig to civilians using M16s and M4s. Got it.

In article <8oufcjlrumkp65s3h9qa6htfsnn50ksit6@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:49:16 -0500, "Scout"
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:6pjecjdvng9f0bp068c0phb142670su0pg@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 08:30:19 -0500, "Scout"
> >> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:66c4ade0$0$1895500$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>>> In article <va23cv$3cql0$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>> me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:66c3db98$3$212409$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>>>> > In article <1089214640.745802856.044434.recscuba_google-
> >>>>> > huntzinger.com@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >>>>> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Chips Loral <loralandclinton@invalid.co> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > -hh wrote:
> >>>>> >> >> Gosh, isn't it odd how neither DA nor MN National Guard has any
> >>>>> >> >> record
> >>>>> >> >> of a "fall 2004" notification.
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > Gosh isn't this whole exercise in his spotty military record a
> >>>>> >> > distraction from his ardent and totalitarian fascism:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Translation:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> You can?t substantiate your claim, so you?re trying now to change
> >>>>> >> the
> >>>>> >> subject.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> In the meantime, another MN NG member has commented that they hadn?t
> >>>>> >> received orders as of early 2005, contradicting your claim:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> [quote]
> >>>>> >> ??Bonnifield said. ?At the time he retired, we hadn?t gotten alert
> >>>>> >> notice.
> >>>>> >> We had no notice other than ?this could happen.? It could have, may
> >>>>> >> not
> >>>>> >> have. So when he made the decision, there were a lot of other people
> >>>>> >> that
> >>>>> >> did at the same time, and why everyone was picking on him for
> >>>>> >> retiring, I
> >>>>> >> don?t know.?
> >>>>> >> [/quote]
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> <https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/16/walz-military-record-service>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> But wait, there?s more (same source):
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> [quote]
> >>>>> >> ?All these people that are connected with the Minnesota national
> >>>>> >> guard
> >>>>> >> have
> >>>>> >> an ax to grind,? [retired SGM Mike] Lavigne said, noting how two of
> >>>>> >> the
> >>>>> >> people who have been critical of Walz from the unit have social
> >>>>> >> media
> >>>>> >> accounts dripping with rightwing invective. ?It?s got nothing to do
> >>>>> >> with
> >>>>> >> army service. It?s got nothing to do with the army values. It?s all
> >>>>> >> politics.
> >>>>> >> [quote]
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Finally, one more (ibid):
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> [quote]
> >>>>> >> ?When a service member reaches 20 years of service, they can submit
> >>>>> >> a
> >>>>> >> request to retire even if there is time remaining on their enlisted
> >>>>> >> contractual agreement,? said Army Col Scott Rohweder, Minnesota
> >>>>> >> national
> >>>>> >> guard?s joint chief of staff. ?Their request is reviewed and must be
> >>>>> >> approved by leadership.?
> >>>>> >> [/quote]
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Mentioning this one because part of the butthurt from Chip?s
> >>>>> >> claimant
> >>>>> >> was
> >>>>> >> from a CSM who?s trying to claim that *he* didn?t approve Walz?s
> >>>>> >> retirement
> >>>>> >> papers.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Problem that that CSM has is that he doesn?t know his own damn job:
> >>>>> >> the
> >>>>> >> CSM is not directly a part of the chain of command. As such, he
> >>>>> >> utterly
> >>>>> >> lacks the authority he thinks he had to ?approve? the action.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> The CSM in the NCO Support Channel, not Chain of Command, serving as
> >>>>> >> a
> >>>>> >> facilitator and advocate for the Enlisted in effectively a
> >>>>> >> consultative
> >>>>> >> role to the Commander. Good Commanders listen carefully to what
> >>>>> >> their
> >>>>> >> CSM
> >>>>> >> says, but he is not under any obligation to follow said advice.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> <https://www.armystudyguide.com/content/Prep_For_Basic_Training/Prep_for_basic_general_information/chain-of-command-nco-supp.shtml>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> -hh
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > He still lied.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> About what? When? Proof?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> He said he carried an M-16 in Iraq. There were no M-16s in Iraq.
> >>>
> >>>Actually at the start of the conflict the M16A2 was pretty much standard
> >>>issue, and was only replaced later with the M4/M4A which is just an M16
> >>>with
> >>>a shorter and then made later a heavier short barrel.
> >>>
> >>>So, yea, I think some ground pounder in Iraq could easily say they carried
> >>>an M16 during that conflict and it would be totally truthful.
> >>>
> >>>Certainly gun grabbing Democrats would never be able to tell the
> >>>difference.
> >>>
> >>
> >> You may have missed the challenge to Skeeter's claim.
> >>
> >> Walz never claimed to have carried an M16.
> >
> >And just like that, Rudy attempts to revise Usenet history....
> >
> >
>
> First, you know I'm not Rudy, second, you can't prove he ever said he carried an
> M16.
>
> If you believe otherwise, produce the Walz quote.

I know what I heard. He lied about his rank too.

In article <va8u4k$p71u$1@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:66c7f019$0$2754$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <va8pdq$oj7l$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote in
> >> news:va7rg1$grrb$1@dont-email.me:
> >>
> >> > On 8/22/2024 10:29 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> >> >> Where do you think Putin would attack Europe next if we don't stop
> >> >> his imperial ambitions in Ukraine?
> >> >
> >> > Nowhere, he's not going to attack his best customers.
> >> >
> >> > https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/17/infographic-how-much-of-you
> >> > r-c ountrys-gas-comes-from-russia-interactive
> >> >
> >> > In 2021, European imports of gas from Russia were more than 380
> >> > million cubic metres (mcm) per day via pipeline, totalling about
> >> > 140 bcm for the year, according to the IEA. An additional 15 bcm
> >> > was delivered in liquified natural gas (LNG) form. Russia accounted
> >> > for about 45 percent of the EUâ??s gas imports and 40 percent of
> >> > its entire gas consumption.
> >> >
> >>
> >> =============
> >> During a discussion on Russian state TV, the Major-General called on
> >> Putin to correct a "historical mistake" made by Lenin and Stalin.
> >>
> >> He said the Kremlin should seize control of Narva in Estonia,
> >> Klaipeda in Lithuania and Daugavpils in Latvia.
> >>
> >> https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/138749/putin-russia-invade
> >> - nato-states
> >>
> >> ==============
> >> After Ukraine, the Kremlin's next targets could be Moldova and the
> >> Baltic countries, Belgian army chief Michel Hofman has warned.
> >>
> >> Russia has "already shown that they have the will to attack a
> >> neighbor," Hofman told Belgian news outlet VRT while visiting Belgian
> >> soldiers stationed in Romania. Russian President Vladimir Putin's
> >> language "is always ambiguous. It is absolutely possible that they
> >> will also have other ideas later. Either in the south in Moldova or
> >> the Baltic states," he said.
> >>
> >> https://www.politico.eu/article/belgian-army-chief-hofman-putin-attack
> >> - after-ukraine-baltics-moldova-next-russia/
> >
> > Who cares?
> >
>
> Obviously the free people in Europe - but you clearly don't care about
> freedom.

I don't care about Europe.

In article <nrufcjdqld25535mit1v9gjf59u26ki888@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 14:46:37 -0700, "max headroom" wrote:
>
> >Governor Swill typed:
> >> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 08:30:19 -0500, "Scout" wrote:
> >>> So, yea, I think some ground pounder in Iraq could easily say they carried
> >>> an M16 during that conflict and it would be totally truthful.
> >>> Certainly gun grabbing Democrats would never be able to tell the difference.
>
> >> You may have missed the challenge to Skeeter's claim.
>
> >> Walz never claimed to have carried an M16.
> >
> >He claimed it was an AR15, didn't he?
>
>
> No.
>
> If you don't know what he *actually* said, why are you criticizing him for
> saying it?

He never carried a weapon in a combat zone.

In article <qivfcj984qaqordp5fl46ejk2uirgn5i5n@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:52:28 -0500, "Scout"
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
> >Meanwhile, I acknowledge your inability to answer my question and instead
> >your lame attempts to change the subject
>
> And I acknowledge your desire to circumvent the Constitution by supporting an
> autocrat who would gut our freedoms so you can have extra.

What freedoms would be gutted?

In article <3b1gcj9q32p0aojjk6tn1j2tosb9c4omcc@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 14:36:05 -0700, "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In news:q25fcjdokubeke0gp89bf8mddk4ngf4sae@4ax.com, X, formerly known as
> >"!Jones" <x@y.com> typed:
> >
> >> If you have a medical emergency, stop reading, log off, and dial 911!
> >
> >> I'm not speaking from personal knowledge because *I* didn't retire
> >> from the military; however, it is my understanding that one submits a
> >> *request* to retire that may either be approved or denied by the
> >> command.
> >
> >> Methinks y'all are wasting your time with the "swift-boat" crap. That
> >> worked with Kerry because he took an oblique swipe at Bush's service
> >> (such as it was) in the Alabama Air National Guard and touted his own
> >> medals (which he had thrown away in front of a national TV camera crew
> >> a few years earlier.) Kerry was *not* a favorite of the Vietnam
> >> Veterans!
> >
> >> Today, the Donald was an *obvious* draft dodger during the Vietnam War
> >> and Walz has never touted any specific heroics... you're wasting your
> >> time. You won't find a great audiance willing to hit their "like"
> >> buttons because Walz is well respected in military circles... *most*
> >> will tend to vote for him...
> >
> >... Jones claims, without a shred of evidence.
> >
>
> ... you hope, because Trump smells like fear.

Only to you indoctrinated cupcakes.

In article <nm1gcjdmb648ga9bojqgl7mor05tfl53g4@4ax.com>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>
> Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >[...] Trump smells like fear.
>
>
> Tim Walz is all about transgender, and Kamala will start WWIII,
> according to DJT. Inflation will stop having gone back down, because
> we failed to elect Elon Musk's candidate. *FUCK THAT*. Blue wave, we
> win, game over. Welcome to Century 21.

I will poke fun at you when the recession starts.

"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:qivfcj984qaqordp5fl46ejk2uirgn5i5n@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:52:28 -0500, "Scout"
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>Meanwhile, I acknowledge your inability to answer my question and instead
>>your lame attempts to change the subject

And Swill refuses to even reconsider

> And I acknowledge your desire to circumvent the Constitution by supporting
> an
> autocrat who would gut our freedoms so you can have extra.

How exactly are you suggesting that I am circumventing the Constitution?
How exactly are you suggesting that Trump could "gut our freedoms"?
How would that somehow give me "extra" whatever?

Please feel free to elaborate.

Meanwhile Biden and Kamala refuse to enforce federal law against illegal
border entry. They encourage people to ignore our laws. Then redirect public
funds to support such criminals in their crimes.

Is that the sort of Constitutional circumvention you might be suggesting?

"Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
news:66c87ce1$1$5642$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> In article <qivfcj984qaqordp5fl46ejk2uirgn5i5n@4ax.com>,
> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:52:28 -0500, "Scout"
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Meanwhile, I acknowledge your inability to answer my question and
>> >instead
>> >your lame attempts to change the subject
>>
>> And I acknowledge your desire to circumvent the Constitution by
>> supporting an
>> autocrat who would gut our freedoms so you can have extra.
>
> What freedoms would be gutted?

I don't think anyone expects Rudy to come up with a rational response....

"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cmvfcj161ad5u1k3sk4dua3dno2mec69ig@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:59:11 -0500, "Scout"
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>> It is to the MAGAs. They've been going on endlessly about it though the
>>> don't
>>> seem to keen to discuss five times draft dodging Cadet Bonespurs.
>>
>>Do you mean Joe Biden? I thought it was for his mythical asthma....
>>You know the Lifeguard/Football player?
>>
>>Add how you made no mention of this during Biden's campaigns...
>
> That you would consider that the equivalent of Cadet Bonespurs tells much
> about
> you.

That you ignore it, tells us all we need to know about you.

If it's wrong, then both were wrong. You can't have it both ways.

"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:aovfcjhp9jua9o5lk19av75icqpemf25on@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 13:07:42 -0500, "Scout" wrote:
>>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 08:20:47 -0500, "Scout" wrote:
>>>
>>>>> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/5/us-senate-unveils-118bn-deal-on-border-aid-for-israel-and-ukraine
>>>>>
>>>>> The United States Senate has unveiled a $118bn bipartisan deal that
>>>>> would
>>>>> boost border security and provide wartime aid for Israel and Ukraine.
>>>>
>>>>So to be clear.. Rudy thinks we should send $118 Billion dollars.. just
>>>>so
>>>>that a mere $20.23 Billion (17% ) gets spent here in America where it
>>>>will
>>>>actually help Americans?
>>>
>>> The vast majority of that money will never leave the country.
>>
>>So you claim.. but let's assume that's true.. what they buy with that
>>money
>>certainly will....
>
> Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Says the person who is intentionally and deliberately obtuse on a regular
basis.

> Who else are they going to buy Bradlies
> from?

Armored personal carriers are available from any number of sources.. and you
make my point for me.. why should we pay them to do so?
After all, with housing issues, over taxation, increasing poverty, etc seems
to me that money would be better spent on our OWN needs, or <gasp> left in
the hands of the people to use for their own wants and needs.

> Patriot ammo?

Is the ammo painted red, white and blue?

> Look at the list of weapons they're using. Most of them
> are ours.

Actually most of them are Russian, we paid to give them some of ours, but
again what benefit is that to the American taxpayer?

> And what doesn't come back here, gets spent in Europe.

So much for the money coming back to America then....

> Whining about
> that is like whining that your brother just got a raise.

If my bother got a raise cool.. but if you took the money I earned in order
to give it to my brother... then I think even you could see the problem with
that.

"X, formerly known as "!Jones"" <x@y.com> wrote in message
news:q25fcjdokubeke0gp89bf8mddk4ngf4sae@4ax.com...
> If you have a medical emergency, stop reading, log off, and dial 911!
>
> I'm not speaking from personal knowledge because *I* didn't retire
> from the military; however, it is my understanding that one submits a
> *request* to retire that may either be approved or denied by the
> command.

Depends, when your enlistment is up.. you don't need any special permission.

Now the command CAN hold you over if needed, but that's a different issue,
and usually requires that you be actively deployed or in the immediate
process of deploying.. not some vague 'well we might be deployed sometime in
the future'.

Actually almost happened to me... as Desert Shield was ramping to Desert
Storm.. Command said I might no be able to be discharged based on need. I
say "Ok". Turned out I was still discharged on time, but I didn't HAVE to
ask.. rather the discharge was automatic UNLESS countermanded by Command.

Did Command countermand his discharge? No. Then it wasn't an issue.

"max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message
news:va8c20$j60a$3@dont-email.me...
> In news:q25fcjdokubeke0gp89bf8mddk4ngf4sae@4ax.com, X, formerly known as
> "!Jones" <x@y.com> typed:
>
>> If you have a medical emergency, stop reading, log off, and dial 911!
>
>> I'm not speaking from personal knowledge because *I* didn't retire
>> from the military; however, it is my understanding that one submits a
>> *request* to retire that may either be approved or denied by the
>> command.
>
>> Methinks y'all are wasting your time with the "swift-boat" crap. That
>> worked with Kerry because he took an oblique swipe at Bush's service
>> (such as it was) in the Alabama Air National Guard and touted his own
>> medals (which he had thrown away in front of a national TV camera crew
>> a few years earlier.) Kerry was *not* a favorite of the Vietnam
>> Veterans!
>
>> Today, the Donald was an *obvious* draft dodger during the Vietnam War
>> and Walz has never touted any specific heroics... you're wasting your
>> time. You won't find a great audiance willing to hit their "like"
>> buttons because Walz is well respected in military circles... *most*
>> will tend to vote for him...
>
> ... Jones claims, without a shred of evidence.

I would note that by Jones' standards.. so was Joe Biden and his magical
asthma that managed to not keep him from regular and strenuous activities. \

Further I would make the observation that anyone with half a brain cell was
trying to avoid that cluster fuck called the Vietnam Conflict, as it was
never officially a war under the Constitution.. a fact that caused no end of
problems for vets from that action having their claims denied because it
wasn't an official war, and as such weren't allowed the services provided to
veterans of war. Of course, eventually government provided the benefits as
if it were a war much much too late for many of those vets.