On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 06:30:30 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> That said, neither CoolEdit or JOE are "new" applications. JOE was first
> released on August 22, 1992 and CoolEdit was originally part of Midnight
> Commander file utility, originally named "mcedit." Not sure when mcedit
> first came out, but Midnight Commander (mc) was first released in 1994.
> I think I read that mcedit, itself, came out in 1998. I don't know
> what's changed since then or how it got the CoolEdit name — or what
> features were added over the years. But CoolEdit's origin is not new.

Trivia: Midnight Commander was a clone of Norton Commander by Miguel de
Icaza.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton_Commander

To go full circle my project when I started using DJGPP was porting mc
back to Windows. The basic functionality wasn't too difficult but ftp and
other network operations were.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJGPP

Corinna Vinschen of Cygwin and Mumit Khan of MinGW grew from DJGPP with
separate philosophies. Cygwin wanted to replicate a Linix environment of
Windows while MinGW uses Linux tools to build native Windows applications.

On Tue, 01 Oct 2024 08:52:02 -0400, Joel wrote:

> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>
>>[Allegedly,] I'm a racist for noticing that Haitian drivers here in
>>Montreal always drive 20km/h slower than the maximum limit, that they
>>don't watch where they're going, that they stop for no reason when there
>>is no traffic in front of them, that they are generally lazy in a
>>classroom,
>>that they don't understand even the most basic of instructions etc..
>
>
> You are projecting Caucasian North American values onto another culture,
> arbitrarily, out of a secret agenda to discredit them as people, if that
> isn't racism, well, what do we say is racism?

If they can't conform to the prevailing culture perhaps they should return
to the culture they left, if it can be called a culture. Haiti has hardly
been a paradise since they killed off the whites in 17 whenever. Even
their neighbors on the island, the Dominican Republic, don't want them.

Funny how that works. Zimbabwe is the 20th century example of vibrant
black culture.

On 10/1/2024 11:06 AM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 10/1/2024 12:06 AM, Joel wrote:
>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>> On 9/30/2024 3:35 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> the day can’t be far off before WSL2 becomes a mandatory part>>> of
>> a Dimdows install.
>>>>
>>>> Keep hope alive!
>>>
>>> Microsoft Windows on a computer you keep a long time,
>>
>> I ran my last system ~12 years. Same mobo and case and power supply,
>> but upgraded the RAM and video card and storage and monitor.
>
>
> And with Linux, that box would still be like new.

nah... it was fully depreciated the minute you flooded it with GuhNoo
crapware.

Put 2 computers on eBay: one with Linux and one with Windows (price the
Windows system to account for the license). See which one sells first.

>>> depending on that arbitrary, aging version,
>>
>> meaningless babble
>>
>> Keep this in mind: most of the world will use desktop Windows their
>> entire lives.
>
>
> Speaking of "meaningless", "most of the world" isn't motivated to know
> about the alternative.

That's one of the common excuses. It's probably true that lots of
people don't care about the OS - as long as it's Windows and will open
and run their work files, they're fine.

>>> until your computer finally blows its brains out.
>>
>> ha! So far my Windows systems exhibit no suicidal ideation.
>
>
> And yet you did finally replace it, to get Win11.

No. The mobo died after 12 years.

So I got a new motherboard, CPU and RAM, and put Win10 on it for a time.
Then Win11 not long after it came out.

>>> I choose Linux.
>>
>> And Wine to run Windows apps.
>
>
> Very selected, minor ones.

minor? They were your 2 favorite apps.

Have you actually embraced Linux/FOSS yet? Or are you still clinging to
that superior proprietary code?

>> I'm just not close to being willing to give up MS Office, Notepad++,
>> SumatraPDF and other apps in exchange for the Linux alternatives. FML
>> if I was ever forced to use LibreOffice and Thunar every day - that is
>> some seriously craptastic software.
>
>
> You would put up with Win11

Win11 is peachy. VERY trouble free. Only problem I've had is with
Windows Update (and it's not very obtrusive).

Security Update for Windows (KB5041585)
Failed to install on 8/25/2024 - 0x800f0922

That failure has been happening for a month at least. And now it says:

https://imgur.com/a/tmUHWJt

There's no excuse.

> Copilot for that shit? Christ.

CoPilot is optional. But with GuhNoo, you can't escape the hobby slime.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>>> Microsoft Windows on a computer you keep a long time,
>>>
>>> I ran my last system ~12 years. Same mobo and case and power supply,
>>> but upgraded the RAM and video card and storage and monitor.
>>
>> And with Linux, that box would still be like new.
>
>nah... it was fully depreciated the minute you flooded it with GuhNoo
>crapware.
>
>Put 2 computers on eBay: one with Linux and one with Windows (price the
>Windows system to account for the license). See which one sells first.

Microsoft spares no expense in making Winblows easy to use. A
hardcore PC user knows to avoid that bloat.

>>>> depending on that arbitrary, aging version,
>>>
>>> meaningless babble
>>>
>>> Keep this in mind: most of the world will use desktop Windows their
>>> entire lives.
>>
>> Speaking of "meaningless", "most of the world" isn't motivated to know
>> about the alternative.
>
>That's one of the common excuses. It's probably true that lots of
>people don't care about the OS - as long as it's Windows and will open
>and run their work files, they're fine.

And you would judge what's best, based on them?

>>>> until your computer finally blows its brains out.
>>>
>>> ha! So far my Windows systems exhibit no suicidal ideation.
>>
>> And yet you did finally replace it, to get Win11.
>
>No. The mobo died after 12 years.
>
>So I got a new motherboard, CPU and RAM, and put Win10 on it for a time.
> Then Win11 not long after it came out.

It's quite possible that the motherboard would've had a longer life
with Linux, although you didn't do too bad, admittedly.

>>>> I choose Linux.
>>>
>>> And Wine to run Windows apps.
>>
>> Very selected, minor ones.
>
>minor? They were your 2 favorite apps.

Agent probably is my favorite app, yeah, but it's still *one* app. I'm
using mIRC more like an IRC bot, now, using IRCCloud for my primary
connection on both devices.

>Have you actually embraced Linux/FOSS yet? Or are you still clinging to
>that superior proprietary code?

I run plenty of native Linux software.

>>> I'm just not close to being willing to give up MS Office, Notepad++,
>>> SumatraPDF and other apps in exchange for the Linux alternatives. FML
>>> if I was ever forced to use LibreOffice and Thunar every day - that is
>>> some seriously craptastic software.
>>
>> You would put up with Win11
>
>Win11 is peachy. VERY trouble free. Only problem I've had is with
>Windows Update (and it's not very obtrusive).
>
>Security Update for Windows (KB5041585)
>Failed to install on 8/25/2024 - 0x800f0922
>
>That failure has been happening for a month at least. And now it says:
>
>https://imgur.com/a/tmUHWJt
>
>There's no excuse.

That's M$ proprietary crapware, for you.

> > Copilot for that shit? Christ.
>
>CoPilot is optional. But with GuhNoo, you can't escape the hobby slime.

You can turn Copilot off, sure, but they are making it the new name of
the OS, basically. I say, jump ship.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-10-01 2:26 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Oct 2024 08:52:02 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>
>>> [Allegedly,] I'm a racist for noticing that Haitian drivers here in
>>> Montreal always drive 20km/h slower than the maximum limit, that they
>>> don't watch where they're going, that they stop for no reason when there
>>> is no traffic in front of them, that they are generally lazy in a
>>> classroom,
>>> that they don't understand even the most basic of instructions etc..
>>
>>
>> You are projecting Caucasian North American values onto another culture,
>> arbitrarily, out of a secret agenda to discredit them as people, if that
>> isn't racism, well, what do we say is racism?
>
> If they can't conform to the prevailing culture perhaps they should return
> to the culture they left, if it can be called a culture. Haiti has hardly
> been a paradise since they killed off the whites in 17 whenever. Even
> their neighbors on the island, the Dominican Republic, don't want them.
>
> Funny how that works. Zimbabwe is the 20th century example of vibrant
> black culture.

When Haiti murdered the Whites in mass, it turned into a shithole where
they are all killing each other when they are not starving. We're told
we should pity them after what they did to us.

When Rhodesia kicked out the Whites who turned a piece of land which was
sparsely populated into an absolute paradise where even niggers could
have a nice home, their economy fell apart and they began to starve
because they are all too lazy or dumb to work the land. Their solution
was to invite Whites back in, beg them to return and finally pay them to
return... anything but actually learn how to work the land and do the
labour. We're told that we should pity them after what they did to us.

When South Africa got rid of Apartheid, the social fabric fell apart and
crime skyrocketed. Unsurprisingly, the niggers blamed Whites and decided
to murder them in mass. Now, they are starving and people are
discouraged from traveling. Naturally, we're told that we should pity
them after we did to us and that their problems were caused by climate
change, not their own stupidity.

Fuck niggers. Fuck them all.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-10-01 4:33 p.m., DFS wrote:
> On 10/1/2024 11:06 AM, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/1/2024 12:06 AM, Joel wrote:
>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/30/2024 3:35 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the day can’t be far off before WSL2 becomes a mandatory part>>> of
>>> a Dimdows install.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep hope alive!
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft Windows on a computer you keep a long time,
>>>
>>> I ran my last system ~12 years.  Same mobo and case and power supply,
>>> but upgraded the RAM and video card and storage and monitor.
>>
>>
>> And with Linux, that box would still be like new.
>
> nah... it was fully depreciated the minute you flooded it with GuhNoo
> crapware.
>
> Put 2 computers on eBay: one with Linux and one with Windows (price the
> Windows system to account for the license).  See which one sells first.
>
>
>
>>>> depending on that arbitrary, aging version,
>>>
>>> meaningless babble
>>>
>>> Keep this in mind: most of the world will use desktop Windows their
>>> entire lives.
>>
>>
>> Speaking of "meaningless", "most of the world" isn't motivated to know
>> about the alternative.
>
> That's one of the common excuses.  It's probably true that lots of
> people don't care about the OS - as long as it's Windows and will open
> and run their work files, they're fine.
>
>
>>>> until your computer finally blows its brains out.
>>>
>>> ha!  So far my Windows systems exhibit no suicidal ideation.
>>
>>
>> And yet you did finally replace it, to get Win11.
>
> No.  The mobo died after 12 years.
>
> So I got a new motherboard, CPU and RAM, and put Win10 on it for a time.
>  Then Win11 not long after it came out.
>
>
>>>> I choose Linux.
>>>
>>> And Wine to run Windows apps.
>>
>>
>> Very selected, minor ones.
>
> minor?  They were your 2 favorite apps.
>
> Have you actually embraced Linux/FOSS yet?  Or are you still clinging to
> that superior proprietary code?
>
>
>
>>> I'm just not close to being willing to give up MS Office, Notepad++,
>>> SumatraPDF and other apps in exchange for the Linux alternatives.  FML
>>> if I was ever forced to use LibreOffice and Thunar every day - that is
>>> some seriously craptastic software.
>>
>>
>> You would put up with Win11
>
> Win11 is peachy.  VERY trouble free.  Only problem I've had is with
> Windows Update (and it's not very obtrusive).
>
> Security Update for Windows (KB5041585)
> Failed to install on 8/25/2024 - 0x800f0922
>
> That failure has been happening for a month at least.  And now it says:
>
> https://imgur.com/a/tmUHWJt
>
> There's no excuse.

Open up CMD as an administrator, run sfc /scannow and then dism /online
/cleanup-image /scanhealth. If it finds errors, replace the last part
with /restorehealth.

I doubt a reinstallation will be necessary.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 16:33:58 -0400, DFS wrote:

> That's one of the common excuses. It's probably true that lots of
> people don't care about the OS - as long as it's Windows and will open
> and run their work files, they're fine.

The problem is when it's Windows and can't even open itself.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/01/microsoft_kb5043145_rollback/?
td=rt-3a

On 10/1/2024 12:00 AM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>>> There's medication you can take for OCD, you know.
>>>
>>> There are drugs that make one more obsessive than a diagnosed OCD
>>> person.
>>
>> I'm sure.
>>
>> You've used meth, right? Can you describe what it feels like? What do
>> you do and think about while you're high on it?
>
>
> I have snorted strong, hydrochloride crystal meth, once. I basically
> was unable to eat or sleep for three days.

Yikes.

The strongest drug I tried was LSD. Truly mind-blowing. One tab on my
tongue and a while later I had vivid visual hallucinations for the next
couple hours. It kept me awake for some hours, not days.

Overall I didn't enjoy it, and never tried it again.

> The high lasted part of
> the first day. Stay away from this Satanic crap. Red Bull, Full
> Throttle and Mtn Dew Kickstart Orange exist.

I haven't touched a recreational drug since 1980 or so, and only had a
few energy drinks in my life. I do love Mt Dew and Dr Pepper, though.

>>> To me, vallor's observation of RAM use is normal. Maybe you
>>> trust Copilot+ to handle that for you.
>>
>> I was referring to his obsession with installing new Linux kernels every
>> time he changes his underwear.
>
>
> He's "advocating Linux", dude. The great control he has even as a
> Mint user.

He's just bored. Linux is a tinkertoy for adult geeks.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>>> To me, vallor's observation of RAM use is normal. Maybe you
>>>> trust Copilot+ to handle that for you.
>>>
>>> I was referring to his obsession with installing new Linux kernels every
>>> time he changes his underwear.
>>
>> He's "advocating Linux", dude. The great control he has even as a
>> Mint user.
>
>He's just bored. Linux is a tinkertoy for adult geeks.

You think NT can't be one? How do you think Relf controlled his Win10
updating? How do you think Mark Russinovich started a business to
document Microsoft's internals, that they bought out and named
Sysinternals, hiring him as a tenured resource, he released a
presentation on video in the time of Win7 where he demonstrates MinWin
and talks about OS core matters as an official act for MS.

Reverse-engineering is just par for the course.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 23:41:39 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 9/30/2024 3:35 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 19:01:58 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> In WSL, on the other hand:
>>
>> Judging from your example of a diehard Dimdows fanatic who can no
>> longer get through their day
>
> "his" day. Never ever call me a "they", bozo ...

Dimdows user *and* insecure in his/her/their/its sexuality. Or religion.
Or something.

Do the two go together?

Answers on a postcard, please.

On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 09:40:21 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Keep this in mind: most of the world will use desktop Windows their
> entire lives.

No they won’t. Judging from the numbers, most of the world have never
heard of Microsoft Windows, and likely never will.

On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 16:33:58 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Put 2 computers on eBay: one with Linux and one with Windows (price the
> Windows system to account for the license).

Full retail or OEM Dimdows licence? I don’t think you’re allowed to resell
the latter.

On 30 Sep 2024 19:02:29 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> I grew up in an area where straight roads were an exception and many
> of them were dirt.

Yes, but we don’t call that “sports car racing”, we call that “rallying”.

> Shelby did get around though. He drove Aston-Martins, Ferraris, and
> Maseratis in a number of venues including LeMans, Sebring, and even the
> New Zealand Grand Prix.

Given that all the brands you mention are European, that kind of proves my
point.

On 1 Oct 2024 18:20:33 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> Corinna Vinschen of Cygwin and Mumit Khan of MinGW grew from DJGPP with
> separate philosophies. Cygwin wanted to replicate a Linix environment of
> Windows while MinGW uses Linux tools to build native Windows
> applications.

Fun fact: Cygwin seems to have done a better job of replicating the Linux
API on Windows than WSL1 was able to manage. Item: it is able to support
select/poll on pipes, which native Windows still cannot do.

On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 21:03:23 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> When Haiti murdered the Whites [en masse] ...

Because of course they just woke up one morning and decided “let’s
massacre us some whites”, did they?

Looking at the history of Haiti, it’s quite clear that when they declared
independence (and freed themselves from slavery) in the 1790s, the good
ole US-of-A was not mightily pleased to see a bunch of uppity black folk
practically on their doorstep, who might give their own slaves ideas about
wanting their own freedom.

Guess how the US responded ...

DFS wrote this post; take it under advisement:

> <snip>
>
> "his" day. Never ever call me a "they", bozo, or I'll ...

Looks like they is mad. :-D

> <snip>

--
The only thing that experience teaches us is that experience teaches us nothing.
-- Andre Maurois (Emile Herzog)

On 10/4/2024 3:10 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 09:40:21 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> It's a[n app] issue, not a Windows issue.
>
> Funny, isn’t it: when they try to sing the praises of Dimdows, the apps
> that are supposed to be available play a big part in that. But when you
> point out the lack of apps in particular areas, suddenly that cannot be
> the fault of Dimdows.

Another ignorant Larry Duh reply.

'lack of apps in particular areas'... heh! The willful ignorance is
astounding.

Just for downloading full or partial websites alone there are no less
than 15 Windows apps. Fifteen.

https://prowebscraper.com/blog/top-website-ripper-or-website-downloader-compared/

Linux can't compete.

I used to use HTTrack on Windows, and various browser extensions.

I tried wget a few years ago (I remember first using it on Linux to get
all the LFS base files). I like it's sparseness.

$ wget -r -np url

boom!

On 10/4/2024 3:08 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 23:41:39 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 9/30/2024 3:35 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 19:01:58 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> In WSL, on the other hand:
>>>
>>> Judging from your example of a diehard Dimdows fanatic who can no
>>> longer get through their day
>>
>> "his" day. Never ever call me a "they", bozo ...
>
> Dimdows user *and* insecure in his/her/their/its sexuality. Or religion.
> Or something.
>
> Do the two go together?
>
> Answers on a postcard, please.

Transgenderism is a mental defect I'm not afflicted with.

Le 29-09-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>
>>> Free hint, I'm here because of Linux, politics, and to keep Usenet
>>> relevant, not to please un-modern people who might even be a majority,
>>> here.
>>
>>You keep claiming you are modernizing usenet, but never bring any
>>argument explaining why your way is modern. Apart from imposing your
>>ugly tastes to others because you want to, your way does nothing.
>
> You find clicking an Imgur link

Fist things first: I. Don't. Click.

I'm using a keyboard oriented reader in a keyboard oriented terminal to
display text only information. And I let FR/DG/NV/LP/whatever using his
mouse when saying the keyboard is better. I'm using my keyboard when
saying my keyboard is better. At the same time my terminal and my reader
provide me shortcuts to open some links in my browser more efficiently
than using my mouse.

Now to answer the question everyone has already answered when you
refused to listen considering pissing off everyone is not a problem if
you feel good about it.

> burdensome?

Of course it is. How can you consider having a message split in two
applications not burdensome? It requires actions and it's distracting.
That's why I didn't opened you last links because it was easier for me
to consider them uninteresting than to lose time and I didn't need to
have a proof they are uninteresting. Your way to display them was
enough.

If you prefer to do a screenshot than a copy/past, good for you. It's a
strong indicator you don't want me to read it. So I don't. It's that
easy: you do what you want and I do what I want. Nothing more, nothing
less. As I said when you consider I failed: you choose if you want me to
read you or not. It's not a big deal. You don't want me to read you?
Good, I don't.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Le 30-09-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
> On 29 Sep 2024 13:06:56 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> ... the main reason behind vim and Emacs is to avoid the mouse. So the
>> GUI is useless.
>
> Can’t speak for vim (Which vim? There are so many of them),

You repeat the same stupidity again and again. It doesn't make it right.

> but Emacs certainly can make use of a GUI.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you can avoid the mouse. It's not
related with the fact that you can you a mouse.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 07:14:17 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 30 Sep 2024 19:02:29 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> I grew up in an area where straight roads were an exception and many of
>> them were dirt.
>
> Yes, but we don’t call that “sports car racing”, we call that
> “rallying”.

Yes, and I participated in rallies a couple of times. The ΣΑΕ fraternity
at RPI ran one each year. I had sort of an unfair advantage since I knew
every cow path in the county, unlike the students from elsewhere.

Also, I drove a '60 Plymouth that had plenty of room for friends and
refreshments compared to a cramped little MGB. The fins added stability at
speeds over 150 mph :)

Sports car racing was a separate category.

https://limerock.com/events/scca-new-england-region/

My lab partner's friend campaigned a Lotus Super 7 with a Cosworth engine
and I served on the pit crew a couple of times.

Of course we also had Watkins Glen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watkins_Glen_International

I went to one Grand Prix. I found it rather boring compared to 1/4 mile
dirt track stock car racing.

https://www.classiccarcatalogue.com/PLYMOUTH_1960.html

>> Shelby did get around though. He drove Aston-Martins, Ferraris, and
>> Maseratis in a number of venues including LeMans, Sebring, and even the
>> New Zealand Grand Prix.
>
> Given that all the brands you mention are European, that kind of proves
> my point.

Shelby took what he learned from the Europeans, improved on it, and kicked
European ass. That pattern is rather typical.

Le 30-09-2024, Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> a écrit :
> I've been hesitant to get involved here because of all the non-constructive back
> and forth going on about the Cooledit program. But I'll just leave this here..

There is almost no use to repeat a full message. On almost use is as my
FAI doesn't provide me every message I miss things. It's not a big deal
because there's a lot of garbage here. But from time to time, I miss
something. Like the message the OP answered you. But, I'll answer only
here.

> If the software does nothing innovative to solve a problem that exists
> that isn't already solved with other software already on the market
> then as far as I'm concerned, whats the point?

As far as you are concerned, I understand and I have nothing against
that. Now, for others looking for a software, there are, at least, three
things that can be considered.

First, it's availability. You don't want to change your OS with each
software you want to use. So, if it's not a concern for you, it can be a
valid concerned for others.

Second, it's licence. Some don't care about the license others do. So if
a software is valid under a license you don't like, switching to
another software doing the same things under a license you like can be a
valid point. I'm mean license in a very broad way. For example a licence
provided by Oracle is bad even if it looks good can they can switch the
license without warning. They already did it, they can do it again, they
are not the only one. Or a software provided by Sony should be avoided
at all cost because having already put some rootkit they are not
trustworthy.

Third One can try another software for inspiration. The software can
have a good inspiring thing one could either bring it to his favorite
software or find a way to use his favorite software in a way he didn't
considered before.

Now, for a developer point of view, there is no better way to improve
than doing by oneself what others already did. It doesn't mean others
should use those software but it mean the developer is right of doing
it.

> Now I haven't looked at Cooledit myself but I would have to ask what
> exact technological issue is Cooledit solving that other software does
> not already solve?

The main issue here is you won't find answer here. Either you do it by
yourself or you go somewhere else hopping someone can answer you. But I
have nowhere to give you.

The fact is: the only one who pretends to know cooledit is the worst
aficionado you can find in the all world. He has already answered you
and you can judge by yourself.

I said "he pretends" because I'm not even sure he's using it as he
pretends so many things he doesn't know you can't never be sure about
his claims. The only thing you can be sure about, he proved it many
times, is: he knows nothing and can only copy past non understood things
he found on Internet.

> These are two questions I always ask everyone that comes to me (at work) with a
> new concept, idea, or finished program/product. What problem is it trying to
> solve and what are it's shortcomings. Answer those before you try to sell
> someone on a new product, service, or software. It will help you in the long
> run.

I fully understand that in a professional context. In the open source,
one can have other motivations.

> Hopefully this is coming as a constructive reply to that conversation

This is, that's why I did answered it seriously.

> I chose not to include all the back and forth conversations in this
> thread on my reply because

It would have been a mistake. There would have been to many already read
messages and your answer would have been difficult to find. For what
it's worth, I wouldn't have found it. I would have switch to another
message well before. So now, depending on your liking of my answer, you
can judge if you where right or wrong.

> it's just not constructive with name calling on both sides

Agreed. I very rarely rely on mere insults either. As Joseph JOUBERT
said: « Le but de la discussion ne doit pas être la victoire mais
l'amélioration. » Which could be translated in English in something like
"The purpose of the discussion shouldn't be the victory but the
improvement."

OK, sometimes, it looks like I do this with the OP, but it's a little
bit different. He's a pet dog which needs some stick thrown from time to
time for him to fetch. But as one can't have a serious discussion with
the OP, the only possibilities are either to ignore him or have fun with
him.

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On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 07:22:32 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> Looking at the history of Haiti, it’s quite clear that when they
> declared independence (and freed themselves from slavery) in the 1790s,
> the good ole US-of-A was not mightily pleased to see a bunch of uppity
> black folk practically on their doorstep, who might give their own
> slaves ideas about wanting their own freedom.

You are avoiding the point. They freed themselves from slavery and built a
black paradise second only to Wakanda. In Stan Lee's world of comic books.

Having freed themselves from privileged white supremacists, what's the
problem? Why is it suck a festering sore that even the DR doesn't want
Haitians?

On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 08:05:58 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> DFS wrote this post; take it under advisement:
>
>> <snip>
>>
>> "his" day. Never ever call me a "they", bozo, or I'll ...
>
> Looks like they is mad. :-D
>
>> <snip>

Apart from the cultural war I hate that use of 'they'. You're reading
along and until you get the context you're not sure if the author is
talking about multiple characters, a single character with multiple
personality disorder, or a single character of indeterminate sex.

Le 30-09-2024, Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> a écrit :
> In reply to "Lester Thorpe" who wrote the following:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 19:05:12 -0000 (UTC), Phillip Frabott wrote:
>>
>> > Now I haven't looked at Cooledit myself but I would have to ask what
>> > exact technological issue is Cooledit solving that other software does not
>> > already solve?
>>
>> It's a fucking text/programming editor. What major "innovations"
>> can any simple text/programming editor bring? Would you like it
>> to wash your soiled, shit-stained underwear as well. Idiot.
>>
>> You are obviously caught up in some bizarre and illusory idealism.
>>
>> Cooledit does the job. Furthermore, its GUI is dependent only
>> on X Window libraries and thus is immune to the GTK+/Qt bullshit.
>>
>> Actually, if one uses the Midnight Commander (MC) file manager, then one
>> is using basal cooledit because the MC edit uses the same code base.
>>
>> Cooledit is not perfect but it is FOSS and thus it depends on contributions
>> from the FOSS community.
>>
>> But it is quite apparent that you are just another GNU/Linux freeloader who
>> wants freedom, only as in beer, without giving anything in return.
>>
>> So fuck your idealism. Any program that does the job of existing programs
>> is certainly worthy of consideration.
>
> So to be clear the technological issue that Cooledit tries to solve is that
> other editors have a dependency on GTK/Qt and Cooledit doesn't. I'm
> understanding that correctly, yes?

That was exactly my point in my previous answer to your message: he has
no clue. If someone wants a text editor without any dependencies with
any graphical library, being GTK+/QT or another, there are a lot of
possibilities. A lot of text editors can be launched in a terminal.

> I can see that you've had a lot of people against you for Cooledit

No. Nobodies here knows cooledit. Nobody here cares about cooledit.
Everyone here is against him for being himself. Read his answer to you
again if you don't understand. I let it on purpose.

> as I can see at least 2 weeks of back and forth so I'm going to give
> you a pass on your argumentative reply.

If you really expect it you will be disappointed.

> I'm not trying to argue with you.

Good idea.

> I'm just wanting to understand the purpose of Cooledit and what would
> be the selling point of it for someone to choose it over something
> else.

You would have to ask to someone who use it. He's promoting it because
nobody knows about it and because it looks old which will be despised by
some here (I don't care aboot the look and feal of a text editor because
I don't need a mouse, so I can hide the menus and I don't see it's look
and feal).

> Not having to rely on GTK/Qt or any
> other X UI framework is a pretty good selling point.

Vim, Emacs, nano for a start. I hate nano but I don't care if others are
using it.

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