vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 05:19:34 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
><mo6ifjp2mijnbuvbg4joiavodk53a38nfh@4ax.com>:
>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>On 29 Sep 2024 08:17:03 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr>
>>>wrote in <66f90cff$0$3244$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:
>>>>
>>>> You do what you want, I don't care. It changes nothing at what I said.
>>>> The number of users of Joe in the Linux world is very tiny compared to
>>>> the number of users of Emacs and vim. It doesn't mean vim and Emacs
>>>> are better than JOE or cooledit. It means that cooledit and JOE are
>>>> far from the editors of choice of all Linux aficionados.
>>>
>>>Well sure. That's the great thing about Linux (and Unix in general):
>>>people can choose the tool of their choice to do whatever.
>>>
>>>Doesn't mean cooledit, or vim, or Emacs aren't fine editors themselves.
>>>Different strokes, and all that.
>>>
>>>I like chocolate ice cream, some folks like strawberry. There is no
>>>"one true ice cream", nor is there "one true editor"...all a matter of
>>>taste.
>>
>> Yet, you posted this:
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/fUXvwdR.png
>>
>> Isn't my use of images of text, "a matter of taste"?
>
>When Joel gets off his bender, someone let me know -- until
>then, he lives in the sin bin.

Oh "sin bin", like as if me using my brain makes me bad, go fuck
yourself, white devil, I'm standing up to the dumb 2024 Usenet
*incorrectness*.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> wrote:

>How many GNU/Linux users have even heard of cooledit? Not very many.
>Cooledit is not included in any distro, except maybe Mageia:
>
>http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=cooledit&submit=Search+...
>
>If cooledit were promoted a bit more it may gather a following.
>
>Unlike vim, emacs, and joe, cooledit is a graphical editor with a
>complete GUI interface.
>
>I try to promote cooledit but the narrow-minded, parochial imbeciles
>in this group will summarily reject it because it boggles their little
>minds.

Looks like a piece of shit, actually, get a fuckin' distro.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Lester Thorpe wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> <snip>
>
> How many GNU/Linux users have even heard of cooledit? Not very many.
> Cooledit is not included in any distro, except maybe Mageia:
>
> http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=cooledit&submit=Search+...
>
> If cooledit were promoted a bit more it may gather a following.
>
> Unlike vim, emacs, and joe, cooledit is a graphical editor with a
> complete GUI interface.
>
> I try to promote cooledit but the narrow-minded, parochial imbeciles
> in this group will summarily reject it because it boggles their little
> minds.

I remember Cooledit from years ago. It was an audio wave editor. Apparently
it became the basis for Adobe Audition.

--
If it's not in the computer, it doesn't exist.

Le 29-09-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> Yet, you posted this:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/fUXvwdR.png

As unlike your claim of using your brain about the subject, you refuse
to used your brain to understand what's explained to you, I'll answer
that just once.

For a start, I don't know what he posted and I don't care. When you sent
this message, did you want to be read and understood? If no, good job
keep going like this. If yes, you loose. I don't know what's behind your
link and I don't care. So if you want me to know it, you put text in
your message, not a screenshot of text. I do what I want and you do what
you want. So the mater is only about you wanting your arguments taking
into account or not. With your way, I don't know you argument, I don't
care about your argument and I'll still consider you being plain wrong
without any more argument.

So, it's your choice. I don't care. You are the one sending an unread
argument, you are the one loosing your time.

> Isn't my use of images of text, "a matter of taste"?

It's a broader issue than that. Some issues have been told, some I don't
know cause my FAI doesn't provide me every sent messages. I'll tell you,
this only time. You do what you want with it, I don't care. You are
completely wrong, you can stay like that.

First of all, the screenshot of a text has no added value compared with
the text directly displayed. So the screenshot brings nothing good to
the readers. Only bad things which I'll say.

The choice of a usenet reader is a matter of taste. Now, as usenet is a
text only media there is no need to have a graphical reader, so using a
terminal to run one is fine.

Now, your screenshot would require me either to change my reader or to
do an extra step to display it. I'm willing to do neither because I
don't see any reason for that. So you try to impose your taste on me and
it's just bad.

The choice of a usenet reader is a matter of taste, so I can chose a
reader which display the text in the way I like. With your screenshot,
you impose me to see the text in the way you like. So, you impose your
taste on me and it's still bad.

To look at your screenshot, I have to go on a website with my IP and
someone else can know what I do and when I do it. So it's bad for my
privacy, and, as there a direct link between the privacy and the
liberty, it's bad for my liberty too. So your way is, guess again: bad.

If I want to try to find an old text message, there are a lot of way to
do it in texts messages. To do it with your screenshot would be, not
impossible cause OCR exist, but very difficult. So it's still bad.

The screenshot takes more bytes than the text directly put. So it's a
waste of energy on purpose. You are polluting just for fun and there is
nothing good with that.

So when you are speaking about modernity, you are only trying to impose
your taste on the readers and it's not a good argument. There are some
times of a screenshot can be a good thing, when it's the same thing as
copying/pasting some text, there aren't. So you are just plain wrong in
every sense on the term. You can stay like that, it's your choice. Now
it will depend if you want your arguments to be taken into account or
not.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Le 29-09-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
>>>>> Le 22-09-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
>>>>>> Cooledit is the choice all GNU/Linux aficionados.
>
> How many GNU/Linux users have even heard of cooledit? Not very many.
> Cooledit is not included in any distro, except maybe Mageia:

OK, so you agree to say you were plain wrong when you said cooledit was
the editor of choice of all Linux aficionados. Good.

> If cooledit were promoted a bit more it may gather a following.

The issue is yu are the worst promoter in the world. And each single
time yu are trying to promote something you make it looks bad.

> Unlike vim, emacs, and joe, cooledit is a graphical editor with a
> complete GUI interface.

You see? I don't know about joe, but the main reason behind vim and
Emacs is to avoid the mouse. So the GUI is useless. There are some way
in which a mouse is a good way to use an application, but not in text
editors. In half of your messages you say that the GUI is for the inapt
users and you claim the GUI as a good thing in one of the few area it's
the easiest way to avoid the mouse you are promoting the GUI.

> I try to promote cooledit but the narrow-minded, parochial imbeciles
> in this group will summarily reject it because it boggles their little
> minds.

You promoting way is so bad that the only arguments you provide will
convince other who never heard about it to stay as far away of it as
possible.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

On 2024-09-29, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
> Le 29-09-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
>> On 2024-09-28, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>> Le 22-09-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
>>>> Cooledit is the choice all GNU/Linux aficionados.
>>>
>>> Nope. Vim and Emacs are the first choices. By far.
>>
>> JOE is the way to go... at least for me.
>
> You do what you want, I don't care. It changes nothing at what I said.
> The number of users of Joe in the Linux world is very tiny compared to
> the number of users of Emacs and vim. It doesn't mean vim and Emacs are
> better than JOE or cooledit. It means that cooledit and JOE are far from
> the editors of choice of all Linux aficionados.

Never said it changed anything. Just letting people know what editor I like
and that there are other choices besides vim and Emacs.

Choice is good. There is no "one size fits all."

I think I installed CoolEdit once, several years ago. For some reason
I didn't like it. That's about all I can remember about it.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-09-29, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
> Le 29-09-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
>
>> Unlike vim, emacs, and joe, cooledit is a graphical editor with a
>> complete GUI interface.

TO LESTER: And that's why I like JOE, it DOESN'T have a GUI interface and I
don't want one. I use the Jstar variation, which uses WordStar keystrokes
and keeps my hands on the keyboard's "home" keys, without moving to a mouse
or Function keys. Much faster and more efficient. If I want a GUI "editor"
I'll use a word processor. I also use WordStar 7.0d in DOSBox-X for the same
reason when I want to more easily format my document.

> You see? I don't know about joe, but the main reason behind vim and
> Emacs is to avoid the mouse. So the GUI is useless. There are some way
> in which a mouse is a good way to use an application, but not in text
> editors. In half of your messages you say that the GUI is for the inapt
> users and you claim the GUI as a good thing in one of the few area it's
> the easiest way to avoid the mouse you are promoting the GUI.

Same with JOE for avoiding the mouse. In addition to a jstar variant, JOE
also supports Emacs and and Pico keystrokes, jmac and jpico.

>> I try to promote cooledit but the narrow-minded, parochial imbeciles
>> in this group will summarily reject it because it boggles their little
>> minds.

TO LESTER: I tried cooledit once and I didn't like it. It seemed unnecessarily
convoluted, if I remember correctly. But if you like it, I'm happy for you.
But what makes you think people are "stupid" because they don't prefer YOUR
choice of an editor? I like JOE, but I'm sure not going to call people
"imbeciles" because they don't like it or won't try it. What is it with
control freaks that they always think the only way is THEIR way?

> You promoting way is so bad that the only arguments you provide will
> convince other who never heard about it to stay as far away of it as
> possible.

Agreed. If the argument for cooledit is that you can take graphical
screenshots and insert them into a newsgroup discussion, that sounds like a
good reason NOT to use it. If I want graphics in my documents, I'll use a
word processor.

(Sorry for butting into your conversation, I guess I have Lester Thorpe
killfiled.)

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

>> Yet, you posted this:
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/fUXvwdR.png
>
>As unlike your claim of using your brain about the subject, you refuse
>to used your brain to understand what's explained to you, I'll answer
>that just once.
>
>For a start, I don't know what he posted and I don't care. When you sent
>this message, did you want to be read and understood? If no, good job
>keep going like this. If yes, you loose. I don't know what's behind your
>link and I don't care. So if you want me to know it, you put text in
>your message, not a screenshot of text.

Fail. Heh.

2024 Usenet ...

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Le 29-09-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>
>>> Yet, you posted this:
>>>
>>> https://i.imgur.com/fUXvwdR.png
>>
>>As unlike your claim of using your brain about the subject, you refuse
>>to used your brain to understand what's explained to you, I'll answer
>>that just once.
>>
>>For a start, I don't know what he posted and I don't care. When you sent
>>this message, did you want to be read and understood? If no, good job
>>keep going like this. If yes, you loose. I don't know what's behind your
>>link and I don't care. So if you want me to know it, you put text in
>>your message, not a screenshot of text.
>
>
> Fail. Heh.

Yep, I'm not that surprised. You can't understand. You can't respect
others, you can only request them to respect you. But it doesn't work
that way. The respect goes either both ways or doesn't go.

> 2024 Usenet ...

Yes, your brain isn't improving when time is passing. In anyone it's
true, but it's truer for you with all the drugs and alcohol you take.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

>>>When you sent
>>>this message, did you want to be read and understood? If no, good job
>>>keep going like this. If yes, you loose. I don't know what's behind your
>>>link and I don't care. So if you want me to know it, you put text in
>>>your message, not a screenshot of text.
>>
>> Fail. Heh.
>
>Yep, I'm not that surprised. You can't understand. You can't respect
>others, you can only request them to respect you. But it doesn't work
>that way. The respect goes either both ways or doesn't go.
>
>> 2024 Usenet ...
>
>Yes, your brain isn't improving when time is passing. In anyone it's
>true, but it's truer for you with all the drugs and alcohol you take.

Free hint, I'm here because of Linux, politics, and to keep Usenet
relevant, not to please un-modern people who might even be a majority,
here.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 9/28/2024 10:17 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> faggot hypocrite GUI-pussy

I meant to put quotes around those insults, to indicate those are terms
Feeb has used frequently to denigrate GUI users - of which he is one, of
course.

> What I do with the GUI is fundamentals, openSUSE has shown me how
> liberating that is, my computer is like Larry's, except actually
> *good*.

I don't think Feeb actually enjoys using Gentoo the way he claims to use
it. It's a huge time sink, for little or no gain except maybe some
psychic satisfaction that he's an "elite user". The joke's on him,
though: everyone else thinks he's a nutty asshole.

Le 29-09-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> Free hint, I'm here because of Linux, politics, and to keep Usenet
> relevant, not to please un-modern people who might even be a majority,
> here.

You keep claiming you are modernizing usenet, but never bring any
argument explaining why your way is modern. Apart from imposing your
ugly tastes to others because you want to, your way does nothing.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

On 2024-09-29 2:20 p.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 29-09-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>
>>>> Yet, you posted this:
>>>>
>>>> https://i.imgur.com/fUXvwdR.png
>>>
>>> As unlike your claim of using your brain about the subject, you refuse
>>> to used your brain to understand what's explained to you, I'll answer
>>> that just once.
>>>
>>> For a start, I don't know what he posted and I don't care. When you sent
>>> this message, did you want to be read and understood? If no, good job
>>> keep going like this. If yes, you loose. I don't know what's behind your
>>> link and I don't care. So if you want me to know it, you put text in
>>> your message, not a screenshot of text.
>>
>>
>> Fail. Heh.
>
> Yep, I'm not that surprised. You can't understand. You can't respect
> others, you can only request them to respect you. But it doesn't work
> that way. The respect goes either both ways or doesn't go.
>
>> 2024 Usenet ...
>
> Yes, your brain isn't improving when time is passing. In anyone it's
> true, but it's truer for you with all the drugs and alcohol you take.

I'm just waiting for him to call you homophobic for disagreeing with
him. That's how the feeble-minded usually work.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>On 2024-09-29 2:20 p.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>> Le 29-09-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Yet, you posted this:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/fUXvwdR.png
>>>>
>>>> As unlike your claim of using your brain about the subject, you refuse
>>>> to used your brain to understand what's explained to you, I'll answer
>>>> that just once.
>>>>
>>>> For a start, I don't know what he posted and I don't care. When you sent
>>>> this message, did you want to be read and understood? If no, good job
>>>> keep going like this. If yes, you loose. I don't know what's behind your
>>>> link and I don't care. So if you want me to know it, you put text in
>>>> your message, not a screenshot of text.
>>>
>>> Fail. Heh.
>>
>> Yep, I'm not that surprised. You can't understand. You can't respect
>> others, you can only request them to respect you. But it doesn't work
>> that way. The respect goes either both ways or doesn't go.
>>
>>> 2024 Usenet ...
>>
>> Yes, your brain isn't improving when time is passing. In anyone it's
>> true, but it's truer for you with all the drugs and alcohol you take.
>
>I'm just waiting for him to call you homophobic for disagreeing with
>him. That's how the feeble-minded usually work.

It's not homophobic, no. It's incorrect, the screenshot snippet
communicates what text cannot.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-09-30, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-09-29 2:20 p.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>> Le 29-09-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Yet, you posted this:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/fUXvwdR.png
>>>>
>>>> As unlike your claim of using your brain about the subject, you refuse
>>>> to used your brain to understand what's explained to you, I'll answer
>>>> that just once.
>>>>
>>>> For a start, I don't know what he posted and I don't care. When you sent
>>>> this message, did you want to be read and understood? If no, good job
>>>> keep going like this. If yes, you loose. I don't know what's behind your
>>>> link and I don't care. So if you want me to know it, you put text in
>>>> your message, not a screenshot of text.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fail. Heh.
>>
>> Yep, I'm not that surprised. You can't understand. You can't respect
>> others, you can only request them to respect you. But it doesn't work
>> that way. The respect goes either both ways or doesn't go.
>>
>>> 2024 Usenet ...
>>
>> Yes, your brain isn't improving when time is passing. In anyone it's
>> true, but it's truer for you with all the drugs and alcohol you take.
>
> I'm just waiting for him to call you homophobic for disagreeing with
> him. That's how the feeble-minded usually work.

Yep. The Woke insult you all they want, but if you return the insult they
whine that you're a "hater." Strangely enough they never apply that epithet
to themselves.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 19:01:58 -0400, DFS wrote:

> In WSL, on the other hand:

Judging from your example of a diehard Dimdows fanatic who can no longer
get through their day without resorting to Linux, the day can’t be far off
before WSL2 becomes a mandatory part of a Dimdows install.

On 24 Sep 2024 23:11:07 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 21:24:05 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On 24 Sep 2024 02:39:33 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> You could say the AC Cobra 427 was a fork of the AC Ace, a pleasant
>>> but not particularly rapid British sports car before Shelby got his
>>> hands on one.
>>
>> Was Shelby actually an USian? It’s just you don’t normally hear of
>> USian cars that are fast, not just in a straight line, but around
>> corners as well ...
>
> Better yet he was a Texian.

So where did he get his experience of roads that actually curve? Did he
spend much time in Europe as a lad or something?

On 29 Sep 2024 13:06:56 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> ... the main reason behind vim and Emacs is to avoid the mouse. So the
> GUI is useless.

Can’t speak for vim (Which vim? There are so many of them), but Emacs
certainly can make use of a GUI. You can open multiple Emacs windows. You
can click and drag to select. You can cut/copy/paste between an Emacs
window and a window of another GUI app. You can use the mouse wheel to
scroll. You can display fancy “attributes” attached to text in a buffer --
that includes defining clickable buttons, almost as though it were a GUI
toolkit.

And then there is “emacsclient”, which lets me open a file for editing in
the currently-running Emacs instance, from the command line.

On 2024-09-30 2:38 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-09-30, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-09-29 2:20 p.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>> Le 29-09-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Yet, you posted this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/fUXvwdR.png
>>>>>
>>>>> As unlike your claim of using your brain about the subject, you refuse
>>>>> to used your brain to understand what's explained to you, I'll answer
>>>>> that just once.
>>>>>
>>>>> For a start, I don't know what he posted and I don't care. When you sent
>>>>> this message, did you want to be read and understood? If no, good job
>>>>> keep going like this. If yes, you loose. I don't know what's behind your
>>>>> link and I don't care. So if you want me to know it, you put text in
>>>>> your message, not a screenshot of text.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fail. Heh.
>>>
>>> Yep, I'm not that surprised. You can't understand. You can't respect
>>> others, you can only request them to respect you. But it doesn't work
>>> that way. The respect goes either both ways or doesn't go.
>>>
>>>> 2024 Usenet ...
>>>
>>> Yes, your brain isn't improving when time is passing. In anyone it's
>>> true, but it's truer for you with all the drugs and alcohol you take.
>>
>> I'm just waiting for him to call you homophobic for disagreeing with
>> him. That's how the feeble-minded usually work.
>
> Yep. The Woke insult you all they want, but if you return the insult they
> whine that you're a "hater." Strangely enough they never apply that epithet
> to themselves.

I've gotten to the point that when they call me a racist, a sexist (this
one's not true, I'm very kind to women), a homophobe, a transphobe, an
anti-Semite or whatever else, I just say "yes." Their entire attack
revolves around you being labelled something so that whatever comes out
of your mouth is immediately dismissed by anyone listening who is just
as stupid. In my experience, people no longer care about labels and will
actually listen to what you're saying so once you smile and say "sure, I
am all those things you say," they'll scream and repeat that you
admitted to it, but everyone else will listen to your argument and
generally agree with it. They'll end up looking like the screeching
banshees that they are, and you will have won the argument.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

Joel wrote:
> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>
>>>> When you sent
>>>> this message, did you want to be read and understood? If no, good job
>>>> keep going like this. If yes, you loose. I don't know what's behind your
>>>> link and I don't care. So if you want me to know it, you put text in
>>>> your message, not a screenshot of text.
>>>
>>> Fail. Heh.
>>
>> Yep, I'm not that surprised. You can't understand. You can't respect
>> others, you can only request them to respect you. But it doesn't work
>> that way. The respect goes either both ways or doesn't go.
>>
>>> 2024 Usenet ...
>>
>> Yes, your brain isn't improving when time is passing. In anyone it's
>> true, but it's truer for you with all the drugs and alcohol you take.
>
>
> Free hint, I'm here because of Linux, politics, and to keep Usenet
> relevant, not to please un-modern people who might even be a majority,
> here.
>
>
get a job you lazy queer

On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 07:43:45 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> Can’t speak for vim (Which vim? There are so many of them), but Emacs
> certainly can make use of a GUI. You can open multiple Emacs windows.
> You can click and drag to select. You can cut/copy/paste between an
> Emacs window and a window of another GUI app. You can use the mouse
> wheel to scroll. You can display fancy “attributes” attached to text in
> a buffer --
> that includes defining clickable buttons, almost as though it were a GUI
> toolkit.

https://www.vim.org/

afaik that is the one and only 'vim'. What I have used for close to 30
years is gVim, the GUI version. I very seldom use the menubar options but
the GUI allows spawning multiple windows like you mention without losing
the console. Using "* for the buffer allows copy/paste to the system
clipboard. I also use the vim extension in VS Code. There is a vim package
for Visual Studio that I have used in the past. There is a 'neovim' but
I've not used it.

The last time I looked at emacs was a long time ago but it was the GUI
version. Unlike gVim the menu options were what made it usable for me
since I never was proficient with all the three finger salutes. There are
emacs keybindings for VS Code but there isn't any new activity.

https://github.com/SebastianZaha/vscode-emacs-friendly

On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 07:38:04 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 24 Sep 2024 23:11:07 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 21:24:05 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On 24 Sep 2024 02:39:33 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> You could say the AC Cobra 427 was a fork of the AC Ace, a pleasant
>>>> but not particularly rapid British sports car before Shelby got his
>>>> hands on one.
>>>
>>> Was Shelby actually an USian? It’s just you don’t normally hear of
>>> USian cars that are fast, not just in a straight line, but around
>>> corners as well ...
>>
>> Better yet he was a Texian.
>
> So where did he get his experience of roads that actually curve? Did he
> spend much time in Europe as a lad or something?

Your ignorance of the US is interesting. I grew up in an area where
straight roads were an exception and many of them were dirt. I developed a
driving style that is frowned on by the new 'stability control' systems.
There is nothing wrong with getting a little sideways. Where I live now is
similar once you get out of the valleys.

Shelby did get around though. He drove Aston-Martins, Ferraris, and
Maseratis in a number of venues including LeMans, Sebring, and even the
New Zealand Grand Prix.

I'll admit most of Texas doesn't do much for me. It does get better out in
the Guadalupes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalupe_Peak

I've been hesitant to get involved here because of all the non-constructive back
and forth going on about the Cooledit program. But I'll just leave this here..

I'm all for developers building new software. I don't think there is anything
wrong with that. Choices are always good and should be a thing we strive for.
However, one thing that I always look at when looking at software that tries to
do things the other software out there already does is, what problem is this new
program trying to solve? If the software does nothing innovative to solve a
problem that exists that isn't already solved with other software already on the
market then as far as I'm concerned, whats the point? It might just be a waste
of time. Now I haven't looked at Cooledit myself but I would have to ask what
exact technological issue is Cooledit solving that other software does not
already solve?

To clarify, 'technological issue' does not mean a UI update or a modern look. I
mean, hard fact, there is a glaring problem that needs to be solved and cooledit
solves it where no one else does. Because if you can't answer that question then
was it really worth developing. Another thing that always gets missed when
trying to market a new software program is the developer doesn't know what the
software is bad at doing. So I'll ask the question, where is Cooledit lacking?
If the developer can't give a clear answer to that question or says "It does
everything great" then they need to go back to the drawing board and do more
research because there is no such thing as a perfect program and if you don't
know what the software is bad at then it cannot be built upon it's shortcoming
later and the developer hasn't looked hard enough at their program.

These are two questions I always ask everyone that comes to me (at work) with a
new concept, idea, or finished program/product. What problem is it trying to
solve and what are it's shortcomings. Answer those before you try to sell
someone on a new product, service, or software. It will help you in the long
run.

I won't speculate on the word of other people that are for and against Cooledit
because neither side really is having a constructive conversation. I will say if
the developer can answer the two questions above (which should include examples
of other software that tries to solve the same issue and comes short) then
that's a better spotlight advertisement.

Hopefully this is coming as a constructive reply to that conversation and will
give everyone something to think about. I chose not to include all the back and
forth conversations in this thread on my reply because it's just not
constructive with name calling on both sides and I didn't want to get involved
in that aspect. I just thought I'd give my general perspective on things and
suggest the developers consider how they could answer the two questions I
proposed here as a way to find better ways to market the software and understand
the limitations of their software and find future improvements on it's
shortcomings as it's lifecycle continues.
Phillip Frabott
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 19:05:12 -0000 (UTC), Phillip Frabott wrote:

> Now I haven't looked at Cooledit myself but I would have to ask what
> exact technological issue is Cooledit solving that other software does not
> already solve?
>

It's a fucking text/programming editor. What major "innovations"
can any simple text/programming editor bring? Would you like it
to wash your soiled, shit-stained underwear as well. Idiot.

You are obviously caught up in some bizarre and illusory idealism.

Cooledit does the job. Furthermore, its GUI is dependent only
on X Window libraries and thus is immune to the GTK+/Qt bullshit.

Actually, if one uses the Midnight Commander (MC) file manager, then one
is using basal cooledit because the MC edit uses the same code base.

Cooledit is not perfect but it is FOSS and thus it depends on contributions
from the FOSS community.

But it is quite apparent that you are just another GNU/Linux freeloader who
wants freedom, only as in beer, without giving anything in return.

So fuck your idealism. Any program that does the job of existing programs
is certainly worthy of consideration.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

In reply to "Lester Thorpe" who wrote the following:

> On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 19:05:12 -0000 (UTC), Phillip Frabott wrote:
>
> > Now I haven't looked at Cooledit myself but I would have to ask what
> > exact technological issue is Cooledit solving that other software does not
> > already solve?
> >
>
> It's a fucking text/programming editor. What major "innovations"
> can any simple text/programming editor bring? Would you like it
> to wash your soiled, shit-stained underwear as well. Idiot.
>
> You are obviously caught up in some bizarre and illusory idealism.
>
> Cooledit does the job. Furthermore, its GUI is dependent only
> on X Window libraries and thus is immune to the GTK+/Qt bullshit.
>
> Actually, if one uses the Midnight Commander (MC) file manager, then one
> is using basal cooledit because the MC edit uses the same code base.
>
> Cooledit is not perfect but it is FOSS and thus it depends on contributions
> from the FOSS community.
>
> But it is quite apparent that you are just another GNU/Linux freeloader who
> wants freedom, only as in beer, without giving anything in return.
>
> So fuck your idealism. Any program that does the job of existing programs
> is certainly worthy of consideration.
>
>
>
> --
> Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

So to be clear the technological issue that Cooledit tries to solve is that
other editors have a dependency on GTK/Qt and Cooledit doesn't. I'm
understanding that correctly, yes?

I can see that you've had a lot of people against you for Cooledit as I can see
at least 2 weeks of back and forth so I'm going to give you a pass on your
argumentative reply. I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm just wanting to
understand the purpose of Cooledit and what would be the selling point of it for
someone to choose it over something else. Not having to rely on GTK/Qt or any
other X UI framework is a pretty good selling point. Means it can be used on
systems that require minimal X windows deployments with minimal dependencies.
I've never used MC myself so I can't speak to that, but there is probably a good
market for a minimal dependency editor in a GUI system for those who do use a
GUI so that's pretty cool.
Phillip Frabott
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