On 2024-08-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-08-18 2:02 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-08-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-08-17 6:45 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 18:20:53 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-08-17 3:00 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:41:27 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Considering how people in my part of town live, I wouldn't be entirely
>>>>>>> against a social credit score. They might finally make their stops,
>>>>>>> use the appropriate traffic lanes and demonstrate common courtesy. Of
>>>>>>> course, these things would also be possible if people converted to
>>>>>>> Catholicism, attended church and learned to be humble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, sure. Most of my extended family were Catholic and I never
>>>>>> noticed a lot of humility.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's because they weren't practising Catholics. It's the same with
>>>>> every religion: some take it seriously, some just say that they are.
>>>>
>>>> No true Catholic? Is Bergoglio a practicing Catholic?
>>>
>>> If you are a Catholic and understood the lessons you've learned as a
>>> child and a teenager then you would know that the current Pope Francis
>>> does not follow the traditional doctrine. The faith seems to have been
>>> corrupted sometime at the beginning of the 1960s and Pope Francis is the
>>> result.
>>>
>>> I can count a handful of times I applauded one of Francis's actions, but
>>> many more times that I questioned his decision.
>>
>> He's made no _ex cathedra_ pronouncement. No post-Vatican II pope has. So
>> nothing binding on Catholics in morals or dogma.
>
> He's also been way too open to homosexuals and migrants. At the very
> beginning, he really wanted us to believe that the people forcing their
> way into the United States, Canada and Europe were simply looking for a
> better life. Even when it was clear that it was a bunch of useless men
> looking to take advantage of the welfare state and commit crimes, he
> didn't change his mind.

I knew Bergoglio was phony when the MSM fawned all over him right from the
beginning. They kept saying "He's such a humble man... so humble... oh, so
humble." Since when does the MSM give a damn about the Catholic Church?
Bergoglio always supports the crap coming from the WEF. He's part of their
"club," what is often called the "Deep State."

> I've been reading rumours that there are stockpiles of weapons in a
> number of abandoned factories that are intended to be given to those
> migrants to eventually cause total mayhem in whichever society let them
> in. I wouldn't have believed it if the state didn't treat these people
> better than it does the locals.

I've heard stuff like this also. I don't know if it's true or not.

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"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-08-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 06:02:08 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> He's made no _ex cathedra_ pronouncement. No post-Vatican II pope has.
>> So nothing binding on Catholics in morals or dogma.
>
> No, but his 'instructions' are damaging enough.
>
> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-francis-again-turns-screws-use-
> traditional-latin-mass-2023-02-21/
>
> and other actions like excommunicating Vigano and firing Strickland.

I understand. Unfortunately a lot of Catholics don't understand the
difference between _ex cathedra_ pronouncements and whatever else the Pope
does via "suggestions," or "instructions." Too many take his words for
"Gospel."

God will be the judge of Vigano and Strickland, not Bergoglio.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-08-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 06:16:09 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> But if you really want to read about the errors of Modernism (within in
>> the Church) you need to go to Saint Pope Pius X. Error within the Church
>> are much more dangerous and came to their fruition at the Vatican II —
>> and continues to spread its poison within the Church today.
>
> Or you can go from SSPX to SSPV... The Bishop of Helena doesn't permit
> TLM in the diocese so if you're going to be an outlaw might as well do it
> right.

I didn't know that. I knew that Bergoglio decided starting up new places for
the Latin Mass was _verboten_, I didn't realize he was allowing Bishops to
ban it altogether.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-08-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-08-18 12:12 a.m., rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:27:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> If you are a Catholic and understood the lessons you've learned as a
>>> child and a teenager then you would know that the current Pope Francis
>>> does not follow the traditional doctrine. The faith seems to have been
>>> corrupted sometime at the beginning of the 1960s and Pope Francis is the
>>> result.
>>
>> The lessons I learned for First Communion and Confirmation were all pre-
>> Vatican II. One of the local churches streams the Mass. I didn't recognize
>> it between the priest facing the wrong way, no altar rail, use of
>> vernacular, civilians including women handing out the host, and I mean
>> literally handing it out to people milling around.
>>
>> https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9syll.htm
>>
>> They have been intent on working their way through the errors, checking
>> off each one. The last
>>
>> 80. The Roman Pontiff can, and ought to, reconcile himself, and come to
>> terms with progress, liberalism and modern civilization.- -Allocution
>> “Jamdudum cernimus,” March 18, 1861.
>>
>> is most pertinent.
>
> All I can tell you is that I've taken a liking to the Tomorrow's World
> approach which is to make Christianity a personal thing. You read the
> Bible and they will provide you with the tools to understand it.
> Requiring a priest and a mass to get from you to God to them is unnecessary.

Nothing new about that in Protestantism. Unfortunately for them, Christ
instituted the Church and the necessary Sacraments. Without the priesthood,
you don't have the Sacraments. Non-Catholics can be saved via "Baptism of
Desire," but that's much more difficult and "iffy" proposition than the
security of the Sacraments and the benefits provided by the Church Christ
founded.

What does this Tomorrow's World outfit have to say about Christ's Mother,
the Blessed Virgin Mary?

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 21:52:50 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Or even like my former priest, Father Wolfe, who I think might be a
> living saint.

Father Tooher was a human, not a saint. He liked horses and Irish whiskey.

No, not like that. The church had a three day horse show that included the
Lipizzaner Stallions, dressage, and steeplechases. The parish had a stable
and a horse, 'Ace of Spades'. The good Father may have went to Saratoga
for the harness season. It was only 25 miles away.

Meanwhile, the Dutch Reformed church at the other end of town raised money
with bake sales. In theory they didn't drink or gamble so Las Vegas Nights
were out.

On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 21:59:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Even a few years ago, when I was taking a traditional priest back from
> Twin Falls to Boise (can't remember how I got involved, but I was going
> to Boise anyhow) we stopped at a Wendy's for lunch (which was across the
> street from the local Masonic Lodge). The priest crossed himself when he
> saw it. I'm happy to report that that Lodge was torn down and it's now
> the site of a Maverick's convenience store.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic_Lodge_(Missoula,_Montana)

Alive and well, I guess. They sponsored a cornhole tournament last month.
At least they didn't follow the path of the Elks that held drag events and
gay balls for a while. They're remodeling and I don't know what is planned
for the future.

https://historicmt.org/items/show/2217

Both venues hosted First Night events so I've been in the buildings. They
must have been something in their heyday.

On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 22:36:16 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> God will be the judge of Vigano and Strickland, not Bergoglio.

I've seen some of Strickland's videos and he seems like someone you could
sit down and talk to. I'm old enough to remember Fulton J. Sheen on the
TV. Everybody watched his program, Catholic or Protestant. There isn't an
equivalent anymore. EWTN is in its own little world.

On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 17:44:56 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> If you're asking about the show, it plays in syndication every week on
> channels that are usually over-the-air. I am sure you'll find it rather
> easily under the name "Tomorrow's World" in your broadcast listings.
> Trust me, it's worth checking out. Similarly, it is worth reading their
> free material.

Doubtful.I don't have cable and the OTA channels are limited. There was a
Christian channel but it didn't survive the transition to digital. No big
loss since it featured snakes like Benny Hin and Joel Osteen.

On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 22:39:26 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I didn't know that. I knew that Bergoglio decided starting up new places
> for the Latin Mass was _verboten_, I didn't realize he was allowing
> Bishops to ban it altogether.

https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=53822

A SSPV priest offers the Mass on the second, fourth, and fifth Sundays of
the month. I don't think they're officially sedevacantist but they don't
pay much attention to the current hierarchy.

On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 21:39:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Weirdest I've seen, not only in Walmart, is people wearing flannel
> pajamas to the store. What the heck is that all about?

They never got past the covid lock down and PJs are the only thing in
their wardrobes.

On 2024-08-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 21:59:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> Even a few years ago, when I was taking a traditional priest back from
>> Twin Falls to Boise (can't remember how I got involved, but I was going
>> to Boise anyhow) we stopped at a Wendy's for lunch (which was across the
>> street from the local Masonic Lodge). The priest crossed himself when he
>> saw it. I'm happy to report that that Lodge was torn down and it's now
>> the site of a Maverick's convenience store.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic_Lodge_(Missoula,_Montana)
>
> Alive and well, I guess. They sponsored a cornhole tournament last month.
> At least they didn't follow the path of the Elks that held drag events and
> gay balls for a while. They're remodeling and I don't know what is planned
> for the future.
>
> https://historicmt.org/items/show/2217
>
> Both venues hosted First Night events so I've been in the buildings. They
> must have been something in their heyday.

I don't think the Masonic Temple (different than a lodge?) was ever much in
Twin Falls, ID. Too much competition from the alternate version, the Morman
church.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Masonictempletwinfalls.JPG

This one always was an ugly building. It looks like it was built in the 50s.
I'm guessing they originally met downtown somewhere. The Twin Falls Masons
now meet in a rented building in Jerome.

Here's what's their old location looks like now...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipPVpVGPu_Wi_JFR9oUYLXlifRmG1hxxZpPVhTtL=s680-w680-h510

None of these "fraternal orders" of whatever seem to be doing that well any
more. At least not in the community level.

I worked with a guy in Scottsbluff, NE (when I was going to college) who
hated the Masonic Lodges. His reason, however, was different than mine. His
father had been a loyal Mason for most of his life. When he died they just
abandoned him. (I don't know what it was they were supposed to do, but the
guy's son — the one I worked with — hated the Masons deeply for not doing
it.)

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-08-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 22:36:16 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> God will be the judge of Vigano and Strickland, not Bergoglio.
>
> I've seen some of Strickland's videos and he seems like someone you could
> sit down and talk to. I'm old enough to remember Fulton J. Sheen on the
> TV. Everybody watched his program, Catholic or Protestant. There isn't an
> equivalent anymore. EWTN is in its own little world.

For a while my wife watched the old Sister... Somebody rerun shows on EWTN.
I thought they were pretty interesting. She seemed old school — I think she
was the one who created EWTN.

I was either too young (or we didn't have a TV) when Fulton J. Sheen was on
television. Or maybe it was just something we didn't watch. I don't know. We
definitely weren't Catholic at the time.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 21:23:36 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Winco is usually less expensive than Walmart and definitely Fred Myer
> (Kroger). Albertson's is ridiculously expensive. They took over a ShopKo
> location up the road and built a showcase Albertson's that's huge.

Albertson's is convenient and not that much more expensive with my buying
patterns. When Albertson's bought Safeway they had to divest themselves of
the Safeway locations in town. The Safeway stores eventually became Yokes.
They're better for some things but it all evens out. When I was on the
road and went shopping in major markets like LA, Seattle, or Phoenix I was
surprised on how much cheaper everything was. Lucky lasted for a few
months. I didn't see anything to go out of my way and that must have been
the consensus. Bi-LO left a long time ago. One location became the Good
Foods Story, the yuppie haven, and a couple of others became independents
that are pretty good.

When you look at who owns what today you get the feeling there is only one
grocery store that puts on an act like the Dems and Reps.

> have advertised and they tell me "we can order it online for you." I
> just kind of shake my head and say to myself, "If I wanted to order
> online (and pick it up at the store), I would just order online not
> bother going to the store." So, yeah, I often end up with Amazon (but
> not for the lack of trying). It's almost like these places want their
> Brick & Mortar stores to fail, so they'll have an excuse to close them
> down.

Insult to injury: There is a B&N brick and mortar a two blocks from work.
I forget what book i was looking for but it was 'we can order it'. I got
it from B&N online, 10% off the in-store price, and free shipping. The B&N
is still there but they may survive by the Starbucks operation under their
roof. I don't know how those Starbucks in another store work. Franchise?

On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 17:56:56 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> I miss having a Canadian alternative for just about I buy. I can buy
> local, Quebec or Canadian food and watch Canadian football, but that's
> about it.

Yeah, but you get the good poutine. Or putain. I'm suspicious about the
legend of how it was named. "You want WHAT? Putain!" Never can tell with
joual.

On 2024-08-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 22:39:26 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> I didn't know that. I knew that Bergoglio decided starting up new places
>> for the Latin Mass was _verboten_, I didn't realize he was allowing
>> Bishops to ban it altogether.
>
> https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=53822
>
> A SSPV priest offers the Mass on the second, fourth, and fifth Sundays of
> the month. I don't think they're officially sedevacantist but they don't
> pay much attention to the current hierarchy.

Yeah, that's always been kind of a weak point in their argument. They
claimed to be in unity with the Church (unlike the sedevantists) but that
"unity" seemed pretty tenuous to me. It definitely caused "cognitive
dissonance" in my mind. I think they justified ignoring the Pope's dictates
by using the argument of an "emergency situation." (Probably rightly so.)
Now that the old priests (pre-Vatican ones) have more or less died off, the
Society of Pius X seems a bit less grounded and kind of a "fortress church"
as they call them.

Father Wolfe, who wanted to be a priest but couldn't accept the Vatican II
church and believed the St Pius X was separate from the Vatican, became a
Marine and then a teacher. As soon as the Society of St. Peter broke off
from the SSPX, with the promise of being united to the Pope, he went to the
seminary to become a priest. Of course the Vatican II church broke its word,
they had promised a Bishop (or Bishops) for the Society of St. Peter so they
could consecrate their own priests. Now Bergoglio has even more reneged on
everything promised.

At any rate, Vatican II has made the whole thing kind of a mixed up mess. If
I can find the Latin Mass I try to go to it, even in a Vatican II church.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 00:26:01 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> For a while my wife watched the old Sister... Somebody rerun shows on
> EWTN. I thought they were pretty interesting. She seemed old school — I
> think she was the one who created EWTN.

I only see it when I'm traveling and the motel has cable. Some shows are
decent. Then there is the flocks of nuns doing decades of the Rosary..

On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 00:22:11 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I don't think the Masonic Temple (different than a lodge?) was ever much
> in Twin Falls, ID. Too much competition from the alternate version, the
> Morman church.

Ol' Joe got his scripts confused at times and I don't mean Biden. People
don't realize that until you get to the panhandle Idaho is Utah North.

On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 22:44:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Nothing new about that in Protestantism. Unfortunately for them, Christ
> instituted the Church and the necessary Sacraments. Without the
> priesthood,
> you don't have the Sacraments. Non-Catholics can be saved via "Baptism
> of Desire," but that's much more difficult and "iffy" proposition than
> the security of the Sacraments and the benefits provided by the Church
> Christ founded.

https://crisismagazine.com/product/deadly-indifference

Whether or not you're Catholic Sammons' arguments are valid as far as
preserving the Church.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>No big
>loss since it [Christian-themed television station on analog TV] featured snakes like Benny Hin and Joel Osteen.

Osteen is truly an evil to behold, having once been good.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-08-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 21:23:36 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>
>> Winco is usually less expensive than Walmart and definitely Fred Myer
>> (Kroger). Albertson's is ridiculously expensive. They took over a ShopKo
>> location up the road and built a showcase Albertson's that's huge.
>
> Albertson's is convenient and not that much more expensive with my buying
> patterns. When Albertson's bought Safeway they had to divest themselves of
> the Safeway locations in town. The Safeway stores eventually became Yokes.
> They're better for some things but it all evens out. When I was on the
> road and went shopping in major markets like LA, Seattle, or Phoenix I was
> surprised on how much cheaper everything was. Lucky lasted for a few
> months. I didn't see anything to go out of my way and that must have been
> the consensus. Bi-LO left a long time ago. One location became the Good
> Foods Story, the yuppie haven, and a couple of others became independents
> that are pretty good.
>
> When you look at who owns what today you get the feeling there is only one
> grocery store that puts on an act like the Dems and Reps.

Exactly. So far, at least, Krogers has been barred from buying Albertsons.
I'm hoping the "merger" (buyout) doesn't go through, especially that
Blackstone and another venture capitalist outfit owns the largest percentage
of their stocks.

>> have advertised and they tell me "we can order it online for you." I
>> just kind of shake my head and say to myself, "If I wanted to order
>> online (and pick it up at the store), I would just order online not
>> bother going to the store." So, yeah, I often end up with Amazon (but
>> not for the lack of trying). It's almost like these places want their
>> Brick & Mortar stores to fail, so they'll have an excuse to close them
>> down.
>
>
> Insult to injury: There is a B&N brick and mortar a two blocks from work.
> I forget what book i was looking for but it was 'we can order it'. I got
> it from B&N online, 10% off the in-store price, and free shipping. The B&N
> is still there but they may survive by the Starbucks operation under their
> roof. I don't know how those Starbucks in another store work. Franchise?

We have one B&N in Boise. There used to be two of them. The surviving
location seems to be doing pretty well. But they'll still "order" books for
you. I always tell them I can order my own, if it comes to that.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-08-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 22:44:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> Nothing new about that in Protestantism. Unfortunately for them, Christ
>> instituted the Church and the necessary Sacraments. Without the
>> priesthood,
>> you don't have the Sacraments. Non-Catholics can be saved via "Baptism
>> of Desire," but that's much more difficult and "iffy" proposition than
>> the security of the Sacraments and the benefits provided by the Church
>> Christ founded.
>
> https://crisismagazine.com/product/deadly-indifference
>
> Whether or not you're Catholic Sammons' arguments are valid as far as
> preserving the Church.

I've bookmarked it. I'll take a closer look when I get back home from the
store.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-08-19, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>>No big
>>loss since it [Christian-themed television station on analog TV] featured snakes like Benny Hin and Joel Osteen.
>
>
> Osteen is truly an evil to behold, having once been good.

Yes.
And there are many like him.

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

On 2024-08-19, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2024-08-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 21:23:36 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Winco is usually less expensive than Walmart and definitely Fred Myer
>>> (Kroger). Albertson's is ridiculously expensive. They took over a ShopKo
>>> location up the road and built a showcase Albertson's that's huge.
>>
>> Albertson's is convenient and not that much more expensive with my buying
>> patterns. When Albertson's bought Safeway they had to divest themselves of
>> the Safeway locations in town. The Safeway stores eventually became Yokes.
>> They're better for some things but it all evens out. When I was on the
>> road and went shopping in major markets like LA, Seattle, or Phoenix I was
>> surprised on how much cheaper everything was. Lucky lasted for a few
>> months. I didn't see anything to go out of my way and that must have been
>> the consensus. Bi-LO left a long time ago. One location became the Good
>> Foods Story, the yuppie haven, and a couple of others became independents
>> that are pretty good.
>>
>> When you look at who owns what today you get the feeling there is only one
>> grocery store that puts on an act like the Dems and Reps.
>
> Exactly. So far, at least, Krogers has been barred from buying Albertsons.
> I'm hoping the "merger" (buyout) doesn't go through, especially that
> Blackstone and another venture capitalist outfit owns the largest percentage
> of their stocks.
>
>>> have advertised and they tell me "we can order it online for you." I
>>> just kind of shake my head and say to myself, "If I wanted to order
>>> online (and pick it up at the store), I would just order online not
>>> bother going to the store." So, yeah, I often end up with Amazon (but
>>> not for the lack of trying). It's almost like these places want their
>>> Brick & Mortar stores to fail, so they'll have an excuse to close them
>>> down.
>>
>>
>> Insult to injury: There is a B&N brick and mortar a two blocks from work.
>> I forget what book i was looking for but it was 'we can order it'. I got
>> it from B&N online, 10% off the in-store price, and free shipping. The B&N
>> is still there but they may survive by the Starbucks operation under their
>> roof. I don't know how those Starbucks in another store work. Franchise?
>
> We have one B&N in Boise. There used to be two of them. The surviving
> location seems to be doing pretty well. But they'll still "order" books for
> you. I always tell them I can order my own, if it comes to that.
>

Well I try to by local, mom and pop, but even though I live in a one horse town I tried to purchase
a simple pulmbind and electrical part, 2 different visits, and I was told "we don't stock this but
we can have it for you in 4 or 5 days and we can't guarantee this".

Bye, bye.
Overnight from Amazon.

And for those who claim local expert support, these places are manned by teens who don't know a
metric bolt from an english one let alone grading of bolts.

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 02:17:26 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I've bookmarked it. I'll take a closer look when I get back home from
> the store.

I look at it in the bigger context. How do religions (political systems,
operating systems, whatever) get started? How do they thrive and grow or
wither away? Some seem very unlikely but make it while others that are no
less true or kooky, take your pick die out.

Indifference is the beginning of the end. The old chestnut is if you don't
stand for something you'll fall for anything. It isn't as divisive a
subject as some but I prefer Linux. If I thought Windows or macOS was just
as good why would I bother? I don't consider setting up Linux a chore but
it's definitely easier to buy a Windows box and be done with it.

On 2024-08-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 02:17:26 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> I've bookmarked it. I'll take a closer look when I get back home from
>> the store.
>
> I look at it in the bigger context. How do religions (political systems,
> operating systems, whatever) get started? How do they thrive and grow or
> wither away? Some seem very unlikely but make it while others that are no
> less true or kooky, take your pick die out.

I don't think the Catholic Church is withering away because it's a lot more
than what appears on the surface.

> Indifference is the beginning of the end. The old chestnut is if you don't
> stand for something you'll fall for anything. It isn't as divisive a
> subject as some but I prefer Linux. If I thought Windows or macOS was just
> as good why would I bother? I don't consider setting up Linux a chore but
> it's definitely easier to buy a Windows box and be done with it.

I can install and upgrade Linux these days in about 20 minutes. It takes
longer than that to answer or bypass all the setup questions Microsoft wants
you to answer — and to install all the apps that don't come with Windows. And
usually you have to upgrade, so that at adds (probably) another hour at least
for set up. There's nothing at all that attracts me to Windows (and I'm not
crazy about Mac OS either, but I've never had a new Mac machine so I don't
know what the original setup process is or how long it takes.)

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[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine