On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 09:38:39 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Unfortunately, when it was time to upgrade from my the LG G6 which was
> no longer receiving updates and kept reminding me that I was insecure
> through Google Pay (got it in 2018, it received its last update in 2019,
> stopped using it in 2021), the only options my provider made available
> to me were Androids and iPhones. It was between a Samsung, a Google, an
> Apple or some obscure brand. I did my research and got an Apple because
> it was the only brand allowing me to hold onto my phone for more than
> two years in terms of updates. A few weeks after I got it, Samsung
> announced that they would provide their phones with four years of
> updates, so I guess I wasn't the only one annoyed with the two-year
> support.

My Nokia 4.2 I bought in May of 2020 is still working fine. I use Mint
Mobile so it was BYOD. I don't 'spend my entire life on a phone' so as
long as it works I don't care about updates. It's Android 11 and was last
updated in 2022.

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 09:39:38 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 2024-08-17 9:23 a.m., Relf wrote:
>> Uncle_Matuch:
>>> Blackberry used to produce their phones in North America, but then the
>>> iPhone showed the world what could be and Johnny Dipshit decided that
>>> he needed to spend his entire life [savings] on a phone.
>>
>> How much did your phone cost ?
>
> Oh, I forgot to give you the price. It was $30 or so over two years.

Sure.... And how much did your plan cost? TANSTAAFL.

rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 09:39:38 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> On 2024-08-17 9:23 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>> Uncle_Matuch:
>>>> Blackberry used to produce their phones in North America, but then the
>>>> iPhone showed the world what could be and Johnny Dipshit decided that
>>>> he needed to spend his entire life [savings] on a phone.
>>>
>>> How much did your phone cost ?
>>
>> Oh, I forgot to give you the price. It was $30 or so over two years.
>
> Sure.... And how much did your plan cost? TANSTAAFL.
>

20 for the phone , 26 a month

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 09:03:12 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 2024-08-17 1:45 a.m., Relf wrote:
>> You (DistroMan) replied ( to me ):
>>>> China isn't my enemy; we should mimic them.
>>>
>>> Authoritarian regimes with little regard for human rights are not my
>>> cup of tea.
>>> If you like the place so much, why not immigrate ?
>>
>> China hates Americans.
>> I'm too old to learn Chinese.
>> The pandemic destroyed me.
>
> Even the Chinese don't learn Chinese. You'd be learning Mandarin or
> Cantonese.

I forget which movie but Lucy Liu learned Mandarin as a kid and had to
learn Cantonese for the film. She said it was a bitch.

On 2024-08-17 1:48 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:44:34 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> America only needs China if it intends to keep going with the push for
>> electric vehicles. Since some of the materials needed to produce the
>> batteries are found there exclusively, avoiding any kind of trade with
>> them if "environmentalism" is in your interests would be foolish. By
>> sticking to the internal combustion engine, it would indeed be possible
>> to avoid trade with them and to actually impoverish them through a
>> refusal to do so.
>
> Look around you. How many items say 'Made in China'? Even the NRA's gimme
> hats with a proud American flag are made in China.
>
> As far as lithium, the US arguably has the largest deposits in the world.
> As late as the '70s lithium was actively mined at Kings Mountain in North
> Carolina. Like everything else in the '80s it was cheaper to mine lithium
> in Chile.
>
> https://grist.org/equity/electric-vehicles-north-carolina-lithium-mining-
> albemarle/
>
> The Thacker Pass area in Nevada is even a larger potential source. There
> are problems in exploiting these resources. NIMBY, environmentalists,
> Indians that think their grandfather camped there in 1850, and even
> frigging NASA:
>
> https://www.cnbc.com/video/2023/09/07/nasa-pushes-back-against-those-
> tapping-into-u-s-lithium-reserves.html
>
> Yttrium?
>
> https://pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/mcs2022/mcs2022-yttrium.pdf
>
> What happened to Mountain Pass?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Pass_mine
>
> Same story, cheaper to source the materials from China. Even if it is
> reborn the Chinese government has a 8% interest. How the hell did that
> happen?
>
> The US sold its birthright for a bowl of shekels and that goes way beyond
> ICEs vs EVs.

Well, I can't argue with that last part.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-08-17 3:00 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:41:27 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Considering how people in my part of town live, I wouldn't be entirely
>> against a social credit score. They might finally make their stops, use
>> the appropriate traffic lanes and demonstrate common courtesy. Of
>> course, these things would also be possible if people converted to
>> Catholicism, attended church and learned to be humble.
>
> Yeah, sure. Most of my extended family were Catholic and I never noticed a
> lot of humility.

That's because they weren't practising Catholics. It's the same with
every religion: some take it seriously, some just say that they are.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>On 2024-08-17 3:00 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:41:27 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> Considering how people in my part of town live, I wouldn't be entirely
>>> against a social credit score. They might finally make their stops, use
>>> the appropriate traffic lanes and demonstrate common courtesy. Of
>>> course, these things would also be possible if people converted to
>>> Catholicism, attended church and learned to be humble.
>>
>> Yeah, sure. Most of my extended family were Catholic and I never noticed a
>> lot of humility.
>
>That's because they weren't practising Catholics. It's the same with
>every religion: some take it seriously, some just say that they are.

Hahahaha, dude, you are a piece of white work. You need to be brought
back down to reality, of how you're demented, not superior.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-08-17 3:31 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:55:58 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>
>> Or they might be tempted into looking for a job. I've seen the kind of
>> garbage that goes to Walmart and I don't consider many of them
>> productive members of society.
>
> Considering what they pay illegal alien chicken pluckers at Tyson, they
> couldn't even afford Walmart. I'm not sure Walmart workers can even afford
> Walmart.
>
> Personally Walmart is my store of last resort so I may visit once or twice
> a year. It does tend to look like pork on parade so I guess the clientele
> isn't going hungry at least.
>
>
>> Blackberry used to produce their phones in North America, but then the
>> iPhone showed the world what could be and Johnny Dipshit decided that he
>> needed to spend his entire life on a phone.
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreycarr/2011/01/13/do-you-know-who-
> manufactured-your-blackberry/
>
> Maybe 'assembled in North America' but I'm not certain about that. Perhaps
> the rebooted Blackberry will be better although I'd bet on Vietnam or
> India rather than onshore.
>
> https://www.engadget.com/5g-blackberry-keyboard-global-flagship-american-
> made-peter-franklin-175112005.html

I guess those Blackberry phones slated to come out in 2021 never
materialized. I'll be honest and say that I would have wanted to have
one if it didn't use Android, but I guess those days are over.
Regardless of how much of a failure the BBOS phones were, I rather liked
them.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-08-17 3:42 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 09:39:38 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> On 2024-08-17 9:23 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>> Uncle_Matuch:
>>>> Blackberry used to produce their phones in North America, but then the
>>>> iPhone showed the world what could be and Johnny Dipshit decided that
>>>> he needed to spend his entire life [savings] on a phone.
>>>
>>> How much did your phone cost ?
>>
>> Oh, I forgot to give you the price. It was $30 or so over two years.
>
> Sure.... And how much did your plan cost? TANSTAAFL.

$30 monthly for the phone, $52 or so for the plan. I get 100GB of data
for $57 now.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 18:20:53 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 2024-08-17 3:00 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:41:27 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> Considering how people in my part of town live, I wouldn't be entirely
>>> against a social credit score. They might finally make their stops,
>>> use the appropriate traffic lanes and demonstrate common courtesy. Of
>>> course, these things would also be possible if people converted to
>>> Catholicism, attended church and learned to be humble.
>>
>> Yeah, sure. Most of my extended family were Catholic and I never
>> noticed a lot of humility.
>
> That's because they weren't practising Catholics. It's the same with
> every religion: some take it seriously, some just say that they are.

No true Catholic? Is Bergoglio a practicing Catholic?

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 18:34:00 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> $30 monthly for the phone, $52 or so for the plan. I get 100GB of data
> for $57 now.

So the phone cost $720? iirc that's 3 time what I paid for the unlocked
Nokia. My 100GB data plan is a bit more but it is not attached to a phone.
The MiFi has a phone number and gets the odd text message from idiots but
that's it. It took a while to convince Verizon I only wanted data and not
a damn phone. The Mint plan, which uses T-Mobile is a lot cheaper than any
Verizon phone plan. It's 5 GB per month but I average less than than 2.5
GB per month on the phone. I think a lot of that is the Fitbit app.

On 2024-08-17 6:45 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 18:20:53 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> On 2024-08-17 3:00 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:41:27 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> Considering how people in my part of town live, I wouldn't be entirely
>>>> against a social credit score. They might finally make their stops,
>>>> use the appropriate traffic lanes and demonstrate common courtesy. Of
>>>> course, these things would also be possible if people converted to
>>>> Catholicism, attended church and learned to be humble.
>>>
>>> Yeah, sure. Most of my extended family were Catholic and I never
>>> noticed a lot of humility.
>>
>> That's because they weren't practising Catholics. It's the same with
>> every religion: some take it seriously, some just say that they are.
>
> No true Catholic? Is Bergoglio a practicing Catholic?

If you are a Catholic and understood the lessons you've learned as a
child and a teenager then you would know that the current Pope Francis
does not follow the traditional doctrine. The faith seems to have been
corrupted sometime at the beginning of the 1960s and Pope Francis is the
result.

I can count a handful of times I applauded one of Francis's actions, but
many more times that I questioned his decision.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-08-17 6:54 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 18:34:00 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> $30 monthly for the phone, $52 or so for the plan. I get 100GB of data
>> for $57 now.
>
> So the phone cost $720? iirc that's 3 time what I paid for the unlocked
> Nokia. My 100GB data plan is a bit more but it is not attached to a phone.
> The MiFi has a phone number and gets the odd text message from idiots but
> that's it. It took a while to convince Verizon I only wanted data and not
> a damn phone. The Mint plan, which uses T-Mobile is a lot cheaper than any
> Verizon phone plan. It's 5 GB per month but I average less than than 2.5
> GB per month on the phone. I think a lot of that is the Fitbit app.

Yeah, it cost less with my mobile service than it would have had I
bought it on its own. It's actually always advantageous to go through
the provider and I will do the same thing when it's time to upgrade in
2026 or so.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

rBowman: [ The Mint plan is ] 5 GB per month but I average less than than 2.5

The 15 $/Month you spend on Mint tells spammers that you have money.
If you don't talk for endless hours ( 2 Thousand Minutes/Month, like me )
(wired) "VoIP.MS" costs ~30 $/YEAR.

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:27:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> If you are a Catholic and understood the lessons you've learned as a
> child and a teenager then you would know that the current Pope Francis
> does not follow the traditional doctrine. The faith seems to have been
> corrupted sometime at the beginning of the 1960s and Pope Francis is the
> result.

The lessons I learned for First Communion and Confirmation were all pre-
Vatican II. One of the local churches streams the Mass. I didn't recognize
it between the priest facing the wrong way, no altar rail, use of
vernacular, civilians including women handing out the host, and I mean
literally handing it out to people milling around.

https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9syll.htm

They have been intent on working their way through the errors, checking
off each one. The last

80. The Roman Pontiff can, and ought to, reconcile himself, and come to
terms with progress, liberalism and modern civilization.- -Allocution
“Jamdudum cernimus,” March 18, 1861.

is most pertinent.

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:32:26 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> rBowman: [ The Mint plan is ] 5 GB per month but I average less than
> than 2.5
>
> The 15 $/Month you spend on Mint tells spammers that you have money.
> If you don't talk for endless hours ( 2 Thousand Minutes/Month, like me
> ) (wired) "VoIP.MS" costs ~30 $/YEAR.

As far as a phone as a communication device I talk to my ex every couple
of months for an hour or so.

Besides that when I log in at work the text message PIN is the most
convenient way for 2fa. If I VPN in I have to get a magic number from the
Microsoft Authenticator since the current IT guy who set it up is a former
MS employee and loves M$.

I also use the work Slack channels, a geocaching app, a step counter, and
the damn Fitbit app has to have a connection to update from the device. I
wouldn't want Google to miss any important data about my life.

I very rarely use Jango or the app to control the DJI Tello drone.

VOIP wouldn't work for me. I've never liked phones qua phones and still
don't. I miss the days when phones had a convenient hammer attached by a
curly cord that you could use to beat the goddamn thing to death. After
one conversation with my not-then-ex I took the pile of wreckage to the
motel front desk and said 'Er, it fell off the nightstand'.

On 2024-08-17, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:55:58 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>
>> Or they might be tempted into looking for a job. I've seen the kind of
>> garbage that goes to Walmart and I don't consider many of them
>> productive members of society.
>
> Considering what they pay illegal alien chicken pluckers at Tyson, they
> couldn't even afford Walmart. I'm not sure Walmart workers can even afford
> Walmart.

In Idaho, a few years ago (I don't know if it's the same now), part of the
"hiring package" at Walmart was telling their new employee how to get on
food stamps.

> Personally Walmart is my store of last resort so I may visit once or twice
> a year. It does tend to look like pork on parade so I guess the clientele
> isn't going hungry at least.

I go there too much. I should drive a little further and go to Winco. Amazon
is actually my "store" of last resort.

>> Blackberry used to produce their phones in North America, but then the
>> iPhone showed the world what could be and Johnny Dipshit decided that he
>> needed to spend his entire life on a phone.
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreycarr/2011/01/13/do-you-know-who-
> manufactured-your-blackberry/
>
> Maybe 'assembled in North America' but I'm not certain about that. Perhaps
> the rebooted Blackberry will be better although I'd bet on Vietnam or
> India rather than onshore.
>
> https://www.engadget.com/5g-blackberry-keyboard-global-flagship-american-
> made-peter-franklin-175112005.html

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-08-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-08-17 3:31 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:55:58 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Or they might be tempted into looking for a job. I've seen the kind of
>>> garbage that goes to Walmart and I don't consider many of them
>>> productive members of society.
>>
>> Considering what they pay illegal alien chicken pluckers at Tyson, they
>> couldn't even afford Walmart. I'm not sure Walmart workers can even afford
>> Walmart.
>>
>> Personally Walmart is my store of last resort so I may visit once or twice
>> a year. It does tend to look like pork on parade so I guess the clientele
>> isn't going hungry at least.
>>
>>
>>> Blackberry used to produce their phones in North America, but then the
>>> iPhone showed the world what could be and Johnny Dipshit decided that he
>>> needed to spend his entire life on a phone.
>>
>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreycarr/2011/01/13/do-you-know-who-
>> manufactured-your-blackberry/
>>
>> Maybe 'assembled in North America' but I'm not certain about that. Perhaps
>> the rebooted Blackberry will be better although I'd bet on Vietnam or
>> India rather than onshore.
>>
>> https://www.engadget.com/5g-blackberry-keyboard-global-flagship-american-
>> made-peter-franklin-175112005.html
>
> I guess those Blackberry phones slated to come out in 2021 never
> materialized. I'll be honest and say that I would have wanted to have
> one if it didn't use Android, but I guess those days are over.
> Regardless of how much of a failure the BBOS phones were, I rather liked
> them.

My favorite phone was a Blackberry Q10. I would still be using it if they
would let me. (I used it right up until they told me it wasn't supported any
more.) I didn't want Android, although the Q10 would run older Android apps
through emulation.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

rBowman: VOIP wouldn't work for me.
I've never liked phones qua phones and still don't.

Once I'm king of the world ( given Joel Crump's permission ),
I'll force everyone to use email.

It's insane how I can't make and receive desktop calls
via my cell phone number; absolutely insane.

And, no, I'm not talking about those apps that force you
to register people before you can communicate with them.

On 2024-08-17, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 09:38:39 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, when it was time to upgrade from my the LG G6 which was
>> no longer receiving updates and kept reminding me that I was insecure
>> through Google Pay (got it in 2018, it received its last update in 2019,
>> stopped using it in 2021), the only options my provider made available
>> to me were Androids and iPhones. It was between a Samsung, a Google, an
>> Apple or some obscure brand. I did my research and got an Apple because
>> it was the only brand allowing me to hold onto my phone for more than
>> two years in terms of updates. A few weeks after I got it, Samsung
>> announced that they would provide their phones with four years of
>> updates, so I guess I wasn't the only one annoyed with the two-year
>> support.
>
> My Nokia 4.2 I bought in May of 2020 is still working fine. I use Mint
> Mobile so it was BYOD. I don't 'spend my entire life on a phone' so as
> long as it works I don't care about updates. It's Android 11 and was last
> updated in 2022.

My main phone is a Pixel 3a (2019). I use the Tello $10 plan (unlimited talk
and text and 2 GBs of data, including HotSpot). I basically only use the
data when the power or Internet goes down. My secondary phone is now an
iPhone 4s that my nephew sent me. That one is on the Hello Mobile plan, $5 a
month for unlimited talk and text (to 60-some countries), plus 500 MBs of
data (no HotSpot). I carry that one when I go out (when I remember to take
it with me). I like the small size. Both of these use the T-Mobile network
because it has the strongest signal in my area.

Mostly I use my Pixel for talking to my dad (who lives alone and is some
2,000 mile away) and for playing pinochle. No social media apps at all. The
4s rarely gets used, but I feel I owe it my nephew to keep it active (he put
a new screen in it and I installed a new battery).

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-08-17, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:41:27 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Considering how people in my part of town live, I wouldn't be entirely
>> against a social credit score. They might finally make their stops, use
>> the appropriate traffic lanes and demonstrate common courtesy. Of
>> course, these things would also be possible if people converted to
>> Catholicism, attended church and learned to be humble.
>
> Yeah, sure. Most of my extended family were Catholic and I never noticed a
> lot of humility.

But, at least, the Catholic Church has the _ideal_ of humility. Hardly
anyone lives up to it, except the saints.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-08-17, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 18:20:53 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> On 2024-08-17 3:00 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:41:27 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> Considering how people in my part of town live, I wouldn't be entirely
>>>> against a social credit score. They might finally make their stops,
>>>> use the appropriate traffic lanes and demonstrate common courtesy. Of
>>>> course, these things would also be possible if people converted to
>>>> Catholicism, attended church and learned to be humble.
>>>
>>> Yeah, sure. Most of my extended family were Catholic and I never
>>> noticed a lot of humility.
>>
>> That's because they weren't practising Catholics. It's the same with
>> every religion: some take it seriously, some just say that they are.
>
> No true Catholic? Is Bergoglio a practicing Catholic?

Ugh. I think he's more Masonic than Catholic. And he's definitely NOT
humble.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-08-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-08-17 6:45 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 18:20:53 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-08-17 3:00 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:41:27 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Considering how people in my part of town live, I wouldn't be entirely
>>>>> against a social credit score. They might finally make their stops,
>>>>> use the appropriate traffic lanes and demonstrate common courtesy. Of
>>>>> course, these things would also be possible if people converted to
>>>>> Catholicism, attended church and learned to be humble.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, sure. Most of my extended family were Catholic and I never
>>>> noticed a lot of humility.
>>>
>>> That's because they weren't practising Catholics. It's the same with
>>> every religion: some take it seriously, some just say that they are.
>>
>> No true Catholic? Is Bergoglio a practicing Catholic?
>
> If you are a Catholic and understood the lessons you've learned as a
> child and a teenager then you would know that the current Pope Francis
> does not follow the traditional doctrine. The faith seems to have been
> corrupted sometime at the beginning of the 1960s and Pope Francis is the
> result.
>
> I can count a handful of times I applauded one of Francis's actions, but
> many more times that I questioned his decision.

He's made no _ex cathedra_ pronouncement. No post-Vatican II pope has. So
nothing binding on Catholics in morals or dogma.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-08-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:27:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> If you are a Catholic and understood the lessons you've learned as a
>> child and a teenager then you would know that the current Pope Francis
>> does not follow the traditional doctrine. The faith seems to have been
>> corrupted sometime at the beginning of the 1960s and Pope Francis is the
>> result.
>
> The lessons I learned for First Communion and Confirmation were all pre-
> Vatican II. One of the local churches streams the Mass. I didn't recognize
> it between the priest facing the wrong way, no altar rail, use of
> vernacular, civilians including women handing out the host, and I mean
> literally handing it out to people milling around.
>
> https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9syll.htm
>
> They have been intent on working their way through the errors, checking
> off each one. The last
>
> 80. The Roman Pontiff can, and ought to, reconcile himself, and come to
> terms with progress, liberalism and modern civilization.- -Allocution
> “Jamdudum cernimus,” March 18, 1861.
>
> is most pertinent.

One of the errors of "liberalism." Pope Piux IX responded by countering this
error...

...Venerable Brethren, you see clearly enough how sad and full of perils is
the condition of Catholics in the regions of Europe which We have
mentioned. Nor are things any better or circumstances calmer in America,
where some regions are so hostile to Catholics that their governments
seem to deny by their actions the Catholic faith they claim to profess.
In fact, there, for the last few years, a ferocious war on the Church,
its institutions and the rights of the Apostolic See has been raging….
Venerable Brothers, it is surprising that in our time such a great war is
being waged against the Catholic Church. But anyone who knows the nature,
desires and intentions of the sects, whether they be called masonic or
bear another name, and compares them with the nature the systems and the
vastness of the obstacles by which the Church has been assailed almost
everywhere, cannot doubt that the present misfortune must mainly be
imputed to the frauds and machinations of these sects. It is from them
that the synagogue of Satan, which gathers its troops against the Church
of Christ, takes its strength. In the past Our predecessors, vigilant
even from the beginning in Israel, had already denounced them to the
kings and the nations, and had condemned them time and time again, and
even We have not failed in this duty. If those who would have been able
to avert such a deadly scourge had only had more faith in the supreme
Pastors of the Church! But this scourge, winding through sinuous caverns,
. . . deceiving many with astute frauds, finally has arrived at the point
where it comes forth impetuously from its hiding places and triumphs as a
powerful master. Since the throng of its propagandists has grown
enormously, these wicked groups think that they have already become
masters of the world and that they have almost reached their
pre-established goal. Having sometimes obtained what they desired, and
that is power, in several countries, they boldly turn the help of powers
and authorities which they have secured to trying to submit the Church of
God to the most cruel servitude, to undermine the foundations on which it
rests, to contaminate its splendid qualities; and, moreover, to strike it
with frequent blows, to shake it, to overthrow it, and, if possible, to
make it disappear completely from the earth. Things being thus, Venerable
Brothers, make every effort to defend the faithful which are entrusted to
you against the insidious contagion of these sects and to save from
perdition those who unfortunately have inscribed themselves in such
sects. Make known and attack those who, whether suffering from, or
planning, deception, are not afraid to affirm that these shady
congregations aim only at the profit of society, at progress and mutual
benefit. Explain to them often and impress deeply on their souls the
Papal constitutions on this subject and teach, them that the masonic
associations are anathematized by them not only in Europe but also in
America and wherever they may be in the whole world. ...

But if you really want to read about the errors of Modernism (within in the
Church) you need to go to Saint Pope Pius X. Error within the Church are
much more dangerous and came to their fruition at the Vatican II — and
continues to spread its poison within the Church today.

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
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On 2024-08-18 12:12 a.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:27:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> If you are a Catholic and understood the lessons you've learned as a
>> child and a teenager then you would know that the current Pope Francis
>> does not follow the traditional doctrine. The faith seems to have been
>> corrupted sometime at the beginning of the 1960s and Pope Francis is the
>> result.
>
> The lessons I learned for First Communion and Confirmation were all pre-
> Vatican II. One of the local churches streams the Mass. I didn't recognize
> it between the priest facing the wrong way, no altar rail, use of
> vernacular, civilians including women handing out the host, and I mean
> literally handing it out to people milling around.
>
> https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9syll.htm
>
> They have been intent on working their way through the errors, checking
> off each one. The last
>
> 80. The Roman Pontiff can, and ought to, reconcile himself, and come to
> terms with progress, liberalism and modern civilization.- -Allocution
> “Jamdudum cernimus,” March 18, 1861.
>
> is most pertinent.

All I can tell you is that I've taken a liking to the Tomorrow's World
approach which is to make Christianity a personal thing. You read the
Bible and they will provide you with the tools to understand it.
Requiring a priest and a mass to get from you to God to them is unnecessary.

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CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king