https://www.hackster.io/news/canonical-adds-microchip-s-new-pic64gx-to-
its-list-of-ubuntu-supported-risc-v-platforms-fd4faa42fceb?
mc_cid=f7c360c523

This isn't the first RISC-V board to run Ubuntu and Ubuntu wasn't the
first distro to offer a RISC-V implementation but the ongoing work is
interesting. afaik none of them have the performance of a Raspberry Pi 5
but give them time.

ARM is getting all the love but the RISC-V ISA is open source with no
royalty fees to Arm Ltd. The original development was done at UC Berkeley
but the RICV-V Foundation started in 2015 to administer it. In 2019 the
foundation moved to Switzerland and became RISC-V International.

Why is that important? The move was to avoid any sanctions or trade
restrictions the US loves to slap on people that don't agree with them.
This makes China very happy. Arm Ltd is in Britain, a US puppet so that
could eventually become a problem. One example is Espressif Systems on
Shanghai that has a number of microcontrollers manufactured by TSMC. Even
Nvidia is looking at RISC-V for the next gen Falcon replacement.

https://www.xda-developers.com/forget-windows-arm-risc-v/

Windows on RISC-V probably will never happen. That article has a paragraph

"RISC-V is still a massively niche architecture, and while companies like
Google and Qualcomm seem to be invested in its future success, that
doesn’t mean it’s really useful now. In fact, the US government is already
beginning to investigate the risk (see what I did there?) of its usage in
Chinese tech products, as it’s seen as a threat to the tech that the US
can influence or outright exert control over, like Arm and x86."

Can't let that world hegemony slip away...

rBowman: Can't let that world hegemony slip away...

China's hegemony in the global EV market boils down to: Affordable housing.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 05:45:34 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> rBowman: Can't let that world hegemony slip away...
>
> China's hegemony in the global EV market boils down to: Affordable
> housing.

Housing in corporate barracks? Company housing was a thing in the US. Lose
your job, lose your hovel. I assume it works the same in China.

It is true China owns the Latin American EV market and would completely
devastate the US market. Funny how the government can effectively build
'walls' depending on whose ox is getting gored.

Relf wrote:

>China's hegemony in the global EV market boils down to: Affordable housing.

Affordale health care. Affordable (lax) environmental protections.
There's just no way the US can compete with them on price. I'm
usually against tariffs, but not when it comes to our enemy, China.

On 2024-08-16 7:19 p.m., chrisv wrote:
> Relf wrote:
>
>> China's hegemony in the global EV market boils down to: Affordable housing.
>
> Affordale health care. Affordable (lax) environmental protections.
> There's just no way the US can compete with them on price. I'm
> usually against tariffs, but not when it comes to our enemy, China.

The argument here is that China will simply pass on that tariff to the
customer on the price of whatever it is they're selling. My hope is that
they'll do exactly that so that customers no longer benefit from the
lower price of cheap Chinese goods. If they're sold at the same price as
goods from the Western world, nobody in their right mind would choose them.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

You (rBowman) replied ( to me ):
> > China's hegemony in the global EV market boils down to: Affordable housing.
>
> Housing in corporate barracks? Company housing was a thing in the US.
> Lose your job, lose your hovel. I assume it works the same in China.

Probably so.

> It is true China owns the Latin American EV market and would completely
> devastate the US market. Funny how the government can effectively build
> 'walls' depending on whose ox is getting gored.

I haven't seen it like this since the VW Beetle.
Amazing what slave labor can do, e.g. pyramids.

You (ChrisV) replied ( to me ):
> > China's hegemony in the global EV market boils down to: Affordable housing.
>
> Affordale [bad] health care. Affordable (lax) environmental protections.
> There's just no way the US can compete with them on price.
> I'm usually against tariffs, but not when it comes to our enemy, China.

They're not my enemy; we should mimic them.

Re: 200 % tariffs on Chinese EVs.

The global economy fell into the hot chamber pot when Trump said,
"We don't need Chiiina" & China replied, "We don't need America.".

We'd do well to mimic them (China).

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:10:00 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> You (ChrisV) replied ( to me ):
>> > China's hegemony in the global EV market boils down to: Affordable
>> > housing.
>>
>> Affordale [bad] health care. Affordable (lax) environmental
>> protections.
>> There's just no way the US can compete with them on price.
>> I'm usually against tariffs, but not when it comes to our enemy, China.
>
> They're not my enemy; we should mimic them.

That idea has some merit. In China if you're not Han you're not shit. The
US adaptation would need to use another ethnic group. Their treatment of
the Uyghurs could be a model for dealing with the 'newcomers'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_minorities_in_China

51 ethnic minorities and Han are still 91.9% of the population.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:52:44 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> The argument here is that China will simply pass on that tariff to the
> customer on the price of whatever it is they're selling. My hope is that
> they'll do exactly that so that customers no longer benefit from the
> lower price of cheap Chinese goods. If they're sold at the same price as
> goods from the Western world, nobody in their right mind would choose
> them.

If Walamrt couldn't sell cheap Chinese goods a sizable portion of the
population would be running around naked and hungry. The government has to
finely tune tariffs to protect favored industries while allowing cheap
commodities so hoi polloi don't realize how badly they are screwed.

Then there are the expensive Chinese goods like iPhones... It is
increasing difficult to find anything in any price range that is not made
in China. Back in the '70s and '80s our leaders decided a service economy
was much nicer than those nasty old smokestack industries and gave it all
away. By 'leaders' I mean both corporate CEOs and the politicians that
facilitated their attempts to increase profits with no regard to the
effect on the nation. After all, the pols well well paid for their
efforts.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:05:04 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> I haven't seen it like this since the VW Beetle.

When Hitler told Porsche and others to come up with a car for the masses
we got the KdF-agen. When the US government stuck their oar into the
automobile business we got EVs that the dealers can't give away.

https://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z17290/volkswagen-kdf-wagen.aspx

> Amazing what slave labor can do, e.g. pyramids.

You don't have to go that far.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_Mound

There are quite a few other impressive mounds in the southeast and I have
a suspicion that the people humping dirt around in baskets weren't doing
it for the sheer fun of it.

After the Europeans arrived the tribes in the southeast were still
enslaving other tribes. When they saw the white men importing Africans
they had an epiphany; Africans make much better slaves than Indians. When
the whites pointed the natives toward Oklahoma and told them to hit the
Trail of Tears they took their slaves with them. Unlike the whites the
Indians had fairly strict taboos against miscegenation.

rBowman: If Walamrt couldn't sell cheap Chinese goods a sizable portion
of the population would be running around naked and hungry.

As wonderful as that sounds, I still don't believe In tariffs.
The best seasoning is hunger.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:10:00 -0700 (Seattle), "Relf"
<Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote in <Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.16--7.10pm.Seattle.2024>:

> You (ChrisV) replied ( to me ):
>> > China's hegemony in the global EV market boils down to: Affordable
>> > housing.
>>
>> Affordale [bad] health care. Affordable (lax) environmental
>> protections.
>> There's just no way the US can compete with them on price.
>> I'm usually against tariffs, but not when it comes to our enemy, China.
>
> They're not my enemy; we should mimic them.

Authoritarian regimes with little regard for human rights
are not my cup of tea.

If you like the place so much, why not immigrate?

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc3 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"Gravity brings me down"

You (DistroMan) replied ( to me ):
> > China isn't my enemy; we should mimic them.
>
> Authoritarian regimes with little regard for human rights
> are not my cup of tea.
> If you like the place so much, why not immigrate ?

China hates Americans.
I'm too old to learn Chinese.
The pandemic destroyed me.

On 2024-08-16 10:10 p.m., Relf wrote:
> You (ChrisV) replied ( to me ):
>>> China's hegemony in the global EV market boils down to: Affordable housing.
>>
>> Affordale [bad] health care. Affordable (lax) environmental protections.
>> There's just no way the US can compete with them on price.
>> I'm usually against tariffs, but not when it comes to our enemy, China.
>
> They're not my enemy; we should mimic them.

Considering how people in my part of town live, I wouldn't be entirely
against a social credit score. They might finally make their stops, use
the appropriate traffic lanes and demonstrate common courtesy. Of
course, these things would also be possible if people converted to
Catholicism, attended church and learned to be humble.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-08-16 10:26 p.m., Relf wrote:
> Re: 200 % tariffs on Chinese EVs.
>
> The global economy fell into the hot chamber pot when Trump said,
> "We don't need Chiiina" & China replied, "We don't need America.".
>
> We'd do well to mimic them (China).

America only needs China if it intends to keep going with the push for
electric vehicles. Since some of the materials needed to produce the
batteries are found there exclusively, avoiding any kind of trade with
them if "environmentalism" is in your interests would be foolish. By
sticking to the internal combustion engine, it would indeed be possible
to avoid trade with them and to actually impoverish them through a
refusal to do so.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-08-16 11:45 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:52:44 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> The argument here is that China will simply pass on that tariff to the
>> customer on the price of whatever it is they're selling. My hope is that
>> they'll do exactly that so that customers no longer benefit from the
>> lower price of cheap Chinese goods. If they're sold at the same price as
>> goods from the Western world, nobody in their right mind would choose
>> them.
>
> If Walamrt couldn't sell cheap Chinese goods a sizable portion of the
> population would be running around naked and hungry.

Or they might be tempted into looking for a job. I've seen the kind of
garbage that goes to Walmart and I don't consider many of them
productive members of society.

> The government has to
> finely tune tariffs to protect favored industries while allowing cheap
> commodities so hoi polloi don't realize how badly they are screwed.
>
> Then there are the expensive Chinese goods like iPhones... It is
> increasing difficult to find anything in any price range that is not made
> in China. Back in the '70s and '80s our leaders decided a service economy
> was much nicer than those nasty old smokestack industries and gave it all
> away. By 'leaders' I mean both corporate CEOs and the politicians that
> facilitated their attempts to increase profits with no regard to the
> effect on the nation. After all, the pols well well paid for their
> efforts.

Blackberry used to produce their phones in North America, but then the
iPhone showed the world what could be and Johnny Dipshit decided that he
needed to spend his entire life on a phone.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-08-17 12:41 a.m., vallor wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:10:00 -0700 (Seattle), "Relf"
> <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote in <Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.16--7.10pm.Seattle.2024>:
>
>> You (ChrisV) replied ( to me ):
>>>> China's hegemony in the global EV market boils down to: Affordable
>>>> housing.
>>>
>>> Affordale [bad] health care. Affordable (lax) environmental
>>> protections.
>>> There's just no way the US can compete with them on price.
>>> I'm usually against tariffs, but not when it comes to our enemy, China.
>>
>> They're not my enemy; we should mimic them.
>
> Authoritarian regimes with little regard for human rights
> are not my cup of tea.
>
> If you like the place so much, why not immigrate?

Emigrate. <https://www.dictionary.com/browse/emigrate>

Immigrate is to come in, emigrate is to leave. I don't know why everyone
including the media keeps making that mistake.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-08-17 1:45 a.m., Relf wrote:
> You (DistroMan) replied ( to me ):
>>> China isn't my enemy; we should mimic them.
>>
>> Authoritarian regimes with little regard for human rights
>> are not my cup of tea.
>> If you like the place so much, why not immigrate ?
>
> China hates Americans.
> I'm too old to learn Chinese.
> The pandemic destroyed me.

Even the Chinese don't learn Chinese. You'd be learning Mandarin or
Cantonese.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

Uncle_Matuch:
> Blackberry used to produce their phones in North America, but then the
> iPhone showed the world what could be and Johnny Dipshit decided that he
> needed to spend his entire life [savings] on a phone.

How much did your phone cost ?

On 2024-08-17 9:23 a.m., Relf wrote:
> Uncle_Matuch:
>> Blackberry used to produce their phones in North America, but then the
>> iPhone showed the world what could be and Johnny Dipshit decided that he
>> needed to spend his entire life [savings] on a phone.
>
> How much did your phone cost ?

Unfortunately, when it was time to upgrade from my the LG G6 which was
no longer receiving updates and kept reminding me that I was insecure
through Google Pay (got it in 2018, it received its last update in 2019,
stopped using it in 2021), the only options my provider made available
to me were Androids and iPhones. It was between a Samsung, a Google, an
Apple or some obscure brand. I did my research and got an Apple because
it was the only brand allowing me to hold onto my phone for more than
two years in terms of updates. A few weeks after I got it, Samsung
announced that they would provide their phones with four years of
updates, so I guess I wasn't the only one annoyed with the two-year support.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-08-17 9:23 a.m., Relf wrote:
> Uncle_Matuch:
>> Blackberry used to produce their phones in North America, but then the
>> iPhone showed the world what could be and Johnny Dipshit decided that he
>> needed to spend his entire life [savings] on a phone.
>
> How much did your phone cost ?

Oh, I forgot to give you the price. It was $30 or so over two years.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:44:34 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> America only needs China if it intends to keep going with the push for
> electric vehicles. Since some of the materials needed to produce the
> batteries are found there exclusively, avoiding any kind of trade with
> them if "environmentalism" is in your interests would be foolish. By
> sticking to the internal combustion engine, it would indeed be possible
> to avoid trade with them and to actually impoverish them through a
> refusal to do so.

Look around you. How many items say 'Made in China'? Even the NRA's gimme
hats with a proud American flag are made in China.

As far as lithium, the US arguably has the largest deposits in the world.
As late as the '70s lithium was actively mined at Kings Mountain in North
Carolina. Like everything else in the '80s it was cheaper to mine lithium
in Chile.

https://grist.org/equity/electric-vehicles-north-carolina-lithium-mining-
albemarle/

The Thacker Pass area in Nevada is even a larger potential source. There
are problems in exploiting these resources. NIMBY, environmentalists,
Indians that think their grandfather camped there in 1850, and even
frigging NASA:

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2023/09/07/nasa-pushes-back-against-those-
tapping-into-u-s-lithium-reserves.html

Yttrium?

https://pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/mcs2022/mcs2022-yttrium.pdf

What happened to Mountain Pass?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Pass_mine

Same story, cheaper to source the materials from China. Even if it is
reborn the Chinese government has a 8% interest. How the hell did that
happen?

The US sold its birthright for a bowl of shekels and that goes way beyond
ICEs vs EVs.

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:41:27 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Considering how people in my part of town live, I wouldn't be entirely
> against a social credit score. They might finally make their stops, use
> the appropriate traffic lanes and demonstrate common courtesy. Of
> course, these things would also be possible if people converted to
> Catholicism, attended church and learned to be humble.

Yeah, sure. Most of my extended family were Catholic and I never noticed a
lot of humility.

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:55:58 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Or they might be tempted into looking for a job. I've seen the kind of
> garbage that goes to Walmart and I don't consider many of them
> productive members of society.

Considering what they pay illegal alien chicken pluckers at Tyson, they
couldn't even afford Walmart. I'm not sure Walmart workers can even afford
Walmart.

Personally Walmart is my store of last resort so I may visit once or twice
a year. It does tend to look like pork on parade so I guess the clientele
isn't going hungry at least.

> Blackberry used to produce their phones in North America, but then the
> iPhone showed the world what could be and Johnny Dipshit decided that he
> needed to spend his entire life on a phone.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreycarr/2011/01/13/do-you-know-who-
manufactured-your-blackberry/

Maybe 'assembled in North America' but I'm not certain about that. Perhaps
the rebooted Blackberry will be better although I'd bet on Vietnam or
India rather than onshore.

https://www.engadget.com/5g-blackberry-keyboard-global-flagship-american-
made-peter-franklin-175112005.html