On 2024-10-25 5:26 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-23, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 09:09:09 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> Considering who lives in places like Los Angeles and New York City, I
>>> don't see why anyone would be willing to give them as much power as they
>>> want.
>>
>> Why should the value of your vote depend on where you live?
>
> Because each state is sovereign and they entered into the Union with
> specific guarantees. Constitutionally the Federal Government is supposed to
> be limited to only a few powers, like defense of the country and a national
> post office. The states are supposed to hold the bulk of the authority over
> their citizens. It would be (and is in practice) tyranny when the Federal
> government oversteps its limitations.

The stupid want the federal government to have powers that supercede
those of states. In many cases, they already have what they want.
Unfortunately, the very fact that they are stupid means that they don't
see how the centralization of power would no less destructive in the
21st century as it was in the Roman Empire.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

On 2024-10-25 6:24 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-23 2:56 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 08:56:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-10-22 12:43 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 21:37:36 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Even the dumbest citizen knows that it wouldn't make sense for the
>>>>>> presidency to be decided by the metropolises of the country ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve heard that nonsense from countless supporters of the
>>>>> Dumbfuckistani voting system, and I still don’t understand it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don’t you take it as “self-evident” that all your people are created
>>>>> equal? If so, why shouldn’t their votes count equally too?
>>>>
>>>> Because the very nature of agriculture means that it would be impossible
>>>> for states doing the real work to have as many people as the areas where
>>>> people collect welfare.
>>>
>>> If you mean “large cities”, those are in fact the backbone of your
>>> economy. The US isn’t an agrarian society any more.
>>>
>>> Why should the value of someone’s vote depend on where they live?
>>
>> If the people in those "large cities" do not receive food, what will
>> happen to them? None of them would even know where to start if food
>> became scarce since they have no useful survival skills.
>>
>> The reason the value of someone's vote means more is because unlike you
>> progressives, the forefathers understood how agriculture works. Also,
>> they knew that smart asses like you would starve without the labour of
>> people who work on farms.
>
> Farming is not an "industry," but it's as close to industry as we now have
> in the U.S. The parasites and money changers in the big cities certainly
> aren't producing the necessary goods needed for their citizens to survive.
> They just eating up a disproportionate share of the wealth. Federal taxes
> that come from the blue collar workers in the "fly-over" states, end up in
> the gaping maw of the parasites in the cities.

If welfare were used correctly, it would end up in the hands of the
farmers who don't always make enough to live by. Not one of the useless
people in the city whose only pastime seems to be to procreate should
ever have a right to it.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

On 2024-10-25 6:32 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 12:53:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-10-23 2:56 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you mean “large cities”, those are in fact the backbone of your
>>>> economy. The US isn’t an agrarian society any more.
>>>>
>>>> Why should the value of someone’s vote depend on where they live?
>>>
>>> If the people in those "large cities" do not receive food, what will
>>> happen to them?
>>
>> They won’t be able to make the machines that the farmers use to farm their
>> crops. There would be no electricity generation or fuel supply, no
>> manufacturing of farmhouses, no laying of roads for the trucks to supply
>> feed and fertilizer and seed and take away produce. Nobody to pay the
>> farmers. Nobody to educate them on how to grow their crops.
>>
>> The whole system collapses.
>
> Do you really think the electricity generation is done in the cities? Do you
> really think seeds and fertilizer come from the cities? (Fertilizer from
> what... pigeons?) Do you really think the material to build roads and the
> workers who build them come from the cities? Good grief.
>
> I didn't think it was possible for anyone to be so damned clueless about
> reality.
>
> As for iron... that comes from China now. Our parasite government has
> managed to all but destroy Detroit and the steel industry. What cars we
> still build i the United States are done more and more in rural areas, like
> the Carolinas and Tennessee. Go back to the 1940s and you might have a
> point.

What China has done to steel is a crime which should also serve as a
reminder that relying on outside nations for your goods is suicidal. To
give you an idea, the tunnel between Montreal and its south shore is
being renovated. However, the new cement used is already cracking. Why?
Because it isn't the same kind of cement that we used decades ago; it's
coming from elsewhere and the quality is shit. I'm convinced that it's
not different with the cement my home's builder used when he made the
tunnel between houses here. In the case of Chinese steel, the quality
isn't there at all in the best of cases. In the worst, you have a
fraction of the steel being covered by a plastic shell to make it _look_
like it is the same thing as what was used in the past. This is the
stuff they're building bridges with and it will definitely result in the
death of countless people. China doesn't care, but why doesn't the
United States?

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

On 2024-10-25 6:49 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 09:03:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-10-24 1:35 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 12:53:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If the people in those "large cities" do not receive food, what will
>>>>> happen to them?
>>>>
>>>> They won’t be able to make the machines that the farmers use to farm
>>>> their crops. There would be no electricity generation or fuel supply,
>>>> no manufacturing of farmhouses, no laying of roads for the trucks to
>>>> supply feed and fertilizer and seed and take away produce. Nobody to
>>>> pay the farmers. Nobody to educate them on how to grow their crops.
>>>>
>>>> The whole system collapses.
>>>
>>> City people don't have a monopoly on he production of machines.
>>
>> Machines, including farming machines, are complicated things. Most of the
>> modern ones need to be built with the help of other machines. There need
>> to be support machines for transport (of raw materials, workers, finished
>> products), fuelling, communications etc. And for keeping track of orders
>> and shipments and payments and all that. This is why you don’t see big
>> factories out in the middle of corn fields.
>
> And these machines that make machines aren't made in the cities. When you
> don't what the hell you're talking about, maybe you should just slink away
> and lick your wounds.
>
>> Anyway, getting back to the point: why should the value of your vote
>> depend on where you live? If you believe that all your citizens are
>> “created equal”, then shouldn’t their votes count equally, too?
>
> Because it's done on a state by state level and the votes are equal in each
> state. And the only reason the Electoral College is not completely equal is
> that each state gets two electoral votes, one for each Senator. But many
> states have only one or two Electoral votes based on their representation in
> the House. So New York has 30 Electoral votes. Vermont, Delaware, Wyoming,
> North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, West Virginia, Rhode Island and New
> Hampshire (all together) have 30 votes. That's nine states out 50 who have
> the influence in the presidential race as one state, New York. This is your
> "outsize" advantage? You're clueless. Stick to what you know. I wouldn't
> lecture on the stupidity of the government of New Zealand. Stick your nose
> in your own business.
>
> BTW, you've been told over and over again why the Electoral College is set
> up the way it is. Quit droning on like a broken record about it.
>
> If Trump wins, he'll probalby win both the popular vote and the electoral
> vote anyhow. Than what are you going to whine aobut? You don't change the
> rules midstream.

The stupid are no better than children which is probably why they always
have temper tantrums whenever anything political doesn't go their way.
Much like children, they will use strawmen and cheat to get what they
want too.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

On 2024-10-25 7:07 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> Lawrence the crank, ranted on about the Electoral College again. Apparently
> he doesn't have anything else to do.

I gave up looking for intelligence in that sentient being. He's in the
same filter as the other members of stupid.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

On 10/24/2024 7:09 PM, Joel wrote:

> redneck states

Like every ignoramus in America you mean southern states, right?

How about we compare Georgia to Michigan (from a post I made here 3
years ago):

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Population (land size in square miles)
GA: 10.6M (59K)
MI: 10.0M (58K)
https://www.infoplease.com/us/states/state-population-by-rank

---------------------------------------------------------------------

median household income:
GA: $58.8K
MI: $56.7K

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_income

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Feb 2021 Unemployment:
GA: 4.8%
MI: 5.2%
https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

---------------------------------------------------------------------

States with the most Fortune 500 headquarters
GA: 18
MI: 16

https://www.selectgeorgia.com/documents/366/Fortune_500_Pub_Aug2019.pdf

---------------------------------------------------------------------
State Rankings
https://www.usnews.com/media/best-states/overall-rankings-2021.pdf

Overall
GA: #18
MI: #38

health care
GA: 43
MI: 35

education
GA: 26
MI: 38

economy
GA: 12
MI: 29

Infrastructure
GA: 11
MI: 35

Opportunity
GA: 13
MI: 5

fiscal stability
GA: 11
MI: 38

crime
GA: 29
MI: 30

natural environment
GA: 25
MI: 32
---------------------------------------------------------------------

whoops. You smug, delusional Yankees can't beat us 'rednecks'? Why not?

On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-10-25 5:09 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-24, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-24 2:15 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-23 2:37 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 11:33:58 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You(rBowman)Replied(to Crump):
>>>>>>>>>> "We" who don't vote for the collapse of civilization, if I have to
>>>>>>>>>> spell it out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have already voted. Let the collapse begin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you vote for trump ?
>>>>>>>> I thought people here skipped that box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. They'll be having hockey playoffs in hell before
>>>>>>> Montana goes to Harris. The interesting stuff was down ticket,
>>>>>>> particularly the Senate race.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Same with Idaho — I think most of the Califorians who are moving here are
>>>>>> coming here to get away from California.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, most of them have learned nothing and will vote for the
>>>>> people who will implement the same kind of idiocy in their next location.
>>>>
>>>> So far it hasn't been working out that way.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Let's hope it remains that way. I've been told that Texas would be a
>>> utopia for me (by someone who used to live there). I wouldn't want it to
>>> change if that is indeed the case.
>>
>> If you like heat and humidity you would love Texas. I lived there. I'm not
>> anxious to ever return.
>
> I'm already used to the humidity here in Quebec. We have short summers
> but they're very uncomfortable without air conditioning or a swimming
> pool. I'm sure I could manage there too.

I don't know about swimming pools, but air conditioners are pretty much a
staple in Texas.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-10-25 5:26 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-23, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 09:09:09 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> Considering who lives in places like Los Angeles and New York City, I
>>>> don't see why anyone would be willing to give them as much power as they
>>>> want.
>>>
>>> Why should the value of your vote depend on where you live?
>>
>> Because each state is sovereign and they entered into the Union with
>> specific guarantees. Constitutionally the Federal Government is supposed to
>> be limited to only a few powers, like defense of the country and a national
>> post office. The states are supposed to hold the bulk of the authority over
>> their citizens. It would be (and is in practice) tyranny when the Federal
>> government oversteps its limitations.
>
> The stupid want the federal government to have powers that supercede
> those of states. In many cases, they already have what they want.
> Unfortunately, the very fact that they are stupid means that they don't
> see how the centralization of power would no less destructive in the
> 21st century as it was in the Roman Empire.

The U.S. founders were well aware of the dangers of a tyrannical central
government. That's why they allowed gun ownership and checks and balances in
the Constitution, freedom of speech and religion.

Unfortunately it seems like the Woke get some kind of strange pleasure out
of kowtowing to tyrants. I guess control freaks like being control freaked.
I don't know why they would, but that seems kind of sick to me.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-10-25 6:32 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 12:53:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-10-23 2:56 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you mean “large cities”, those are in fact the backbone of your
>>>>> economy. The US isn’t an agrarian society any more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should the value of someone’s vote depend on where they live?
>>>>
>>>> If the people in those "large cities" do not receive food, what will
>>>> happen to them?
>>>
>>> They won’t be able to make the machines that the farmers use to farm their
>>> crops. There would be no electricity generation or fuel supply, no
>>> manufacturing of farmhouses, no laying of roads for the trucks to supply
>>> feed and fertilizer and seed and take away produce. Nobody to pay the
>>> farmers. Nobody to educate them on how to grow their crops.
>>>
>>> The whole system collapses.
>>
>> Do you really think the electricity generation is done in the cities? Do you
>> really think seeds and fertilizer come from the cities? (Fertilizer from
>> what... pigeons?) Do you really think the material to build roads and the
>> workers who build them come from the cities? Good grief.
>>
>> I didn't think it was possible for anyone to be so damned clueless about
>> reality.
>>
>> As for iron... that comes from China now. Our parasite government has
>> managed to all but destroy Detroit and the steel industry. What cars we
>> still build i the United States are done more and more in rural areas, like
>> the Carolinas and Tennessee. Go back to the 1940s and you might have a
>> point.
>
> What China has done to steel is a crime which should also serve as a
> reminder that relying on outside nations for your goods is suicidal. To
> give you an idea, the tunnel between Montreal and its south shore is
> being renovated. However, the new cement used is already cracking. Why?
> Because it isn't the same kind of cement that we used decades ago; it's
> coming from elsewhere and the quality is shit. I'm convinced that it's
> not different with the cement my home's builder used when he made the
> tunnel between houses here. In the case of Chinese steel, the quality
> isn't there at all in the best of cases. In the worst, you have a
> fraction of the steel being covered by a plastic shell to make it _look_
> like it is the same thing as what was used in the past. This is the
> stuff they're building bridges with and it will definitely result in the
> death of countless people. China doesn't care, but why doesn't the
> United States?

I don't doubt it.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-10-25 6:49 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 09:03:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-10-24 1:35 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 12:53:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If the people in those "large cities" do not receive food, what will
>>>>>> happen to them?
>>>>>
>>>>> They won’t be able to make the machines that the farmers use to farm
>>>>> their crops. There would be no electricity generation or fuel supply,
>>>>> no manufacturing of farmhouses, no laying of roads for the trucks to
>>>>> supply feed and fertilizer and seed and take away produce. Nobody to
>>>>> pay the farmers. Nobody to educate them on how to grow their crops.
>>>>>
>>>>> The whole system collapses.
>>>>
>>>> City people don't have a monopoly on he production of machines.
>>>
>>> Machines, including farming machines, are complicated things. Most of the
>>> modern ones need to be built with the help of other machines. There need
>>> to be support machines for transport (of raw materials, workers, finished
>>> products), fuelling, communications etc. And for keeping track of orders
>>> and shipments and payments and all that. This is why you don’t see big
>>> factories out in the middle of corn fields.
>>
>> And these machines that make machines aren't made in the cities. When you
>> don't what the hell you're talking about, maybe you should just slink away
>> and lick your wounds.
>>
>>> Anyway, getting back to the point: why should the value of your vote
>>> depend on where you live? If you believe that all your citizens are
>>> “created equal”, then shouldn’t their votes count equally, too?
>>
>> Because it's done on a state by state level and the votes are equal in each
>> state. And the only reason the Electoral College is not completely equal is
>> that each state gets two electoral votes, one for each Senator. But many
>> states have only one or two Electoral votes based on their representation in
>> the House. So New York has 30 Electoral votes. Vermont, Delaware, Wyoming,
>> North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, West Virginia, Rhode Island and New
>> Hampshire (all together) have 30 votes. That's nine states out 50 who have
>> the influence in the presidential race as one state, New York. This is your
>> "outsize" advantage? You're clueless. Stick to what you know. I wouldn't
>> lecture on the stupidity of the government of New Zealand. Stick your nose
>> in your own business.
>>
>> BTW, you've been told over and over again why the Electoral College is set
>> up the way it is. Quit droning on like a broken record about it.
>>
>> If Trump wins, he'll probalby win both the popular vote and the electoral
>> vote anyhow. Than what are you going to whine aobut? You don't change the
>> rules midstream.
>
> The stupid are no better than children which is probably why they always
> have temper tantrums whenever anything political doesn't go their way.
> Much like children, they will use strawmen and cheat to get what they
> want too.

They never grew up. They run completely on emotion. Now Trump is supposedly
"Hitler." What next, Stalin and Mousie Dung? Or a three-headed combination
of all of them? Their strident, unhinged bullshit is not helping their
cause.

I find it amusing (and a bit strange) that both the Los Angeles Times and
the Washington Post have refused to endorse Kamala Harris. Two of the most
Woke newspapers in the country. I don't think Lawrence is going to have to
worry about the popular vote and Electoral College splitting in this
election, unless there is a WHOLE lot of cheating going on.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

>> redneck states
>
>Like every ignoramus in America you mean southern states, right?
>
>How about we compare Georgia to Michigan (from a post I made here 3
>years ago):
>
>whoops. You smug, delusional Yankees can't beat us 'rednecks'? Why not?

Um, you do remember that Biden won GA, right? I wouldn't so much call
your region "redneck" in this context, as it happens. There are
people in my state like that, they just aren't in control, but some of
these three-electoral-vote states are controlled by them, and that
fucks over DC.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:28:32 -0400, Joel wrote:

> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>
>>> redneck states
>>
>>Like every ignoramus in America you mean southern states, right?
>>
>>How about we compare Georgia to Michigan (from a post I made here 3
>>years ago):
>>
>>whoops. You smug, delusional Yankees can't beat us 'rednecks'? Why
>>not?
>
>
> Um, you do remember that Biden won GA, right? I wouldn't so much call
> your region "redneck" in this context, as it happens. There are people
> in my state like that, they just aren't in control, but some of these
> three-electoral-vote states are controlled by them, and that fucks over
> DC.

You can't be talking about Montana. We've got a whopping 4 EC votes now!
oorc it was NY's loss of population that freed up a seat. The
apportionment algorithm is anything but straightforward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bplt6CQ3MyE

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 18:05:21 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I find it amusing (and a bit strange) that both the Los Angeles Times
> and the Washington Post have refused to endorse Kamala Harris. Two of
> the most Woke newspapers in the country. I don't think Lawrence is going
> to have to worry about the popular vote and Electoral College splitting
> in this election, unless there is a WHOLE lot of cheating going on.

I read that about the Post this morning and was surprised. The editor was
getting ready to endorse her when the word came down from Bezos. Given the
papers leftward drift since he bought it he can't be worried about losing
subscribers and I doubt that many people make the connection from the Post
to Bezos to Amazon that it would trigger an Amazon boycott.

Soon-Shiong was the one who shot down the LA Times endorsement and that's
less surprising even though he was a Clinton donor. He's a pharma guy and
Harris may make him nervous.

https://www.newser.com/story/358392/lat-loses-subscribers-more-staff-
after-endorsement-uproar.html

He cried himself to sleep when Mark Hamil unsubscribed.

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 10:50:25 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> On 2024-10-24, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 05:35:00 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 12:53:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-10-23 2:56 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you mean “large cities”, those are in fact the backbone of your
>>>>> economy. The US isn’t an agrarian society any more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should the value of someone’s vote depend on where they live?
>>>>
>>>> If the people in those "large cities" do not receive food, what will
>>>> happen to them?
>>>
>>> They won’t be able to make the machines that the farmers use to farm
>>> their crops. There would be no electricity generation or fuel supply,
>>> no manufacturing of farmhouses, no laying of roads for the trucks to
>>> supply feed and fertilizer and seed and take away produce. Nobody to
>>> pay the farmers. Nobody to educate them on how to grow their crops.
>>>
>>> The whole system collapses.
>>
>> You are so fucking ignorant it's pathetic. Do you really think they
>> manufacture tractors in New York City, Baltimore, or LA? Harvest the
>> lumber needed to build houses? Drill wells for oil and gas? Mine coal?
>
> I don't think he's ever done any real work in his whole life.

As usual he is talking out of his ass. When I took a break from
programming in the '90s I drove OTR and went to all of the lower 48 except
Vermont and Maine, as well as western Canada. I know where I picked up
manufactured goods or agricultural products and where I took them.

Trucking is sort of like a chess game. When you get a good paying load
going from Point A to Point B you're also looking ahead to how you're
going the get a load from Point B. Shippers aren't stupid and realize if
the loads going out are scarce they can pay less than the actual cost if
the trucking company wants to get the truck moving. For example I've
brought a lot of carpet to Denver, either from the mills in GA or imports
from the LA ports. About the only thing leaving Denver is dog food from
the Ralston Purina plant. (or people food. It sort of worried me that the
forklifts came from the same direction).

Particularly in the big eastern cities you'd bounce (run empty) several
hundred miles to get a load. Take carpet to Brooklyn and you find there is
absolutely nothing shipped out of Brooklyn. You need to get to rural PA.]

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:28:32 -0400, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>
>>>> redneck states
>>>
>>>Like every ignoramus in America you mean southern states, right?
>>>
>>>How about we compare Georgia to Michigan (from a post I made here 3
>>>years ago):
>>>
>>>whoops. You smug, delusional Yankees can't beat us 'rednecks'? Why
>>>not?
>>
>> Um, you do remember that Biden won GA, right? I wouldn't so much call
>> your region "redneck" in this context, as it happens. There are people
>> in my state like that, they just aren't in control, but some of these
>> three-electoral-vote states are controlled by them, and that fucks over
>> DC.
>
>You can't be talking about Montana. We've got a whopping 4 EC votes now!
>oorc it was NY's loss of population that freed up a seat. The
>apportionment algorithm is anything but straightforward.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bplt6CQ3MyE

Zooey Zephyr is from MT, so, I have some hope for it.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 10:58:18 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Do tell me, "genius," what is involved with this "full complexity of
> urban infrastructure" in the lumber industry (besides lazy parasites and
> money changers who get fat and rich off the work of real men)? You
> haven't got a clue, do you?

Well, there was that sawmill in Yonkers -- in 1650.

https://ny.curbed.com/2016/12/15/13963898/yonkers-saw-mill-river-photo-
essay

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 06:10:33 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Good, so Marco Rubio can fuck off when he talks about "federal law needs
> to be enforced" on cannabis. Oh, but he's a Republican! How
> interesting.

Yup. He best stay out of this redneck state.

https://weedmaps.com/dispensaries/in/united-states/montana/missoula

There is a long list of 'Republicans' that can fuck off for that matter.

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 05:47:18 -0400, Joel wrote:

> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>>> It's not about finishing this term, it's about starting another one.
>>> He's OK, for the moment.
>>
>>He's okay to handle potential wars on two or three fronts when he can't
>>remember where he is? Are we going to put world events on hold for a few
>>months while he staggers on?
>
>
> Is that your pitch to get hired writing political satire sketches?

Nah, I leave that to another Montanan:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Garrison

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 09:09:48 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> If you like heat and humidity you would love Texas. I lived there. I'm
> not anxious to ever return.

Humidity? Ever been in Midland? I liked the Confederate Air Force museum
but they seemed to have moved to Dallas and gotten woke. I suppose the
planes didn't change but still...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 08:54:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> I'm already used to the humidity here in Quebec. We have short summers
> but they're very uncomfortable without air conditioning or a swimming
> pool. I'm sure I could manage there too.

Maybe. I grew up in upstate NY but I still had the feeling I should have
gills when in the Houston area. It's one step removed from the Louisiana
swamps.

In truth, I think gills are a valuable accessory anyplace east of the
100th meridian.

On 2024-10-25 1:58 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-25 5:26 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-23, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 09:09:09 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Considering who lives in places like Los Angeles and New York City, I
>>>>> don't see why anyone would be willing to give them as much power as they
>>>>> want.
>>>>
>>>> Why should the value of your vote depend on where you live?
>>>
>>> Because each state is sovereign and they entered into the Union with
>>> specific guarantees. Constitutionally the Federal Government is supposed to
>>> be limited to only a few powers, like defense of the country and a national
>>> post office. The states are supposed to hold the bulk of the authority over
>>> their citizens. It would be (and is in practice) tyranny when the Federal
>>> government oversteps its limitations.
>>
>> The stupid want the federal government to have powers that supercede
>> those of states. In many cases, they already have what they want.
>> Unfortunately, the very fact that they are stupid means that they don't
>> see how the centralization of power would no less destructive in the
>> 21st century as it was in the Roman Empire.
>
> The U.S. founders were well aware of the dangers of a tyrannical central
> government. That's why they allowed gun ownership and checks and balances in
> the Constitution, freedom of speech and religion.
>
> Unfortunately it seems like the Woke get some kind of strange pleasure out
> of kowtowing to tyrants. I guess control freaks like being control freaked.
> I don't know why they would, but that seems kind of sick to me.

It is almost as though they were already well aware that with great
comfort comes great stupidity. Those Romans also allowed their empire to
crumble when they got too comfortable. As barbarians waited at their
borders to slaughter them all, Romans fornicated.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

On 2024-10-25 2:05 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-25 6:49 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 09:03:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-10-24 1:35 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 12:53:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the people in those "large cities" do not receive food, what will
>>>>>>> happen to them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They won’t be able to make the machines that the farmers use to farm
>>>>>> their crops. There would be no electricity generation or fuel supply,
>>>>>> no manufacturing of farmhouses, no laying of roads for the trucks to
>>>>>> supply feed and fertilizer and seed and take away produce. Nobody to
>>>>>> pay the farmers. Nobody to educate them on how to grow their crops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The whole system collapses.
>>>>>
>>>>> City people don't have a monopoly on he production of machines.
>>>>
>>>> Machines, including farming machines, are complicated things. Most of the
>>>> modern ones need to be built with the help of other machines. There need
>>>> to be support machines for transport (of raw materials, workers, finished
>>>> products), fuelling, communications etc. And for keeping track of orders
>>>> and shipments and payments and all that. This is why you don’t see big
>>>> factories out in the middle of corn fields.
>>>
>>> And these machines that make machines aren't made in the cities. When you
>>> don't what the hell you're talking about, maybe you should just slink away
>>> and lick your wounds.
>>>
>>>> Anyway, getting back to the point: why should the value of your vote
>>>> depend on where you live? If you believe that all your citizens are
>>>> “created equal”, then shouldn’t their votes count equally, too?
>>>
>>> Because it's done on a state by state level and the votes are equal in each
>>> state. And the only reason the Electoral College is not completely equal is
>>> that each state gets two electoral votes, one for each Senator. But many
>>> states have only one or two Electoral votes based on their representation in
>>> the House. So New York has 30 Electoral votes. Vermont, Delaware, Wyoming,
>>> North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, West Virginia, Rhode Island and New
>>> Hampshire (all together) have 30 votes. That's nine states out 50 who have
>>> the influence in the presidential race as one state, New York. This is your
>>> "outsize" advantage? You're clueless. Stick to what you know. I wouldn't
>>> lecture on the stupidity of the government of New Zealand. Stick your nose
>>> in your own business.
>>>
>>> BTW, you've been told over and over again why the Electoral College is set
>>> up the way it is. Quit droning on like a broken record about it.
>>>
>>> If Trump wins, he'll probalby win both the popular vote and the electoral
>>> vote anyhow. Than what are you going to whine aobut? You don't change the
>>> rules midstream.
>>
>> The stupid are no better than children which is probably why they always
>> have temper tantrums whenever anything political doesn't go their way.
>> Much like children, they will use strawmen and cheat to get what they
>> want too.
>
> They never grew up. They run completely on emotion. Now Trump is supposedly
> "Hitler." What next, Stalin and Mousie Dung? Or a three-headed combination
> of all of them? Their strident, unhinged bullshit is not helping their
> cause.
>
> I find it amusing (and a bit strange) that both the Los Angeles Times and
> the Washington Post have refused to endorse Kamala Harris. Two of the most
> Woke newspapers in the country. I don't think Lawrence is going to have to
> worry about the popular vote and Electoral College splitting in this
> election, unless there is a WHOLE lot of cheating going on.

It sounds to me like even the stupid publications of the world can't
stomach the Frankenstein they've created and find Harris to embody an
unacceptable level of stupid.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>>>> It's not about finishing this term, it's about starting another one.
>>>> He's OK, for the moment.
>>>
>>>He's okay to handle potential wars on two or three fronts when he can't
>>>remember where he is? Are we going to put world events on hold for a few
>>>months while he staggers on?
>>
>> Is that your pitch to get hired writing political satire sketches?
>
>Nah, I leave that to another Montanan:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Garrison

Christ, he sounds like a real Jack Chick kind of figure.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>On 2024-10-24 7:21 p.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 10/24/2024 7:09 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 23 Oct 2024 19:46:30 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Washington DC gets 3 votes despite not being a state.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder why there is so much opposition to it becoming a state ...
>>>>
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_Voting_Rights_Amendment>
>>>
>>> It would be a black-plurality, highly safely Democratic state, so the
>>> redneck states will never agree to it.
>>
>> No wonder you identify with jigaboos; you're an irresponsible
>> welfare-sucker that's high all the time, just like them.
>
>And just as stupid.

I run circles around you, dummy.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:47:28 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Zooey Zephyr is from MT, so, I have some hope for it.

Zooey was elected by the bluest district in town, mostly populated by
college types and was good for comic relief.

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/26/1172158461/montana-gop-transgender-zooey-
zephyr-punishment-banned-speaking-lgbtq

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/trans-montana-rep-zooey-zephyr-
proposes-girlfriend-queer-prom-rcna83377

This isn't Laramie.