On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 08:00:31 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Who manufacture's the most computers?
>
> China is the world's leading manufacturer of computers, producing
> over 90% of the world's computers:

You probably could say the same about sneakers or damn near anything else.

On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 12:53:34 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> So relying on China for our computers is a "good thing?" You might want
> to tell your buddy in the White House to tone down his anti-China
> rhetoric then. It's going to be pretty hard to fight China if we depend
> on them to build just about thing we would use in any war effort.

There's a bigger problem than that. What happens when the cheap Chinese
imports at Walmart that allow a significant portion of the population to
think they're doing fine dry up?

On 04 Oct 2024 21:10:22 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> Le 01-10-2024, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
>>
>
> And you, for a fact. I'm sure I saw you sent a message here about your
> issues with ntp.
>

I've never had issues with ntp. You are, like cheap AI, hallucinating.

Here is the script I use at each and every boot to set my clock:

#! /bin/bash
openrdate -4 -v -n pool.ntp.org
hwclock --systohc --utc --noadjfile

You could not even understand this script because you are an incompetent
imbecile.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 09:05:22 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> He is also full of shit. The 90% number is only accurate if Taiwan is
> considered to be a part of China. As we know, the Taiwanese don't want
> to be considered a part of that regime. That country contains the
> remnants of pre-Communist China; they want nothing to do with the
> ideology or the mainland.

If you go back to the Kuomintang and Sun Yat-sen it was more which flavor
of Communists won the civil war.

On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 20:47:30 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> You know how you get summoned because some machine is acting up? And the
> user swears blind that “nothing has changed”? But you pull up the
> previous snapshot of the config, do a diff against the current version,
> and ... “Aha! You *did* change something!”. And you change it back. And
> all is well.

That's never, never happened. In my experience I can remember exactly
once where a client apologized after swearing, rather literally, that
nothing had be changed on his end.

On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 20:49:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> As a software developer (and sometime documentation writer), I wonder
> how non-programmers can manage without version control. How do they keep
> track of changes? How do multiple contributors collaborate on a single
> document?

https://eeperry.wordpress.com/2014/01/15/libreoffice-version-control/

It's not exactly Subversion but it's better than nothing, I guess.

On 04 Oct 2024 21:06:49 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> In fact, it's difficult. If you are alone and disconnected of the rest
> of the world, you don't care about the time drift. But as soon as you
> plug your computer on Internet, a time shift will be an issue. And if
> the drift is important and you just fetch it from time to time, you will
> be inaccurate timestamps and your experience will be very bad. So it has
> to be done carefully.

If a LAN is disconnected drift can be a problem. Our log file have a line
like

[Thu Sep 05 15:27:45.979111 2024 (0.007612)] (pid = 10876) (fd = 14)
attach.c:3740

for each entry. The logs can be busy and show interactions from several
machines. If A says it sent a message at hu Sep 05 15:25:37.979111 2024
but is a couple of seconds off from B finding the corresponding entry when
B received the message can be difficult.

In a Windows environment the primary domain controller will synch all
machines on the domain but iirc the default period is quite long. The best
setup is for the PDC to connect to a ntp server.

At work I mount my source tree on the server with the compiler and often
see messages about clock skew and file timestamps in the future. Annoying,
but not a show stopper.

On 04 Oct 2024 21:18:22 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> No, it isn't. I have 30 years of experience of Linux command line. I
> learned them a long time ago and still use them now. For MS Office,
> every time there is an update, everything is messed up, I don't find
> anything and I have to learn it from the start again.

I don't use Office but for a while it seemed like every Visual Studio
update had gratuitous changes to make life difficult. Then there was the
OS change when 'Programs and Features' became 'Add or Remove Programs'
seemingly just for the hell of it.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>On 04 Oct 2024 21:18:22 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> No, it isn't. I have 30 years of experience of Linux command line. I
>> learned them a long time ago and still use them now. For MS Office,
>> every time there is an update, everything is messed up, I don't find
>> anything and I have to learn it from the start again.
>
>I don't use Office but for a while it seemed like every Visual Studio
>update had gratuitous changes to make life difficult. Then there was the
>OS change when 'Programs and Features' became 'Add or Remove Programs'
>seemingly just for the hell of it.

I find it interesting how Microsoft's stuff that's actually for Linux
is pretty nice. As with their Mac stuff. It's like you have the
potential for semi-good with Winblows (but not really), but when you
are running MS Linux stuff, it's their code but governed by Unix, they
would never Disney someone else's OS, so Edge is just a passable
browser, worth using at least for M$'s Web stuff, Visual Studio Code
is a nifty programmer's editor for GCC, I mean it may seem ironic to
use a Microsoft editor but I appreciate irony, it makes sense, a
commercial developer would likely make a higher-end app, your code is
still compiled and compliant with Linux standards.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-10-04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 09:05:22 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> The 90% number is only accurate if Taiwan is considered to be a part of
>> China.
>
> Fun fact: the two are closely intertwined economically. And that has been
> the case going back decades, with investment money from Taiwan (and Hong
> Kong) going into Shenzhen etc.
>
> Politically, the two couldn’t be further apart. But in terms of doing
> business, they couldn’t be closer together.

This is true. If you're old enough, you'll remember that products that used
to say "Made In Taiwan" almost immediately started reading "Made in China"
after the U.S. started trading with China again. Before that time, Chinese
goods were made in China, shipped to Taiwan and then shipped to the United
States. But there are still some Taiwanese companies, like Asus. But I think
most of their stuff is made in mainland China anyhow.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-04, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 12:53:34 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> So relying on China for our computers is a "good thing?" You might want
>> to tell your buddy in the White House to tone down his anti-China
>> rhetoric then. It's going to be pretty hard to fight China if we depend
>> on them to build just about thing we would use in any war effort.
>
> There's a bigger problem than that. What happens when the cheap Chinese
> imports at Walmart that allow a significant portion of the population to
> think they're doing fine dry up?

True. But I'm thinking specifically of war rhetoric with a country who
supplies just about everything we need to fight a war.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-04, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-10-04 9:05 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-03 5:44 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-02, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-02 9:12 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-02, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-10-02 8:23 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-02, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-01 4:40 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/1/2024 2:51 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 08:58:44 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree. I've repeatedly decided to throw myself head first into an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience that was solely Linux only to find out that there were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be certain issues. I had serious slowdowns and screen tearing in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with gaming, I had random freezes in the last year, I've had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspend/wake issues throughout and in the last year (the only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owned which never had this problem with Linux is my 2006 Dell).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't hard to find. One must really be dedicated to the idea of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rid of Windows to disregard them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fuck you, imbecile!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Millions use GNU/Linux and the only ones who have problems are the
>>>>>>>>>>> brain-dead, retarded asshole like you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "I have serious problems with GNU/Linux from time to time and it's
>>>>>>>>>> always a bit of a struggle trying to get things back on track."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Feeb, March 2018
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I never expect Linux advocates to tell the truth. In Feeb's case, I
>>>>>>>>> don't expect anything at all since all of his nyms are filtered. Wasting
>>>>>>>>> even five seconds reading his garbage is too much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I never expect anti-Linux FUDsters to ever tell the truth about Linux. Their
>>>>>>>> "goto tactic" is to call Linux advocates liars. I don't lie, but I guess
>>>>>>>> they anti-Linux FUDsters are projecting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're probably the only one here who doesn't exaggerate how great Linux
>>>>>>> is. You might not face the same problems that I do, but at least you
>>>>>>> concede that it is possible that they would happen. That's already a lot
>>>>>>> more than most Linux advocates. Most will deny that a problem exists and
>>>>>>> insult you for having experienced it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've seen that with some Linux "advocates" as well. I don't get it. There is
>>>>>> no "one size fits all." I don't even try to convince my wife or kids to use
>>>>>> Linux because what they want or need isn't really available (or as readily
>>>>>> available) in Linux (Windows games for my kids and Microsoft Office and
>>>>>> (now) AI crap for my wife).
>>>>>
>>>>> They've used Microsoft Office as an excuse to stick to Windows for so
>>>>> long that it's become boring. Other than DFS, I don't think anyone
>>>>> realistically needs what the suite offers. Sure, it's better for some
>>>>> and you won't fall into compatibility issues when your friends or
>>>>> colleagues send you their documents, but that's about as good as it
>>>>> realistically gets. Office's web interface used through Linux or
>>>>> LibreOffice will do its job quite well, especially when you factor in
>>>>> that it cost you nothing to try.
>>>>
>>>> For text editing I was JOE (Jstar variant). For word processing I use
>>>> WordStar for DOS in DOSBox-X, convert the file to RTF format and read it
>>>> into LibreOffice or TextMaker. It keeps the formatting from WordStar and I
>>>> can keep writing in my favorite word processor — which I've been using for
>>>> over 30 years. GUI word processors get in the way for me. I can't help
>>>> messing around with the format instead of worrying about what I'm writing
>>>
>>> You're not the only one. Products have emerged since the explosion in
>>> popularity of things like WordPerfect and Word which go back to the old
>>> way, where the interface stays out of sight. The priority should be on
>>> the content you produce, not the aesthetics of the software. That's part
>>> of why people shouldn't care, for example, that Word 2024 is prettier
>>> than Word 2021.
>>
>> Completely agree. Very little that I write needs to be "fancified." Jstar
>> and WordStar don't get in the way of writing with desktop publishing
>> features.
>
> If I were a more talented or prolific writer and had enough good ideas
> to write a number of novels, the only things I would need from a word
> processor are a thesaurus and a spelling checker. I don't see how having
> a load of beautiful, smooth menus would improve any of what I write.

Yep. And WordStar 4-7 for DOS all came with spell checkers and thesauruses,
(thesaurusi?).

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 09:43:21 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> If I were a more talented or prolific writer and had enough good ideas
>> to write a number of novels, the only things I would need from a word
>> processor are a thesaurus and a spelling checker.
>
> As a software developer (and sometime documentation writer), I wonder how
> non-programmers can manage without version control. How do they keep track
> of changes? How do multiple contributors collaborate on a single document?

Those are usually business issues. I'm only writing for myself. So no
collaboration or version control needed.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-04, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-10-04 9:08 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-03 5:56 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 12:19:20 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately a lot of the newest Dell laptops (at least the thin,
>>>>>> higher end ones) have gone the MacBook route, soldered on RAM and SSDs.
>>>>>> So, most likely, I'll be using older computers for the rest of my life.
>>>>>> I don't like not being able to upgrade.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't often do upgrades but I was happy I could stick a hotter i5, more
>>>>> RAM, and a SSD into the old Dell even if I had to go SATA with the SSD.
>>>>
>>>> My newest Dell, a Latitude 5300, actually uses an NVME SSD, has 32 GBs of
>>>> RAM and uses an 8th generation i7. Except for the 8th generation CPU, it's
>>>> pretty modern. And it uses an Intel GPU which, for my purposes, is a lot less
>>>> hassle than a Nividia or AMD GPU. It also has an oversized battery, with up
>>>> to 8 hours of battery life, depending on what you're doing. The only thing I
>>>> don't like about modern laptops are the keyboards. Seems that, with each
>>>> generation of laptops, the keyboards get "twinkier."
>>>
>>> MSI laptops have splendid keyboards, but most every other company's
>>> keyboards are mushy and prone to failure. The MSI keyboard from my 2015
>>> unit never needed a replacement but my 2021 ASUS keyboard needed to be
>>> replaced in 2023.
>>
>> Even if the newest Dell keyboards don't fail, they're still as comfortable
>> to use.
>
> I never had issues with the one on my MSI or the Sony before it. My wife
> also has no issues with her MSI one made by SteelSeries.
>
>>>> My micro desktop Dell Optiplexes are basically laptops without built-in
>>>> keyboards or screens. All the components are interchangeable with laptops of
>>>> the same era — same memory and Sata SSDs (or 2.5" SATA SSDs) or both.
>>>
>>> Being able to repair is great. I am bothered by the fact that companies
>>> think we're too stupid to fix our own units and solder the stuff to
>>> protect the technology from ourselves.
>>
>> I think part of it is making the computer as thing and light as possible.
>> Still, I would gladly trade off a little and thickness for a computer I can
>> upgrade.
>
> Same. If I have to choose between a thin computer with a mushy keyboard
> or a thick, upgradeable one with a keyboard from SteelSeries, I'm going
> for the latter.

I left out "not" in my post. But I'm guessing you figured that out. And I
agree with you. Make the laptop a little thicker to have a better keyboard.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-04, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 13:11:26 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> On 2024-10-03, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:07:10 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> Being able to repair is great. I am bothered by the fact that
>>>> companies think we're too stupid to fix our own units and solder the
>>>> stuff to protect the technology from ourselves.
>>>
>>> Sockets cost money.
>>
>> But when you're selling a high-end Dell XPS for $2400.00 (for example)
>> I'm guessing the few extra dollars for sockets (if they cost that much)
>> wouldn't make that big of a difference.
>
> I don't remember the scenario and don't think it was 'Unsafe At Any Speed'
> but there was something where auto fatalities were caused by the omission
> of a $1.50 part because it would have cost too much.
>
> As I expanded in another post it's not only the cost of the socket but the
> impact on the entire work flow.

I'm still not convinced that's the real reason they do it. I think it has
more to do with price gouging (when you buy an upgraded version with a
bigger SSD or more RAM) and built-in obsolescence (so you'll buy a new
computer more often).

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-04, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 13:18:27 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> Easily recouped at the price they're charging for high end computers. I
>> think it has more to do with making more money.
>
> Computer manufacturers are not non-profits or at least try not to be. If
> you're a corporate purchasing agent and can buy Lenovo boxes with the same
> spec as Dell boxes $200 cheaper which way do you go?

Still not convinced that this is the real reason. There is a difference
between "for profit" and gouging.

But, personally, I'll just go with computers that can be upgraded.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Le 05-10-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
> On 04 Oct 2024 21:06:49 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> In fact, it's difficult. If you are alone and disconnected of the rest
>> of the world, you don't care about the time drift. But as soon as you
>> plug your computer on Internet, a time shift will be an issue. And if
>> the drift is important and you just fetch it from time to time, you will
>> be inaccurate timestamps and your experience will be very bad. So it has
>> to be done carefully.
>
> If a LAN is disconnected drift can be a problem. Our log file have a line
> like

Of course, unless there is only one computer on your LAN. By alone, I
mean a single computer, not a LAN.

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On 2024-10-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 20:47:30 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> You know how you get summoned because some machine is acting up? And the
>> user swears blind that “nothing has changed”? But you pull up the
>> previous snapshot of the config, do a diff against the current version,
>> and ... “Aha! You *did* change something!”. And you change it back. And
>> all is well.
>
> That's never, never happened. In my experience I can remember exactly
> once where a client apologized after swearing, rather literally, that
> nothing had be changed on his end.

A long, long time ago now, when I worked at a Radio Shack as a "computer
specialist" for a few months (I passed their half hour lesson and test), I
would have to take calls from people with Tandy computer problems. Back
then Tandy dot matrix printers had two settings. Tandy settings and IBM
settings. These were set with dip switches.

I got a call that one of our printers wasn't printing with a Tandy computer.
The very first question I asked was, are the dip switches set for an IBM
computer ("IBM" included clones). He said, "no." We spent an 90 minutes on
the phone going over every possible issue. I finally asked again, are you
SURE the dip switches are set for Tandy and not IBM? "Oh, wait a minute...
hey it's working."

You can't make this stuff up.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Le 05-10-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
> On 2024-10-04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 09:43:21 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> If I were a more talented or prolific writer and had enough good ideas
>>> to write a number of novels, the only things I would need from a word
>>> processor are a thesaurus and a spelling checker.
>>
>> As a software developer (and sometime documentation writer), I wonder how
>> non-programmers can manage without version control. How do they keep track
>> of changes? How do multiple contributors collaborate on a single document?
>
> Those are usually business issues. I'm only writing for myself. So no
> collaboration or version control needed.

I'm writing for myself but I really need a version control tool. I'm
using git because it's good, I could use something else. But I really
need something.

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On 2024-10-04, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 08:00:31 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Who manufacture's the most computers?
>>
>> China is the world's leading manufacturer of computers, producing
>> over 90% of the world's computers:
>
> You probably could say the same about sneakers or damn near anything else.

Yep. Before we get too snarky with China, it might be a good idea to rebuild
our manufacturing base first.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

rbowman wrote this post; take it under advisement:

> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 07:54:39 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Actually that is preferable to an ever expanding database with legacy
>> 32-bit stuff plus 64-bit duplicate stuff (and don't get me started on
>> the system32 directory).
>
> Yeah, SysWOW64 was one of MS's weirder moves. Odbcad32.exe was the real
> pisser. Both the 32 and 64 bit versions are called Odbcad32.exe. Our
> legacy programs are 32 bit so inadvertently using the 64bit one to create
> a DSN loads a 64bit driver which doesn't fly.
>
>> To me, it's nice to have one small config file for each "application".
>
> Most of the later native Windows work I've done uses C# with a JSON
> configuration file. I create an installer that drops the exe, required
> dlls, and the configuration file in the specified directory.
>
> IConfiguration config = new ConfigurationBuilder()
> .AddJsonFile("rangechecker.json")
> .AddEnvironmentVariables()
> .Build();
>
>
> string database = config["Database"];
> string dataType = config["DataType"];
> .....
>
> makes it easy to pick up the specific configuration plus any global
> environment variables you need. I've gotten fond of C# and DotNet.

C# is okay, but I never grew to like it.

> With the exception of GUIs it is cross-platform. GUIs will be coming to
> Linux Real Soon Now. There have been a couple of attempts but it isn't an
> easy task given Gtk, Qt, and so forth.

--
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A vocal competition in which the one who is catching his breath
is called the listener.

RonB wrote this post; take it under advisement:

> On 2024-10-04, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this post; take it under advisement:
>>
>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:05:00 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> The only thing preventing me from getting a Lenovo is the fact that it's
>>>> Chinese.
>>>
>>> Can’t go admitting that those damn Commies can produce a superior product
>>> to good old Non-Latin America, eh?
>>
>> AI Overview:
>>
>> Who manufacture's the most computers?
>>
>> China is the world's leading manufacturer of computers, producing over
>> 90% of the world's computers:
>
> So relying on China for our computers is a "good thing?" You might want to
> tell your buddy in the White House to tone down his anti-China rhetoric
> then. It's going to be pretty hard to fight China if we depend on them to
> build just about thing we would use in any war effort.
>
> The Woke are big on snark, small on brains.

Not like you and your snark, eh? And all because I stated a fact.

Weird.

Suppose you write this cartoonist about his "Woke":

https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/19645447_web1_web_RAMclr-092424-made-in-china-TUE.jpg

--
I am pleased to see that we have differences. May we together become
greater than the sum of both of us.
-- Surak of Vulcan, "The Savage Curtain", stardate 5906.4

On 2024-10-05 6:19 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-04, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-04 9:05 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-03 5:44 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-02, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-02 9:12 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-10-02, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-02 8:23 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-02, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-01 4:40 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/1/2024 2:51 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 08:58:44 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree. I've repeatedly decided to throw myself head first into an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience that was solely Linux only to find out that there were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be certain issues. I had serious slowdowns and screen tearing in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with gaming, I had random freezes in the last year, I've had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspend/wake issues throughout and in the last year (the only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owned which never had this problem with Linux is my 2006 Dell).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't hard to find. One must really be dedicated to the idea of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rid of Windows to disregard them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fuck you, imbecile!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Millions use GNU/Linux and the only ones who have problems are the
>>>>>>>>>>>> brain-dead, retarded asshole like you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "I have serious problems with GNU/Linux from time to time and it's
>>>>>>>>>>> always a bit of a struggle trying to get things back on track."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Feeb, March 2018
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I never expect Linux advocates to tell the truth. In Feeb's case, I
>>>>>>>>>> don't expect anything at all since all of his nyms are filtered. Wasting
>>>>>>>>>> even five seconds reading his garbage is too much.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I never expect anti-Linux FUDsters to ever tell the truth about Linux. Their
>>>>>>>>> "goto tactic" is to call Linux advocates liars. I don't lie, but I guess
>>>>>>>>> they anti-Linux FUDsters are projecting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're probably the only one here who doesn't exaggerate how great Linux
>>>>>>>> is. You might not face the same problems that I do, but at least you
>>>>>>>> concede that it is possible that they would happen. That's already a lot
>>>>>>>> more than most Linux advocates. Most will deny that a problem exists and
>>>>>>>> insult you for having experienced it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've seen that with some Linux "advocates" as well. I don't get it. There is
>>>>>>> no "one size fits all." I don't even try to convince my wife or kids to use
>>>>>>> Linux because what they want or need isn't really available (or as readily
>>>>>>> available) in Linux (Windows games for my kids and Microsoft Office and
>>>>>>> (now) AI crap for my wife).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They've used Microsoft Office as an excuse to stick to Windows for so
>>>>>> long that it's become boring. Other than DFS, I don't think anyone
>>>>>> realistically needs what the suite offers. Sure, it's better for some
>>>>>> and you won't fall into compatibility issues when your friends or
>>>>>> colleagues send you their documents, but that's about as good as it
>>>>>> realistically gets. Office's web interface used through Linux or
>>>>>> LibreOffice will do its job quite well, especially when you factor in
>>>>>> that it cost you nothing to try.
>>>>>
>>>>> For text editing I was JOE (Jstar variant). For word processing I use
>>>>> WordStar for DOS in DOSBox-X, convert the file to RTF format and read it
>>>>> into LibreOffice or TextMaker. It keeps the formatting from WordStar and I
>>>>> can keep writing in my favorite word processor — which I've been using for
>>>>> over 30 years. GUI word processors get in the way for me. I can't help
>>>>> messing around with the format instead of worrying about what I'm writing
>>>>
>>>> You're not the only one. Products have emerged since the explosion in
>>>> popularity of things like WordPerfect and Word which go back to the old
>>>> way, where the interface stays out of sight. The priority should be on
>>>> the content you produce, not the aesthetics of the software. That's part
>>>> of why people shouldn't care, for example, that Word 2024 is prettier
>>>> than Word 2021.
>>>
>>> Completely agree. Very little that I write needs to be "fancified." Jstar
>>> and WordStar don't get in the way of writing with desktop publishing
>>> features.
>>
>> If I were a more talented or prolific writer and had enough good ideas
>> to write a number of novels, the only things I would need from a word
>> processor are a thesaurus and a spelling checker. I don't see how having
>> a load of beautiful, smooth menus would improve any of what I write.
>
> Yep. And WordStar 4-7 for DOS all came with spell checkers and thesauruses,
> (thesaurusi?).

But you can't allow the public to buy a product in say 1987 and continue
using it forever. You need an excuse to get them to buy the same
software over and over again, so you add a pixel or two to the interface
and then demand more money. :)

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DFS wrote this post; take it under advisement:

> On 10/4/2024 3:01 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On 4 Oct 2024 05:22:19 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> Linux wasn't any better with xorg.conf and the rest.
>>
>> On Linux, they are all text files. Not only can you understand their
>> contents, you can use diff between different versions to see what has
>> changed, and copy/paste accordingly.
>
>
> "Half the fun of Linux is editing text files. not sarcasm"
>
> #5 at
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=996630

It sure beats trawling the Registry.

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On 2024-10-04 5:48 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 09:05:22 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> He is also full of shit. The 90% number is only accurate if Taiwan is
>> considered to be a part of China. As we know, the Taiwanese don't want
>> to be considered a part of that regime. That country contains the
>> remnants of pre-Communist China; they want nothing to do with the
>> ideology or the mainland.
>
> If you go back to the Kuomintang and Sun Yat-sen it was more which flavor
> of Communists won the civil war.

Having read a bit of the history of China, the Communists wouldn't have
won had they not purposefully stayed out of conflicts and let other
groups fight amongst themselves. They won, it seems, because everyone
else was exhausted. In the end, the Chinese got Mao Zedong as a leader.
A low-intelligence man who believed that everything was owed to him,
betrayed every one of his allies, never laboured even a day in his life,
caused famines as a result of his idiocy, had STDs and refused to have
them treated, infected countless people because he refused to get
treated, etc.. I'm sure the Chinese were overjoyed when he became the
head of state.

If the West were smart, they wouldn't have taken pity on China and sent
the country generous aid. Instead, it was chosen to become a
technocratic state and an example of what every nation can turn into if
we don't stand up for ourselves. It _has_ to succeed so they just keep
pumping money into it to this day.

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