On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 06:04:01 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Buh buh the 2nd Amendment! They're infringing on my right to bear arms!
> Whut if the gummint comes to git me?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Firearms_Freedom_Act

Under the FFA, smokeless powder weapons are limited to a 1.5" bore and
have to be man portable. No crew served weapons. If you're using black
powfer there is no limit but concrete filled beer cans are a convenient
source of projectiles.

The Act was more of a 10th Amendment troll but the hyperliberal 9th
Circuit wouldn't bite. It's worth noting Governor Brian Schweitzer, who
signed the law, is a Democrat. He's also the reason we don't have RealID.
It's an extra cost option on a DL if you really want it.

>
>> The point is a tool should be selected for the job at hand, not because
>> it is BIGGER.
>
> A good opportunity to reprise the Hole Hawg:
>
> http://www.team.net/mjb/hawg.html
>

https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Power-Tools/Drilling/Right-Angle-
Drills

The Hole Hawg has been updated and now has cordless models. I've used
similar drill motors and, yes, if the bit grabs you'd better not be
sleeping. The ones I hate have a trigger lock button on the left side of
the handle. I'm left handed which means the lock gets applied
automatically as the drill tries to spin me around.

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destructive_device
>
>Buh buh the 2nd Amendment! They're infringing on my right to bear arms!
>Whut if the gummint comes to git me?!

Lame attack. Freedom does not equal anarchy.

--
"Translation: you're tired of constantly being beaten." - lying
asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly

Relf wrote:

>Ever since 1983, I've enjoyed a
>WinTel tower PC With a mouse & a large monitor.

Towers are *the* way to go! 8) A "mid-tower" for me.

--
'Basically, the COLA Attitude towards IP can be summarized as follows:
"When it is my IP it is good, but when it is anyone else's IP it is
evil (and OK to steal)."' - lying asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly

chrisv wrote:

>Relf wrote:
>
>>Ever since 1983, I've enjoyed a
>>WinTel tower PC With a mouse & a large monitor.
>
>Towers are *the* way to go! 8) A "mid-tower" for me.

And the large monitor, of course. The 55" monitor in my "man cave" is
awesome!

On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 17:17:15 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Relf wrote:
>
>>Ever since 1983, I've enjoyed a WinTel tower PC With a mouse & a large
>>monitor.
>
> Towers are *the* way to go! 8) A "mid-tower" for me.

Why? That's an honest question not an argument. The Fedora box is an old
Dell tower because I had it on hand. I also have an Antec case and power
supply that I thought about using for a build. With NVMe M.2 I don't need
those drive bays. I've got a USB optical drive if I need one but I seldom
plug it in. There's a lot of empty volume as is. I don't need all the
slots so I could go with micro-ATX.

The tower does give me a nice flat space for the solderless breadboards of
whatever project I'm working on, so that's a plus.

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Relf wrote:
>
>>Ever since 1983, I've enjoyed a
>>WinTel tower PC With a mouse & a large monitor.
>
>Towers are *the* way to go! 8) A "mid-tower" for me.

I certainly have a vertical case, for my box. It sits on a stand on
the left side of my desk, purchased at IKEA. I need that full desktop
experience, can't hang with laptops, can't just use my phone. I need
the complete experience, like in the old days, keyboard, mouse,
monitor, speakers. I stay with that motif.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 17:13:46 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destructive_device
>>
>>Buh buh the 2nd Amendment! They're infringing on my right to bear arms!
>>Whut if the gummint comes to git me?!
>
> Lame attack. Freedom does not equal anarchy.

Government doesn't equal freedom either. It's been a lifelong internal
debate for me. Theoretically I lean toward anarchy. Then I look around me
and realize it will never happen on any scale above a village.

rBowman: Theoretically I lean toward anarchy. Then I look around me
and realize it will never happen on any scale above a village.

Missoula is East Seattle, i90.

All 9 of its sawmills were shut down, one this year,
because "housing" ( a.k.a. "indoor plumbing" ) is unaffordable.

On 12 Sep 2024 22:57:03 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> Government doesn't equal freedom either.

“Democracy is the worst system in the world ... apart from all the
others.”
-- Winston Churchill

On 9/11/2024 2:11 AM, Relf wrote:
> rBowman: IBM's model was always big iron with dumb terminals, thin clients, or
> whatever you want to call it. Pretty much the entire Chromebook design is
> the same. Desktops are getting to be the same.
>
> Win11 running "Voice Access" ( fast, accurate, customizable, offline, free )
> on a 4k, 32" monitor swinging on an arm, a massively customized browser,
> a hyper customized 39 button mouse, no physical keyboard ( boots to BIOS ),
> super fast NVMe M.2 terabyte SSD, half terabyte USB stick
> & full control of everything is best.
>
> You can't get that on a kiosk, especially not big, "hyper customized" stuff.

monitor on swingarm and no keyboard? Do you do all your computing lying
in bed typing on a touchscreen?

If so, get up out of bed and start exercising before you die.

DFS: Do you do all your computing lying in bed typing on a touchscreen ?

No touchscreen; see: Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG
"Words per Minute" measures sexytaries, not me.

> start exercising before you die.

Charlie Munger Was going strong ( mentally, not physically )
up until the age of 99.

"Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:

>DFS: Do you do all your computing lying in bed typing on a touchscreen ?
>
>No touchscreen; see: Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG
>"Words per Minute" measures sexytaries, not me.

Christ, Jeff, you type with your fucking mouse? What are you,
Hawking?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Crump: you type with your fucking mouse ?

I use a custom designed virtual keyboard,
Win11's "Voice Access" does most of the work.

Voice Access is fast, accurate, customizable, offline, free.

I've a 4k, 32" monitor swinging on an arm, a massively customized browser,
a hyper customized 39 button mouse, no physical keyboard ( boots to BIOS ),
super fast NVMe M.2 terabyte SSD, half terabyte USB stick
& full control of everything.

"Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:

>Crump: you type with your fucking mouse ?
>
>I use a custom designed virtual keyboard,
>Win11's "Voice Access" does most of the work.
>
>Voice Access is fast, accurate, customizable, offline, free.
>
>I've a 4k, 32" monitor swinging on an arm, a massively customized browser,
>a hyper customized 39 button mouse, no physical keyboard ( boots to BIOS ),
>super fast NVMe M.2 terabyte SSD, half terabyte USB stick
>& full control of everything.

I have a 4K monitor, not as large as yours though, and NVMe storage of
course. My keyboard and mouse are wired and basic, as I like them to
be. My system was all chosen piece by piece, by me, it's such a
dream.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 17:10:38 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> Missoula is East Seattle, i90.

The shit stops at Spokane. Lookout Pass makes a great choke point.
> All 9 of its sawmills were shut down, one this year,
> because "housing" ( a.k.a. "indoor plumbing" ) is unaffordable.

Housing is ridiculous but the mills shut down long before the current
inflation. Some of it was Canadian imports, some was running out of
accessible timber. The low hanging fruit was cut 50 years ago and it takes
about 100 years for the renewable crop to renew.

There is a trail going back to the government giveaways to the railroads
that includes Champion, Plum Creek, and now Weyerhauser. Weyerhauser is
now in the real estate business, not timber around here. Can't beat the
southern plantations.

https://www.weyerhaeuser.com/timberlands/forestry/us-south/

On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 03:30:05 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 12 Sep 2024 22:57:03 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> Government doesn't equal freedom either.
>
> “Democracy is the worst system in the world ... apart from all the
> others.”
> -- Winston Churchill

Winston Churchill, Destroyer of Empires. The bastard should have retired
to a life of obscurity after Gallipoli. How many Kiwis did he kill, 2700
or so?

On 2024-09-12, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destructive_device
>>
>>Buh buh the 2nd Amendment! They're infringing on my right to bear arms!
>>Whut if the gummint comes to git me?!
>
> Lame attack. Freedom does not equal anarchy.

Explaining things to ChrisA is pretty much a waste of time. All he knows how
to do is regurgitate CNN and the rest of the MSM. Thinking is not required
to do this and he finds it hurts his head when he tries to do so.

"Toothless" "Buh buh" still has working brain cells and that makes ChrisA
jealous of him.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 21:04:01 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:
>
>> You(rBowman)Replied(to me):
>>> > I don't see what a "big" PC (compared to a "smart" phone)
>>> > has to do with bigger bullets.
>>>
>>> a tool should be selected for the job at hand, not because it is
>>> BIGGER.
>>
>> Ever since 1983, I've enjoyed a WinTel tower PC With a mouse & a large
>> monitor.
>
> Still using a CRT? Obviously we're talking about two different versions
> of BIGGER. Both my Debian and Fedora boxes are traditional towers. This
> Ubuntu box is about as big as a ham sandwich.

My desktop computers are Dell Micro desktops (using laptop components and
laptop power supplies). Very quiet and small. For what I do, I see no reason
to ever go to a tower computer again. (I don't play Microsoft video games or
compile programs and these do everything I need to do and they do it well.)

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

rbowman wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> Towers are *the* way to go! 8) A "mid-tower" for me.
>
>Why? That's an honest question not an argument. The Fedora box is an old
>Dell tower because I had it on hand. I also have an Antec case and power
>supply that I thought about using for a build. With NVMe M.2 I don't need
>those drive bays. I've got a USB optical drive if I need one but I seldom
>plug it in. There's a lot of empty volume as is. I don't need all the
>slots so I could go with micro-ATX.

Of course you're right that a tiny computer could do the job just
fine, for most people. I'm old and set in my ways. It's nice to have
room for a video card, in case I ever want to play a game, which I
rarely do. It's just more fun, similar to the satisfaction I get by
building it myself.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 05:59:05 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Xfce does have a couple things that bug me (e.g. moving a
>> vertically-maximized window unmaximizes it).
>
> The best thing a desktop can do is leave my damn windows alone.

So no tiling window managers for you. :-)

--
I am firm. You are obstinate. He is a pig-headed fool.
-- Katharine Whitehorn

On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 07:16:02 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> My desktop computers are Dell Micro desktops (using laptop components
> and laptop power supplies). Very quiet and small. For what I do, I see
> no reason to ever go to a tower computer again. (I don't play Microsoft
> video games or compile programs and these do everything I need to do and
> they do it well.)

It isn't a Micro but the last batch of Dells at work are quite a bit
smaller than the previous generation from 6 or 8 years ago. They have no
problem compiling complex apps.

The improvements were incremental but there was a watershed a few years
back between when compiling the source tree was time to get a cup of
coffee and browse the web and when it became fast enough it wasn't
worthwhile to do something else. That's the real measure of productivity
rather than sitting there with a stopwatch.

Judging from the buildapc subreddit it's the gamers that are driving the
high end components. As a bonus you apparently get a space heater too.

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/1ff66ib/
my_pc_turns_my_room_into_a_furnac

On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 03:46:43 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Of course you're right that a tiny computer could do the job just fine,
> for most people. I'm old and set in my ways.

I'm old but I guess I'm not quite set yet. It all started when we got a
Mac mini to build a phone app. Programming and testing stood around the
unboxing poking at it wondering what we were supposed to do with it. I was
fascinated.

I never did a build with it but it ran headless and only was used by the
build guy. The iOS project eventually got scrapped because of the endless
hoops dealing with Apple.

The first non-Macs to show up on my radar were the Intel NUCs but I'm not
an Intel fan. When I saw a Beelink with an AMD I jumped on it. Now
everybody is in the game, except Intel. Dropping the NUCs may be another
of their less than stellar decisions although the marketing wasn't great.

On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 02:13:46 -0400, Joel wrote:

> "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:
>
>>DFS: Do you do all your computing lying in bed typing on a touchscreen ?
>>
>>No touchscreen; see: Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG "Words per
>>Minute" measures sexytaries, not me.
>
>
> Christ, Jeff, you type with your fucking mouse? What are you,
> Hawking?

Chuck Moore. He showed up at a FORTH conference in the early '80s with a
one-handed mouse that he had invented. It didn't catch on. It wasn't a
gaming keyboard, only a mouse-like thing with a lot of buttons that were
used sort of like guitar chords.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 02:13:46 -0400, Joel wrote:
>> "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:
>>
>>>DFS: Do you do all your computing lying in bed typing on a touchscreen ?
>>>
>>>No touchscreen; see: Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG "Words per
>>>Minute" measures sexytaries, not me.
>>
>> Christ, Jeff, you type with your fucking mouse? What are you,
>> Hawking?
>
>Chuck Moore. He showed up at a FORTH conference in the early '80s with a
>one-handed mouse that he had invented. It didn't catch on. It wasn't a
>gaming keyboard, only a mouse-like thing with a lot of buttons that were
>used sort of like guitar chords.

Sounds interesting.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Joel wrote:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 02:13:46 -0400, Joel wrote:
>>> "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> DFS: Do you do all your computing lying in bed typing on a touchscreen ?
>>>>
>>>> No touchscreen; see: Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG "Words per
>>>> Minute" measures sexytaries, not me.
>>>
>>> Christ, Jeff, you type with your fucking mouse? What are you,
>>> Hawking?
>>
>> Chuck Moore. He showed up at a FORTH conference in the early '80s with a
>> one-handed mouse that he had invented. It didn't catch on. It wasn't a
>> gaming keyboard, only a mouse-like thing with a lot of buttons that were
>> used sort of like guitar chords.
>
>
> Sounds interesting.
>
never happened