Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>On 25 Aug 2024 20:17:18 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> Remember Sawfish?
>
>Remember when you stuffed a sausage up your fuckin' asshole?
>
>Haaaaaa, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Shut up, that's an ignorant thing to say, even if because it wouldn't
work but also just its stupidity, you're weird and gross, get a life,
loser Larry.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 8/5/2024 12:46 PM, Joel Crump wrote:
>> On 8/4/24 22:46, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>>> I ran into snags trying to switch/upgrade to Mint 22.x ...
>>>
>>> I think Mint wants you to do a fresh install with each new version, they
>>> don’t support upgrading in-place as such.
>>
>> I had problems with in-place upgrade and with installing clean from a
>> USB media, so I decided to go to another distro.
>
>Windows 11?

I actually want to reply again to this, Win11 does provide an
environment for Linux, though it *itself* isn't a distro, but if
merely executing a Linux app were the required function, Winblows has
it. But it's really about choosing to use your computer in ways that
are different than someone else. It's not about free vs. paid. You
can pay for Linux, really, try buying the prefab computers with it, I
got the inspiration for my box from one, its CPU is the one I picked.
They are physically supporting having Linux, rather than Windows,
preinstalled on a new computer. And probably giving you some decent
stuff.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 17:28:38 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Shut up, that's an ignorant thing to say, even if because it wouldn't
> work but also just its stupidity, you're weird and gross, get a life,
> loser Larry.

Why do people reply to Larry in all his incarnations? He's in my permanent
grease filter so I only see his remarks if someone else responds to him.
Nothing in those accidental views shows any redeeming value in his sad
life.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> Shut up, that's an ignorant thing to say, even if because it wouldn't
>> work but also just its stupidity, you're weird and gross, get a life,
>> loser Larry.
>
>Why do people reply to Larry in all his incarnations? He's in my permanent
>grease filter so I only see his remarks if someone else responds to him.
>Nothing in those accidental views shows any redeeming value in his sad
>life.

There is little that he posts that has any value.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 8/25/2024 6:10 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 17:28:38 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> Shut up, that's an ignorant thing to say, even if because it wouldn't
>> work but also just its stupidity, you're weird and gross, get a life,
>> loser Larry.
>
>
> Why do people reply to Larry in all his incarnations? He's in my permanent
> grease filter so I only see his remarks if someone else responds to him.
> Nothing in those accidental views shows any redeeming value in his sad
> life.

He's replied to you 28x this year. Most of his replies to you (and
everybody) contain a stupid personal insult, of course.

sorted most to least recent

1 "Remember when you stuffed a sausage up your fuckin' asshole?"

2 "Why don't you try an ODBC/JDBC connection with your fuckin' asshole?"

3 "How do you spell 'asshole?'"

4 "Like stuffing foreign objects up your fucking asshole."

5 "How many did you stuff up your fucking asshole?"

6 "Why don't you "pentest" your fucking asshole?"

7
"STFU blowman.
Why don't you regale us with your champion bison ropings at the rodeo.
After all, you've been everywhere and seen and done everything.
Fucking grandiose moron."

(note: each of the above was suffixed with
"Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!")

8 blabbed about using gallons/pounds/mph unit measures

9 "Another aficionado of that juvenile junk sci fi."

10 "What, pray tell, does this fucking boorish bullshit have to do
with GNU/Linux advocacy?"

11 talks about ketchup

12 "Have you looked at your crotch lately?"

13 "What a total fucking idiot!"

14 "As soon as you take your head out of your ass."

15 "There is no 'Perl 6.'"

16 "What a fucking idiot!"

17 "Go and stroke your pussy"

18 "But YOU only have one meaning: Asshole idiot."

19 blabbing about the XZ backdoor

20 babbling about audio

21 "You are avoiding the issue, as expected from a know-nothing
blowhard."

22 "Monkey get no banana."

23 talk about Morse code

24 contradicting himself about GUI aesthetics. Previously he said he
didn't care about it - suddenly it's very important to him.

25 "The consensus of idiots is always idiocy."

26 talk about memtest

27 talk about scientific/engineering programming

28 crazed talk about statistics and programmers

At 42-43 years old, he remains an angry, miserable, insufferable child.
You're missing nothing having him killfiled.

On 25 Aug 2024 19:28:26 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 07:04:53 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Teach a man a GUI, and he'll keep bugging you for help with other GUIs.
>>
>> Teach a man to script, and he will help himself.
>
> And then he will bug you for help in repairing the smoking wreckage.
> Been there, done that, when some of our operations people developed
> scripts, usually in Perl, to automate their tasks. Mostly they worked
> but when it went of the rails the support people would ask programming
> for help with something we didn't even know existed.

I would see that as an opportunity to teach them some more.

On 8/25/2024 2:05 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 25-08-2024, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :
>> On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 20:05:00 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
>> <vadsf8$1ip19$6@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> For instance, what's the bash/sed/awk/python/perl script to replace the
>>> last underscore in a filename with 2 spaces:
>>>
>>> from: Lecture_03_ImageHistograms.pdf
>>> To : Lecture_03 ImageHistograms.pdf
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/a/tonxlWh
>>
>> $ rename -E 's/(.+)_(.*\..+)$/$1 $2/' *
>
> On Archlinux I discovered some tim ago that the rename command is
> different than the debian/ubuntu one. One don't use regex.
>
> rename -l '_' ' ' *.pdf
>
> It's way easier than the screenshot I saw on his link.

It's "easier" because you spent months/years learning bash scripting.

Farley Flud wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 25 Aug 2024 18:05:50 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> On Archlinux I discovered some tim ago that the rename command is
>> different than the debian/ubuntu one. One don't use regex.
>
> <shitsnip>
>
> File rename commands don't use regex but rather file globbing.
>
> There is a difference.

The Perl rename program uses Perl regex.

--
A visit to a strange place will bring fresh work.

Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Dissing [Microsoft Windows operating systems descending from what in the 1990s was called] NT from an intellectual perspective is folly.
>>
>>You must admit, the execution fell a bit short of the original promises.
>
> Nope. Windows 11 is a fine OS, if you have an i9 processor and 64 GB
> RAM, with a 2 TB NVMe storage.

But it is still *Windows* :-D

--
A man was reading The Canterbury Tales one Saturday morning, when his
wife asked "What have you got there?" Replied he, "Just my cup and Chaucer."

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 07:00:36 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>> royalties:
>>
>>> On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 20:49:36 -0400, Joel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dissing NT from an intellectual perspective is folly.
>>>
>>> You must admit, the execution fell a bit short of the original
>>> promises.
>>
>> Win NT 3 sucked. Win NT 4 was unstable enough to warrant reinstalls for
>> our project.
>
> I may be repressing but I don't remember ever seeing a real BSOD after
> moving from NT 4. I'm not saying Windows 2000 was trouble free but the OS
> usually could stagger along.

Win 2000 was my favorite Windows. Heh, at work I was able to run it in a VM on
a laptop with IIRC 2 Gb RAM.

Even more fun was when IT scanned the VM while it was running and reported
a virus :-D

--
Q: What's the difference betweeen USL and the Graf Zeppelin?
A: The Graf Zeppelin represented cutting edge technology for its time.

On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 13:20:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> I tried Emacs, and it's not really for me. Cool that it has that option,
> though.

Back when 1 GB was a large HD the decision often came down to disk space.
Vim was under 3 MB, and Emacs was around 25 MB. While I'm able to form
chords on a guitar or banjo with all four fingers I prefer not to have to
use four fingers for an editor command. A GUI really helped Emacs.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 13:20:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> I tried Emacs, and it's not really for me. Cool that it has that option,
>> though.
>
> Back when 1 GB was a large HD the decision often came down to disk space.
> Vim was under 3 MB, and Emacs was around 25 MB. While I'm able to form
> chords on a guitar or banjo with all four fingers I prefer not to have to
> use four fingers for an editor command. A GUI really helped Emacs.

I used micro-Emacs and a program called VEDIT with emacs keystrokes.

Then I discovered PC vi.

--
If you can read this, you're too close.

On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 16:59:18 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
wrote in <vaiqb6$2jfbk$8@dont-email.me>:

> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 13:20:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> I tried Emacs, and it's not really for me. Cool that it has that
>>> option,
>>> though.
>>
>> Back when 1 GB was a large HD the decision often came down to disk
>> space.
>> Vim was under 3 MB, and Emacs was around 25 MB. While I'm able to form
>> chords on a guitar or banjo with all four fingers I prefer not to have
>> to use four fingers for an editor command. A GUI really helped Emacs.
>
> I used micro-Emacs and a program called VEDIT with emacs keystrokes.
>
> Then I discovered PC vi.

I've been using joe(1) since 1992.

At the time, I thought it was the bee's knees, because
it efficiently redrew the screen while editing on a 2400 baud
modem.

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc5 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"A computer's attention span is as long as it's power cord."

On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 16:59:18 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> I used micro-Emacs and a program called VEDIT with emacs keystrokes.
>
> Then I discovered PC vi.

I use VS Code with the Vim extension. It keeps the compilers or Python
interpreters from bitching about the odd :w .

On 26 Aug 2024 22:15:40 GMT, vallor wrote:

> I've been using joe(1) since 1992.
>
> At the time, I thought it was the bee's knees, because it efficiently
> redrew the screen while editing on a 2400 baud modem.
>

I used WordStar on CP/M. It got the job done and came bundled on the
Osborne 1. With MSDOS I used Brief.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brief_(text_editor)

Unfortunately Borland bought it and killed it. iirc there wasn't even much
Brief DNA in their C++/OWL IDE.

At some time I moved to Vim. People say 'I use vi' when they're really
using Vim. Real vi wasn't all that fantabulous and also was another victim
of AT&T's licensing mess.

I started using VS Code when I got involved with the Angular web app.
Angular tends to spawn myriad directories full of HTML, CSS, TypeScript,
and other crap wired together in bizarre ways.

vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 16:59:18 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
> wrote in <vaiqb6$2jfbk$8@dont-email.me>:
>
>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 13:20:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I tried Emacs, and it's not really for me. Cool that it has that
>>>> option,
>>>> though.
>>>
>>> Back when 1 GB was a large HD the decision often came down to disk
>>> space.
>>> Vim was under 3 MB, and Emacs was around 25 MB. While I'm able to form
>>> chords on a guitar or banjo with all four fingers I prefer not to have
>>> to use four fingers for an editor command. A GUI really helped Emacs.
>>
>> I used micro-Emacs and a program called VEDIT with emacs keystrokes.
>>
>> Then I discovered PC vi.
>
> I've been using joe(1) since 1992.
>
> At the time, I thought it was the bee's knees, because
> it efficiently redrew the screen while editing on a 2400 baud
> modem.

That was the impetus for Bill Joy's vi.

Now old Bill is apparently a clicky-clicky-click guy.

--
Avoid gunfire in the bathroom tonight.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 26 Aug 2024 22:15:40 GMT, vallor wrote:
>
>
>> I've been using joe(1) since 1992.
>>
>> At the time, I thought it was the bee's knees, because it efficiently
>> redrew the screen while editing on a 2400 baud modem.
>>
>
> I used WordStar on CP/M. It got the job done and came bundled on the
> Osborne 1. With MSDOS I used Brief.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brief_(text_editor)
>
> Unfortunately Borland bought it and killed it. iirc there wasn't even much
> Brief DNA in their C++/OWL IDE.
>
> At some time I moved to Vim. People say 'I use vi' when they're really
> using Vim. Real vi wasn't all that fantabulous and also was another victim
> of AT&T's licensing mess.

My start with PC vi was 1984. Once I figured it out it became my favorite
editor.

Vim is cool, but sometimes it's an embarrassment of riches.

> I started using VS Code when I got involved with the Angular web app.
> Angular tends to spawn myriad directories full of HTML, CSS, TypeScript,
> and other crap wired together in bizarre ways.

Ugh. I was in a .NET project; it was a Frankenstein monster of technologies.
I did get some experience with C#, but I prefer C++ by far.

--
Courage is your greatest present need.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 03:18 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 16:59:18 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> I used micro-Emacs and a program called VEDIT with emacs keystrokes.
>>
>> Then I discovered PC vi.
>
> I use VS Code with the Vim extension. It keeps the compilers or Python
> interpreters from bitching about the odd :w .

I don't like VSC, but it definitely has its uses.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

On 8/25/2024 2:16 PM, Joel wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Dissing [Microsoft Windows operating systems descending from what in the 1990s was called] NT from an intellectual perspective is folly.
>>
>> You must admit, the execution fell a bit short of the original promises.
>
>
> Nope. Windows 11 is a fine OS,

It definitely is. It's been 100% stable for me.

But lately it failed to install update KB5041585 (which is the first
fail in 61 updates). Rolls back cleanly, no lockups, etc.

> if you have an i9 processor and 64 GB
> RAM, with a 2 TB NVMe storage.

Linux and Ecstasy made you crazy.

My Win11 Pro system has 1/4 of those nutty specs:

chip: AMD 5600G
RAM : 16GB
NVMe: 256GB
GPU : nVidia GTX 750Ti

C:\Windows is 27.5GB
C:\Program Files is 7.3GB
C:\Program Files (x86) is 4.5GB
C:\ProgramData is 782.0MB

Total 40GB for OS and all apps

As for speed: it executes this python/SQLite query and loads the results
(54,000 rows) to a PyQt screen in 1.09 seconds.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
SELECT
P.POSTID,
CASE
WHEN INSTR(P2A.POSTER,'<') > 0
THEN SUBSTR(P2A.POSTER,1,INSTR(P2A.POSTER,'<')-1)
ELSE P2A.POSTER
END AS [Submitted By],
CASE
WHEN P.NEWTHREAD_YN = 'Y'
THEN '<new thread>'
ELSE
CASE
WHEN INSTR(P2B.POSTER,'<') > 0
THEN SUBSTR(P2B.POSTER,1,INSTR(P2B.POSTER,'<')-1)
ELSE P2B.POSTER
END
END AS [Reply To],
P.UTCDATE || ' ' || SUBSTR(P.UTCTIME,1,5) AS [UTC Date],
S.Subject, S.SUBJECTID, P.MSGID

FROM
POST P, POSTER P2A, POSTER P2B, SUBJECT S

WHERE
P.POSTERID = P2A.POSTERID
AND P.REPLY_TO_POSTERID = P2B.POSTERID
AND P.SUBJECTID = S.SUBJECTID
AND P.GROUPID = 1
AND (P.UTCDATE BETWEEN '2004-06-04' AND '2024-08-12')
AND P2A.POSTERNAMEID = 64

ORDER BY
UTCDATE DESC, UTCTIME DESC;
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Win11 is doomed by Linux Mint.

On 8/25/2024 3:25 PM, Joel wrote:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 07:00:36 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>>> royalties:
>>>> On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 20:49:36 -0400, Joel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dissing NT from an intellectual perspective is folly.
>>>>
>>>> You must admit, the execution fell a bit short of the original
>>>> promises.
>>>
>>> Win NT 3 sucked. Win NT 4 was unstable enough to warrant reinstalls for
>>> our project.
>>
>> I may be repressing but I don't remember ever seeing a real BSOD after
>> moving from NT 4. I'm not saying Windows 2000 was trouble free but the OS
>> usually could stagger along.
>
>
> When I got Windows 2000, in the year 2000, it was just a dream. I was
> coming from Win98. But today, with openSUSE, I have more stuff than I
> had back then, Microsoft has to keep up the pace with our platform,
> the vibrant community.

vibrant and flamboyant

Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> Dissing [Microsoft Windows operating systems descending from what in the 1990s was called] NT from an intellectual perspective is folly.
>>>
>>>You must admit, the execution fell a bit short of the original promises.
>>
>> Nope. Windows 11 is a fine OS, if you have an i9 processor and 64 GB
>> RAM, with a 2 TB NVMe storage.
>
>But it is still *Windows* :-D

True, but honestly, how good does a computer need to be to run this
bloatware?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 8/25/2024 2:16 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> Dissing [Microsoft Windows operating systems descending from what in the 1990s was called] NT from an intellectual perspective is folly.
>>>
>>> You must admit, the execution fell a bit short of the original promises.
>>
>> Nope. Windows 11 is a fine OS,
>
>It definitely is. It's been 100% stable for me.
>
>But lately it failed to install update KB5041585 (which is the first
>fail in 61 updates). Rolls back cleanly, no lockups, etc.

Microsoft does a good job of being as elite as Unix without actually
being it. It's why interoperability is so big. Wine is possible
because at heart the APIs could run on Linux, too.

>> if you have an i9 processor and 64 GB
>> RAM, with a 2 TB NVMe storage.
>
>Linux and Ecstasy made you crazy.

Oh I exaggerated, yeah. No doubt, but nonetheless, if you had such a
computer, it would be kinda nice for Win11, huh? I literally have a
10th gen, six-core CPU with 32 GB RAM, NVMe storage, yet the feel of
openSUSE even compared to *Mint* is meaningful, to say nothing of
Win11. I only saw Win11 in 16 GB RAM, but let's just say I think Mint
is wasteful, now. What I thought so highly of about it turned out to
be relatively unimportant.

>My Win11 Pro system has 1/4 of those nutty specs:
>
>chip: AMD 5600G
>RAM : 16GB
>NVMe: 256GB
>GPU : nVidia GTX 750Ti

You kept that video from a previous machine?

>C:\Windows is 27.5GB
>C:\Program Files is 7.3GB
>C:\Program Files (x86) is 4.5GB
>C:\ProgramData is 782.0MB
>
>Total 40GB for OS and all apps
>
>
>As for speed: it executes this python/SQLite query and loads the results
>(54,000 rows) to a PyQt screen in 1.09 seconds.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>SELECT
> P.POSTID,
>CASE
> WHEN INSTR(P2A.POSTER,'<') > 0
> THEN SUBSTR(P2A.POSTER,1,INSTR(P2A.POSTER,'<')-1)
> ELSE P2A.POSTER
>END AS [Submitted By],
>CASE
> WHEN P.NEWTHREAD_YN = 'Y'
> THEN '<new thread>'
> ELSE
> CASE
> WHEN INSTR(P2B.POSTER,'<') > 0
> THEN SUBSTR(P2B.POSTER,1,INSTR(P2B.POSTER,'<')-1)
> ELSE P2B.POSTER
> END
>END AS [Reply To],
> P.UTCDATE || ' ' || SUBSTR(P.UTCTIME,1,5) AS [UTC Date],
> S.Subject, S.SUBJECTID, P.MSGID
>
>FROM
> POST P, POSTER P2A, POSTER P2B, SUBJECT S
>
>WHERE
> P.POSTERID = P2A.POSTERID
> AND P.REPLY_TO_POSTERID = P2B.POSTERID
> AND P.SUBJECTID = S.SUBJECTID
> AND P.GROUPID = 1
> AND (P.UTCDATE BETWEEN '2004-06-04' AND '2024-08-12')
> AND P2A.POSTERNAMEID = 64
>
>ORDER BY
> UTCDATE DESC, UTCTIME DESC;
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Win11 is doomed by Linux Mint.

I suggest that Mint isn't even so much better than Windows in a sense,
better in that it's Linux, to be sure, but openSUSE with Xfce now is
proving to me that hype in desktop computing is dead.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 8/25/2024 3:25 PM, Joel wrote:
>>
>> Microsoft has to keep up the pace with our platform,
>> the vibrant community.
>
>vibrant and flamboyant

I'm flamboyant about Linux use because, if you recall, when I first
came to COLA I was a "Wintroll". I still argued with you, though,
over OpenOffice. But in those days I saw Linux as lackluster, in a
way that I no longer do. Nothing about Win11 or macOS matters more
than the stuff available with Unix.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

>Win 2000 was my favorite Windows. Heh, at work I was able to run it in a VM on
>a laptop with IIRC 2 Gb RAM.
>
>Even more fun was when IT scanned the VM while it was running and reported
>a virus :-D

M$ shit the bed with releasing Windows 2000 as it was. It booted, to
be sure, but the number of bugs they'd find in it and later XP, were
unreal. XP with SP2 and 2000 with all updates are usable, but you
must get these levels of updates before connecting to live Internet.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 23:10:30 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Wine is possible because at heart the APIs could run on Linux, too.

Remember why it took 15 years for WINE to reach version 1.0?

Because the Windows APIs are really not that well-defined. If you look at
the POSIX specs, for example, every possible error condition is clearly
spelled out for each call. Windows never used to do this; the only way to
check how a call *really* behaved was to run some code on Windows and see
what results it produced.