On 2024-05-10, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 May 2024 05:42:15 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On 09 May 2024 12:12:21 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> The advantage of using a web app for my e-mail provider (Posteo), is
>>> that I can create filters directly on the account rather than within a
>>> program.
>>
>> I would want something I can backup and restore, transfer to some other
>> system etc. Something under my control, not stuck on somebody else’s
>> server.
>
> It's called POP3, and the server supports that. In fact, the entirety of
> Posteo is open-source and the service was recommended by the Free Software
> Foundation when I signed up for it.

So Posteo still correctly supports POP3. My father may be interested in it.

>> On Linux, many GUI programs save their user prefs in text files, which
>> are easy to manage in this way.
>
> And if an update goes wrong and locks you out of your system, it also
> locks you out of those preferences. If you can fix the system and restore
> everything, that's fine. A lot of us prefer to keep it on the cloud in
> case of a disaster, or simply because we want to have access to the same
> data through a variety of computers.

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
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On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:33:22 +0000, RonB wrote:

> On 2024-05-09, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 06:47:55 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 8 May 2024 08:27:04 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the most common complaint of people using Linux CLI or GUI
>>>> tools is that they look dated.
>>>
>>> Are they taking Microsoft, of all people, as arbiters of good taste?
>>
>> There are definitely more people out there who are fans of the
>> Microsoft aesthetics than there are people who appreciate the dated
>> interfaces of open-source software. All of them will admit that the
>> "ugly" software still does the job, but it appears that the way a
>> program looks is as important as whether it completes the task.
>
> I don't admit it. And I don't like the Windows "aesthetic." I do find it
> a bit amusing that Windows' users simultaneously claim that 1) Linux
> copies the Windows desktop and 2) It has a dated interface.

Both are true, 1) Linux indeed copies features and aesthetics of both
Windows and Mac OS but 2) does a very poor job of getting it right, in my
cases. The lack of consistency is very noticeable, and you'll have
something like the default desktop of Ubuntu which looks incredible...
until you open up a program which doesn't fit with the overall look at all.
> Actually Linux has a LOT of interfaces. Windows only has one, and it's
> "dated" and ugly in my opinion.

I like the look myself, but find that it quickly gets boring. In fact,
that's probably why I like installing Linux and trying something else out
all the time.

On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:41:49 +0000, RonB wrote:

> On 2024-05-09, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 12:07:27 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-05-09, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 22:45:47 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-05-08, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-05-07 10:07 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-05-07, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>>>>>>>> royalties:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-07 8:08 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 5 May 2024 22:54:19 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> in <6638465a$0$8092$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/R0ARmN0
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ALL the Linux "equivalents" are pure junk compared to this
>>>>>>>>>>>> masterful Windows application.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's proprietary but free of cost for personal use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Along with other apps, the creator has worked on it since
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1999.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ONE competent, dedicated Windows developer puts to shame the
>>>>>>>>>>>> entire universe of FOSS crapware developers that have tried
>>>>>>>>>>>> to do what this guy does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux has a command (with the same name) that outputs TONS of
>>>>>>>>>>>> info, but it's basically unreadable. The output is made
>>>>>>>>>>>> for...
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know who the intended audience is, but it's not
>>>>>>>>>>>> regular users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This app is yet more PROOF that in a world where Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>> exists, there's no reason to run Linux on your desktop.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't prove squat, GUI-boi.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're mocking him for enjoying a GUI? What decade are you in?
>>>>>>>>> < snip >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The 2020's, where I can use vim, gnu autotools, meson, gcc/g++,
>>>>>>>> clang/clang++,
>>>>>>>> slrn, mutt, mpd + ncmpcpp, alsamixer, git, latex, ssh, and more
>>>>>>>> in a terminal window.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do use gvim when I want edit two or more source-code files side
>>>>>>>> by side. Use zathura to read PDFs. GIMP for photo-tweaking.
>>>>>>>> Libreoffice for short how-tos. Conky for system info. GUI
>>>>>>>> browsers mostly. And of course the sddm display manager and the
>>>>>>>> fluxbox window manager.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not mocking him for enjoying a GUI, I'm mocking him for
>>>>>>>> crowing like a fool about it, as if there's only one true way to
>>>>>>>> us a computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm using slrn to respond to this post. It's efficient and quick.
>>>>>>> What does DuFuS "think" I'm supposedly losing by using this CLI
>>>>>>> app instead of a GUI application?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the most common complaint of people using Linux CLI or GUI
>>>>>> tools is that they look dated. I'm not sure why this is such a
>>>>>> problem,
>>>>>> especially if they still manage to get the job done, for free, in
>>>>>> the same amount of time.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Looks dated," seems like a superficial way to judge an application.
>>>>> But to each their own. I know slrn gets the job more quickly and
>>>>> efficiently than a GUI app would.
>>>>
>>>> For what it's worth, I've just abandoned Betterbird and Thunderbird
>>>> for Usenet since I am convinced that a bug in the software is
>>>> responsible for the Usenet problems I've been having of late. Good
>>>> old Pan works fine with Blocknews, but everything else seems to have
>>>> trouble negotiating a connection. I've decided to just use a web app
>>>> for my e-mail (which gives me a more direct access to how the server
>>>> will handle my e-mail anyway), and Pan for Usenet rather than bundle
>>>> both services in one app.
>>>
>>> I think I quit using Thunderbird for newsgroups shortly after I
>>> started using Linux. I didn't particularly like the interface, but
>>> (more importantly)
>>> I once posted an email to my brother (accidentally) on a newsgroup.
>>> That's when I went to Pan. slrn came a few years later.
>>>
>>> I used to use websites for my email, but decided I didn't like that.
>>> Thunderbird (or another email client) is more convenient for me.
>>
>> The advantage of using a web app for my e-mail provider (Posteo), is
>> that I can create filters directly on the account rather than within a
>> program.
>> This way, I don't have to start from scratch every time I reinstall my
>> operating system or whatever. Additionally, it allows me to buy credit
>> for the service, enable/disable encryption of my
>> inbox/calendar/contacts, set up MIME encryption and anything else
>> directly. Web apps are also a lot less taxing on the laptop's battery
>> than an application like Thunderbird/ Betterbird.
>
> Betterbird is taxing on the battery? More so than a network connection?
>
> At any rate, whatever works for you is your best choice.
>
> Just so you know though, you can just copy your Thunderbird (or
> Betterbird)
> profile directory to your new machine and everything is there — I
> believe everything is there, at any rate. I know I've done this a few
> times.

I'm aware, but I think I'll just try using the web version of my e-mail
for a while anyway. I'm tired of encountering bugs wherever I go, and the
web interface doesn't seem to have any.

On 2024-05-10, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:33:22 +0000, RonB wrote:
>
>> On 2024-05-09, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 06:47:55 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 8 May 2024 08:27:04 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the most common complaint of people using Linux CLI or GUI
>>>>> tools is that they look dated.
>>>>
>>>> Are they taking Microsoft, of all people, as arbiters of good taste?
>>>
>>> There are definitely more people out there who are fans of the
>>> Microsoft aesthetics than there are people who appreciate the dated
>>> interfaces of open-source software. All of them will admit that the
>>> "ugly" software still does the job, but it appears that the way a
>>> program looks is as important as whether it completes the task.
>>
>> I don't admit it. And I don't like the Windows "aesthetic." I do find it
>> a bit amusing that Windows' users simultaneously claim that 1) Linux
>> copies the Windows desktop and 2) It has a dated interface.
>
> Both are true, 1) Linux indeed copies features and aesthetics of both
> Windows and Mac OS but 2) does a very poor job of getting it right, in my
> cases. The lack of consistency is very noticeable, and you'll have
> something like the default desktop of Ubuntu which looks incredible...
> until you open up a program which doesn't fit with the overall look at all.

Or so you say. I think Linux Mint looks great and its applications look
fine. But I'm less concerned about the surface features than, apparently,
you are. Maybe if you could come with some examples I would see what you
mean.

>> Actually Linux has a LOT of interfaces. Windows only has one, and it's
>> "dated" and ugly in my opinion.
>
> I like the look myself, but find that it quickly gets boring. In fact,
> that's probably why I like installing Linux and trying something else out
> all the time.

I just think Windows is ugly. And it didn't get any prettier when it was
upgraded to 11. It reminds me of stale Motel Art and Muzak — or walking into
a bureaucrat's office. Maybe that's why you find it boring, because it is
monotonous.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-05-10, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:41:49 +0000, RonB wrote:
>
>> On 2024-05-09, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 12:07:27 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-05-09, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 22:45:47 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-05-08, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-05-07 10:07 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-07, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>>>>>>>>> royalties:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-07 8:08 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 5 May 2024 22:54:19 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> in <6638465a$0$8092$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/R0ARmN0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALL the Linux "equivalents" are pure junk compared to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> masterful Windows application.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's proprietary but free of cost for personal use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Along with other apps, the creator has worked on it since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1999.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ONE competent, dedicated Windows developer puts to shame the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> entire universe of FOSS crapware developers that have tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do what this guy does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux has a command (with the same name) that outputs TONS of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> info, but it's basically unreadable. The output is made
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know who the intended audience is, but it's not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regular users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This app is yet more PROOF that in a world where Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exists, there's no reason to run Linux on your desktop.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't prove squat, GUI-boi.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're mocking him for enjoying a GUI? What decade are you in?
>>>>>>>>>> < snip >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The 2020's, where I can use vim, gnu autotools, meson, gcc/g++,
>>>>>>>>> clang/clang++,
>>>>>>>>> slrn, mutt, mpd + ncmpcpp, alsamixer, git, latex, ssh, and more
>>>>>>>>> in a terminal window.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do use gvim when I want edit two or more source-code files side
>>>>>>>>> by side. Use zathura to read PDFs. GIMP for photo-tweaking.
>>>>>>>>> Libreoffice for short how-tos. Conky for system info. GUI
>>>>>>>>> browsers mostly. And of course the sddm display manager and the
>>>>>>>>> fluxbox window manager.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not mocking him for enjoying a GUI, I'm mocking him for
>>>>>>>>> crowing like a fool about it, as if there's only one true way to
>>>>>>>>> us a computer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm using slrn to respond to this post. It's efficient and quick.
>>>>>>>> What does DuFuS "think" I'm supposedly losing by using this CLI
>>>>>>>> app instead of a GUI application?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the most common complaint of people using Linux CLI or GUI
>>>>>>> tools is that they look dated. I'm not sure why this is such a
>>>>>>> problem,
>>>>>>> especially if they still manage to get the job done, for free, in
>>>>>>> the same amount of time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Looks dated," seems like a superficial way to judge an application.
>>>>>> But to each their own. I know slrn gets the job more quickly and
>>>>>> efficiently than a GUI app would.
>>>>>
>>>>> For what it's worth, I've just abandoned Betterbird and Thunderbird
>>>>> for Usenet since I am convinced that a bug in the software is
>>>>> responsible for the Usenet problems I've been having of late. Good
>>>>> old Pan works fine with Blocknews, but everything else seems to have
>>>>> trouble negotiating a connection. I've decided to just use a web app
>>>>> for my e-mail (which gives me a more direct access to how the server
>>>>> will handle my e-mail anyway), and Pan for Usenet rather than bundle
>>>>> both services in one app.
>>>>
>>>> I think I quit using Thunderbird for newsgroups shortly after I
>>>> started using Linux. I didn't particularly like the interface, but
>>>> (more importantly)
>>>> I once posted an email to my brother (accidentally) on a newsgroup.
>>>> That's when I went to Pan. slrn came a few years later.
>>>>
>>>> I used to use websites for my email, but decided I didn't like that.
>>>> Thunderbird (or another email client) is more convenient for me.
>>>
>>> The advantage of using a web app for my e-mail provider (Posteo), is
>>> that I can create filters directly on the account rather than within a
>>> program.
>>> This way, I don't have to start from scratch every time I reinstall my
>>> operating system or whatever. Additionally, it allows me to buy credit
>>> for the service, enable/disable encryption of my
>>> inbox/calendar/contacts, set up MIME encryption and anything else
>>> directly. Web apps are also a lot less taxing on the laptop's battery
>>> than an application like Thunderbird/ Betterbird.
>>
>> Betterbird is taxing on the battery? More so than a network connection?
>>
>> At any rate, whatever works for you is your best choice.
>>
>> Just so you know though, you can just copy your Thunderbird (or
>> Betterbird)
>> profile directory to your new machine and everything is there — I
>> believe everything is there, at any rate. I know I've done this a few
>> times.
>
> I'm aware, but I think I'll just try using the web version of my e-mail
> for a while anyway. I'm tired of encountering bugs wherever I go, and the
> web interface doesn't seem to have any.

The main thing that drives me nuts about Thunderbird is that, when I pick a
specific font (and choose that as my default), it reverts back to the
generic font whenever I sneeze, or move my cursor wrong or whatever. I think
Microsoft Word used to do that too. What part of "this is my default font"
don't they understand? It's part of the Microsoft Word disease, where the
retarded program is trying to think for you.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Sat, 11 May 2024 07:53:45 +0000, RonB wrote:

> On 2024-05-10, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:41:49 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-05-09, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 12:07:27 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-05-09, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 22:45:47 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-05-08, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-07 10:07 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-07, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>>>>>>>>>> royalties:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-07 8:08 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 5 May 2024 22:54:19 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in <6638465a$0$8092$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/R0ARmN0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALL the Linux "equivalents" are pure junk compared to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> masterful Windows application.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's proprietary but free of cost for personal use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Along with other apps, the creator has worked on it since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1999.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ONE competent, dedicated Windows developer puts to shame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire universe of FOSS crapware developers that have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried to do what this guy does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux has a command (with the same name) that outputs TONS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of info, but it's basically unreadable. The output is made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know who the intended audience is, but it's not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regular users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This app is yet more PROOF that in a world where Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exists, there's no reason to run Linux on your desktop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't prove squat, GUI-boi.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're mocking him for enjoying a GUI? What decade are you in?
>>>>>>>>>>> < snip >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The 2020's, where I can use vim, gnu autotools, meson, gcc/g++,
>>>>>>>>>> clang/clang++,
>>>>>>>>>> slrn, mutt, mpd + ncmpcpp, alsamixer, git, latex, ssh, and more
>>>>>>>>>> in a terminal window.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I do use gvim when I want edit two or more source-code files
>>>>>>>>>> side by side. Use zathura to read PDFs. GIMP for
>>>>>>>>>> photo-tweaking. Libreoffice for short how-tos. Conky for system
>>>>>>>>>> info. GUI browsers mostly. And of course the sddm display
>>>>>>>>>> manager and the fluxbox window manager.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not mocking him for enjoying a GUI, I'm mocking him for
>>>>>>>>>> crowing like a fool about it, as if there's only one true way
>>>>>>>>>> to us a computer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm using slrn to respond to this post. It's efficient and
>>>>>>>>> quick.
>>>>>>>>> What does DuFuS "think" I'm supposedly losing by using this CLI
>>>>>>>>> app instead of a GUI application?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the most common complaint of people using Linux CLI or
>>>>>>>> GUI tools is that they look dated. I'm not sure why this is such
>>>>>>>> a problem,
>>>>>>>> especially if they still manage to get the job done, for free, in
>>>>>>>> the same amount of time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Looks dated," seems like a superficial way to judge an
>>>>>>> application.
>>>>>>> But to each their own. I know slrn gets the job more quickly and
>>>>>>> efficiently than a GUI app would.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For what it's worth, I've just abandoned Betterbird and Thunderbird
>>>>>> for Usenet since I am convinced that a bug in the software is
>>>>>> responsible for the Usenet problems I've been having of late. Good
>>>>>> old Pan works fine with Blocknews, but everything else seems to
>>>>>> have trouble negotiating a connection. I've decided to just use a
>>>>>> web app for my e-mail (which gives me a more direct access to how
>>>>>> the server will handle my e-mail anyway), and Pan for Usenet rather
>>>>>> than bundle both services in one app.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I quit using Thunderbird for newsgroups shortly after I
>>>>> started using Linux. I didn't particularly like the interface, but
>>>>> (more importantly)
>>>>> I once posted an email to my brother (accidentally) on a newsgroup.
>>>>> That's when I went to Pan. slrn came a few years later.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to use websites for my email, but decided I didn't like that.
>>>>> Thunderbird (or another email client) is more convenient for me.
>>>>
>>>> The advantage of using a web app for my e-mail provider (Posteo), is
>>>> that I can create filters directly on the account rather than within
>>>> a program.
>>>> This way, I don't have to start from scratch every time I reinstall
>>>> my operating system or whatever. Additionally, it allows me to buy
>>>> credit for the service, enable/disable encryption of my
>>>> inbox/calendar/contacts, set up MIME encryption and anything else
>>>> directly. Web apps are also a lot less taxing on the laptop's battery
>>>> than an application like Thunderbird/ Betterbird.
>>>
>>> Betterbird is taxing on the battery? More so than a network
>>> connection?
>>>
>>> At any rate, whatever works for you is your best choice.
>>>
>>> Just so you know though, you can just copy your Thunderbird (or
>>> Betterbird)
>>> profile directory to your new machine and everything is there — I
>>> believe everything is there, at any rate. I know I've done this a few
>>> times.
>>
>> I'm aware, but I think I'll just try using the web version of my e-mail
>> for a while anyway. I'm tired of encountering bugs wherever I go, and
>> the web interface doesn't seem to have any.
>
> The main thing that drives me nuts about Thunderbird is that, when I
> pick a specific font (and choose that as my default), it reverts back to
> the generic font whenever I sneeze, or move my cursor wrong or whatever.
> I think Microsoft Word used to do that too. What part of "this is my
> default font" don't they understand? It's part of the Microsoft Word
> disease, where the retarded program is trying to think for you.

Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:33:22 +0000, RonB wrote:
>
>> On 2024-05-09, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 06:47:55 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 8 May 2024 08:27:04 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the most common complaint of people using Linux CLI or GUI
>>>>> tools is that they look dated.
>>>>
>>>> Are they taking Microsoft, of all people, as arbiters of good taste?
>>>
>>> There are definitely more people out there who are fans of the
>>> Microsoft aesthetics than there are people who appreciate the dated
>>> interfaces of open-source software. All of them will admit that the
>>> "ugly" software still does the job, but it appears that the way a
>>> program looks is as important as whether it completes the task.
>>
>> I don't admit it. And I don't like the Windows "aesthetic." I do find it
>> a bit amusing that Windows' users simultaneously claim that 1) Linux
>> copies the Windows desktop and 2) It has a dated interface.
>
> Both are true, 1) Linux indeed copies features and aesthetics of both
> Windows and Mac OS but 2) does a very poor job of getting it right, in my
> cases. The lack of consistency is very noticeable, and you'll have
> something like the default desktop of Ubuntu which looks incredible...
> until you open up a program which doesn't fit with the overall look at all.

Like Microsoft's own system apps that revert to some old-style GUI rather
than the flat-ass Win 10+ interface?

Or applications that provide their own window decoration no matter what
OS they're on?

>> Actually Linux has a LOT of interfaces. Windows only has one, and it's
>> "dated" and ugly in my opinion.
>
> I like the look myself, but find that it quickly gets boring. In fact,
> that's probably why I like installing Linux and trying something else out
> all the time.

I hear you on that one. Though I kind of fixate on Fluxbox (or Xfce4)
and use lxappearance, gtk-chtheme, gtk-theme-switch2,
xfce4-appearance-settings, Fluxbox themes, or qt5ct to get a more harmonious
look).

--
The naked truth of it is, I have no shirt.
-- William Shakespeare, "Love's Labour's Lost"

On Sat, 11 May 2024 14:16:18 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:33:22 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-05-09, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 06:47:55 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 8 May 2024 08:27:04 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the most common complaint of people using Linux CLI or GUI
>>>>>> tools is that they look dated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are they taking Microsoft, of all people, as arbiters of good taste?
>>>>
>>>> There are definitely more people out there who are fans of the
>>>> Microsoft aesthetics than there are people who appreciate the dated
>>>> interfaces of open-source software. All of them will admit that the
>>>> "ugly" software still does the job, but it appears that the way a
>>>> program looks is as important as whether it completes the task.
>>>
>>> I don't admit it. And I don't like the Windows "aesthetic." I do find
>>> it a bit amusing that Windows' users simultaneously claim that 1)
>>> Linux copies the Windows desktop and 2) It has a dated interface.
>>
>> Both are true, 1) Linux indeed copies features and aesthetics of both
>> Windows and Mac OS but 2) does a very poor job of getting it right, in
>> my cases. The lack of consistency is very noticeable, and you'll have
>> something like the default desktop of Ubuntu which looks incredible...
>> until you open up a program which doesn't fit with the overall look at
>> all.
>
> Like Microsoft's own system apps that revert to some old-style GUI
> rather than the flat-ass Win 10+ interface?
>
> Or applications that provide their own window decoration no matter what
> OS they're on?

To be fair, no one uses Windows' system apps. WordPad's lack of use, in
particular, is a shame. It really was more than most people needed.

>>> Actually Linux has a LOT of interfaces. Windows only has one, and it's
>>> "dated" and ugly in my opinion.
>>
>> I like the look myself, but find that it quickly gets boring. In fact,
>> that's probably why I like installing Linux and trying something else
>> out all the time.
>
> I hear you on that one. Though I kind of fixate on Fluxbox (or Xfce4)
> and use lxappearance, gtk-chtheme, gtk-theme-switch2,
> xfce4-appearance-settings, Fluxbox themes, or qt5ct to get a more
> harmonious look).

I alwaus end up missing the Buuf icons. I kind of wish I could use them in
Windows. The fact that my desktop looks like everyone else's (except for
the animated wallpaper courtesy of ArmouryCrate), does a lot to bore me.

On 10 May 2024 12:03:52 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

>> On Linux, many GUI programs save their user prefs in text files, which
>> are easy to manage in this way.
>
> And if an update goes wrong and locks you out of your system, it also
> locks you out of those preferences.

No it doesn’t. If the internal drive is not bootable, I can boot off
external media, using a distro purpose-built for this sort of thing, like
SystemRescue.

On Linux, the most common reasons for an unbootable system are easy to
fix.

On Sun, 12 May 2024 00:43:37 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 10 May 2024 12:03:52 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>>> On Linux, many GUI programs save their user prefs in text files, which
>>> are easy to manage in this way.
>>
>> And if an update goes wrong and locks you out of your system, it also
>> locks you out of those preferences.
>
> No it doesn’t. If the internal drive is not bootable, I can boot off
> external media, using a distro purpose-built for this sort of thing,
> like SystemRescue.
>
> On Linux, the most common reasons for an unbootable system are easy to
> fix.

If you only have one computer, and your system has suddenly become
unbootable as a result of an update, how will you go about procuring
SystemRescue?

On 12 May 2024 01:23:06 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> If you only have one computer, and your system has suddenly become
> unbootable as a result of an update, how will you go about procuring
> SystemRescue?

I already have it handy on a USB stick.

“Be prepared” is not just the Scouts’ motto. It’s part of my job.

On Sun, 12 May 2024 02:55:45 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 12 May 2024 01:23:06 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> If you only have one computer, and your system has suddenly become
>> unbootable as a result of an update, how will you go about procuring
>> SystemRescue?
>
> I already have it handy on a USB stick.
>
> “Be prepared” is not just the Scouts’ motto. It’s part of my job.

There's nothing wrong with being prepapred, admittedly.

Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Sun, 12 May 2024 02:55:45 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On 12 May 2024 01:23:06 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> If you only have one computer, and your system has suddenly become
>>> unbootable as a result of an update, how will you go about procuring
>>> SystemRescue?
>>
>> I already have it handy on a USB stick.
>>
>> “Be prepared” is not just the Scouts’ motto. It’s part of my job.
>
> There's nothing wrong with being prepapred, admittedly.

Funny song from Tom Lehrer, apropos of nothing:

Be prepared
That's the Boy Scouts' marching song
Be prepared
As through life you march along
Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well
Don't write naughty words on walls if you can't spell

Be prepared
To hide that pack of cigarettes
Don't make book
If you cannot cover bets
Keep those reefers hidden where you're sure
That they won't be found
And be careful not to smoke them
When the scoutmaster's around
For he only will insist that they be shared
Be prepared

Be prepared
That's the Boy Scouts' solemn creed
Be prepared
And be clean in word and deed
Don't solicit for your sister, that's not nice
Unless you get a good percentage of her price

Be prepared
And be careful not to do
Your good deeds
When there's no one watching you
If you're looking for adventure
Of a new and different kind
And you come across a Girl Scout
Who is similarly inclined
Don't be nervous, don't be flustered, don't be scared
Be prepared

--
All say, "How hard it is that we have to die"--a strange complaint to come from
the mouths of people who have had to live.
-- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 12:09 this Saturday (GMT):
> On Sat, 11 May 2024 07:53:45 +0000, RonB wrote:
>> The main thing that drives me nuts about Thunderbird is that, when I
>> pick a specific font (and choose that as my default), it reverts back to
>> the generic font whenever I sneeze, or move my cursor wrong or whatever.
>> I think Microsoft Word used to do that too. What part of "this is my
>> default font" don't they understand? It's part of the Microsoft Word
>> disease, where the retarded program is trying to think for you.
>
> Admittedly, I don't recall Thunderbird ever respecting my choice of font.

Weirdly, I remember it being DE-dependent. openbox used the default,
while XFCE uses my bitmap font.
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Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 00:25 this Sunday (GMT):
> On Sat, 11 May 2024 14:16:18 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:33:22 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-05-09, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 06:47:55 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 8 May 2024 08:27:04 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the most common complaint of people using Linux CLI or GUI
>>>>>>> tools is that they look dated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are they taking Microsoft, of all people, as arbiters of good taste?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are definitely more people out there who are fans of the
>>>>> Microsoft aesthetics than there are people who appreciate the dated
>>>>> interfaces of open-source software. All of them will admit that the
>>>>> "ugly" software still does the job, but it appears that the way a
>>>>> program looks is as important as whether it completes the task.
>>>>
>>>> I don't admit it. And I don't like the Windows "aesthetic." I do find
>>>> it a bit amusing that Windows' users simultaneously claim that 1)
>>>> Linux copies the Windows desktop and 2) It has a dated interface.
>>>
>>> Both are true, 1) Linux indeed copies features and aesthetics of both
>>> Windows and Mac OS but 2) does a very poor job of getting it right, in
>>> my cases. The lack of consistency is very noticeable, and you'll have
>>> something like the default desktop of Ubuntu which looks incredible...
>>> until you open up a program which doesn't fit with the overall look at
>>> all.
>>
>> Like Microsoft's own system apps that revert to some old-style GUI
>> rather than the flat-ass Win 10+ interface?
>>
>> Or applications that provide their own window decoration no matter what
>> OS they're on?
>
> To be fair, no one uses Windows' system apps. WordPad's lack of use, in
> particular, is a shame. It really was more than most people needed.

Notepad usually filled that need.. and it was the default. Though a
random fun fact, WordPad is stored in Win32, making it technically a
system-required app.

>>>> Actually Linux has a LOT of interfaces. Windows only has one, and it's
>>>> "dated" and ugly in my opinion.
>>>
>>> I like the look myself, but find that it quickly gets boring. In fact,
>>> that's probably why I like installing Linux and trying something else
>>> out all the time.
>>
>> I hear you on that one. Though I kind of fixate on Fluxbox (or Xfce4)
>> and use lxappearance, gtk-chtheme, gtk-theme-switch2,
>> xfce4-appearance-settings, Fluxbox themes, or qt5ct to get a more
>> harmonious look).
>
> I alwaus end up missing the Buuf icons. I kind of wish I could use them in
> Windows. The fact that my desktop looks like everyone else's (except for
> the animated wallpaper courtesy of ArmouryCrate), does a lot to bore me.

Yeah.
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Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 17:40 this Friday (GMT):
> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I don't like the Windows "aesthetic." I do find it a
>>bit amusing that Windows' users simultaneously claim that 1) Linux copies
>>the Windows desktop and 2) It has a dated interface.
>>
>>Actually Linux has a LOT of interfaces. Windows only has one, and it's
>>"dated" and ugly in my opinion.
>
>
> Cinnamon is supposedly a clone of Windows' interface, but that's the
> great thing, it's really an expansion on it. It gives me familiarity
> but without the heavy weight of Winblows.

Yeah, it feels "inspired by" rather than an outright clone.
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Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 13:08 this Friday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 16:04 this Thursday (GMT):
>>> Lester Thorpe wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 8 May 2024 09:51:03 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ImageMagick is cool. I use "convert" to create a PDF document to send
>>>>> filled-in forms. Scan each page and save as a JPEG, numbered to ensure page
>>>>> ordering, then:
>>>>
>>>> If you're scanning text documents, JPEG is a poor format. You should
>>>> use PNG or, the best, JBIG2.
>>>
>>> The issue is that the PNGs are a lot larger than JPEGs, which makes them
>>> sometimes impossible to email.
>>>
>>>> Also, ImageMagick is poor for creating PDF files. USE img2pdf or jbig2enc:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the tips. However, the current conversion has garnered no complaints
>>> from the recipients.
>>>
>>>> https://github.com/agl/jbig2enc
>>>>
>>>> https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf
>>
>> How strict is your email's attachment policy?
>
> Beats me. Just the thought of a 20 Mb attachment bugs me, though.

Fair. Maybe you could use split to send multiple emails.
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RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote at 17:43 this Friday (GMT):
> On 2024-05-10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On 09 May 2024 12:12:21 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> The advantage of using a web app for my e-mail provider (Posteo), is
>>> that I can create filters directly on the account rather than within a
>>> program.
>>
>> I would want something I can backup and restore, transfer to some other
>> system etc. Something under my control, not stuck on somebody else’s
>> server.
>>
>> On Linux, many GUI programs save their user prefs in text files, which are
>> easy to manage in this way.
>
> In slrn, for example, I can just copy my scorefile to another computer.
> Quick an easy.

And a .newsrc file!
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RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote at 17:34 this Friday (GMT):
> On 2024-05-09, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 17:00:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe they just saw it as "outdated"?
>>
>> They have certainly hired designers who try to say it is “outdated”.
>>
>> But the idea of Microsoft being arbiters of fashion, particularly GUI
>> fashion, on their clunky, non-customizable OS, is just laughable.
>
> Agreed.

To be fair, Win11 does look nice /on the surface/.
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:

>To be fair, Win11 does look nice /on the surface/.

It's an improvement over 10, I would say, but then it's also yet
another increase on demand of resources, it's funny, 21H2 (the
original version) wasn't anymore bloated than late Win10, but by now
that's changed, if I were to stick with M$ for the life of my
computer, 12 would not only be the dead-end upgrade for me, but would
keep bloating until 13 succeeded it, and I'd end up shooting myself or
switching to Linux. I decided to preemptively switch, thus.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:50:14 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

>>>>
>>>> The issue is that the PNGs are a lot larger than JPEGs, which makes them
>>>> sometimes impossible to email.
>>>>

Then use jbig2, or, for color, djvu.

>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the tips. However, the current conversion has garnered no complaints
>>>> from the recipients.
>>>>

Digital retards can't complain, and 99% of computer users are
digital retards.

But if a competent programmer ever discovered that you compress
text documents with JPEG, then your reputation would take a nose
dive.

>>>>> https://github.com/agl/jbig2enc
>>>>>
>>>>> https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf
>>>
>>> How strict is your email's attachment policy?
>>
>> Beats me. Just the thought of a 20 Mb attachment bugs me, though.
>
>
> Fair. Maybe you could use split to send multiple emails.

On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:50:13 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:

> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 00:25 this Sunday (GMT):
>> On Sat, 11 May 2024 14:16:18 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:33:22 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-05-09, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 06:47:55 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 May 2024 08:27:04 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the most common complaint of people using Linux CLI or
>>>>>>>> GUI tools is that they look dated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are they taking Microsoft, of all people, as arbiters of good
>>>>>>> taste?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are definitely more people out there who are fans of the
>>>>>> Microsoft aesthetics than there are people who appreciate the dated
>>>>>> interfaces of open-source software. All of them will admit that the
>>>>>> "ugly" software still does the job, but it appears that the way a
>>>>>> program looks is as important as whether it completes the task.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't admit it. And I don't like the Windows "aesthetic." I do
>>>>> find it a bit amusing that Windows' users simultaneously claim that
>>>>> 1) Linux copies the Windows desktop and 2) It has a dated interface.
>>>>
>>>> Both are true, 1) Linux indeed copies features and aesthetics of both
>>>> Windows and Mac OS but 2) does a very poor job of getting it right,
>>>> in my cases. The lack of consistency is very noticeable, and you'll
>>>> have something like the default desktop of Ubuntu which looks
>>>> incredible...
>>>> until you open up a program which doesn't fit with the overall look
>>>> at all.
>>>
>>> Like Microsoft's own system apps that revert to some old-style GUI
>>> rather than the flat-ass Win 10+ interface?
>>>
>>> Or applications that provide their own window decoration no matter
>>> what OS they're on?
>>
>> To be fair, no one uses Windows' system apps. WordPad's lack of use, in
>> particular, is a shame. It really was more than most people needed.
>
> Notepad usually filled that need.. and it was the default. Though a
> random fun fact, WordPad is stored in Win32, making it technically a
> system-required app.

Yet it is no longer going to be loaded onto computer using new Windows 11
versions. I presure people will still be able to install it through the
Optional System Components or whatever it is called, but it won't be there
by default. You'll need to use the online office.com suite instead. It is
better, but your documents are stored on Microsoft's servers, and you need
to be online to use it... as far as I know.

On 5/14/2024 4:48 AM, Lameass Larry Piet wrote:

> On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:50:14 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> But if a competent programmer ever discovered that you compress
> text documents with JPEG, then your reputation would take a nose
> dive.

It was Ahlstrom that did that, not candycane.

Regardless, who the fuck are you to be talking about odd uses of technology?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
LibreOffice has the capability to use CSV (i.e. text) files as
a read-only relational database. IOW, complex SQL queries can be
executed on the CSV data tables.

Just create each table as a separate CSV file and drop all tables
into a single directory. Then create a LO database using the directory.
LO will interpret each file in the directory as a table.

It's a simple but powerful way to store data and generate various reports.

Furthermore, the CSV data can be read and written back with LO Calc
which will allow deletions and updates.

In fact, I have chosen this method for my payroll processing program
which is a lot simpler than invoking a humongous SQL database like
MariaDB.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Carny-faced GuhNoo/LeeberOffice bitch Feeb, Jun 2019

What a clown.

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 12:52 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:50:13 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 00:25 this Sunday (GMT):
>>> On Sat, 11 May 2024 14:16:18 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:33:22 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-05-09, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 06:47:55 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 May 2024 08:27:04 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think the most common complaint of people using Linux CLI or
>>>>>>>>> GUI tools is that they look dated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are they taking Microsoft, of all people, as arbiters of good
>>>>>>>> taste?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are definitely more people out there who are fans of the
>>>>>>> Microsoft aesthetics than there are people who appreciate the dated
>>>>>>> interfaces of open-source software. All of them will admit that the
>>>>>>> "ugly" software still does the job, but it appears that the way a
>>>>>>> program looks is as important as whether it completes the task.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't admit it. And I don't like the Windows "aesthetic." I do
>>>>>> find it a bit amusing that Windows' users simultaneously claim that
>>>>>> 1) Linux copies the Windows desktop and 2) It has a dated interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> Both are true, 1) Linux indeed copies features and aesthetics of both
>>>>> Windows and Mac OS but 2) does a very poor job of getting it right,
>>>>> in my cases. The lack of consistency is very noticeable, and you'll
>>>>> have something like the default desktop of Ubuntu which looks
>>>>> incredible...
>>>>> until you open up a program which doesn't fit with the overall look
>>>>> at all.
>>>>
>>>> Like Microsoft's own system apps that revert to some old-style GUI
>>>> rather than the flat-ass Win 10+ interface?
>>>>
>>>> Or applications that provide their own window decoration no matter
>>>> what OS they're on?
>>>
>>> To be fair, no one uses Windows' system apps. WordPad's lack of use, in
>>> particular, is a shame. It really was more than most people needed.
>>
>> Notepad usually filled that need.. and it was the default. Though a
>> random fun fact, WordPad is stored in Win32, making it technically a
>> system-required app.
>
> Yet it is no longer going to be loaded onto computer using new Windows 11
> versions. I presure people will still be able to install it through the
> Optional System Components or whatever it is called, but it won't be there
> by default. You'll need to use the online office.com suite instead. It is
> better, but your documents are stored on Microsoft's servers, and you need
> to be online to use it... as far as I know.

I'm sorry /what/.
They're /removing notepad/?!
That is the STUPIDEST THING THEY COULD DO!
Absolutely ridiculous... how are you supposed to edit text files without
wifi then??
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:
>Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 12:52 this Tuesday (GMT):
>> On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:50:13 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 00:25 this Sunday (GMT):
>>>>
>>>> To be fair, no one uses Windows' system apps. WordPad's lack of use, in
>>>> particular, is a shame. It really was more than most people needed.
>>>
>>> Notepad usually filled that need.. and it was the default. Though a
>>> random fun fact, WordPad is stored in Win32, making it technically a
>>> system-required app.
>>
>> Yet it is no longer going to be loaded onto computer using new Windows 11
>> versions. I presure people will still be able to install it through the
>> Optional System Components or whatever it is called, but it won't be there
>> by default. You'll need to use the online office.com suite instead. It is
>> better, but your documents are stored on Microsoft's servers, and you need
>> to be online to use it... as far as I know.
>
>I'm sorry /what/.
>They're /removing notepad/?!
>That is the STUPIDEST THING THEY COULD DO!
>Absolutely ridiculous... how are you supposed to edit text files without
>wifi then??

He was talking about WordPad, not Notepad, although the "new" version
of the latter in Win11 is borked, I had to get a third party text
editor that Chris V. recommended (which was better than the classic
Notepad, I must say, more like what I have with Mint now). WordPad is
a relic, to say the least, if one wants something more than a text
editor, just get LO, I would say, that's all I ever used, regardless
of OS, for 20 years.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.