Fact check: 32 false claims Trump made to Joe Rogan

Daniel Dale
By Daniel Dale, CNN
14 minute read
Updated 2:19 PM EDT, Sun October 27, 2024
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Donald Trump sat down Friday with prominent podcast host Joe Rogan for a
conversational interview that ran for nearly three hours � and the former
president delivered his standard bombardment of false claims, at least 32
in all.

Many of those false claims are lies that were debunked months or even years
ago. The claims spanned a variety of topics, including immigration policy,
environmental and energy policy, the legitimacy of the 2020 election,
Trump�s record in office, Vice President Kamala Harris, crowd sizes, and
how schools deal with transgender children.

Here is a fact check of 32 false claims Trump made to Rogan. This is not
intended as a complete list of the inaccurate statements Trump uttered in
the interview; with just over a week to go until Election Day, we were
unable to look into every dubious assertion he made.
Immigration

Migrants and murderers: Trump repeated his frequent false claim that �we
had 13,099 murderers dropped in our country over the last three years.� In
reality, as the Department of Homeland Security and independent experts
have noted, that official figure is about immigrants with homicide
convictions in the US today who entered the country over decades, including
during Trump�s own administration, not over the past three years or under
the Biden administration. You can read more here.
Republican presidential nominee, former President Donald Trump attends a
rally in Coachella, California, on October 12, 2024. The rally was one of
multiple visits to blue states Trump has made during the campaign.

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Square Garden rally

Trump�s border wall: The former president falsely claimed, �You know, I
built 570 miles of wall.� That�s a significant exaggeration; official
government data shows 458 miles were built under Trump � including both
wall built where no barriers had existed before and wall built to replace
previous barriers.

Harris� border role: Trump repeated a regular false claim about Harris:
�She was in charge of the border.� She was not and is not; Homeland
Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas is the Biden administration official
in charge of border security. In reality, President Joe Biden gave Harris a
more limited immigration-related assignment in 2021, asking her to lead
diplomacy with El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras in an attempt to address
the conditions that prompted their citizens to try to migrate to the United
States.

The number of migrants: Trump claimed that at least �21 million� people
have illegally crossed the border during the Biden administration. Through
September, the country had recorded under 11 million nationwide
�encounters� with migrants during the Biden administration, including
millions who were rapidly expelled from the country; even adding in so-
called gotaways who evaded detection, estimated by House Republicans as
being roughly 2 million, there�s no way the total is �21 million.�
Elections, campaigns and crowds

The outcome of the 2020 election: Trump repeated his lie that he won the
2020 election, falsely claiming, �I won that second election so easy.� He
lost, fair and square, to Biden, who beat Trump 306-232 in the Electoral
College and earned over 7 million more votes than Trump.

The legitimacy of the 2020 election: Trump made various specific false
assertions about the 2020 election, claiming it was �crooked�; that his
opponents cheated using the guise of the Covid-19 pandemic; and, vaguely,
that it was marred by �old-fashioned ballot-screwing.� All of this is
baseless.

Polling in 2016: Trump told a story about how, he said, a Washington
Post/ABC News poll of Wisconsin during his 2016 race against Hillary
Clinton showed him �down 17 points the day before the election,� but he
knew it was wrong because of the size of his crowds, and he ended up
winning the state: �I was down 17 points in Wisconsin and I won; it�s
crooked stuff.� This story is false; the poll showing him down 17 the week
of the election came during his 2020 race against Biden, and he lost
Wisconsin that year � though by less than one percentage point.
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Michael Coleman

LAS VEGAS (KLAS) — Videos the 8 News Now Investigators obtained show an alleged hit man committing four murders as part of what detectives said was retaliation in a federal loan fraud scheme involving tens of millions of dollars.

Officers arrested Michael Coleman, 41, in May 2023 for the murder of Kidada Stewart, 48. In September, Las Vegas Metro police announced they connected Coleman to three more murders from 2021 and 2022. Earlier this month, a Clark County grand jury indicted Coleman for the additional murders.

On Monday, Feb 27, 2023, officers responded to a 911 from a person who said they heard several gunshots near Fort Apache Road and Mountains Edge Way in the southwest valley, 8 News Now reported at the time.

Officers later found Stewart deceased outside of a home. Police tracked Coleman to Stewart’s murder from a traffic stop in Arizona 12 hours after the shooting. Officers arrested him in May 2023 after a standoff.

Throughout the investigation, police learned of a man named Carl Chester who allegedly defrauded the government of several Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) loans, LVMPD Lt. Jason Johannson said. Chester and his associates would disperse the money and Chester would take a cut of the money for his work and help to get them the loan.

When Chester did not receive his cut of the money, he would threaten or use violence against the individuals to get his money, Johannson said. Chester would hire Coleman to kill those who shorted Chester of his money and if Coleman could not get to the targeted person, he would go after family members.

In May 2021, police suspect Coleman killed Benjamin McCarty, 49, while McCarty was working on his car in a parking lot in the 3900 block of Charleston Boulevard. Police said Coleman parked near McCarty and approached him before shooting and killing him.

Evidence the 8 News Now Investigators obtained showed video of a man police believe is Coleman running from the murder scene. Detectives also obtained photos from Coleman’s email, which they said showed him sending McCarty’s picture to Chester before the murder.

Coleman’s second murder charge involves the death of Marcus Larry, 39. Larry was shot multiple times inside the Teriyaki Madness on Charleston Boulevard near Town Center Drive. Police initially identified and arrested Oscar Richardson, Jr., Larry’s cousin, as the suspect, but he was later released once police obtained evidence that he was innocent.

Video from inside the restaurant shows Larry and a minor ordering food when a man barges in and shoots Larry and a cashier. The cashier survived and told the grand jury she spent five weeks in the hospital.

After the murder, police believe Coleman ditched the car he was driving at the nearby Red Rock Resort. DNA on the van’s handles later matched Coleman, police said.

In the third murder, Coleman is accused of shooting and killing William Hill Jr., 54, outside his home near Martin Luther King, Jr. and Lake Mead boulevards.

Police said the same red Hyundai that was used in Stewart’s case dropped Coleman off and Coleman shot Hill before being picked up by the Hyundai. The getaway driver was identified as Demarcus Banks who is now deceased.

Videos show the car parking near Hill’s house and then a man, who police believe is Coleman, walking toward the house.

Police said Hill’s murder was due to Hill’s son who is currently in prison on PPP loan fraud. Police said since Chester could not get to Hill’s son, they went after his father.

Chester, who organized the murders of Stewart, Larry and Hill, was murdered in May 2024 by members of Hill’s family in retaliation, police said. Metro police recently made more arrests connected to Chester’s murder.

Coleman remained in custody without bail as of Monday. A trial in the Stewart murder was scheduled to begin next month. Coleman was also scheduled to be arraigned in the combined criminal case for the three other murder charges next month.

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