On 2024-12-10 11:27, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> I'm not hiding that I'm aware of the enemies, if that's what you're
>>> saying.
>>
>> The fact that you think of them AS "enemies" is what gives you away.
>
>
> Microsoft doesn't hire programmers who misunderstand the game, Apple
> does.

Another statement intended to avoid actual meaning.

>
>
>>>>>>>>> Rise above Apple's AirTag scheme.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are Tiles a "scheme"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what that is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you're not very "elite" in your knowledge of the computer industry...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...or even just up on current events.
>>>>>
>>>>> I somehow missed it, yeah.
>>>>
>>>> Heh.
>>>
>>> Is it my fault, somehow?
>>
>> For being ignorant of a widely reported trend?
>>
>> Yup.
>
>
> OK.
>
>
>>>>>>>> Are all the other Bluetooth tracking devices a "scheme"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This isn't even an argument:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A device that lets you find lost or stolen items is a BOON.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple is making these things like name tags.
>>>>>> What do you even mean by that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You seem to go to great lengths to avoid saying things that can actually
>>>>>> be rebutted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Apple is making these things like name tags" means... ...what?
>>>>>
>>>>> They want you to purchase them like they were stickers with a written
>>>>> name.
>>>>
>>>> And from what do you get that?
>>>>
>>>> They're clearly NOT "stickers with a written name", so why do you think
>>>> that would be?
>>>
>>> It meant that Apple is producing them such that they could be just
>>> ubiquitous.
>> How is that a bad thing?
>
>
> They'll become just something to collect, at some point, I guess, it's
> weird. There are valid uses for them, but clearly they're being
> overproduced.
And you say that based on... ...what, exactly?

Why would they "become just something to collect"?

Why would anyone buy one OTHER than to use it to keep track of something?

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> Apple's laptops are actually pretty good, but it gets
>>>> worse with the desktops, the iMacs especially, very poor, the
>>>> minis/Studios are OK. But to get a simple Linux on ARM laptop, I'd go
>>>> to Dell.
>>> Which is not the point under discussion.
>>>
>>> You're supposed to be explaining how Apple is supposedly "quirky"
>>> because their "hardware options are finite."
>>
>> I think we've established that Dell offers a broad range of options
>> that Apple does not.
>We've established that makers of personal computers offer options.
>
>And the only difference between Dell and Apple is one of degree.
>
>So you agree that Dell's "hardware options are finite" and therefore...
>
>...that they, too, are "quirky".

False. Dell offers a plethora of options that Apple fails to match,
although with the MacBook line they're tolerable, and the mini/Studio
line is usable.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-10 12:13, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Apple's laptops are actually pretty good, but it gets
>>>>> worse with the desktops, the iMacs especially, very poor, the
>>>>> minis/Studios are OK. But to get a simple Linux on ARM laptop, I'd go
>>>>> to Dell.
>>>> Which is not the point under discussion.
>>>>
>>>> You're supposed to be explaining how Apple is supposedly "quirky"
>>>> because their "hardware options are finite."
>>>
>>> I think we've established that Dell offers a broad range of options
>>> that Apple does not.
>> We've established that makers of personal computers offer options.
>>
>> And the only difference between Dell and Apple is one of degree.
>>
>> So you agree that Dell's "hardware options are finite" and therefore...
>>
>> ...that they, too, are "quirky".
>
>
> False. Dell offers a plethora of options that Apple fails to match,
> although with the MacBook line they're tolerable, and the mini/Studio
> line is usable.
And that is a difference of DEGREE.

Let's try this one question at a time.

Are the options that Dell offers "finite"?

Yes or no.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> I'm not hiding that I'm aware of the enemies, if that's what you're
>>>> saying.
>>>
>>> The fact that you think of them AS "enemies" is what gives you away.
>>
>> Microsoft doesn't hire programmers who misunderstand the game, Apple
>> does.
>
>Another statement intended to avoid actual meaning.

Why doesn't Apple have its own kernel?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-10 12:15, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> I'm not hiding that I'm aware of the enemies, if that's what you're
>>>>> saying.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that you think of them AS "enemies" is what gives you away.
>>>
>>> Microsoft doesn't hire programmers who misunderstand the game, Apple
>>> does.
>>
>> Another statement intended to avoid actual meaning.
>
>
> Why doesn't Apple have its own kernel?
>

Before you ask "why doesn't"...

....you should really ask "does".

As in "Does Apple have its own kernel?"

You should go out and answer that for yourself.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>> You stated that Apple was "quirky" because:
>>>
>>> "But certainly the hardware options are finite."
>>>
>>> The hardware options of EVERY COMPUTER MANUFACTURER are finite, doofus.
>>>
>>> Is Dell "quirky" because of that?
>>>
>>> Is Asus or Acer?
>>
>> Ah, but if I want an ARM laptop from Dell, I can make it the way I
>> want, not just pick Apple's storage options. I can also delete Win11
>> and put Linux on it.
>And that makes Apple "quirky", does it?
>
>Even Dell only offers a limited set of configurations. There might be
>more configurations from them than from Apple, but that's a difference
>only of DEGREE.

No, it is not. Apple's laptops are actually pretty good, but it gets
worse with the desktops, the iMacs especially, very poor, the
minis/Studios are OK. But to get a simple Linux on ARM laptop, I'd go
to Dell.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:tg2hlj5nc7f1ua7jollcfengslq9h9vtnd@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> it is grossly disingenuous to try to compare what one company
>>>> offers to the grand sum of the rest of the companies of that industry.
>>>
>>> I'm only doing that in ways that reflect the main components Apple
>>> offers, and it does pretty well given that the Silicon SoC systems are
>>> nice. It does less well on value for price.
>>
>>Now you're just lying.
>>
>>You stated that Apple was "quirky" because:
>>
>>"But certainly the hardware options are finite."
>>
>>The hardware options of EVERY COMPUTER MANUFACTURER are finite, doofus.
>>
>>Is Dell "quirky" because of that?
>>
>>Is Asus or Acer?
>
>
> Ah, but if I want an ARM laptop from Dell,

Ok, so we're going to compare Apple to Dell, and ONLY DELL?

>I can make it the way I
> want, not just pick Apple's storage options.

No, you can only select the storage options provided by Dell.

> I can also delete Win11
> and put Linux on it.

You can also delete Mac OS and put on Linux.

So let's see.. in both cases you have the storage options provided by the
maker, and both can run Linux.

I'm failing to see any significant advantage that the DELL offers you.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> Apple programmers clearly have your mindset, and they can keep their
>>>> software and therefore their computers.
>>>
>>> You haven't the slightest inkling of what my "mindset" would be, doofus.
>>
>> Nor you mine.
>
>Your use of "enemies" gives you away.

I'm not hiding that I'm aware of the enemies, if that's what you're
saying.

>>>>>> Rise above Apple's AirTag scheme.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are Tiles a "scheme"?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what that is.
>>>
>>> Then you're not very "elite" in your knowledge of the computer industry...
>>>
>>> ...or even just up on current events.
>>
>> I somehow missed it, yeah.
>
>Heh.

Is it my fault, somehow?

>>>>> Are all the other Bluetooth tracking devices a "scheme"?
>>>>>
>>>>> This isn't even an argument:
>>>>>
>>>>> A device that lets you find lost or stolen items is a BOON.
>>>>
>>>> Apple is making these things like name tags.
>>> What do you even mean by that?
>>>
>>> You seem to go to great lengths to avoid saying things that can actually
>>> be rebutted.
>>>
>>> "Apple is making these things like name tags" means... ...what?
>>
>> They want you to purchase them like they were stickers with a written
>> name.
>
>And from what do you get that?
>
>They're clearly NOT "stickers with a written name", so why do you think
>that would be?

It meant that Apple is producing them such that they could be just
ubiquitous.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cm2hljd5286ss6j0bntj9qctpenbf4ngu1@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> Don't lose the items [so that one would need Apple AirTag devices]
>>>>>>> in the first place, derp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you're saying that if someone screws up, they should just have no
>>>>>> recourse?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you said rather more than that they aren't really useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You said they were "devilish".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Care to explain?
>>>>>
>>>>> Screwing up is all a mind game being played by the enemies with you.
>>>>
>>>> "enemies"? Good to know your mindset.
>>>
>>> Apple programmers clearly have your mindset, and they can keep their
>>> software and therefore their computers.
>>
>>You haven't the slightest inkling of what my "mindset" would be, doofus.
>
>
> Nor you mine.
>
>
>>>>> Apple gets the profit, you get to be a "beta" as the dumbasses say.
>>>>
>>>> "beta"? Good to know you're mindset.
>>>
>>> I wasn't using it as if I approve of it, but Apple profiteers
>>> certainly see a lot of uses of the devices as that.
>>
>>Why are Apple supposedly "profiteers" simply because they make a more
>>expensive product that a good many people prefer?
>>
>>Is any car company that offers something more upscale a "profiteer" too?
>
>
> Heh.

The noise of Joel's brain seizing...

>>>>> Rise above Apple's AirTag scheme.
>>>>
>>>> Are Tiles a "scheme"?
>>>
>>> I don't know what that is.
>>
>>Then you're not very "elite" in your knowledge of the computer industry...
>>
>>...or even just up on current events.
>
>
> I somehow missed it, yeah.

You seem to miss a lot of stuff.

>>>> Are all the other Bluetooth tracking devices a "scheme"?
>>>>
>>>> This isn't even an argument:
>>>>
>>>> A device that lets you find lost or stolen items is a BOON.
>>>
>>> Apple is making these things like name tags.
>>What do you even mean by that?
>>
>>You seem to go to great lengths to avoid saying things that can actually
>>be rebutted.
>>
>>"Apple is making these things like name tags" means... ...what?
>
>
> They want you to purchase them like they were stickers with a written
> name.

So?

All manufacturers want people to buy their products and preferably a lot of
them.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1e3hljd3280711b8kg2b464m6qmo1ofo4r@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> You stated that Apple was "quirky" because:
>>>>
>>>> "But certainly the hardware options are finite."
>>>>
>>>> The hardware options of EVERY COMPUTER MANUFACTURER are finite, doofus.
>>>>
>>>> Is Dell "quirky" because of that?
>>>>
>>>> Is Asus or Acer?
>>>
>>> Ah, but if I want an ARM laptop from Dell, I can make it the way I
>>> want, not just pick Apple's storage options. I can also delete Win11
>>> and put Linux on it.
>>And that makes Apple "quirky", does it?
>>
>>Even Dell only offers a limited set of configurations. There might be
>>more configurations from them than from Apple, but that's a difference
>>only of DEGREE.
>
>
> No, it is not. Apple's laptops are actually pretty good, but it gets
> worse with the desktops,

Based on what objective criteria?

> the iMacs especially, very poor,

Again, based on what objective criteria?

> the
> minis/Studios are OK. But to get a simple Linux on ARM laptop, I'd go
> to Dell.

We know that, what you've not told us is why you think an ARM laptop with
similar specs to a MacBook would be better for Linux given you can load
Linux on either.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> Why doesn't Apple have its own kernel?
>
>Before you ask "why doesn't"...
>
>...you should really ask "does".
>
>As in "Does Apple have its own kernel?"
>
>You should go out and answer that for yourself.

So Mach is entirely Apple's own creation?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>On 12/10/24 12:46 PM, Joel wrote:
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/10/24 11:01 AM, Joel wrote:
>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Rise above Apple's AirTag scheme.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are Tiles a "scheme"?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what that is.
>>>
>>> <https://www.tile.com>
>>>
>>> Tiles are a bluetooth tracker 'fob' which has been on the market
>>> for 3x longer than Apple's Airtags (10 years vs 3 years).
>>
>> Ludicrous product, really, although potentially useful.
>
>Hardly ludicrous at all: you've merely not grokked its utility.

Grokked, maybe, understood definitely not. I see the occasional uses
of them, but not to the extent they're being produced.

>For example, after an elderly relative after they'd misplaced their
>checkbooks, I attached a Tile to that object. It proved very useful in
>tracking it down the next time that they lost it: I was immediately
>able to confirm that the object was still in the house, and then tracked
>down acoustically: it had been stashed into a kitchen cabinet.

How neat.

>>> And Tile hasn't been doing the same thing, for longer?
>>> ...oh, and doing so while in the Android ecosystem to (COLA on-topic!).
>>
>> I'm amazed, yeah, Apple isn't alone in this madness.
>
>Apple's product differentiation was a replaceable battery.

Great.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-10 12:51, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> Dell offers a plethora of options that Apple fails to match,
>>> although with the MacBook line they're tolerable, and the mini/Studio
>>> line is usable.
>> And that is a difference of DEGREE.
>>
>> Let's try this one question at a time.
>>
>> Are the options that Dell offers "finite"?
>>
>> Yes or no.
>
>
> Everything is finite except God.
>

You can't answer straight. Got it.

But that's still a "yes", so:

Did you claim that the reason you think Apple is "quirky" was because
their "hardware options are finite."?

Yes or no.

On 2024-12-10 12:53, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> Why doesn't Apple have its own kernel?
>>
>> Before you ask "why doesn't"...
>>
>> ...you should really ask "does".
>>
>> As in "Does Apple have its own kernel?"
>>
>> You should go out and answer that for yourself.
>
>
> So Mach is entirely Apple's own creation?
Apple doesn't use the Mac kernel.

Try again.

On 2024-12-10 13:00, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 12/10/24 12:46 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/10/24 11:01 AM, Joel wrote:
>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rise above Apple's AirTag scheme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are Tiles a "scheme"?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what that is.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.tile.com>
>>>>
>>>> Tiles are a bluetooth tracker 'fob' which has been on the market
>>>> for 3x longer than Apple's Airtags (10 years vs 3 years).
>>>
>>> Ludicrous product, really, although potentially useful.
>>
>> Hardly ludicrous at all: you've merely not grokked its utility.
>
>
> Grokked, maybe, understood definitely not. I see the occasional uses
> of them, but not to the extent they're being produced.

So your claim is that you don't see a small object, which--for many of
its use cases--should be concealed, proves that they're being bought but
not used?

Really?

Look up the definition of "anecdotal".

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> Dell offers a plethora of options that Apple fails to match,
>>>> although with the MacBook line they're tolerable, and the mini/Studio
>>>> line is usable.
>>> And that is a difference of DEGREE.
>>>
>>> Let's try this one question at a time.
>>>
>>> Are the options that Dell offers "finite"?
>>>
>>> Yes or no.
>>
>> Everything is finite except God.
>
>You can't answer straight. Got it.
>
>But that's still a "yes", so:
>
>Did you claim that the reason you think Apple is "quirky" was because
>their "hardware options are finite."?
>
>Yes or no.

It's not because they're finite but because they're *so* *quirkily*
finite.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> Why doesn't Apple have its own kernel?
>>>
>>> Before you ask "why doesn't"...
>>>
>>> ...you should really ask "does".
>>>
>>> As in "Does Apple have its own kernel?"
>>>
>>> You should go out and answer that for yourself.
>>
>> So Mach is entirely Apple's own creation?
>Apple doesn't use the Mac kernel.
>
>Try again.

Your typo of "Mac" is funny, in that it would mean Apple's Mac
computers don't use *their own* kernel, but yes the macOS kernel is
derivative of Mach:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_(kernel)

Mach's derivatives are the basis of the operating system kernel in GNU
Hurd and of Apple's XNU kernel used in macOS, iOS, iPadOS, tvOS, and
watchOS.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-12-10 13:00, Joel wrote:
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/10/24 12:46 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 12/10/24 11:01 AM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rise above Apple's AirTag scheme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are Tiles a "scheme"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know what that is.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.tile.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tiles are a bluetooth tracker 'fob' which has been on the market
>>>>> for 3x longer than Apple's Airtags (10 years vs 3 years).
>>>>
>>>> Ludicrous product, really, although potentially useful.
>>>
>>> Hardly ludicrous at all: you've merely not grokked its utility.
>>
>> Grokked, maybe, understood definitely not. I see the occasional uses
>> of them, but not to the extent they're being produced.
>
>So your claim is that you don't see a small object, which--for many of
>its use cases--should be concealed, proves that they're being bought but
>not used?
>
>Really?
>
>Look up the definition of "anecdotal".

OK, but why are you around all these organized thieves with your
valuable gear, that would necessitate the AirTag? It's weird.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-10 13:17, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Dell offers a plethora of options that Apple fails to match,
>>>>> although with the MacBook line they're tolerable, and the mini/Studio
>>>>> line is usable.
>>>> And that is a difference of DEGREE.
>>>>
>>>> Let's try this one question at a time.
>>>>
>>>> Are the options that Dell offers "finite"?
>>>>
>>>> Yes or no.
>>>
>>> Everything is finite except God.
>>
>> You can't answer straight. Got it.
>>
>> But that's still a "yes", so:
>>
>> Did you claim that the reason you think Apple is "quirky" was because
>> their "hardware options are finite."?
>>
>> Yes or no.
>
>
> It's not because they're finite but because they're *so* *quirkily*
> finite.
>

That's not what you said.

What a shocker that you're changing your argument.

So, what is, "quirkily* finite." supposed to mean?

On 2024-12-10 13:21, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Why doesn't Apple have its own kernel?
>>>>
>>>> Before you ask "why doesn't"...
>>>>
>>>> ...you should really ask "does".
>>>>
>>>> As in "Does Apple have its own kernel?"
>>>>
>>>> You should go out and answer that for yourself.
>>>
>>> So Mach is entirely Apple's own creation?
>> Apple doesn't use the Mac kernel.
>>
>> Try again.
>
>
> Your typo of "Mac" is funny, in that it would mean Apple's Mac
> computers don't use *their own* kernel, but yes the macOS kernel is
> derivative of Mach:

I never said it wasn't.

>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_(kernel)
>
> Mach's derivatives are the basis of the operating system kernel in GNU
> Hurd and of Apple's XNU kernel used in macOS, iOS, iPadOS, tvOS, and
> watchOS.
And XNU therefore isn't Mach and Mach is NOT the kernel that Apple uses.

So the answer is to the question, "Does Apple have its own kernel?"...

....is:

Yes. Apple uses a kernel called XNU that they developed from Mach and
other sources with huge amounts of their own work as well.

Now, here's a question for you:

Why is it even important which kernel Apple uses?

On 2024-12-10 13:23, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-10 13:00, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/10/24 12:46 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/10/24 11:01 AM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rise above Apple's AirTag scheme.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are Tiles a "scheme"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what that is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.tile.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tiles are a bluetooth tracker 'fob' which has been on the market
>>>>>> for 3x longer than Apple's Airtags (10 years vs 3 years).
>>>>>
>>>>> Ludicrous product, really, although potentially useful.
>>>>
>>>> Hardly ludicrous at all: you've merely not grokked its utility.
>>>
>>> Grokked, maybe, understood definitely not. I see the occasional uses
>>> of them, but not to the extent they're being produced.
>>
>> So your claim is that you don't see a small object, which--for many of
>> its use cases--should be concealed, proves that they're being bought but
>> not used?
>>
>> Really?
>>
>> Look up the definition of "anecdotal".
>
>
> OK, but why are you around all these organized thieves with your
> valuable gear, that would necessitate the AirTag? It's weird.
Why do you imagine that they're "organized thieves"?

Do you agree that people lose/misplace things?

Yes or no.

Do you agree that airlines mishandle and/or lose checked bags?

Yes or no.

Do you agree that many people have valuable items stolen?

Yes or no.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> Everything is finite except God.
>>>
>>> You can't answer straight. Got it.
>>>
>>> But that's still a "yes", so:
>>>
>>> Did you claim that the reason you think Apple is "quirky" was because
>>> their "hardware options are finite."?
>>>
>>> Yes or no.
>>
>> It's not because they're finite but because they're *so* *quirkily*
>> finite.
>
>That's not what you said.
>
>What a shocker that you're changing your argument.
>
>So, what is, "quirkily* finite." supposed to mean?

If you want to run macOS, you have to have Apple hardware. The
options for such are limited.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-10 14:14, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Everything is finite except God.
>>>>
>>>> You can't answer straight. Got it.
>>>>
>>>> But that's still a "yes", so:
>>>>
>>>> Did you claim that the reason you think Apple is "quirky" was because
>>>> their "hardware options are finite."?
>>>>
>>>> Yes or no.
>>>
>>> It's not because they're finite but because they're *so* *quirkily*
>>> finite.
>>
>> That's not what you said.
>>
>> What a shocker that you're changing your argument.
>>
>> So, what is, "quirkily* finite." supposed to mean?
>
>
> If you want to run macOS, you have to have Apple hardware. The
> options for such are limited.
>

And around the circle we go!

You claimed that Apple was "quirky" because their "hardware options are
finite.".

But that is true of EVERY maker of personal computers.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_(kernel)
>>
>> Mach's derivatives are the basis of the operating system kernel in GNU
>> Hurd and of Apple's XNU kernel used in macOS, iOS, iPadOS, tvOS, and
>> watchOS.
>And XNU therefore isn't Mach and Mach is NOT the kernel that Apple uses.

Uh huh.

>So the answer is to the question, "Does Apple have its own kernel?"...
>
>...is:
>
>Yes. Apple uses a kernel called XNU that they developed from Mach and
>other sources with huge amounts of their own work as well.
>
>Now, here's a question for you:
>
>Why is it even important which kernel Apple uses?

They didn't build it from scratch, like Winblows NT did. Why did
Gates hire Cutler? Why did Apple wish they could've?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> <https://www.tile.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tiles are a bluetooth tracker 'fob' which has been on the market
>>>>>>> for 3x longer than Apple's Airtags (10 years vs 3 years).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ludicrous product, really, although potentially useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hardly ludicrous at all: you've merely not grokked its utility.
>>>>
>>>> Grokked, maybe, understood definitely not. I see the occasional uses
>>>> of them, but not to the extent they're being produced.
>>>
>>> So your claim is that you don't see a small object, which--for many of
>>> its use cases--should be concealed, proves that they're being bought but
>>> not used?
>>>
>>> Really?
>>>
>>> Look up the definition of "anecdotal".
>>
>> OK, but why are you around all these organized thieves with your
>> valuable gear, that would necessitate the AirTag? It's weird.
>Why do you imagine that they're "organized thieves"?
>
>Do you agree that people lose/misplace things?
>
>Yes or no.
>
>Do you agree that airlines mishandle and/or lose checked bags?
>
>Yes or no.
>
>Do you agree that many people have valuable items stolen?
>
>Yes or no.

Some travelers with particularly valuable luggage will want them, I
get. The way Apple is spewing them to the public is weird.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.