On 9/24/24 07:22, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Bobbie Sellers" <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
> news:vctbtc$32ikf$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 9/23/24 17:54, % wrote:
>>> Joel wrote:
>>>> Lisa <lisa@cubepeople.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <5qu3fjtt8c8s1qf1halpf7bem7sv3v96e3@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com>
>>>>> Klaus  Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent?.@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <crickets>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
>>>> retardation.
>>>>
>>> oh yes you will it's what you do
>>
>> Well you keep baiting Joel and he is foolish enough to respond.
>>
>> None of the nasty attackers of the status of Transgender women have
>> answered my basic question.
>
>> How many transgender women do you know?
>
> Do you mean a woman who dresses as a man or a man who dresses as a woman?
>
> Are you using woman literally or figuratively?
>
>
>

You see you know nothing about trangender folks at all.

Gender and sex are two different things which you confuse.

A gender conflicted person is designated as trangender womon though
girl might be better as they will never have children from their
body or experience menses. But "transgender woman" is less dismissive
of personal achievements & experience.

Transgender men on the other hand may have children and may
experience menses but are very uncomfortable with these sometimes
having really painful periods which may exhaberate the transgender
conflict.

When I grew up their was no term to apply to feelings like this
and if a person cross-dressed they were simply called transvestites or
in some circumstances drag queens or kings. I remember reading a novel
at one time set in LA where two transvestites, married, were waiting at
a bus stop and i thought that an ideal solution for them.

bliss

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On 9/24/24 07:18, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Klaus  Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
> wrote in message
> news:5qu3fjtt8c8s1qf1halpf7bem7sv3v96e3@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com...
>> [Default]  Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>
>>> Klaus  Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> [Default]  Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>> reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
>>>>>>> problem with "basis
>>>>>>> for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>>>>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you
>>>>>> aren't is a
>>>>>> mental health issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
>>>>
>>>> That's scientific fact.
>>>>
>>>> o   He's never been a woman
>>
>> <CRICKETS>
>>
>>>> o   He's not a woman now
>>
>> <CRICKETS>
>>
>>>> o   He'll never be a woman.
>>
>> <CRICKETS>
>>
>>>>
>>>> This might help you.
>>>> https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg
>>
>> <CRICKETS>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> You're a transphobe.
>>
>> Once again. Joel tried-- and fails -- to weaponize  'phobia'  to avoid
>> debating arguments he can't hope to win.
>>
>> LOL
>
> The mental illness and denial is deep within the one known as Joel.

Now where did you get your psychiatic degree?

And who is calling others names and labeling?

You guys denying the transgender reality are putting out
an ignorant POV. If you read the Bible there are remarks about
those who make themselves Eunuchs for the sake of G*d. So
transgenderism has been around since BC times. Of course the
RC Church interprets this as the celibacy of priests but
since they have so much trouble with keeping their hands
off women and children I think they should face the fact that
this remark in the Bible is to be taken more literally.
They even deny orders to Eunuchs which once were quite popular
in that in order to keep youthful voices they castrated a
good many male children to keep them in the chorus. Of
course later on the Castrati emerged as a entertainment
option.
Very powerful voices and for some reason attractive
to women.

bliss

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On 9/24/24 07:15, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Klaus  Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
> wrote in message
> news:enj2fjll9nupi4og75ck40bj2882pcs1no@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com...
>> [Default]  Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>
>>> reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
>>>>> problem with "basis
>>>>> for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you aren't
>>>> is a
>>>> mental health issue.
>>>
>>>
>>> Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
>>
>> That's scientific fact.
>
> Do you know that scientific fact is so last week..
>
> Today we've established that bullets can't kill if fired directly into
> your skull..
>
> Joel will now have to prove he's keeping up with the times by doing so.
>
Joel will let you go first but as far as killing people with
bullets to the brain, back in the 19th Century a Native American was
shot in the head. He got back on his horse, rode into town, found
the man who shot him then killed him and died.

Will does not reside only in the brain. You have more neurons
in your gut than you have in your brain.

But what test subjects did you use for extablishing your
scientific fact? Did you publish in a peer-reviewed journal?

Please provide references as a URL.

bliss

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Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 9/24/24 07:15, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Klaus  Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>> wrote in message
>> news:enj2fjll9nupi4og75ck40bj2882pcs1no@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com...
>>
>>> [Default]  Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>
>>>> reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
>>>>>> problem with "basis
>>>>>> for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>>>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you aren't
>>>>> is a
>>>>> mental health issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
>>>
>>> That's scientific fact.
>>
>> Do you know that scientific fact is so last week..
>>
>> Today we've established that bullets can't kill if fired directly into
>> your skull..
>>
>> Joel will now have to prove he's keeping up with the times by doing so.
>>
>     Joel will let you go first but as far as killing people with
> bullets to the brain, back in the 19th Century a Native American was
> shot in the head.  He got back on his horse, rode into town, found
> the man who shot him then killed him and died.
>
>     Will does not reside only in the brain. You have more neurons
> in your gut than you have in your brain.
>
>     But what test subjects did you use for extablishing your
> scientific fact? Did you publish in a peer-reviewed journal?
>
>     Please provide references as a URL.
>
>     bliss
>
oh shut the fk up

On 9/24/24 07:13, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hul1fj13eg6mq7hps0m92eufg45jd77o6t@4ax.com...
>> reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
>>>> problem with "basis
>>>> for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>>
>>> You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you aren't is a
>>> mental health issue.
>>
>>
>> Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
>
> So being mentally insane is a "sign of the times"?
>
> If murder rates go up does that mean you should go out and start killing
> people?
>
> After all, you wouldn't want to be "behind the times" by not engaging in
> murder.. right?
>
> I will simply note that Joel feels insanity is a "sign of the times" so
> everyone should practice insanity.

Everyone does practice insanity as far as an objective observer
can conclude. They do not need to try as it seems to be built into most
varieties pf social organization. Take a look at Russia invading Ukraine
to attempt to help create an autocrat's vision of the Russian Empire.
China has nothing to fear from anyone but themselves and they work them-
selves up over the independence of Taiwan from the mainland.
Israel versus the Palestinians where the Israels by their actions ensure
the future membership of HAMAS and the HEZBOLLAH Terrorist groups.
Hindus quarreling and murdering Muslims and vice versa.

In the USA we have people, basically fundamentalist in their
religious beliefs, who kick their gay children or pregnant daughters
out of the house. Deprived of the parental backing they may suffer
a great deal and be reduced to prostitution which those fundamentalist
parents point out as the nature of their deviance from the parents
ideals. Good and loving parents are the best things for children and
lead them to higher attainments.

When you see what the world and parents do to people you
might just find that a girl with a penis is a very unimportant
matter for the amount of discussion and fuss raised about
this very tiny minority of people. But the conservatives have
to divert attention from their lack of care for the national
welfare.

bliss

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Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>
> In the USA we have people, basically fundamentalist in their
> religious beliefs, who kick their gay children or pregnant daughters
> out of the house. Deprived of the parental backing they may suffer

In the USA we have become a nation of cellar-dwelling adult kids
malingering around the home well into their 30s!

Booting the faggots only means they have to find work and a rental, wah!

--
⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

Mittens Romney <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:
>Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>> In the USA we have people, basically fundamentalist in their
>> religious beliefs, who kick their gay children or pregnant daughters
>> out of the house. Deprived of the parental backing they may suffer
>
>In the USA we have become a nation of cellar-dwelling adult kids
>malingering around the home well into their 30s!
>
>Booting the faggots only means they have to find work and a rental, wah!

OK boomer.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 9/24/24 07:31, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Bobbie Sellers" <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
> news:vcr62e$2k8ko$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 9/22/24 18:00, Joel wrote:
>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I have a GF.
>>>>
>>>> No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap
>>>> fake.
>>>> Some dud in a dress.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
>>>
>>
>> Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
>> culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender
>
> I suppose race is also left up too the individual. I mean if someone
> that originated in say Japan decided she wants to be a black guy.,. that
> becomes reality?

Some black people in Japan are throughly discriminated against
but not as much as the native Japanese with the wrong ancestry. If
a Japanese family for many hundreds of years was confined to the trade
of leather which involved non-buddhist approved work of killing animals
and tanning the hides they are unaccepable to families that were
merely farmers, merchants or samurai.
Oh and the black people in Japan are a result of the occupation
of Japan after WW II. They are black in the same sense as the
segregationist ideal of one drop of black blood. Bothe the Chinese
and the Japanese are both prejudiced against "other races".

> I mean there are so many benefits to identifying as a minority.. special
> government contracts, aid to start a business, even government funding.
> So why can't someone simply identify as black and gain all these
> benefits. I mean we just claim that biology has nothing to do with race.
> Right?
>

Benefits from the government are far less than a lot of white
people think.

Actually there have been people who attempted to cross races
for certain reasons but they seem to have been detected as their
racial/ethenc group had not suffered the discrimination for which
the black group has been given very limited benefits.

When you read about the government approved discrimination
to which black people have been subjected it makes you want to
throw up. Not just the national government either. The state of New
York passed laws depriving black people of property rights so that
rich white people could exploit their properties and that was after
the Civil War.

In Southern California a black man and his family acquired
during segregation a beach front property which became a black
used resort. The municipality seized that property on behalf of
the white property owners who thought black people brought
property values down. They had moved to the west Coast to escape
the Black Codes of the un-reconstructed South.
Recently this injustice has been, in some small measure,
corrected.

bliss

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b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com

On 9/24/24 09:20, Mittens Romney wrote:
> Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>> In the USA we have people, basically fundamentalist in their
>> religious beliefs, who kick their gay children or pregnant daughters
>> out of the house. Deprived of the parental backing they may suffer
>
> In the USA we have become a nation of cellar-dwelling adult kids
> malingering around the home well into their 30s!
>
> Booting the faggots only means they have to find work and a rental, wah!
>

Well finding work is one thing. Depends on education and acquired
skills. Finding a job in San Francisco for a person
evicted from parental support before they finished HS is possible
but the apartment usually a studio will have to be shared because
rents in San Francisco are sky high. Even people with skills but
lower pay cannot afford to live alone.

Generally by the way gay men have the easier time finding
work and housing than the transgender people and the Lesbians.
Bisexuals fit right in

I can only afford to live in San Francisco because we have
rent control for occupied apartments and i have been here for nearly
50 years in the same space. Even with rent control my rent is about
5 X what I paid when I moved in. San Francisco is not the only
larger city where we have tolerance toward LBGTQ+ people but it may be
the most famous and therefore we get lots of people coming here
to live their lives. We have all sorts of folks who come here
to study art and other matters from nursing to any medical
specialty. What we do not have is enough cheap housing to get
all the homeless off the streets.

I remember when the Covid-19 restriction hit my neighbors
who worked in hospitality had to leave the city as the places
where they worked, bars and restaurants were shut down and they
had no income. But the apartment which likely is rented for
a good deal more than my own was occupied by a nice young couple,
as soon as it had been refurbished.

bliss

--
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On 9/24/24 08:53, % wrote:
> Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 9/24/24 07:15, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Klaus  Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>> wrote in message
>>> news:enj2fjll9nupi4og75ck40bj2882pcs1no@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com...
>>>> [Default]  Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>
>>>>> reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
>>>>>>> problem with "basis
>>>>>>> for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>>>>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you
>>>>>> aren't is a
>>>>>> mental health issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
>>>>
>>>> That's scientific fact.
>>>
>>> Do you know that scientific fact is so last week..
>>>
>>> Today we've established that bullets can't kill if fired directly
>>> into your skull..
>>>
>>> Joel will now have to prove he's keeping up with the times by doing so.
>>>
>>      Joel will let you go first but as far as killing people with
>> bullets to the brain, back in the 19th Century a Native American was
>> shot in the head.  He got back on his horse, rode into town, found
>> the man who shot him then killed him and died.
>>
>>      Will does not reside only in the brain. You have more neurons
>> in your gut than you have in your brain.
>>
>>      But what test subjects did you use for extablishing your
>> scientific fact? Did you publish in a peer-reviewed journal?
>>
>>      Please provide references as a URL.
>>
>>      bliss
>>
> oh shut the fk up

Sorry this is Usenet. Your orders carry no weight here.

Oh I must have stepped on your culturaly sensitive toes,
sorry I hurt your "fee-fees" snowflake %.

bliss

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Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 9/24/24 07:31, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Bobbie Sellers" <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in
>> message news:vcr62e$2k8ko$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 9/22/24 18:00, Joel wrote:
>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I have a GF.
>>>>>
>>>>> No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap
>>>>> fake.
>>>>> Some dud in a dress.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
>>> culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender
>>
>> I suppose race is also left up too the individual. I mean if someone
>> that originated in say Japan decided she wants to be a black guy.,.
>> that becomes reality?
>
>     Some black people in Japan are throughly discriminated against
> but not as much as the native Japanese with the wrong ancestry. If
> a Japanese family for many hundreds of years was confined to the trade
> of leather which involved non-buddhist approved work of killing animals
> and tanning the hides they are unaccepable to families that were
> merely farmers, merchants or samurai.
>     Oh and the black people in Japan are a result of the occupation
> of Japan after WW II. They are black in the same sense as the
> segregationist ideal of one drop of black blood.  Bothe the Chinese
> and the Japanese are both prejudiced against "other races".
>
>
>> I mean there are so many benefits to identifying as a minority..
>> special government contracts, aid to start a business, even government
>> funding.
>> So why can't someone simply identify as black and gain all these
>> benefits. I mean we just claim that biology has nothing to do with
>> race. Right?
>>
>
>     Benefits from the government are far less than a lot of white
> people think.
>
>     Actually there have been people who attempted to cross races
> for certain reasons but they seem to have been detected as their
> racial/ethenc group had not suffered the discrimination for which
> the black group has been given very limited benefits.
>
>     When you read about the government approved discrimination
> to which black people have been subjected it makes you want to
> throw up. Not just the national government either. The state of New
> York passed laws depriving black people of property rights so that
> rich white people could exploit their properties and that was after
> the Civil War.
>
>     In Southern California a black man and his family acquired
> during segregation a beach front property which became a black
> used resort. The municipality seized that property on behalf of
> the white property owners who thought black people brought
> property values down. They had moved to the west Coast to escape
> the Black Codes of the un-reconstructed South.
>     Recently this injustice has been, in some small measure,
> corrected.
>
>     bliss
>
there will always be racism

Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 9/24/24 08:53, % wrote:
>> Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>> On 9/24/24 07:15, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Klaus  Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote in message
>>>> news:enj2fjll9nupi4og75ck40bj2882pcs1no@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com...
>>>>
>>>>> [Default]  Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
>>>>>>>> problem with "basis
>>>>>>>> for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>>>>>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you
>>>>>>> aren't is a
>>>>>>> mental health issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's scientific fact.
>>>>
>>>> Do you know that scientific fact is so last week..
>>>>
>>>> Today we've established that bullets can't kill if fired directly
>>>> into your skull..
>>>>
>>>> Joel will now have to prove he's keeping up with the times by doing so.
>>>>
>>>      Joel will let you go first but as far as killing people with
>>> bullets to the brain, back in the 19th Century a Native American was
>>> shot in the head.  He got back on his horse, rode into town, found
>>> the man who shot him then killed him and died.
>>>
>>>      Will does not reside only in the brain. You have more neurons
>>> in your gut than you have in your brain.
>>>
>>>      But what test subjects did you use for extablishing your
>>> scientific fact? Did you publish in a peer-reviewed journal?
>>>
>>>      Please provide references as a URL.
>>>
>>>      bliss
>>>
>> oh shut the fk up
>
>     Sorry this is Usenet. Your orders carry no weight here.
>
>     Oh I must have stepped on your culturaly sensitive toes,
> sorry I hurt your "fee-fees" snowflake %.
>
>     bliss
>
all that blab about don't have to but notice he did shut the fk up

On 9/24/24 12:45, % wrote:
> Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 9/24/24 08:53, % wrote:
>>> Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>> On 9/24/24 07:15, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Klaus  Schadenfreude"
>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:enj2fjll9nupi4og75ck40bj2882pcs1no@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com...
>>>>>> [Default]  Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
>>>>>>>>> problem with "basis
>>>>>>>>> for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>>>>>>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you
>>>>>>>> aren't is a
>>>>>>>> mental health issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's scientific fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know that scientific fact is so last week..
>>>>>
>>>>> Today we've established that bullets can't kill if fired directly
>>>>> into your skull..
>>>>>
>>>>> Joel will now have to prove he's keeping up with the times by doing
>>>>> so.
>>>>>
>>>>      Joel will let you go first but as far as killing people with
>>>> bullets to the brain, back in the 19th Century a Native American was
>>>> shot in the head.  He got back on his horse, rode into town, found
>>>> the man who shot him then killed him and died.
>>>>
>>>>      Will does not reside only in the brain. You have more neurons
>>>> in your gut than you have in your brain.
>>>>
>>>>      But what test subjects did you use for extablishing your
>>>> scientific fact? Did you publish in a peer-reviewed journal?
>>>>
>>>>      Please provide references as a URL.
>>>>
>>>>      bliss
>>>>
>>> oh shut the fk up
>>
>>      Sorry this is Usenet. Your orders carry no weight here.
>>
>>      Oh I must have stepped on your culturaly sensitive toes,
>> sorry I hurt your "fee-fees" snowflake %.
>>
>>      bliss
>>
> all that blab about don't have to but notice he did shut the fk up

Did you think so?
How naive you children are these days.
She laid down to rest a while, because
being 87 YOA she does not desire conflict but you
imbecilic Trolls keep invading talk.politics.drugs.
bliss

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On 9/24/24 12:43, % wrote:
> Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 9/24/24 07:31, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bobbie Sellers" <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in
>>> message news:vcr62e$2k8ko$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 9/22/24 18:00, Joel wrote:
>>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a GF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a
>>>>>> cheap fake.
>>>>>> Some dud in a dress.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
>>>> culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender
>>>
>>> I suppose race is also left up too the individual. I mean if someone
>>> that originated in say Japan decided she wants to be a black guy.,.
>>> that becomes reality?
>>
>>      Some black people in Japan are throughly discriminated against
>> but not as much as the native Japanese with the wrong ancestry. If
>> a Japanese family for many hundreds of years was confined to the trade
>> of leather which involved non-buddhist approved work of killing animals
>> and tanning the hides they are unaccepable to families that were
>> merely farmers, merchants or samurai.
>>      Oh and the black people in Japan are a result of the occupation
>> of Japan after WW II. They are black in the same sense as the
>> segregationist ideal of one drop of black blood.  Bothe the Chinese
>> and the Japanese are both prejudiced against "other races".
>>
>>
>>> I mean there are so many benefits to identifying as a minority..
>>> special government contracts, aid to start a business, even
>>> government funding.
>>> So why can't someone simply identify as black and gain all these
>>> benefits. I mean we just claim that biology has nothing to do with
>>> race. Right?
>>>
>>
>>      Benefits from the government are far less than a lot of white
>> people think.
>>
>>      Actually there have been people who attempted to cross races
>> for certain reasons but they seem to have been detected as their
>> racial/ethenc group had not suffered the discrimination for which
>> the black group has been given very limited benefits.
>>
>>      When you read about the government approved discrimination
>> to which black people have been subjected it makes you want to
>> throw up. Not just the national government either. The state of New
>> York passed laws depriving black people of property rights so that
>> rich white people could exploit their properties and that was after
>> the Civil War.
>>
>>      In Southern California a black man and his family acquired
>> during segregation a beach front property which became a black
>> used resort. The municipality seized that property on behalf of
>> the white property owners who thought black people brought
>> property values down. They had moved to the west Coast to escape
>> the Black Codes of the un-reconstructed South.
>>      Recently this injustice has been, in some small measure,
>> corrected.
>>
>>      bliss
>>
> there will always be racism

Is that what racists tell themselves to avoid giving up
their racism ways.
bliss

--
b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com

Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 9/24/24 12:45, % wrote:
>> Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>> On 9/24/24 08:53, % wrote:
>>>> Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>> On 9/24/24 07:15, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Klaus  Schadenfreude"
>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:enj2fjll9nupi4og75ck40bj2882pcs1no@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Default]  Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
>>>>>>>>>> problem with "basis
>>>>>>>>>> for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>>>>>>>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you
>>>>>>>>> aren't is a
>>>>>>>>> mental health issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's scientific fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know that scientific fact is so last week..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today we've established that bullets can't kill if fired directly
>>>>>> into your skull..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joel will now have to prove he's keeping up with the times by
>>>>>> doing so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>      Joel will let you go first but as far as killing people with
>>>>> bullets to the brain, back in the 19th Century a Native American was
>>>>> shot in the head.  He got back on his horse, rode into town, found
>>>>> the man who shot him then killed him and died.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Will does not reside only in the brain. You have more neurons
>>>>> in your gut than you have in your brain.
>>>>>
>>>>>      But what test subjects did you use for extablishing your
>>>>> scientific fact? Did you publish in a peer-reviewed journal?
>>>>>
>>>>>      Please provide references as a URL.
>>>>>
>>>>>      bliss
>>>>>
>>>> oh shut the fk up
>>>
>>>      Sorry this is Usenet. Your orders carry no weight here.
>>>
>>>      Oh I must have stepped on your culturaly sensitive toes,
>>> sorry I hurt your "fee-fees" snowflake %.
>>>
>>>      bliss
>>>
>> all that blab about don't have to but notice he did shut the fk up
>
>     Did you think so?
>     How naive you children are these days.
>     She laid down to rest a while, because
> being 87 YOA she does not desire conflict but you
> imbecilic Trolls keep invading talk.politics.drugs.
>     bliss
>
i was invited here and i just might stay here ,
that'll be 2 or 300 post by me per day

Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 9/24/24 12:43, % wrote:
>> Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>> On 9/24/24 07:31, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bobbie Sellers" <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:vcr62e$2k8ko$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 9/22/24 18:00, Joel wrote:
>>>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a GF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a
>>>>>>> cheap fake.
>>>>>>> Some dud in a dress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
>>>>> culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender
>>>>
>>>> I suppose race is also left up too the individual. I mean if someone
>>>> that originated in say Japan decided she wants to be a black guy.,.
>>>> that becomes reality?
>>>
>>>      Some black people in Japan are throughly discriminated against
>>> but not as much as the native Japanese with the wrong ancestry. If
>>> a Japanese family for many hundreds of years was confined to the trade
>>> of leather which involved non-buddhist approved work of killing animals
>>> and tanning the hides they are unaccepable to families that were
>>> merely farmers, merchants or samurai.
>>>      Oh and the black people in Japan are a result of the occupation
>>> of Japan after WW II. They are black in the same sense as the
>>> segregationist ideal of one drop of black blood.  Bothe the Chinese
>>> and the Japanese are both prejudiced against "other races".
>>>
>>>
>>>> I mean there are so many benefits to identifying as a minority..
>>>> special government contracts, aid to start a business, even
>>>> government funding.
>>>> So why can't someone simply identify as black and gain all these
>>>> benefits. I mean we just claim that biology has nothing to do with
>>>> race. Right?
>>>>
>>>
>>>      Benefits from the government are far less than a lot of white
>>> people think.
>>>
>>>      Actually there have been people who attempted to cross races
>>> for certain reasons but they seem to have been detected as their
>>> racial/ethenc group had not suffered the discrimination for which
>>> the black group has been given very limited benefits.
>>>
>>>      When you read about the government approved discrimination
>>> to which black people have been subjected it makes you want to
>>> throw up. Not just the national government either. The state of New
>>> York passed laws depriving black people of property rights so that
>>> rich white people could exploit their properties and that was after
>>> the Civil War.
>>>
>>>      In Southern California a black man and his family acquired
>>> during segregation a beach front property which became a black
>>> used resort. The municipality seized that property on behalf of
>>> the white property owners who thought black people brought
>>> property values down. They had moved to the west Coast to escape
>>> the Black Codes of the un-reconstructed South.
>>>      Recently this injustice has been, in some small measure,
>>> corrected.
>>>
>>>      bliss
>>>
>> there will always be racism
>
>     Is that what racists tell themselves to avoid giving up
> their racism ways.
>
>     bliss
>
>
i don't know what they do ,
but it doesn't matter ,
there still will always be ,
here you are showing your racism toward me

" but you
imbecilic Trolls keep invading talk.politics.drugs. "

"Bobbie Sellers" <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
news:vcumkc$38c4c$2@dont-email.me...
> On 9/24/24 07:18, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>> wrote in message
>> news:5qu3fjtt8c8s1qf1halpf7bem7sv3v96e3@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com...
>>> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>
>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>> reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
>>>>>>>> problem with "basis
>>>>>>>> for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>>>>>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't
>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>> mental health issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's scientific fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> o He's never been a woman
>>>
>>> <CRICKETS>
>>>
>>>>> o He's not a woman now
>>>
>>> <CRICKETS>
>>>
>>>>> o He'll never be a woman.
>>>
>>> <CRICKETS>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This might help you.
>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg
>>>
>>> <CRICKETS>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're a transphobe.
>>>
>>> Once again. Joel tried-- and fails -- to weaponize 'phobia' to avoid
>>> debating arguments he can't hope to win.
>>>
>>> LOL
>>
>> The mental illness and denial is deep within the one known as Joel.
>
> Now where did you get your psychiatic degree?

Please list all your degree so that we can be insure you only talk about
subjects you have a degree in.. until then, by your own standards you have
nothing to say.. about anything.

"Bobbie Sellers" <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
news:vcum03$38c4c$1@dont-email.me...
> On 9/24/24 07:22, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Bobbie Sellers" <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
>> news:vctbtc$32ikf$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 9/23/24 17:54, % wrote:
>>>> Joel wrote:
>>>>> Lisa <lisa@cubepeople.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <5qu3fjtt8c8s1qf1halpf7bem7sv3v96e3@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com>
>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent?.@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <crickets>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
>>>>> retardation.
>>>>>
>>>> oh yes you will it's what you do
>>>
>>> Well you keep baiting Joel and he is foolish enough to respond.
>>>
>>> None of the nasty attackers of the status of Transgender women have
>>> answered my basic question.
>>
>>> How many transgender women do you know?
>>
>> Do you mean a woman who dresses as a man or a man who dresses as a woman?
>>
>> Are you using woman literally or figuratively?
>>
>>
>>
>
> You see you know nothing about trangender folks at all.
>
> Gender and sex are two different things which you confuse.

Post your degree

On 9/25/24 07:43, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Bobbie Sellers" <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
> news:vcumkc$38c4c$2@dont-email.me...
>> On 9/24/24 07:18, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Klaus  Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>> wrote in message
>>> news:5qu3fjtt8c8s1qf1halpf7bem7sv3v96e3@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com...
>>>> [Default]  Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>
>>>>> Klaus  Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> [Default]  Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>>> reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
>>>>>>>>> problem with "basis
>>>>>>>>> for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>>>>>>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you
>>>>>>>> aren't is a
>>>>>>>> mental health issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's scientific fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> o   He's never been a woman
>>>>
>>>> <CRICKETS>
>>>>
>>>>>> o   He's not a woman now
>>>>
>>>> <CRICKETS>
>>>>
>>>>>> o   He'll never be a woman.
>>>>
>>>> <CRICKETS>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This might help you.
>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg
>>>>
>>>> <CRICKETS>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You're a transphobe.
>>>>
>>>> Once again. Joel tried-- and fails -- to weaponize  'phobia'  to avoid
>>>> debating arguments he can't hope to win.
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>
>>> The mental illness and denial is deep within the one known as Joel.
>>
>> Now where did you get your psychiatic degree?
>
> Please list all your degree so that we can be insure you only talk about
> subjects you have a degree in.. until then, by your own standards you
> have nothing to say.. about anything.
>

I was trained as neuprpsychiatric nursing technician in the
USN back in the days when Group Therapy was the big thing. Tranquilizers
were limited in action and gave rise to Tardive Dyskensia (sic) before
there were any medications to ameliorate that condition. We calmed down
the hyper-active with cold baths. Electroshock was still in vogue.

But I never would diagnose an psychiatric disorder and left that
to MDs some of whom needed a diagnosis themselves to judge by behavior.

You demonstrate by your words, a problem with people who identify as
transgender. i have on the other hand in San Francisco
met many who came to the San Francisco Bay Area to attempt to find
a more receptive atmosphere for their condition. Some were reduced
to prostitution but many more had already had successful careers
and even fruitful marriages.

I have never met Joel in person but his choice of companion
is no big matter for discussion. That person identifies as a woman
despite external anatomy. Did you know that studies reveal the
transgender brain is more like the brain of the opposite sex?

Due to the fact that the person providing the brain for
study is deceased few total studies of transgender brains have
been done but that is what they have found so far.

bliss - claiming no degrees but lots of training and reading.

--
b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com

On 9/22/2024 7:52 PM, Joel wrote:
> reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>
>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
>>> for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>
>> You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
>> mental health issue.
>
>
> Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.

Try reading to catch up.

"Youth Gender Medications Limited in England, Part of Big Shift in Europe"

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/health/europe-transgender-youth-hormone-treatments.html

On 9/23/2024 8:33 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 9/23/24 17:54, % wrote:
>> Joel wrote:
>>> Lisa <lisa@cubepeople.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <5qu3fjtt8c8s1qf1halpf7bem7sv3v96e3@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com>
>>>> Klaus  Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent?.@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <crickets>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
>>> retardation.
>>>
>> oh yes you will it's what you do
>
>     Well you keep baiting Joel and he is foolish enough to respond.
>
>     None of the nasty attackers of the status of Transgender women have
> answered my basic question.
>     How many transgender women do you know? Remember drag queens

There is no such thing as a "transgender". It's a mental creation in
the mind of a sick person and those who get off on promoting silliness
like that.

> whether amateur of professional are not TG women except in very rare
> cases.
>     If you know people involved you might not be so firm in your
> assertion.
>
>     bliss -the very tired retired nurse.
>

On 9/24/2024 7:31 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Bobbie Sellers" <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
> news:vcr62e$2k8ko$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 9/22/24 18:00, Joel wrote:
>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I have a GF.
>>>>
>>>> No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap
>>>> fake.
>>>> Some dud in a dress.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
>>>
>>
>> Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
>> culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender
>
> I suppose race is also left up too the individual. I mean if someone
> that originated in say Japan decided she wants to be a black guy.,. that
> becomes reality?

There was the Japanese guy who decided he was a dog, and the mentally
ill of social media jumped up and down encouraging him.

> I mean there are so many benefits to identifying as a minority.. special
> government contracts, aid to start a business, even government funding.
> So why can't someone simply identify as black and gain all these
> benefits. I mean we just claim that biology has nothing to do with race.
> Right?

The insanity gene is social media. Anything goes on social media and
there are plenty of idiots who will accept complete idiocy as fact.

On 9/24/2024 9:20 AM, Mittens Romney wrote:
> Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>> In the USA we have people, basically fundamentalist in their
>> religious beliefs, who kick their gay children or pregnant daughters
>> out of the house. Deprived of the parental backing they may suffer
>
> In the USA we have become a nation of cellar-dwelling adult kids
> malingering around the home well into their 30s!
>
> Booting the faggots only means they have to find work and a rental, wah!

Except they are too stupid to work so they wind up homeless with a free
phone from the government. If the government is going to hand out free
phones on the taxpayer dime, all social media access should be banned on
them.

Dave Wainwright <nospam@comcast.net> wrote:
>On 9/22/2024 7:52 PM, Joel wrote:
>> reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
>>>> for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>>
>>> You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
>>> mental health issue.
>>
>> Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
>
>Try reading to catch up.
>
>"Youth Gender Medications Limited in England, Part of Big Shift in Europe"
>
>https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/health/europe-transgender-youth-hormone-treatments.html

Reasonable people may disagree on this, but I'm just saying, trans
identity is not a joke, and if you think kids have no rights, you need
to broaden your horizons a bit. I am an authority and I am not going
to be contradicted other than in someone's opinion, because supporting
families have rights through the consent of their trans child. Whether
another adult in the child's life could intervene without the parents'
involvement is a matter of debate, even as an authority I would
hesitate to just comment off the cuff about that.

Not to say they couldn't affirm the trans identity, in a child not
their own offspring, but to recommend or facilitate access to puberty
blockers/hormones, I think we need to have a real discussion of what
rights the parents have. In truth, the general treatment *can* begin
effectively at 18 or 16, but does that mean a younger child cannot
seek puberty blockers or hormones, prior to maturity? Can there be a
way around an unsupportive parent?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 9/25/24 11:43, Weakling Walz wrote:
> On 9/23/2024 8:33 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 9/23/24 17:54, % wrote:
>>> Joel wrote:
>>>> Lisa <lisa@cubepeople.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <5qu3fjtt8c8s1qf1halpf7bem7sv3v96e3@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com>
>>>>> Klaus  Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent?.@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <crickets>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
>>>> retardation.
>>>>
>>> oh yes you will it's what you do
>>
>>      Well you keep baiting Joel and he is foolish enough to respond.
>>
>>      None of the nasty attackers of the status of Transgender women
>> have answered my basic question.
>>      How many transgender women do you know? Remember drag queens
>
> There is no such thing as a "transgender".  It's a mental creation in
> the mind of a sick person and those who get off on promoting silliness
> like that.
>
>> whether amateur of professional are not TG women except in very rare
>> cases.
>>      If you know people involved you might not be so firm in your
>> assertion.
>>
>>      bliss -the very tired retired nurse.
>>
>
Now you are just trolling and my previouos posts have pointed

out that this term was first used by Dr.Harry Benjamin in the 1960s
It was part of a scale that started at Transgender and went in steps
to Transsexual which meant if a doctor said you were you could have
the rather primitive then and not much better now Gender Reassignment
Surgery. This is a mere reshaping of the external genitalia. It follows
a lengthy periood of hormonal therapy to reshape some sexual
characteristics.
Now if you are at the level of the comic book I will point
out a Japanese manga(comic book by a mangaka who went to Thailand
where surgery is very cheap (from the USA POV) and describes the
mangaka's surgery in detail.
> UMARERU SEIBETSU WO MACHIGAETA! Manga
> Umareru Seibetsu o Machigaeta! The Difference Between Men and Women!
> Released: 2016
> Author & Artist: Konishi Mafuyu
> Genre(s): Gender Bender, Seinen, Slice Of Life

In any event Willie I will no longer be seeing
your posts because of your self description.

bliss-ancient of days wise in many way but not a coder.