On 9/19/24 08:16, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5lbmejtvree8aa5crpipd5hi27iuefkk46@4ax.com...
>> Klaus  Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> [Default]  "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> typed:
>>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:kb6iejtstk9np5hp03o5f8c8k65oj7b27k@4ax.com...
>>>>> % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> i have more than anything you have ,
>>>>>> including good looks , charm and money
>>>>>
>>>>> But I have a GF.
>>>>
>>>> No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap
>>>> fake.
>>>> Some dud in a dress.
>>>
>>> Geez, is he *still* fantasizing about having a girl friend?
>>
>>
>> If I see her as a woman, what difference does it make that she has a
>> dick?
>
> Well, it's the difference between reality and your delusion.
>
> Apparently you can't tell the difference.

I doubt you know any transgender men or women, since your though, if we
honor it by calling it that is entirely concerned
with anatomical matters rather than mental and emotional matters.
Have you perchance read Jung on such matters. I have and
while he considered it a monomania he did not delve as did Dr.Harry
Benjamin in 1966 in his work "the Transsexual Phenomenon". This was
the first work to address this issue and may have been the first
to use the term "Transgender" in English though a German Doctor in
the 1920s and 1930s was involved in studies of such individuals and
how their extreme gender dysphoria might be ameliorated. His Clinic
and work were destroyed by the NAZI in the mid-1930s for the usual
reasons that Autocrats use. He was out of Germany at the time and
never went back. A lot of the folks associated with his clinic were
killed by the Third Reich but one or two managed to survive and we
have their accounts. The German doctor, Magnus Hirschfeld, may have
used the term transgender but since his books are very hard to find
I have never checked on that.
` The book by Harry Benjamin is available in a .pdf file.
You can read more about Hirschfeld and his clinic at the
following URL, or you can search for more information using
of course DuckDuckGo:
<https://forward.com/culture/549587/trans-book-burning-library-gay-pride/>

bliss

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b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com

"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:c4dmej14552795p71gkj15igigvc3sqokv@4ax.com...
>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>He's [a transgender woman] still a male, not a woman.
>>
>> That's transphobic ignorance.
>
>So according to you reality = transphobic ignorance?
>
>Then you wonder why we consider you delusional.
>
>The ONLY person here who can't accept him as he is seems to be..... Well..
>YOU!
>
>Hardly sounds like a good basis for a lasting relationship....

She is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>> I have a GF.
>
>No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
>Some dud in a dress.

That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 9/22/2024 5:54 PM, Joel wrote:
> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:c4dmej14552795p71gkj15igigvc3sqokv@4ax.com...
>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> He's [a transgender woman] still a male, not a woman.
>>>
>>> That's transphobic ignorance.
>>
>> So according to you reality = transphobic ignorance?
>>
>> Then you wonder why we consider you delusional.
>>
>> The ONLY person here who can't accept him as he is seems to be..... Well..
>> YOU!
>>
>> Hardly sounds like a good basis for a lasting relationship....
>
>
> She is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
> for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
> You're basically talking nonsense.

You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.

reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:

>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
>> for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>
>You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
>mental health issue.

Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 9/22/24 18:00, Joel wrote:
> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>> I have a GF.
>>
>> No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
>> Some dud in a dress.
>
>
> That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
>

Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender when
it seems that gender may well determine social-sexual roles.
The unremitting belief by some that they were meant to be of
the opposite sex from the one they were born to leads to the
idea that perhaps there is something to the idea of a soul.

"Transgender" is just a descriptive term invented by a
psychiatrist/endocrinologist for understanding the phenomenon of
reported behaviors and emotions by the patients who sought hormonal
treatment for relief of undesired sexual feelings.
That doctor was Harry Benjamin in his book "the Transsexual Phenomenon".
Magnus Hirschfeld in the 1920s and 1930s called the same folks
"intermediates."

bliss
--
b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com

[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:

>reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>
>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
>>> for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>
>>You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
>>mental health issue.
>
>
>Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.

That's scientific fact.

o He's never been a woman
o He's not a woman now
o He'll never be a woman.

This might help you.
https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg

On 9/23/24 12:16, luke wrote:
> On 23 Sep 2024, Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com>
> posted some news:vcr62e$2k8ko$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 9/22/24 18:00, Joel wrote:
>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I have a GF.
>>>>
>>>> No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap
>>>> fake. Some dud in a dress.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
>>>
>>
>> Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
>> culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender
>
> It's a good thing you nutjobs can't reproduce naturally. You'll die out
> just like all the oother liberal kookoo kritters.
>
All of the members of the class LBGTQ+ are the product of
heterosexual or bisexual activity. If you want us to go away
join the Anti-Sex League. See "1984" by George Orwell.

Oh and I have known some transgender individuals who
reproduced trying to fulfill the role of wife or husband.
When they realized that was not in their nature they transitioned
despite their age and family.

bliss

--
b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com

Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
wrote:
>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
>>>> for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>>
>>>You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
>>>mental health issue.
>>
>>Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
>
>That's scientific fact.
>
>o He's never been a woman
>o He's not a woman now
>o He'll never be a woman.
>
>This might help you.
>https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg

You're a transphobe.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:

>Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
>>>>> for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>>>
>>>>You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
>>>>mental health issue.
>>>
>>>Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
>>
>>That's scientific fact.
>>
>>o He's never been a woman

<CRICKETS>

>>o He's not a woman now

<CRICKETS>

>>o He'll never be a woman.

<CRICKETS>

>>
>>This might help you.
>>https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg

<CRICKETS>

>
>You're a transphobe.

Once again. Joel tried-- and fails -- to weaponize 'phobia' to avoid
debating arguments he can't hope to win.

LOL

In article <5qu3fjtt8c8s1qf1halpf7bem7sv3v96e3@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com>
Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com> wrote:

<crickets>

Lisa <lisa@cubepeople.com> wrote:

>In article <5qu3fjtt8c8s1qf1halpf7bem7sv3v96e3@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com>
>Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent?.@gmail.com> wrote:
>
><crickets>

I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
retardation.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Joel wrote:
> Lisa <lisa@cubepeople.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <5qu3fjtt8c8s1qf1halpf7bem7sv3v96e3@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com>
>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent?.@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <crickets>
>
>
> I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
> retardation.
>
oh yes you will it's what you do

On 9/23/24 17:54, % wrote:
> Joel wrote:
>> Lisa <lisa@cubepeople.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article
>>> <5qu3fjtt8c8s1qf1halpf7bem7sv3v96e3@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com>
>>> Klaus  Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent?.@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <crickets>
>>
>>
>> I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
>> retardation.
>>
> oh yes you will it's what you do

Well you keep baiting Joel and he is foolish enough to respond.
None of the nasty attackers of the status of Transgender women have
answered my basic question.
How many transgender women do you know? Remember drag queens whether
amateur of professional are not TG women except in very rare
cases.
If you know people involved you might not be so firm in your
assertion.

bliss -the very tired retired nurse.

--
b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com

[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:

>Lisa <lisa@cubepeople.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <5qu3fjtt8c8s1qf1halpf7bem7sv3v96e3@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com>
>>Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent?.@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>><crickets>
>
>
>I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's

facts.

Because you can't.

[Default] Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com>
typed:

>On 9/23/24 17:54, % wrote:
>> Joel wrote:
>>> Lisa <lisa@cubepeople.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <5qu3fjtt8c8s1qf1halpf7bem7sv3v96e3@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com>
>>>> Klaus  Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent?.@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <crickets>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
>>> retardation.
>>>
>> oh yes you will it's what you do
>
> Well you keep baiting Joel and he is foolish enough to respond.
>
> None of the nasty attackers of the status of Transgender women have
>answered my basic question.

Nobody has "attacked" anyone's status.

Men who pretend to be women have the same rights as anyone else.

They also have the right to access mental health care, which they
should use.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7ue1fjtcjafdqcm58f2g1vh80c6h4ggqvc@4ax.com...
> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:c4dmej14552795p71gkj15igigvc3sqokv@4ax.com...
>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>He's [a transgender woman] still a male, not a woman.
>>>
>>> That's transphobic ignorance.
>>
>>So according to you reality = transphobic ignorance?
>>
>>Then you wonder why we consider you delusional.
>>
>>The ONLY person here who can't accept him as he is seems to be..... Well..
>>YOU!
>>
>>Hardly sounds like a good basis for a lasting relationship....
>
>
> She is trans and I accept her as that,

No you don't, or you wouldn't talk about him in the feminine.

> what is the problem with "basis
> for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.

If you did you would have said "he's trans".

So clearly you do not accept him for what he is.

If she were actually a she.. then she's not trans.

To claim she's trans is to say she is pretending to be a man.

See what I mean, you claim to accept him, but you don't. Otherwise you
wouldn't need to lie to us or yourself about what he is.

> You're basically talking nonsense.

You certainly are. What you say clearly indicates that you do NOT accept him
for what he is...otherwise you wouldn't have to lie about it.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hul1fj13eg6mq7hps0m92eufg45jd77o6t@4ax.com...
> reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>
>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem
>>> with "basis
>>> for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>
>>You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
>>mental health issue.
>
>
> Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.

So being mentally insane is a "sign of the times"?

If murder rates go up does that mean you should go out and start killing
people?

After all, you wouldn't want to be "behind the times" by not engaging in
murder.. right?

I will simply note that Joel feels insanity is a "sign of the times" so
everyone should practice insanity.

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
in message
news:enj2fjll9nupi4og75ck40bj2882pcs1no@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com...
> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>
>>reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem
>>>> with "basis
>>>> for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>>
>>>You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
>>>mental health issue.
>>
>>
>>Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
>
> That's scientific fact.

Do you know that scientific fact is so last week..

Today we've established that bullets can't kill if fired directly into your
skull..

Joel will now have to prove he's keeping up with the times by doing so.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:efr3fjhqmngvmj5a5jkk3gi6hl85mm38t0@4ax.com...
> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem
>>>>> with "basis
>>>>> for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>>>
>>>>You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
>>>>mental health issue.
>>>
>>>Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
>>
>>That's scientific fact.
>>
>>o He's never been a woman
>>o He's not a woman now
>>o He'll never be a woman.
>>
>>This might help you.
>>https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg
>
>
> You're a transphobe.

You're the one who refuses to accept him as he is.

You spend half your time telling us he isn't what he is and the other half
trying to justify your refusal to accept him as he is.

Seems to me the only one that is a transphobe is the person refusing to
recognize a cross dressing gay man for what he is... a cross dressing gay
man.

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
in message
news:5qu3fjtt8c8s1qf1halpf7bem7sv3v96e3@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com...
> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>
>>Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>reid <wb4@x.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
>>>>>> problem with "basis
>>>>>> for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
>>>>>> You're basically talking nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>>You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is
>>>>>a
>>>>>mental health issue.
>>>>
>>>>Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
>>>
>>>That's scientific fact.
>>>
>>>o He's never been a woman
>
> <CRICKETS>
>
>>>o He's not a woman now
>
> <CRICKETS>
>
>>>o He'll never be a woman.
>
> <CRICKETS>
>
>>>
>>>This might help you.
>>>https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg
>
> <CRICKETS>
>
>
>>
>>You're a transphobe.
>
> Once again. Joel tried-- and fails -- to weaponize 'phobia' to avoid
> debating arguments he can't hope to win.
>
> LOL

The mental illness and denial is deep within the one known as Joel.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:g324fjhieeto1bpre41nql5hh8l9teiffn@4ax.com...
> Lisa <lisa@cubepeople.com> wrote:
>
>>In article
>><5qu3fjtt8c8s1qf1halpf7bem7sv3v96e3@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com>
>>Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent?.@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>><crickets>
>
>
> I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
> retardation.

You would if you could, but since you can't you're left with name
calling..... That certainly shows your maturity.... or lack of

"Bobbie Sellers" <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
news:vctbtc$32ikf$1@dont-email.me...
> On 9/23/24 17:54, % wrote:
>> Joel wrote:
>>> Lisa <lisa@cubepeople.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <5qu3fjtt8c8s1qf1halpf7bem7sv3v96e3@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com>
>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent?.@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <crickets>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
>>> retardation.
>>>
>> oh yes you will it's what you do
>
> Well you keep baiting Joel and he is foolish enough to respond.
>
> None of the nasty attackers of the status of Transgender women have
> answered my basic question.

> How many transgender women do you know?

Do you mean a woman who dresses as a man or a man who dresses as a woman?

Are you using woman literally or figuratively?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>> I have a GF.
>>
>>No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
>>Some dud in a dress.
>
>
> That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.

And yet totally factual.

"Bobbie Sellers" <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
news:vcr62e$2k8ko$1@dont-email.me...
> On 9/22/24 18:00, Joel wrote:
>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> I have a GF.
>>>
>>> No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap
>>> fake.
>>> Some dud in a dress.
>>
>>
>> That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
>>
>
> Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are culturally
> committed to the idea that sex determines gender

I suppose race is also left up too the individual. I mean if someone that
originated in say Japan decided she wants to be a black guy.,. that becomes
reality?
I mean there are so many benefits to identifying as a minority.. special
government contracts, aid to start a business, even government funding.
So why can't someone simply identify as black and gain all these benefits. I
mean we just claim that biology has nothing to do with race. Right?