<https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/10/boeing-is-still-bleeding-money-on-the-starliner-commercial-crew-program/>

"I think that that we're better off being doing less and doing it better than doing more and not doing it well," Ortberg said. "So we're in the process of taking an evaluation of the portfolio. It's something a new CEO always does when you come into a business."

This doesn't bode well for Starliner IMHO.

On Friday, The Running Man exclaimed wildly:
> <https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/10/boeing-is-still-bleeding-money-on-the-starliner-commercial-crew-program/>
>
> "I think that that we're better off being doing less and doing it better than
> doing more and not doing it well," Ortberg said. "So we're in the process of
> taking an evaluation of the portfolio. It's something a new CEO always does
> when you come into a business."
>
> This doesn't bode well for Starliner IMHO.

NASA has it pencilled in for 2H 2025. NASA really wants a choice. And
Eric Berger has suggested that NASA would be willing to pay for a cargo
flight if that's needed to prepare for manned operation.

/dps

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"That’s where I end with this kind of conversation: Language is
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On 27/10/2024 02:57 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, The Running Man exclaimed wildly:
>> <https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/10/boeing-is-still-bleeding-money-on-the-starliner-commercial-crew-program/>
>>
>> "I think that that we're better off being doing less and doing it better than
>> doing more and not doing it well," Ortberg said. "So we're in the process of
>> taking an evaluation of the portfolio. It's something a new CEO always does
>> when you come into a business."
>>
>> This doesn't bode well for Starliner IMHO.
>
> NASA has it pencilled in for 2H 2025. NASA really wants a choice. And
> Eric Berger has suggested that NASA would be willing to pay for a cargo
> flight if that's needed to prepare for manned operation.
>

<https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/25/24279693/boeing-considers-selling-space-business-starliner>

What NASA wants isn't relevant. Boeing may well consider that bowing out may be
more financially beneficial than continuing the program.

The Running Man formulated the question :
> On 27/10/2024 02:57 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Friday, The Running Man exclaimed wildly:
>>> <https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/10/boeing-is-still-bleeding-money-on-the-starliner-commercial-crew-program/>
>>>
>>> "I think that that we're better off being doing less and doing it better
>>> than doing more and not doing it well," Ortberg said. "So we're in the
>>> process of taking an evaluation of the portfolio. It's something a new CEO
>>> always does when you come into a business."
>>>
>>> This doesn't bode well for Starliner IMHO.
>>
>> NASA has it pencilled in for 2H 2025. NASA really wants a choice. And
>> Eric Berger has suggested that NASA would be willing to pay for a cargo
>> flight if that's needed to prepare for manned operation.
>>
>
> <https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/25/24279693/boeing-considers-selling-space-business-starliner>
>
> What NASA wants isn't relevant. Boeing may well consider that bowing out may
> be more financially beneficial than continuing the program.

Starliner may well be a drop in the bucket compared to the hemorraging
in the airliner business, and bowing out may result in losing a
customer on other projects as well.

/dps

--
Yes, I have had a cucumber soda. Why do you ask?

On 28/10/2024 09:24 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Running Man formulated the question :
>> On 27/10/2024 02:57 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, The Running Man exclaimed wildly:
>>>> <https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/10/boeing-is-still-bleeding-money-on-the-starliner-commercial-crew-program/>
>>>>
>>>> "I think that that we're better off being doing less and doing it better
>>>> than doing more and not doing it well," Ortberg said. "So we're in the
>>>> process of taking an evaluation of the portfolio. It's something a new CEO
>>>> always does when you come into a business."
>>>>
>>>> This doesn't bode well for Starliner IMHO.
>>>
>>> NASA has it pencilled in for 2H 2025. NASA really wants a choice. And
>>> Eric Berger has suggested that NASA would be willing to pay for a cargo
>>> flight if that's needed to prepare for manned operation.
>>>
>>
>> <https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/25/24279693/boeing-considers-selling-space-business-starliner>
>>
>> What NASA wants isn't relevant. Boeing may well consider that bowing out may
>> be more financially beneficial than continuing the program.
>
> Starliner may well be a drop in the bucket compared to the hemorraging
> in the airliner business, and bowing out may result in losing a
> customer on other projects as well.
>

Even if they received money for a cargo mission it wouldn't compensate
the enormous amounts of money it costs to continue the Starliner program.

Therefore Boeing execs may well find it advantageous to eject the space
business (except SLS, which is a Cost Plus Program where they make
ridiculous amounts of profit).

Snidely suggested that ...
> The Running Man formulated the question :
>> On 27/10/2024 02:57 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, The Running Man exclaimed wildly:
>>>> <https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/10/boeing-is-still-bleeding-money-on-the-starliner-commercial-crew-program/>
>>>>
>>>> "I think that that we're better off being doing less and doing it better
>>>> than doing more and not doing it well," Ortberg said. "So we're in the
>>>> process of taking an evaluation of the portfolio. It's something a new
>>>> CEO always does when you come into a business."
>>>>
>>>> This doesn't bode well for Starliner IMHO.
>>>
>>> NASA has it pencilled in for 2H 2025. NASA really wants a choice. And
>>> Eric Berger has suggested that NASA would be willing to pay for a cargo
>>> flight if that's needed to prepare for manned operation.
>>>
>>
>> <https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/25/24279693/boeing-considers-selling-space-business-starliner>
>>
>> What NASA wants isn't relevant. Boeing may well consider that bowing out
>> may be more financially beneficial than continuing the program.
>
> Starliner may well be a drop in the bucket compared to the hemorraging in the
> airliner business, and bowing out may result in losing a customer on other
> projects as well.

On the other hand, there seems to have been a WSJ article claiming
Boeing is trying to sell off Starliner and ISS operations.

/dps

--
"That’s where I end with this kind of conversation: Language is
crucial, and yet not the answer."
Jonathan Rosa, sociocultural and linguistic anthropologist,
Stanford.,2020

The Running Man scribbled something on Monday the 10/28/2024:
> On 28/10/2024 09:24 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The Running Man formulated the question :
>>> On 27/10/2024 02:57 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Friday, The Running Man exclaimed wildly:
>>>>> <https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/10/boeing-is-still-bleeding-money-on-the-starliner-commercial-crew-program/>
>>>>>
>>>>> "I think that that we're better off being doing less and doing it better
>>>>> than doing more and not doing it well," Ortberg said. "So we're in the
>>>>> process of taking an evaluation of the portfolio. It's something a new
>>>>> CEO always does when you come into a business."
>>>>>
>>>>> This doesn't bode well for Starliner IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> NASA has it pencilled in for 2H 2025. NASA really wants a choice. And
>>>> Eric Berger has suggested that NASA would be willing to pay for a cargo
>>>> flight if that's needed to prepare for manned operation.
>>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/25/24279693/boeing-considers-selling-space-business-starliner>
>>>
>>> What NASA wants isn't relevant. Boeing may well consider that bowing out
>>> may be more financially beneficial than continuing the program.
>>
>> Starliner may well be a drop in the bucket compared to the hemorraging
>> in the airliner business, and bowing out may result in losing a
>> customer on other projects as well.
>>
>
> Even if they received money for a cargo mission it wouldn't compensate
> the enormous amounts of money it costs to continue the Starliner program.
>
> Therefore Boeing execs may well find it advantageous to eject the space
> business (except SLS, which is a Cost Plus Program where they make
> ridiculous amounts of profit).

The last is sadly true.

It should have been a cost plus with bonuses for milestones by date X.
The Mobile Launcher 2 contract also needed that, and how did such a
large engineering company get that so wrong?

/dps

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