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Subject: Starship IFT-5
From: Alain Fournier
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 18:01 UTC
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From: alain245@videotron.ca (Alain Fournier)
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Subject: Starship IFT-5
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I don't know if @SawyerMerritt is a reliable source but according to him
no FAA investigation is required before giving a launch license for
SpaceX's IFT-5.

https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1801022437758234958

"The FAA is not requiring an investigation. The FAA assessed the
operations of the SpaceX Starship Flight 4 mission. All flight events
for both the Starship vehicle and the Super Heavy booster appear to have
occurred within the scope of planned and authorized activities."

Of course, after IFT-4, it was never likely that the FAA launch license
was much of a problem. Upgrades SpaceX will want to do will take much
more time than getting a launch license.

Alain Fournier

Subject: Re: Starship IFT-5
From: Snidely
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Subject: Re: Starship IFT-5
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Alain Fournier scribbled something on Wednesday the 6/26/2024:
> I don't know if @SawyerMerritt is a reliable source but according to him no
> FAA investigation is required before giving a launch license for SpaceX's
> IFT-5.
>
> https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1801022437758234958
>
> "The FAA is not requiring an investigation. The FAA assessed the operations
> of the SpaceX Starship Flight 4 mission. All flight events for both the
> Starship vehicle and the Super Heavy booster appear to have occurred within
> the scope of planned and authorized activities."

Marcus House, NSF have also covered that, and I believe Eric Berger on
Ars Technica.

> Of course, after IFT-4, it was never likely that the FAA launch license was
> much of a problem. Upgrades SpaceX will want to do will take much more time
> than getting a launch license.
>
>
> Alain Fournier

If a catch attempt is to be made, the FT4 etc license will need
modification, because only the FT4 profile was approved.

The replacement of Ship 30's tiles ... all of them ... may be the long
pole in the hardware tent.

/dps

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Subject: Re: Starship IFT-5
From: The Running Man
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On 26/06/2024 14:01 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
> I don't know if @SawyerMerritt is a reliable source but according to him
> no FAA investigation is required before giving a launch license for
> SpaceX's IFT-5.
>
> https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1801022437758234958
>
> "The FAA is not requiring an investigation. The FAA assessed the
> operations of the SpaceX Starship Flight 4 mission. All flight events
> for both the Starship vehicle and the Super Heavy booster appear to have
> occurred within the scope of planned and authorized activities."
>
> Of course, after IFT-4, it was never likely that the FAA launch license
> was much of a problem. Upgrades SpaceX will want to do will take much
> more time than getting a launch license.
>
>
> Alain Fournier

I tend to agree that no investigation will be necessary and that getting a
launch license will be a mere formality.

Subject: Re: Starship IFT-5
From: Alain Fournier
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 00:41 UTC
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Subject: Re: Starship IFT-5
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On 2024-07-01 1:18 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
> On 26/06/2024 14:01 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
>> I don't know if @SawyerMerritt is a reliable source but according to him
>> no FAA investigation is required before giving a launch license for
>> SpaceX's IFT-5.
>>
>> https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1801022437758234958
>>
>> "The FAA is not requiring an investigation. The FAA assessed the
>> operations of the SpaceX Starship Flight 4 mission. All flight events
>> for both the Starship vehicle and the Super Heavy booster appear to have
>> occurred within the scope of planned and authorized activities."
>>
>> Of course, after IFT-4, it was never likely that the FAA launch license
>> was much of a problem. Upgrades SpaceX will want to do will take much
>> more time than getting a launch license.
>>
>>
>> Alain Fournier
>
> I tend to agree that no investigation will be necessary and that getting a
> launch license will be a mere formality.

On 2024-07-05 8:20 PM, Elon tweeted:
"Flight 5 in 4 weeks"

So SpaceX seems to aim early August.

Alain Fournier

Subject: Re: Starship IFT-5
From: Snidely
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 01:04 UTC
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From: snidely.too@gmail.com (Snidely)
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Subject: Re: Starship IFT-5
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On Tuesday or thereabouts, Alain Fournier asked ...
> On 2024-07-01 1:18 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
>> On 26/06/2024 14:01 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>> I don't know if @SawyerMerritt is a reliable source but according to him
>>> no FAA investigation is required before giving a launch license for
>>> SpaceX's IFT-5.
>>>
>>> https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1801022437758234958
>>>
>>> "The FAA is not requiring an investigation. The FAA assessed the
>>> operations of the SpaceX Starship Flight 4 mission. All flight events
>>> for both the Starship vehicle and the Super Heavy booster appear to have
>>> occurred within the scope of planned and authorized activities."
>>>
>>> Of course, after IFT-4, it was never likely that the FAA launch license
>>> was much of a problem. Upgrades SpaceX will want to do will take much
>>> more time than getting a launch license.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alain Fournier
>>
>> I tend to agree that no investigation will be necessary and that getting a
>> launch license will be a mere formality.
>
> On 2024-07-05 8:20 PM, Elon tweeted:
> "Flight 5 in 4 weeks"
>
> So SpaceX seems to aim early August.
>
>
> Alain Fournier

Yeah, well, Elon Time. Mid-to-late August is the outside optimistic
projection, since Ship 30 is still only partly dressed, and a catch
means revised license from FAA.

Booster 12 rolled out today; cryo testing imminent.

/dps

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Subject: Re: Starship IFT-5
From: Snidely
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From: snidely.too@gmail.com (Snidely)
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Subject: Re: Starship IFT-5
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Snidely submitted this gripping article, maybe on Tuesday:
> On Tuesday or thereabouts, Alain Fournier asked ...
>> On 2024-07-01 1:18 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
>>> On 26/06/2024 14:01 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> I don't know if @SawyerMerritt is a reliable source but according to him
>>>> no FAA investigation is required before giving a launch license for
>>>> SpaceX's IFT-5.
>>>>
>>>> https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1801022437758234958
>>>>
>>>> "The FAA is not requiring an investigation. The FAA assessed the
>>>> operations of the SpaceX Starship Flight 4 mission. All flight events
>>>> for both the Starship vehicle and the Super Heavy booster appear to have
>>>> occurred within the scope of planned and authorized activities."
>>>>
>>>> Of course, after IFT-4, it was never likely that the FAA launch license
>>>> was much of a problem. Upgrades SpaceX will want to do will take much
>>>> more time than getting a launch license.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alain Fournier
>>>
>>> I tend to agree that no investigation will be necessary and that getting a
>>> launch license will be a mere formality.
>>
>> On 2024-07-05 8:20 PM, Elon tweeted:
>> "Flight 5 in 4 weeks"
>>
>> So SpaceX seems to aim early August.
>>
>>
>> Alain Fournier
>
> Yeah, well, Elon Time. Mid-to-late August is the outside optimistic
> projection, since Ship 30 is still only partly dressed, and a catch means
> revised license from FAA.
>
> Booster 12 rolled out today; cryo testing imminent.

Some sort of testing today (7 come 11) involving what seems to be a
small amount of cryo (LOX) and venting.

-d

--
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application, by a large number of people, than the world can readily
supply."

Sam Plusnet

Subject: Re: Starship IFT-5
From: Snidely
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Snidely submitted this idea :
> Snidely submitted this gripping article, maybe on Tuesday:
>> On Tuesday or thereabouts, Alain Fournier asked ...
>>> On 2024-07-01 1:18 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
>>>> On 26/06/2024 14:01 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>> I don't know if @SawyerMerritt is a reliable source but according to him
>>>>> no FAA investigation is required before giving a launch license for
>>>>> SpaceX's IFT-5.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1801022437758234958
>>>>>
>>>>> "The FAA is not requiring an investigation. The FAA assessed the
>>>>> operations of the SpaceX Starship Flight 4 mission. All flight events
>>>>> for both the Starship vehicle and the Super Heavy booster appear to have
>>>>> occurred within the scope of planned and authorized activities."
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, after IFT-4, it was never likely that the FAA launch license
>>>>> was much of a problem. Upgrades SpaceX will want to do will take much
>>>>> more time than getting a launch license.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alain Fournier
>>>>
>>>> I tend to agree that no investigation will be necessary and that getting
>>>> a
>>>> launch license will be a mere formality.
>>>
>>> On 2024-07-05 8:20 PM, Elon tweeted:
>>> "Flight 5 in 4 weeks"
>>>
>>> So SpaceX seems to aim early August.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alain Fournier
>>
>> Yeah, well, Elon Time. Mid-to-late August is the outside optimistic
>> projection, since Ship 30 is still only partly dressed, and a catch means
>> revised license from FAA.
>>
>> Booster 12 rolled out today; cryo testing imminent.
>
> Some sort of testing today (7 come 11) involving what seems to be a small
> amount of cryo (LOX) and venting.

And now check off booster static fire (10:13:50 CDT).

-d

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Subject: Re: Starship IFT-5
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On 2024-07-15 5:49 p.m., Snidely wrote:
> Snidely submitted this idea :
>> Snidely submitted this gripping article, maybe on Tuesday:
>>> On Tuesday or thereabouts, Alain Fournier asked ...
>>>> On 2024-07-01 1:18 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
>>>>> On 26/06/2024 14:01 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> I don't know if @SawyerMerritt is a reliable source but according
>>>>>> to him
>>>>>> no FAA investigation is required before giving a launch license for
>>>>>> SpaceX's IFT-5.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1801022437758234958
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The FAA is not requiring an investigation. The FAA assessed the
>>>>>> operations of the SpaceX Starship Flight 4 mission. All flight events
>>>>>> for both the Starship vehicle and the Super Heavy booster appear
>>>>>> to have
>>>>>> occurred within the scope of planned and authorized activities."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, after IFT-4, it was never likely that the FAA launch
>>>>>> license
>>>>>> was much of a problem. Upgrades SpaceX will want to do will take much
>>>>>> more time than getting a launch license.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alain Fournier
>>>>>
>>>>> I tend to agree that no investigation will be necessary and that
>>>>> getting a
>>>>> launch license will be a mere formality.
>>>>
>>>> On 2024-07-05 8:20 PM, Elon tweeted:
>>>> "Flight 5 in 4 weeks"
>>>>
>>>> So SpaceX seems to aim early August.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alain Fournier
>>>
>>> Yeah, well, Elon Time.  Mid-to-late August is the outside optimistic
>>> projection, since Ship 30 is still only partly dressed, and a catch
>>> means revised license from FAA.
>>>
>>> Booster 12 rolled out today; cryo testing imminent.
>>
>> Some sort of testing today (7 come 11) involving what seems to be a
>> small amount of cryo (LOX) and venting.
>
> And now check off booster static fire (10:13:50 CDT).
>
It seems that IFT-5 is now expected to be in late August or early September.

https://passionategeekz.com/musk-predicts-that-spacex-starships-fifth-test-flight-has-a-50-success-rate-in-capturing-spacecraft-and-is-expected-to-launch-in-late-august-or-early-september/

Alain Fournier

Subject: Re: Starship IFT-5
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On Monday or thereabouts, Alain Fournier declared ...
> On 2024-07-15 5:49 p.m., Snidely wrote:
>> Snidely submitted this idea :
>>> Snidely submitted this gripping article, maybe on Tuesday:
>>>> On Tuesday or thereabouts, Alain Fournier asked ...
>>>>> On 2024-07-01 1:18 a.m., The Running Man wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/06/2024 14:01 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't know if @SawyerMerritt is a reliable source but according to
>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>> no FAA investigation is required before giving a launch license for
>>>>>>> SpaceX's IFT-5.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1801022437758234958
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The FAA is not requiring an investigation. The FAA assessed the
>>>>>>> operations of the SpaceX Starship Flight 4 mission. All flight events
>>>>>>> for both the Starship vehicle and the Super Heavy booster appear to
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> occurred within the scope of planned and authorized activities."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, after IFT-4, it was never likely that the FAA launch
>>>>>>> license
>>>>>>> was much of a problem. Upgrades SpaceX will want to do will take much
>>>>>>> more time than getting a launch license.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alain Fournier
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tend to agree that no investigation will be necessary and that
>>>>>> getting a
>>>>>> launch license will be a mere formality.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-07-05 8:20 PM, Elon tweeted:
>>>>> "Flight 5 in 4 weeks"
>>>>>
>>>>> So SpaceX seems to aim early August.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alain Fournier
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, well, Elon Time.  Mid-to-late August is the outside optimistic
>>>> projection, since Ship 30 is still only partly dressed, and a catch means
>>>> revised license from FAA.
>>>>
>>>> Booster 12 rolled out today; cryo testing imminent.
>>>
>>> Some sort of testing today (7 come 11) involving what seems to be a small
>>> amount of cryo (LOX) and venting.
>>
>> And now check off booster static fire (10:13:50 CDT).
>>
> It seems that IFT-5 is now expected to be in late August or early September.
>
> https://passionategeekz.com/musk-predicts-that-spacex-starships-fifth-test-flight-has-a-50-success-rate-in-capturing-spacecraft-and-is-expected-to-launch-in-late-august-or-early-september/
>
>
> Alain Fournier

Yes, as captured by Ellie attending X Takeover:
<URL:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=937KRQicaUs>

Most observers seem to expect early to mid September.

/dps

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