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SubjectAuthor
* PNN test of 1 hourEmidio Laureti
+- Re: PNN test of 1 hourMikko
`* Re: PNN test of 1 hourSylvia Else
 `* Re: PNN test of 1 hourVon Ottone
  `* Re: PNN test of 1 hourSylvia Else
   `* Re: PNN test of 1 hourVon Ottone
    `* Re: PNN test of 1 hourSylvia Else
     `* Re: PNN test of 1 hourVon Ottone
      `* Re: PNN test of 1 hourAlain Fournier
       `- Re: PNN test of 1 hourVon Ottone

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Subject: PNN test of 1 hour
From: Emidio Laureti
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From: asps@asps.it (Emidio Laureti)
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Subject: PNN test of 1 hour
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PNN test of 1 hour!

With the 1-hour push Aliena test www.asps.it/Aliena.jpg it
was shown that the boost increases PNN
over time with only a V-shaped dipole but of
new conception (info in www.asps.it ) according to what
had already been seen and observed in all previous tests.

With one hundred Aliena thrusters enhanced in series and
parallel to take off for the Moon and Mars
without losing mass!

Continuous and increasing thrust without losing even 1
milligram of mass as in this graph
www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg

Despite this, events that have been repeated for some time
continue to manufacture mammoth rockets for
the moon and Mars that they lose mass and will never
colonize anything.

They make taxpayers pay the costs so much that in their
strategy must continue to understand nothing about PNN and
buy into the comic nonsense of Musk and Nasa.
Their rockets have a huge mass. They leave with terrible
noise
poisoning the atmosphere with gases....
But they'll disappear like the dinosaurs disappeared

Subject: Re: PNN test of 1 hour
From: Mikko
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On 2024-11-12 09:04:54 +0000, Emidio Laureti said:

> PNN test of 1 hour!
>
> With the 1-hour push Aliena test www.asps.it/Aliena.jpg it
> was shown that the boost increases PNN
> over time with only a V-shaped dipole but of
> new conception (info in www.asps.it ) according to what
> had already been seen and observed in all previous tests.
>
> With one hundred Aliena thrusters enhanced in series and
> parallel to take off for the Moon and Mars
> without losing mass!
>
> Continuous and increasing thrust without losing even 1
> milligram of mass as in this graph
> www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg

More interesting than the thrust is the thrust / mass ratio.
Also the behaviour over longer times, at least 3000 seconds.

--
Mikko

Subject: Re: PNN test of 1 hour
From: Sylvia Else
Newsgroups: sci.space.policy
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2024 06:01 UTC
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Subject: Re: PNN test of 1 hour
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On 12-Nov-24 5:04 pm, Emidio Laureti wrote:
>
>
> PNN test of 1 hour!
>
> With the 1-hour push Aliena test www.asps.it/Aliena.jpg it
> was shown that the boost increases PNN
> over time with only a V-shaped dipole but of
> new conception (info in www.asps.it ) according to what
> had already been seen and observed in all previous tests.
>

This should raise doubts in itself. Why would there be a time dependency
if it works the way you claim it does?

Sylvia.

Subject: Re: PNN test of 1 hour
From: Von Ottone
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Subject: Re: PNN test of 1 hour
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:01:53 +0800, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

>On 12-Nov-24 5:04 pm, Emidio Laureti wrote:
>>
>>
>> PNN test of 1 hour!
>>
>> With the 1-hour push Aliena test www.asps.it/Aliena.jpg it
>> was shown that the boost increases PNN
>> over time with only a V-shaped dipole but of
>> new conception (info in www.asps.it ) according to what
>> had already been seen and observed in all previous tests.
>>
>
>This should raise doubts in itself. Why would there be a time dependency
>if it works the way you claim it does?
>
>Sylvia.

I start to think that you are not a sane person.

We said already that the thrust increases in time at parity of
consumed energy.

Subject: Re: PNN test of 1 hour
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Subject: Re: PNN test of 1 hour
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On 18-Nov-24 3:36 pm, Von Ottone wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:01:53 +0800, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12-Nov-24 5:04 pm, Emidio Laureti wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> PNN test of 1 hour!
>>>
>>> With the 1-hour push Aliena test www.asps.it/Aliena.jpg it
>>> was shown that the boost increases PNN
>>> over time with only a V-shaped dipole but of
>>> new conception (info in www.asps.it ) according to what
>>> had already been seen and observed in all previous tests.
>>>
>>
>> This should raise doubts in itself. Why would there be a time dependency
>> if it works the way you claim it does?
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> I start to think that you are not a sane person.
>
> We said already that the thrust increases in time at parity of
> consumed energy.
>

What does "parity of consumed energy" mean?

Sylvia

Subject: Re: PNN test of 1 hour
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 16:02:18 +0800, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

>On 18-Nov-24 3:36 pm, Von Ottone wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:01:53 +0800, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12-Nov-24 5:04 pm, Emidio Laureti wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PNN test of 1 hour!
>>>>
>>>> With the 1-hour push Aliena test www.asps.it/Aliena.jpg it
>>>> was shown that the boost increases PNN
>>>> over time with only a V-shaped dipole but of
>>>> new conception (info in www.asps.it ) according to what
>>>> had already been seen and observed in all previous tests.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This should raise doubts in itself. Why would there be a time dependency
>>> if it works the way you claim it does?
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> I start to think that you are not a sane person.
>>
>> We said already that the thrust increases in time at parity of
>> consumed energy.
>>
>
>What does "parity of consumed energy" mean?
>
>Sylvia
>

250 Watts input power all the time for 1 hour, the thrust increases,
apparently linearly...

Subject: Re: PNN test of 1 hour
From: Sylvia Else
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On 18-Nov-24 4:24 pm, Von Ottone wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 16:02:18 +0800, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 18-Nov-24 3:36 pm, Von Ottone wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:01:53 +0800, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12-Nov-24 5:04 pm, Emidio Laureti wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PNN test of 1 hour!
>>>>>
>>>>> With the 1-hour push Aliena test www.asps.it/Aliena.jpg it
>>>>> was shown that the boost increases PNN
>>>>> over time with only a V-shaped dipole but of
>>>>> new conception (info in www.asps.it ) according to what
>>>>> had already been seen and observed in all previous tests.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This should raise doubts in itself. Why would there be a time dependency
>>>> if it works the way you claim it does?
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> I start to think that you are not a sane person.
>>>
>>> We said already that the thrust increases in time at parity of
>>> consumed energy.
>>>
>>
>> What does "parity of consumed energy" mean?
>>
>> Sylvia
>>
>
> 250 Watts input power all the time for 1 hour, the thrust increases,
> apparently linearly...

Sounds like a temperature effect to me. Convection increases in response
to an increasing difference between the temperature of the device and
ambient.

Sylvia.

Subject: Re: PNN test of 1 hour
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:28:43 +0800, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

>On 18-Nov-24 4:24 pm, Von Ottone wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 16:02:18 +0800, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 18-Nov-24 3:36 pm, Von Ottone wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:01:53 +0800, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12-Nov-24 5:04 pm, Emidio Laureti wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PNN test of 1 hour!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With the 1-hour push Aliena test www.asps.it/Aliena.jpg it
>>>>>> was shown that the boost increases PNN
>>>>>> over time with only a V-shaped dipole but of
>>>>>> new conception (info in www.asps.it ) according to what
>>>>>> had already been seen and observed in all previous tests.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This should raise doubts in itself. Why would there be a time dependency
>>>>> if it works the way you claim it does?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> I start to think that you are not a sane person.
>>>>
>>>> We said already that the thrust increases in time at parity of
>>>> consumed energy.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What does "parity of consumed energy" mean?
>>>
>>> Sylvia
>>>
>>
>> 250 Watts input power all the time for 1 hour, the thrust increases,
>> apparently linearly...
>
>Sounds like a temperature effect to me. Convection increases in response
>to an increasing difference between the temperature of the device and
>ambient.
>
>Sylvia.

You don't know what you say.

We are at 64 grams of thrust, on a kern precision scale.

Subject: Re: PNN test of 1 hour
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On 2024-11-18 6:51 a.m., Von Ottone wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:28:43 +0800, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 18-Nov-24 4:24 pm, Von Ottone wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 16:02:18 +0800, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 18-Nov-24 3:36 pm, Von Ottone wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:01:53 +0800, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12-Nov-24 5:04 pm, Emidio Laureti wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PNN test of 1 hour!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the 1-hour push Aliena test www.asps.it/Aliena.jpg it
>>>>>>> was shown that the boost increases PNN
>>>>>>> over time with only a V-shaped dipole but of
>>>>>>> new conception (info in www.asps.it ) according to what
>>>>>>> had already been seen and observed in all previous tests.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This should raise doubts in itself. Why would there be a time dependency
>>>>>> if it works the way you claim it does?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>
>>>>> I start to think that you are not a sane person.
>>>>>
>>>>> We said already that the thrust increases in time at parity of
>>>>> consumed energy.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What does "parity of consumed energy" mean?
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia
>>>>
>>>
>>> 250 Watts input power all the time for 1 hour, the thrust increases,
>>> apparently linearly...
>>
>> Sounds like a temperature effect to me. Convection increases in response
>> to an increasing difference between the temperature of the device and
>> ambient.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> You don't know what you say.
>
> We are at 64 grams of thrust, on a kern precision scale.

She did not say that you did not have thrust. I believe you that you
have "64 grams" (I assume here that you mean 0.63 N, when you say 64
grams) of thrust. I believe, as Sylvia does, that your 0.63 N of thrust
comes from a temperature effect. All the data that has been provided by
PNN enthusiasts here are compatible with a temperature effect.

Alain Fournier

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On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 08:22:33 -0500, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-11-18 6:51 a.m., Von Ottone wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:28:43 +0800, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 18-Nov-24 4:24 pm, Von Ottone wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 16:02:18 +0800, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18-Nov-24 3:36 pm, Von Ottone wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:01:53 +0800, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12-Nov-24 5:04 pm, Emidio Laureti wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PNN test of 1 hour!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With the 1-hour push Aliena test www.asps.it/Aliena.jpg it
>>>>>>>> was shown that the boost increases PNN
>>>>>>>> over time with only a V-shaped dipole but of
>>>>>>>> new conception (info in www.asps.it ) according to what
>>>>>>>> had already been seen and observed in all previous tests.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This should raise doubts in itself. Why would there be a time dependency
>>>>>>> if it works the way you claim it does?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I start to think that you are not a sane person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We said already that the thrust increases in time at parity of
>>>>>> consumed energy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What does "parity of consumed energy" mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 250 Watts input power all the time for 1 hour, the thrust increases,
>>>> apparently linearly...
>>>
>>> Sounds like a temperature effect to me. Convection increases in response
>>> to an increasing difference between the temperature of the device and
>>> ambient.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> You don't know what you say.
>>
>> We are at 64 grams of thrust, on a kern precision scale.
>
>She did not say that you did not have thrust. I believe you that you
>have "64 grams" (I assume here that you mean 0.63 N, when you say 64
>grams) of thrust. I believe, as Sylvia does, that your 0.63 N of thrust
>comes from a temperature effect. All the data that has been provided by
>PNN enthusiasts here are compatible with a temperature effect.
>
>
>Alain Fournier

Your thermal effect is total nonsense.

It is evident that you have a poor knowledge of physics and
thermodynamics.

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