On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Attila < wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>> >> >
>> >> >you agree there was some verification for an
>> >> >earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>> >>
>> >> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>> >> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>> >> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>> >> them.
>> >>
>> >> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>> >> we exist.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >'In the beginning, God
>> >> >created the heavens and
>> >> >the earth.'
>> >>
>> >> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>> >> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>> >>
>> >> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Next in reverse engineering is
>> >> >
>> >> >"created"
>> >> >'...created the heavens and
>> >> >the earth.'
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>> >> >was...
>> >> >'created'???
>> >>
>> >> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>> >> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>> >> yet known.
>> >
>> >you wrote:
>> >"creation took place"
>>
>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>> occurred.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >That means you agree creation took place.
>>
>> Wrong. See above.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >What's next on my reverse engineering list?
>> >
>> >
>> >You already agreed on earth, heavens, and created...
>>
>> Nope. Nice try at putting words in my mouth.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Next is God...God created
>> >the heavens and the earth.
>>
>> If anything created anything the evidence indicates it could
>> have been space hamsters, beings from another dimension, or
>> a bored teenager with magical skills. Or something else.
>>
>> IOW, there is no evidence to support anything.
>>
>> I can keep repeating I have yet to see any valid evidence
>> supporting the existence of any god as long as you insist on
>> referring to one.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >What does the word "God" mean to you? How would you define the word...God?
>>
>> 1.
>> (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the
>> creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral
>> authority; the supreme being.
>
>
>I asked you..."God" mean to you?, you define the word...God?

Did you miss the " other monotheistic religions" part? I
did not include those with multi-gods (such as Hind and
ancient Egyptian because I have seen few advocates here.

>
>
>
>and You picked Your Christian God.

Not mine.

>
>So, you are a die hard self-hating Christian!
>
>
>Typical atheists.
>
>
>Your girlfriend Christian too, right?
>
>
>It's okay, Charles Darnwin is a self-hating Christian too!

Is? I thought he was dead.

>
>
>But I had prefer if you had gave me YOUR definition of God, not Google's.

I speak standard English and use definitions that are common
to most English speaking people. If I posted in Klingon I
doubt may people would know what I was saying.

>
>
>Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...

Why? It would mean nothing to me.

>
>
>teach me.

Sorry. I don't attempt the impossible.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> >
> >Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
>
> Why? It would mean nothing to me.

So, understand...I can only go by Your own words...

You wrote: "It would mean nothing to me."

Is that correct? You wrote: It would mean nothing to me.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Thu, 09 May 2024 10:46:27 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663D0BF3.62E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> >Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
>>
>> Why? It would mean nothing to me.
>
>
>So, understand...I can only go by Your own words...
>
>
>You wrote: "It would mean nothing to me."
>
>
>Is that correct? You wrote: It would mean nothing to me.

What is your point? I never think of any god except when I
post here and certainly don't waste time trying to think up
some esoteric definition of the term. It just isn't that
important.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Thu, 09 May 2024 10:46:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663D0BF3.62E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Attila < wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> >Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
> >>
> >> Why? It would mean nothing to me.
> >
> >
> >So, understand...I can only go by Your own words...
> >
> >
> >You wrote: "It would mean nothing to me."
> >
> >
> >Is that correct? You wrote: It would mean nothing to me.
>
> What is your point? I never think of any god except when I
> post here and certainly don't waste time trying to think up
> some esoteric definition of the term. It just isn't that
> important.

You *just* gave everyone YOUR definition of God.

Here is your definition of God: "It would mean nothing to me."

"It" refers to God...

"..would mean nothing to me."

means, God means Nothing to you.

So, does God mean something to you, or
God means Nothing to you?

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Thu, 09 May 2024 14:23:36 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663D3ED8.181@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 10:46:27 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <663D0BF3.62E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Attila < wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
>> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
>> >>
>> >> Why? It would mean nothing to me.
>> >
>> >
>> >So, understand...I can only go by Your own words...
>> >
>> >
>> >You wrote: "It would mean nothing to me."
>> >
>> >
>> >Is that correct? You wrote: It would mean nothing to me.
>>
>> What is your point? I never think of any god except when I
>> post here and certainly don't waste time trying to think up
>> some esoteric definition of the term. It just isn't that
>> important.
>
>You *just* gave everyone YOUR definition of God.
>
>Here is your definition of God: "It would mean nothing to me."

That is hardly a definition.

I would point out the subject being addressed was
definition. Therefore "it" is obviously the said
definition. It definition means nothing to me because I
don't consider the subject "god" important enough to bother
with.

>
>
>"It" refers to God...
>
>"..would mean nothing to me."
>
>
>means, God means Nothing to you.
>
>
>So, does God mean something to you, or
>God means Nothing to you?

Nothing to me. I have never kept it a secret.

But Jesus loves you.
Everyone else thinks you are an asshole.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:50:31 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <la42laFgid5U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>>>> was...
>>>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>>>> yet known.
>>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>>> "creation took place"
>>>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>>>> occurred.
>>>> Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???
>>> Since I never said that. no.
>>>
>>> I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
>>> created or that any god exists.
>>>
>>> I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
>>> evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
>>> was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
>>> any "creator" was involved at any point.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I know exactly where your mind is at...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>>>>
>>>> you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>>>>
>>>> you stare at the blank screen.
>>>>
>>>> dats it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you stare at ...nothiness.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you died.
>>> Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
>>> that I had before I was born.
>>>
>>>
>> https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4
> It sounds like our opinions basically agree.
>

definitely, but more than opinion. I believe we cease to exist with
death. I don't believe in a soul or any afterlife.

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Attila wrote:
> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> Attila < wrote:
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>
>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>> was...
>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>> yet known.
>>>> you wrote:
>>>> "creation took place"
>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>> occurred.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That means you agree creation took place.
>>> Wrong. See above.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's next on my reverse engineering list?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You already agreed on earth, heavens, and created...
>>> Nope. Nice try at putting words in my mouth.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Next is God...God created
>>>> the heavens and the earth.
>>> If anything created anything the evidence indicates it could
>>> have been space hamsters, beings from another dimension, or
>>> a bored teenager with magical skills. Or something else.
>>>
>>> IOW, there is no evidence to support anything.
>>>
>>> I can keep repeating I have yet to see any valid evidence
>>> supporting the existence of any god as long as you insist on
>>> referring to one.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What does the word "God" mean to you? How would you define the word...God?
>>> 1.
>>> (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the
>>> creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral
>>> authority; the supreme being.
>>
>> I asked you..."God" mean to you?, you define the word...God?
> Did you miss the " other monotheistic religions" part? I
> did not include those with multi-gods (such as Hind and
> ancient Egyptian because I have seen few advocates here.
>
>>
>>
>> and You picked Your Christian God.
> Not mine.
>
>> So, you are a die hard self-hating Christian!
>>
>>
>> Typical atheists.
>>
>>
>> Your girlfriend Christian too, right?
>>
>>
>> It's okay, Charles Darnwin is a self-hating Christian too!
> Is? I thought he was dead.
>
>>
>> But I had prefer if you had gave me YOUR definition of God, not Google's.
> I speak standard English and use definitions that are common
> to most English speaking people. If I posted in Klingon I
> doubt may people would know what I was saying.
>
>>
>> Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
> Why? It would mean nothing to me.

exactly. it's not for atheists to define God.

>>
>> teach me.
> Sorry. I don't attempt the impossible.
>

:)

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:08:49 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<la5ad5FmaaaU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:50:31 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <la42laFgid5U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>>>>> was...
>>>>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>>>>> yet known.
>>>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>>>> "creation took place"
>>>>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>>>>> occurred.
>>>>> Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???
>>>> Since I never said that. no.
>>>>
>>>> I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
>>>> created or that any god exists.
>>>>
>>>> I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
>>>> evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
>>>> was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
>>>> any "creator" was involved at any point.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I know exactly where your mind is at...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>>>>>
>>>>> you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>>>>>
>>>>> you stare at the blank screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> dats it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> you stare at ...nothiness.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> you died.
>>>> Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
>>>> that I had before I was born.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4
>> It sounds like our opinions basically agree.
>>
>
>definitely, but more than opinion. I believe we cease to exist with
>death. I don't believe in a soul or any afterlife.

I agree but I have no direct evidence either way.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:28:25 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<la5bhrFmf3cU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>>> was...
>>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>>> yet known.
>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>> "creation took place"
>>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>>> occurred.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That means you agree creation took place.
>>>> Wrong. See above.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What's next on my reverse engineering list?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You already agreed on earth, heavens, and created...
>>>> Nope. Nice try at putting words in my mouth.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Next is God...God created
>>>>> the heavens and the earth.
>>>> If anything created anything the evidence indicates it could
>>>> have been space hamsters, beings from another dimension, or
>>>> a bored teenager with magical skills. Or something else.
>>>>
>>>> IOW, there is no evidence to support anything.
>>>>
>>>> I can keep repeating I have yet to see any valid evidence
>>>> supporting the existence of any god as long as you insist on
>>>> referring to one.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What does the word "God" mean to you? How would you define the word...God?
>>>> 1.
>>>> (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the
>>>> creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral
>>>> authority; the supreme being.
>>>
>>> I asked you..."God" mean to you?, you define the word...God?
>> Did you miss the " other monotheistic religions" part? I
>> did not include those with multi-gods (such as Hind and
>> ancient Egyptian because I have seen few advocates here.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and You picked Your Christian God.
>> Not mine.
>>
>>> So, you are a die hard self-hating Christian!
>>>
>>>
>>> Typical atheists.
>>>
>>>
>>> Your girlfriend Christian too, right?
>>>
>>>
>>> It's okay, Charles Darnwin is a self-hating Christian too!
>> Is? I thought he was dead.
>>
>>>
>>> But I had prefer if you had gave me YOUR definition of God, not Google's.
>> I speak standard English and use definitions that are common
>> to most English speaking people. If I posted in Klingon I
>> doubt may people would know what I was saying.
>>
>>>
>>> Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
>> Why? It would mean nothing to me.
>
>exactly. it's not for atheists to define God.

Why should we bother?

>
>>>
>>> teach me.
>> Sorry. I don't attempt the impossible.
>>
>
>:)

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila wrote:
> On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:08:49 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <la5ad5FmaaaU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:50:31 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <la42laFgid5U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>>>>>> was...
>>>>>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>>>>>> yet known.
>>>>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>>>>> "creation took place"
>>>>>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>>>>>> occurred.
>>>>>> Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???
>>>>> Since I never said that. no.
>>>>>
>>>>> I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
>>>>> created or that any god exists.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
>>>>> evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
>>>>> was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
>>>>> any "creator" was involved at any point.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know exactly where your mind is at...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you stare at the blank screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dats it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you stare at ...nothiness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you died.
>>>>> Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
>>>>> that I had before I was born.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4
>>> It sounds like our opinions basically agree.
>>>
>> definitely, but more than opinion. I believe we cease to exist with
>> death. I don't believe in a soul or any afterlife.
> I agree but I have no direct evidence either way.
>

I believe the evidence is the lack of evidence, and the rationality
involved. why suppose there is an afterlife and a soul? it's only a
theistic postulate, and how religion derives it's power.

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:28:25 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <la5bhrFmf3cU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
> >Attila wrote:
> >> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Attila < wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
> >>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Attila < wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
> >>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
> >>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
> >>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
> >>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
> >>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
> >>>>>> them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
> >>>>>> we exist.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
> >>>>>>> created the heavens and
> >>>>>>> the earth.'
> >>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
> >>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "created"
> >>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
> >>>>>>> the earth.'
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
> >>>>>>> was...
> >>>>>>> 'created'???
> >>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
> >>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
> >>>>>> yet known.
> >>>>> you wrote:
> >>>>> "creation took place"
> >>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
> >>>> occurred.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That means you agree creation took place.
> >>>> Wrong. See above.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What's next on my reverse engineering list?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You already agreed on earth, heavens, and created...
> >>>> Nope. Nice try at putting words in my mouth.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Next is God...God created
> >>>>> the heavens and the earth.
> >>>> If anything created anything the evidence indicates it could
> >>>> have been space hamsters, beings from another dimension, or
> >>>> a bored teenager with magical skills. Or something else.
> >>>>
> >>>> IOW, there is no evidence to support anything.
> >>>>
> >>>> I can keep repeating I have yet to see any valid evidence
> >>>> supporting the existence of any god as long as you insist on
> >>>> referring to one.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What does the word "God" mean to you? How would you define the word...God?
> >>>> 1.
> >>>> (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the
> >>>> creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral
> >>>> authority; the supreme being.
> >>>
> >>> I asked you..."God" mean to you?, you define the word...God?
> >> Did you miss the " other monotheistic religions" part? I
> >> did not include those with multi-gods (such as Hind and
> >> ancient Egyptian because I have seen few advocates here.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> and You picked Your Christian God.
> >> Not mine.
> >>
> >>> So, you are a die hard self-hating Christian!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Typical atheists.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Your girlfriend Christian too, right?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It's okay, Charles Darnwin is a self-hating Christian too!
> >> Is? I thought he was dead.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> But I had prefer if you had gave me YOUR definition of God, not Google's.
> >> I speak standard English and use definitions that are common
> >> to most English speaking people. If I posted in Klingon I
> >> doubt may people would know what I was saying.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
> >> Why? It would mean nothing to me.
> >
> >exactly. it's not for atheists to define God.
>
> Why should we bother?

Atheists, by it's own definition of atheists cannot exist without God in it's own definition.

You're stuck with God for life, belief or no belief.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Thu, 09 May 2024 14:23:36 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663D3ED8.181@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Attila < wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 09 May 2024 10:46:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <663D0BF3.62E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Attila < wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> >> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
> >> >>
> >> >> Why? It would mean nothing to me.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >So, understand...I can only go by Your own words...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >You wrote: "It would mean nothing to me."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Is that correct? You wrote: It would mean nothing to me.
> >>
> >> What is your point? I never think of any god except when I
> >> post here and certainly don't waste time trying to think up
> >> some esoteric definition of the term. It just isn't that
> >> important.
> >
> >You *just* gave everyone YOUR definition of God.
> >
> >Here is your definition of God: "It would mean nothing to me."
>
> That is hardly a definition.
>
> I would point out the subject being addressed was
> definition. Therefore "it" is obviously the said
> definition. It definition means nothing to me because I
> don't consider the subject "god" important enough to bother
> with.
>
> >
> >
> >"It" refers to God...
> >
> >"..would mean nothing to me."
> >
> >
> >means, God means Nothing to you.
> >
> >
> >So, does God mean something to you, or
> >God means Nothing to you?
>
> Nothing to me. I have never kept it a secret.

I just needed verification of your own words from you before i move forward...

You said: God means nothing to you. you wrote also "mean nothing to me"

God means nothing to you is fine. You just said 'without' awarness...

that your religion is God
you believe God created the universe
you believe God created the heavens and the earth.

You believe 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

without you being aware of it.

So, I'll make you aware of it now....

I'm sure you heard of 'A Universe from Nothing'.

You said: God means nothing to you.

So, 'A Universe from Nothing'. ...Nothing is defined God.

The word Nothing and God both mean the samething.

A Universe from Nothing - A Universe from God.

God means Nothing
Nothing means God.

Lawrence M. Krauss wrote a book entittled: "A Universe from Nothing"

Nothing in Klaus religion means...God.

Since, according to Klaus religion, God is no thing.

also according to Klaus religion

God is also known as ayin "ay-yin") which means...Nothingness.

So, the title of Krauss book "A Universe from Nothing" translates to:

A Universe from God

or

God is Nothing

So, when yous say the universes comes from nothing...you're talking religion, not science.

"yesh me-Ayin", meaning "something from nothing",

Saadia Gaon, a prominent 9th-century rabbi and the first great Jewish philosopher, argues
that "the world came into existence out of nothingness".
This thesis was first translated into Hebrew as "yesh me-Ayin", meaning "something from nothing", in the 11th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayin_and_Yesh

In other words, Attila is not an atheist, he is instead...of the Jewish religion.

God means Nothing

a universe from nothing.

Attila God's name is Ayin.

God means Nothing -Attila

https://velveteenrabbi.blogs.com/blog/2013/07/gleanings-kabbalah-physics.html

Do you like mustard with your knish?

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

Maximus wrote:

> I believe we cease to exist with
> death. I don't believe in a soul or any afterlife.

"believe"????

Of course people have souls, or a spiritual essence, or whatchamacallit
it.

When you die...your soul leaves your body.

Very similar to an out-of-the-body experience.

Your soul leaves your body and you can see your body if you bother to
look down.

Now animals don't have souls, or insects, or fishes, or gorillas, etc,
....just people do.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Sat, 11 May 2024 11:10:59 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663FB4B3.48A3@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Maximus wrote:
>
>> I believe we cease to exist with
>> death. I don't believe in a soul or any afterlife.
>
>"believe"????
>
>
>Of course people have souls, or a spiritual essence, or whatchamacallit
>it.
>
>When you die...your soul leaves your body.
>
>Very similar to an out-of-the-body experience.
>
>
>Your soul leaves your body and you can see your body if you bother to
>look down.
>
>
>Now animals don't have souls, or insects, or fishes, or gorillas, etc,
>...just people do.

Where is your evidence to support that? Unambiguous,
unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence?

I have yet to see any evidence that any soul exists.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

I asked you for your love, but all you are only willing to offer me is
your Christian theology, which I don't like because it leaves one empty.

I guess I'll just have to grapple with that.

Michael Christ

On 11/05/2024 10:20 pm, dolf wrote:
> Nobody asked you to masturbate TIN MAN
>
> <http://www.grapple369.com/Groundwork/Notes%20On%20Possibility%20Of%20COVID%20Agent%20Provocateur.pdf>
>
> <http://www.grapple369.com/Groundwork/Golden%20Calf%20Notes%2020240507.pdf>
>
> Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for your valuable ignorant opinion.
>>
>> Much appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>
>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

On 11/05/2024 11:51 pm, Attila wrote:
> On Sat, 11 May 2024 22:09:21 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
> message-id <v1nn5i$1tont$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>>> We can't hide what we are, vessels of hope, faith (in whatever), and our
>>>> being is full of why am I here? You don't remain a nothing after you are
>>>> born. You have transitioned to become a something when you were created.
>>>> The genie is out of the bottle, the cat is out of the bag, now you have
>>>> to deal with it.
>>>
>>> That is nothing more than fear mixed with ego and wishful
>>> thinking. No one as wonderful as you consider yourself to
>>> be could possibly come to a sudden and complete end as if
>>> you had never existed.
>>>
>>> That is quite possible. Get over it.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "The claim that life received from itself" is vanity, asinine, and
>>>> scientifically impossible.
>>
>> Thank you for your valuable ignorant opinion.
>>
>> Much appreciated.
>
> Generally speaking one opinion is as good as another.

"Generally," and let me guess who is judge of the evidence? :-).

Lord Attila?

While
> some opinions are better based than others basically they
> are all pretty much equal in value.

Waffle off, please, Goofy. Go talk to your brains trust equal, Maximus
Minimus. :-).

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

On Fri, 10 May 2024 15:51:41 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<la5qvfFokmrU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:08:49 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <la5ad5FmaaaU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:50:31 +1000, Maximus
>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <la42laFgid5U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>>>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>>>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>>>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>>>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>>>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>>>>>>> was...
>>>>>>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>>>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>>>>>>> yet known.
>>>>>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "creation took place"
>>>>>>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>>>>>>> occurred.
>>>>>>> Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???
>>>>>> Since I never said that. no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
>>>>>> created or that any god exists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
>>>>>> evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
>>>>>> was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
>>>>>> any "creator" was involved at any point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know exactly where your mind is at...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you stare at the blank screen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dats it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you stare at ...nothiness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you died.
>>>>>> Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
>>>>>> that I had before I was born.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4
>>>> It sounds like our opinions basically agree.
>>>>
>>> definitely, but more than opinion. I believe we cease to exist with
>>> death. I don't believe in a soul or any afterlife.
>> I agree but I have no direct evidence either way.
>>
>
>I believe the evidence is the lack of evidence, and the rationality
>involved. why suppose there is an afterlife and a soul? it's only a
>theistic postulate, and how religion derives it's power.

As I have previous stated there is nothing wrong with any
belief. The problems arise when someone tries to assert a
belief as if it is verified fact.

Too many people think their beliefs are factual and try to
convince others of this.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On Fri, 10 May 2024 00:26:18 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663DCC1A.5EEC@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 14:23:36 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <663D3ED8.181@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Attila < wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 09 May 2024 10:46:27 -0700, The Starmaker
>> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> <663D0BF3.62E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Attila < wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
>> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> >> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Why? It would mean nothing to me.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >So, understand...I can only go by Your own words...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >You wrote: "It would mean nothing to me."
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Is that correct? You wrote: It would mean nothing to me.
>> >>
>> >> What is your point? I never think of any god except when I
>> >> post here and certainly don't waste time trying to think up
>> >> some esoteric definition of the term. It just isn't that
>> >> important.
>> >
>> >You *just* gave everyone YOUR definition of God.
>> >
>> >Here is your definition of God: "It would mean nothing to me."
>>
>> That is hardly a definition.
>>
>> I would point out the subject being addressed was
>> definition. Therefore "it" is obviously the said
>> definition. It definition means nothing to me because I
>> don't consider the subject "god" important enough to bother
>> with.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"It" refers to God...
>> >
>> >"..would mean nothing to me."
>> >
>> >
>> >means, God means Nothing to you.
>> >
>> >
>> >So, does God mean something to you, or
>> >God means Nothing to you?
>>
>> Nothing to me. I have never kept it a secret.
>
>
>I just needed verification of your own words from you before i move forward...
>
>
>You said: God means nothing to you. you wrote also "mean nothing to me"
>
>God means nothing to you is fine. You just said 'without' awarness...
>
>that your religion is God
>you believe God created the universe
>you believe God created the heavens and the earth.
>
>You believe 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
>
>without you being aware of it.
>
>So, I'll make you aware of it now....
>
>I'm sure you heard of 'A Universe from Nothing'.
>
>You said: God means nothing to you.
>
>
>So, 'A Universe from Nothing'. ...Nothing is defined God.
>
>
>The word Nothing and God both mean the samething.
>
>A Universe from Nothing - A Universe from God.
>
>God means Nothing
>Nothing means God.
>
>
>Lawrence M. Krauss wrote a book entittled: "A Universe from Nothing"
>
>
>Nothing in Klaus religion means...God.
>
>Since, according to Klaus religion, God is no thing.
>
>also according to Klaus religion
>
>God is also known as ayin "ay-yin") which means...Nothingness.
>
>
>
>So, the title of Krauss book "A Universe from Nothing" translates to:
>
>
>A Universe from God
>
>or
>
>God is Nothing
>
>
>
>
>
>So, when yous say the universes comes from nothing...you're talking religion, not science.
>
>
>"yesh me-Ayin", meaning "something from nothing",
>
>Saadia Gaon, a prominent 9th-century rabbi and the first great Jewish philosopher, argues
>that "the world came into existence out of nothingness".
>This thesis was first translated into Hebrew as "yesh me-Ayin", meaning "something from nothing", in the 11th century.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayin_and_Yesh
>
>
>
>In other words, Attila is not an atheist, he is instead...of the Jewish religion.
>
>
>God means Nothing
>
>
>a universe from nothing.
>
>
>Attila God's name is Ayin.
>
>
>God means Nothing -Attila
>
>
>
>https://velveteenrabbi.blogs.com/blog/2013/07/gleanings-kabbalah-physics.html
>
>
>Do you like mustard with your knish?

You remind me of Shakespeare. Much ado about nothing.

I suspect this is just another iteration of Rudy being the
ass he usually is. It really doesn't matter how you try to
reinterpret my statements to mean what you want them to
mean.

It doesn't change my position one iota.

I notice you removed the most accurate and important part of
my post (Why am I not surprised?) but I am happy to
reproduce it here.

But Jesus loves you.
Everyone else thinks you are an asshole.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On 10/05/2024 3:05 pm, Attila wrote:
> On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:08:49 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <la5ad5FmaaaU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:50:31 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <la42laFgid5U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>>>>>> was...
>>>>>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>>>>>> yet known.
>>>>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>>>>> "creation took place"
>>>>>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>>>>>> occurred.
>>>>>> Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???
>>>>> Since I never said that. no.
>>>>>
>>>>> I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
>>>>> created or that any god exists.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
>>>>> evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
>>>>> was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
>>>>> any "creator" was involved at any point.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know exactly where your mind is at...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you stare at the blank screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dats it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you stare at ...nothiness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you died.
>>>>> Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
>>>>> that I had before I was born.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4
>>> It sounds like our opinions basically agree.
>>>
>>
>> definitely, but more than opinion. I believe we cease to exist with
>> death. I don't believe in a soul or any afterlife.
>
> I agree but I have no direct evidence either way.

So you agree about what you have no evidence about.

:-).

You idiots!

I am not going to say "stupid contradictors." Oh shit, it is just too
hard; you stupid contradictors.

:-).

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

Attila wrote:
> On Fri, 10 May 2024 15:51:41 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <la5qvfFokmrU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:08:49 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <la5ad5FmaaaU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:50:31 +1000, Maximus
>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <la42laFgid5U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>>>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>>>>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>>>>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>>>>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>>>>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>>>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>>>>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>>>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>>>>>>>> was...
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>>>>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>>>>>>>> yet known.
>>>>>>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "creation took place"
>>>>>>>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>>>>>>>> occurred.
>>>>>>>> Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???
>>>>>>> Since I never said that. no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
>>>>>>> created or that any god exists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
>>>>>>> evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
>>>>>>> was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
>>>>>>> any "creator" was involved at any point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know exactly where your mind is at...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you stare at the blank screen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> dats it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you stare at ...nothiness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you died.
>>>>>>> Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
>>>>>>> that I had before I was born.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4
>>>>> It sounds like our opinions basically agree.
>>>>>
>>>> definitely, but more than opinion. I believe we cease to exist with
>>>> death. I don't believe in a soul or any afterlife.
>>> I agree but I have no direct evidence either way.
>>>
>> I believe the evidence is the lack of evidence, and the rationality
>> involved. why suppose there is an afterlife and a soul? it's only a
>> theistic postulate, and how religion derives it's power.
> As I have previous stated there is nothing wrong with any
> belief. The problems arise when someone tries to assert a
> belief as if it is verified fact.
>
> Too many people think their beliefs are factual and try to
> convince others of this.
>

too many here in fact

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 10/05/2024 3:05 pm, Attila wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:08:49 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <la5ad5FmaaaU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:50:31 +1000, Maximus
>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <la42laFgid5U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>>>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>>>>>>> repeatable experiments.  Since they provide the structure
>>>>>>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>>>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>>>>>>> source as if is relevant.  Why is that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>>>>>>> was...
>>>>>>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily.  And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>>>>>>> possible creation took place.  Those are things that are not
>>>>>>>>>> yet known.
>>>>>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "creation took place"
>>>>>>>> "Possible creation"  I do not concede such creation
>>>>>>>> occurred.
>>>>>>> Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???
>>>>>> Since I never said that. no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
>>>>>> created or that any god exists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
>>>>>> evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
>>>>>> was not included in the sun.  There is no reason to think
>>>>>> any "creator" was involved at any point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know exactly where your mind is at...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you stare at the blank screen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dats it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you stare at ...nothiness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you died.
>>>>>> Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
>>>>>> that I had before I was born.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4
>>>> It sounds like our opinions basically agree.
>>>>
>>>
>>> definitely, but more than opinion. I believe we cease to exist with
>>> death. I don't believe in a soul or any afterlife.
>>
>> I agree but I have no direct evidence either way.
>
> So you agree about what you have no evidence about.
>
> :-).
>
> You idiots!
>
> I am not going to say "stupid contradictors." Oh shit, it is just too
> hard; you stupid contradictors.
>
> :-).
>
>

where's your proof a soul and an afterlife exist?

>
> Michael Christ
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Fri, 10 May 2024 22:37:41 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<la6iomFs21eU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 15:51:41 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <la5qvfFokmrU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:08:49 +1000, Maximus
>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <la5ad5FmaaaU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:50:31 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <la42laFgid5U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>>>>>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>>>>>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>>>>>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>>>>>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>>>>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>>>>>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>>>>>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>>>>>>>>> yet known.
>>>>>>>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "creation took place"
>>>>>>>>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>>>>>>>>> occurred.
>>>>>>>>> Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???
>>>>>>>> Since I never said that. no.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
>>>>>>>> created or that any god exists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
>>>>>>>> evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
>>>>>>>> was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
>>>>>>>> any "creator" was involved at any point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know exactly where your mind is at...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you stare at the blank screen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> dats it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you stare at ...nothiness.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you died.
>>>>>>>> Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
>>>>>>>> that I had before I was born.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4
>>>>>> It sounds like our opinions basically agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>> definitely, but more than opinion. I believe we cease to exist with
>>>>> death. I don't believe in a soul or any afterlife.
>>>> I agree but I have no direct evidence either way.
>>>>
>>> I believe the evidence is the lack of evidence, and the rationality
>>> involved. why suppose there is an afterlife and a soul? it's only a
>>> theistic postulate, and how religion derives it's power.
>> As I have previous stated there is nothing wrong with any
>> belief. The problems arise when someone tries to assert a
>> belief as if it is verified fact.
>>
>> Too many people think their beliefs are factual and try to
>> convince others of this.
>>
>
>too many here in fact

Too many everywhere.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On Fri, 10 May 2024 21:38:10 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
message-id <v1l0v3$19pfv$2@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 10/05/2024 3:05 pm, Attila wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:08:49 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <la5ad5FmaaaU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:50:31 +1000, Maximus
>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <la42laFgid5U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>>>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>>>>>>> repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
>>>>>>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>>>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>>>>>>> source as if is relevant. Why is that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>>>>>>> was...
>>>>>>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>>>>>>> possible creation took place. Those are things that are not
>>>>>>>>>> yet known.
>>>>>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "creation took place"
>>>>>>>> "Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
>>>>>>>> occurred.
>>>>>>> Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???
>>>>>> Since I never said that. no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
>>>>>> created or that any god exists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
>>>>>> evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
>>>>>> was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
>>>>>> any "creator" was involved at any point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know exactly where your mind is at...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you stare at the blank screen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dats it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you stare at ...nothiness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you died.
>>>>>> Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
>>>>>> that I had before I was born.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4
>>>> It sounds like our opinions basically agree.
>>>>
>>>
>>> definitely, but more than opinion. I believe we cease to exist with
>>> death. I don't believe in a soul or any afterlife.
>>
>> I agree but I have no direct evidence either way.
>
>So you agree about what you have no evidence about.

Sure I can. I have a right to an opinion or belief just
like anyone else.

>
>:-).
>
>You idiots!
>
>I am not going to say "stupid contradictors." Oh shit, it is just too
>hard; you stupid contradictors.

Still reading on a first grade level I see.

>
>:-).
>
>
>
>Michael Christ

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila < wrote:
>
> On Fri, 10 May 2024 00:26:18 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <663DCC1A.5EEC@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Attila < wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 09 May 2024 14:23:36 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <663D3ED8.181@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Attila < wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, 09 May 2024 10:46:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> >> <663D0BF3.62E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Attila < wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Thu, 09 May 2024 08:29:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> >> >> <663CEBD7.3857@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Everyone here wants to know what exactly is YOUR definition of God...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Why? It would mean nothing to me.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >So, understand...I can only go by Your own words...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You wrote: "It would mean nothing to me."
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Is that correct? You wrote: It would mean nothing to me.
> >> >>
> >> >> What is your point? I never think of any god except when I
> >> >> post here and certainly don't waste time trying to think up
> >> >> some esoteric definition of the term. It just isn't that
> >> >> important.
> >> >
> >> >You *just* gave everyone YOUR definition of God.
> >> >
> >> >Here is your definition of God: "It would mean nothing to me."
> >>
> >> That is hardly a definition.
> >>
> >> I would point out the subject being addressed was
> >> definition. Therefore "it" is obviously the said
> >> definition. It definition means nothing to me because I
> >> don't consider the subject "god" important enough to bother
> >> with.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"It" refers to God...
> >> >
> >> >"..would mean nothing to me."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >means, God means Nothing to you.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >So, does God mean something to you, or
> >> >God means Nothing to you?
> >>
> >> Nothing to me. I have never kept it a secret.
> >
> >
> >I just needed verification of your own words from you before i move forward...
> >
> >
> >You said: God means nothing to you. you wrote also "mean nothing to me"
> >
> >God means nothing to you is fine. You just said 'without' awarness...
> >
> >that your religion is God
> >you believe God created the universe
> >you believe God created the heavens and the earth.
> >
> >You believe 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
> >
> >without you being aware of it.
> >
> >So, I'll make you aware of it now....
> >
> >I'm sure you heard of 'A Universe from Nothing'.
> >
> >You said: God means nothing to you.
> >
> >
> >So, 'A Universe from Nothing'. ...Nothing is defined God.
> >
> >
> >The word Nothing and God both mean the samething.
> >
> >A Universe from Nothing - A Universe from God.
> >
> >God means Nothing
> >Nothing means God.
> >
> >
> >Lawrence M. Krauss wrote a book entittled: "A Universe from Nothing"
> >
> >
> >Nothing in Klaus religion means...God.
> >
> >Since, according to Klaus religion, God is no thing.
> >
> >also according to Klaus religion
> >
> >God is also known as ayin "ay-yin") which means...Nothingness.
> >
> >
> >
> >So, the title of Krauss book "A Universe from Nothing" translates to:
> >
> >
> >A Universe from God
> >
> >or
> >
> >God is Nothing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >So, when yous say the universes comes from nothing...you're talking religion, not science.
> >
> >
> >"yesh me-Ayin", meaning "something from nothing",
> >
> >Saadia Gaon, a prominent 9th-century rabbi and the first great Jewish philosopher, argues
> >that "the world came into existence out of nothingness".
> >This thesis was first translated into Hebrew as "yesh me-Ayin", meaning "something from nothing", in the 11th century.
> >
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayin_and_Yesh
> >
> >
> >
> >In other words, Attila is not an atheist, he is instead...of the Jewish religion.
> >
> >
> >God means Nothing
> >
> >
> >a universe from nothing.
> >
> >
> >Attila God's name is Ayin.
> >
> >
> >God means Nothing -Attila
> >
> >
> >
> >https://velveteenrabbi.blogs.com/blog/2013/07/gleanings-kabbalah-physics.html
> >
> >
> >Do you like mustard with your knish?
>
> You remind me of Shakespeare. Much ado about nothing.
>
> I suspect this is just another iteration of Rudy being the
> ass he usually is. It really doesn't matter how you try to
> reinterpret my statements to mean what you want them to
> mean.
>
> It doesn't change my position one iota.
>
> I notice you removed the most accurate and important part of
> my post (Why am I not surprised?) but I am happy to
> reproduce it here.
>
> But Jesus loves you.
> Everyone else thinks you are an asshole.
>

So here is Attila version of his bible...

'In the beginning, Ayin created the heavens and the earth'.

Kike.

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On 10/05/2024 10:48 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 10/05/2024 3:05 pm, Attila wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:08:49 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <la5ad5FmaaaU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:50:31 +1000, Maximus
>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <la42laFgid5U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>> <6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, back to my reverse engineering...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you agree there was some verification for an
>>>>>>>>>>>> earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)
>>>>>>>>>>> They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
>>>>>>>>>>> repeatable experiments.  Since they provide the structure
>>>>>>>>>>> for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
>>>>>>>>>>> we exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'In the beginning, God
>>>>>>>>>>>> created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>>>> You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
>>>>>>>>>>> source as if is relevant.  Why is that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since it is unverified it is useless.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Next in reverse engineering is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "created"
>>>>>>>>>>>> '...created the heavens and
>>>>>>>>>>>> the earth.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
>>>>>>>>>>>> was...
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'created'???
>>>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily.  And especially I have no idea how such
>>>>>>>>>>> possible creation took place.  Those are things that are not
>>>>>>>>>>> yet known.
>>>>>>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "creation took place"
>>>>>>>>> "Possible creation"  I do not concede such creation
>>>>>>>>> occurred.
>>>>>>>> Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???
>>>>>>> Since I never said that. no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
>>>>>>> created or that any god exists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
>>>>>>> evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
>>>>>>> was not included in the sun.  There is no reason to think
>>>>>>> any "creator" was involved at any point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know exactly where your mind is at...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you stare at the blank screen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> dats it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you stare at ...nothiness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you died.
>>>>>>> Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
>>>>>>> that I had before I was born.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4
>>>>> It sounds like our opinions basically agree.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> definitely, but more than opinion. I believe we cease to exist with
>>>> death. I don't believe in a soul or any afterlife.
>>>
>>> I agree but I have no direct evidence either way.
>>
>> So you agree about what you have no evidence about.
>>
>> :-).
>>
>> You idiots!
>>
>> I am not going to say "stupid contradictors." Oh shit, it is just too
>> hard; you stupid contradictors.
>>
>> :-).
>>
>>
>
> where's your proof a soul and an afterlife exist?

No change, Muddy Mind.

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

Michael Christ

--
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Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."