https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-54425-5

The earliest dog relative found so for; a gorgonopsian ~270 Mya.

On 12/17/24 11:06 AM, erik simpson wrote:
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-54425-5
>
> The earliest dog relative found so for; a gorgonopsian ~270 Mya.

I can think of much earlier dog relatives. Isn't any fossil whatsoever a
dog relative? Unless you're a fan of separate creation? There are even
synapsids of much earlier date.

On 12/17/24 11:28 AM, John Harshman wrote:
> On 12/17/24 11:06 AM, erik simpson wrote:
>> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-54425-5
>>
>> The earliest dog relative found so for; a gorgonopsian ~270 Mya.
>
> I can think of much earlier dog relatives. Isn't any fossil whatsoever a
> dog relative? Unless you're a fan of separate creation? There are even
> synapsids of much earlier date.
Sure, but this once looks more like a dog. (See some of the popular
press pictures.)

On 12/17/24 11:06, erik simpson wrote:
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-54425-5
>
> The earliest dog relative found so for; a gorgonopsian ~270 Mya.

Isn't the word 'relative' unclear?

Kind of like 'kind', 'species', or 'hybrid'?

I am thinking that wolves, coyotes, and jackals can
all cross and produce viable offspring, but foxes
can not?

Then there is some of the South American canids
that are closer than foxes but more distant than
say wolves from coyotes and jackals?

What kind of kind is 'kind'?

On 1/27/25 2:25 AM, x wrote:
> On 12/17/24 11:06, erik simpson wrote:
>> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-54425-5
>>
>> The earliest dog relative found so for; a gorgonopsian ~270 Mya.
>
> Isn't the word 'relative' unclear?
>
> Kind of like 'kind', 'species', or 'hybrid'?
>
> I am thinking that wolves, coyotes, and jackals can
> all cross and produce viable offspring, but foxes
> can not?
>
> Then there is some of the South American canids
> that are closer than foxes but more distant than
> say wolves from coyotes and jackals?
>
> What kind of kind is 'kind'?
>
In this context, I was talking about a pretty silly time-travel TV
serial of some time back. I mentioned it once in a episode that
featured a gorgonopsian coming to the present through some sort of time
portal. Some on else mentioned that one of the characters in the
serialhad a pet therapsid. Therapsidae is a clade of paleozoic
"mammals", containing among other things gorgonopsians which were the
apex predators of the time. "Mammals" isn't a good fit for any of these
animals, as they were remove from true mammals by hundreds of millions
of years. Synapsid is a better term. I don't recall which of the many
therapsids was the pet. For that matter we and all living mammals are
also therapsids.

On 1/27/25 20:46, erik simpson wrote:
> On 1/27/25 2:25 AM, x wrote:
>> On 12/17/24 11:06, erik simpson wrote:
>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-54425-5
>>>
>>> The earliest dog relative found so for; a gorgonopsian ~270 Mya.
>>
>> Isn't the word 'relative' unclear?
>>
>> Kind of like 'kind', 'species', or 'hybrid'?
>>
>> I am thinking that wolves, coyotes, and jackals can
>> all cross and produce viable offspring, but foxes
>> can not?
>>
>> Then there is some of the South American canids
>> that are closer than foxes but more distant than
>> say wolves from coyotes and jackals?
>>
>> What kind of kind is 'kind'?
>>
> In this context, I was talking about a pretty silly time-travel TV
> serial of some time back.  I mentioned it once in a episode that
> featured a gorgonopsian coming to the present through some sort of time
> portal.  Some on else mentioned that one of the characters in the
> serialhad a pet therapsid.  Therapsidae is a clade of paleozoic
> "mammals", containing among other things gorgonopsians which were the
> apex predators of the time.  "Mammals" isn't a good fit for any of these
> animals, as they were remove from true mammals by hundreds of millions
> of years.  Synapsid is a better term.  I don't recall which of the many
> therapsids was the pet.  For that matter we and all living mammals are
> also therapsids.

Stragely enough, I near midnight just a few days ago looked up
'George Herbert Walker' (1875-1953) on Wikipedia to try to make
sense of some names a few years back,

Then I noticed, 'Herbert George' is 'George Herbert' with the
two names reversed.

With that you might get 'H G Wells' the author of 'The Time
Machine', 'The Sleeper Awakes', and 'The Man who could Work Miracles'.
I am thinking you can still see that 1937 movie on Youtube.