On 2024-08-05 7:38 a.m., D wrote:
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> On Sun, 4 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
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>> On 2024-08-04 5:51 a.m., D wrote:
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>>> On Sat, 3 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
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>>>> On 2024-08-03 6:40 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 03/08/2024 08:11, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 17:49:30 -0400
>>>>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
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>>>>>>> On 2024-08-02 1:50 p.m., Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 12:57:36 -0400
>>>>>>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> Power lines aren't the problem, you ridiculous cretin. Power
>>>>>>>>> _production_ is the problem. There is no shortage of videos of
>>>>>>>>> electric
>>>>>>>>> cars owners lined up to the few charging stations that work
>>>>>>>>> because not
>>>>>>>>> only is there not enough electricity being produced there
>>>>>>>>> (because we
>>>>>>>>> had to close coal factories after all), the stations themselves
>>>>>>>>> cease
>>>>>>>>> to work and nobody is ever around to fix them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     I'm trying to keep out of this but Oh boy that is priceless
>>>>>>>> garbage! Most EV owners charge at home overnight taking
>>>>>>>> advantage of the
>>>>>>>> times when the grid is underutilised and electricity is cheap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And what do you do when you're on a road trip, pray tell? Do you
>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I don't go on road trips, that's a peculiarly American thing. The
>>>>>> longest journey I make (rarely) is about 350km of driving, most
>>>>>> current EVs
>>>>>> can easily do that on a charge. I wouldn't want to drive more than
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> in a day and then only for one day but if I was going to I'd be
>>>>>> planning
>>>>>> rest stops at places with chargers thus recharging self and car at
>>>>>> the same
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as many kilometres you can, come back home to charge, drive the same
>>>>>>> kilometres and come back home to charge? Or do you use a charging
>>>>>>> station?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Obviously when away from home it is usually necessary to depend
>>>>>> on the charging network (unless you're staying somewhere with a
>>>>>> charger or
>>>>>> can use a "granny cable") but "charging station" not so much. I see
>>>>>> chargers in supermarket, shopping centre, hotel and municipal car
>>>>>> parks as
>>>>>> well as motorway service stations. I rarely see all of the
>>>>>> chargers in use
>>>>>> anywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The thing is that long journets are the exception not the norm,
>>>>>> most of the time most cars travel less than 100 miles per day
>>>>>> which means
>>>>>> that overnight charging easily keeps them full and even quite small
>>>>>> batteries suffice. A great many people were happy with the
>>>>>> original Nissan
>>>>>> Leaf with its 24kWh battery and 120km range (on a good day) - with
>>>>>> an EV
>>>>>> that limited I'd hire a car for long journeys and still come out
>>>>>> way ahead
>>>>>> on driving costs - 2c/km instead of 10c/km in fuel costs and much
>>>>>> cheaper
>>>>>> services (there's usually nothing to do but check everything in an EV
>>>>>> service).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     EVs have only two serious downsides - they're expensive to buy
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> they depreciate quickly at first because the new models are always
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> better every year. These are good reasons not to buy a *new* EV,
>>>>>> second
>>>>>> hand ones are getting interesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Evs have no upsides at all. Not really.
>>>>> Even fuel cost will be forced to rise on account of them not paying
>>>>> fuel duty
>>>>>
>>>>> The answer is in the sales figures of tthe major EV manufacturers.
>>>>> People are stinging away on droves.
>>>>
>>>> The local news just announced that our rates are going to increase
>>>> 3% every year to make up for demand. The 3% seems low until you
>>>> realize that is the maximum legal amount they can charge since our
>>>> production is owned by the state. If they could raise prices by 10
>>>> or 20%, they would.
>>>>
>>>> It's just a matter of time before charging your EV will cost more
>>>> than gassing your car. To hippies, this won't matter because they
>>>> will still be "saving the planet" even though they never consider
>>>> where that battery goes after it is depleted (it's never recycled),
>>>> where the CAR goes after it is obsolete (its parts are never
>>>> recycled because doing so is lethal), and how much they polluted the
>>>> environment simply building the car in the first place.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Add to that the fact that the whole in the public budget, when people
>>> are no longer getting taxed by the gas pump, is going to shift to EV
>>> charging.
>>>
>>> I think the gasoline tax in sweden is 50%. I would expect this to
>>> shift over to electricity once enough people switch, which will
>>> hopefully only happen in 20-30 years or so.
>>
>> They will sell it as necessary to pay for the power plants they will
>> need to build to produce the electricity needed for the multitude of
>> things connected to the grid. Computers, televisions, phones and cars,
>> everything will be connected to the grid owned by the government. If
>> the population becomes too rowdy, they will produce a little less; if
>> the population goes along with their plans, they will produce a little
>> more.
>>
>
> Another fun political play at the moment (actually there are two) which
> I am fairly certain will end in complete disaster is:
>
> 1. North volt. The attempt to build the worlds biggest battery company.
> They have taken in billions and billions from the investors, including
> the government of sweden, and swedish municipalities, and have not
> earned a dime. As china ramps up, there is no way in h*ll that they will
> be able to produce batteries at the came cost as china, especially since
> china and russia are dividing up africa between themselves as we speak.
> Also note that taxes and labour laws are so prohibitively strict in
> sweden that china again has the advantage, even if sweden had the raw
> materials.
>
> 2. Green steel. I don't remember the name of the project, but I think
> SSAB or some other steel company are going to produce "green steel" in
> northern sweden to revolutionize the world. The problem? They need an
> _entire nuclear power plant_ only for that production since it uses
> ridiculous amounts of energy to produce it. So before they can do that,
> sweden needs to give them a powerplant, _and_ the infrastructure to
> transmit the power, and even then, the cost will be ridiculous. This is
> hailed as a messiah project and the government and municipalities are
> investing millions and possibly billions since this will obviously be
> the new green gold!
>
> I predict that both project will fail within 10 years. Well, the green
> steel ones probably will not even have started in 10 years, since a
> nuclear reactor is at least 10 years away, if not closer to 20.

All "green" projects always end up being a disaster. If I'm wrong, I
invite anyone to point to one such project that actually made a profit
and continues to succeed to this day. I won't be holding my breath though.

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