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Subject: Re: OT: Windows (Was: Re: Open Source does not mean easily
From: Kaz Kylheku
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From: 643-408-1753@kylheku.com (Kaz Kylheku)
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Subject: Re: OT: Windows (Was: Re: Open Source does not mean easily
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On 2025-01-15, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 20:27:54 -0000 (UTC)
> Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> wibbled:
>>On 2025-01-08, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
>>> I don't need to prove myself to argue with some random troll on a newsgroup.
>>> If you can't handle that thats your problem, not mine.
>>
>>I have to say, that's pretty tone deaf, as a reply to Dan Cross.
>
> Sorry if I don't hero worship like you. If I think someone's talking bollocks
> then I'll call it out.

Glad you understand the concept.

Dan Cross being a random troll in a newsgroup is an example of bollocks,
and it's being called out.

Even if Dan happened to be caught talking bollocks, it still wouldn't
make him a troll, or random. It's simply not factual or rational.

--
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Subject: Re: OT: Windows (Was: Re: Open Source does not mean easily
From: Dan Cross
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Subject: Re: OT: Windows (Was: Re: Open Source does not mean easily
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In article <20250115122111.406@kylheku.com>,
Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> wrote:
>[snip]
>Dan Cross being a random troll in a newsgroup is an example of bollocks,
>and it's being called out.

Thanks, Kaz. That's kind of you.

>Even if Dan happened to be caught talking bollocks, it still wouldn't
>make him a troll, or random. It's simply not factual or rational.

In fairness, most of what I say is probably bollocks. :-D

- Dan C.

Subject: Re: OT: Windows (Was: Re: Open Source does not mean easily
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Subject: Re: OT: Windows (Was: Re: Open Source does not mean easily
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 20:20:44 -0000 (UTC)
Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> wibbled:
>On 2025-01-15, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
>> The usual "i don't agree with you so you must be a troll" attitude.
>
>Rather, it is this accusation that is an extremely common trope.
>Rarely is it true.

Its very often true. Calling someone a troll in a newsgroup is a drop-the-mic
and walk off because you've lost the argument. Exactly the same as calling
someone a racist/xenophone/whatever IRL when you run out of debating ability.

Subject: Re: OT: Windows (Was: Re: Open Source does not mean easily
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 20:27:41 -0000 (UTC)
Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> wibbled:
>On 2025-01-15, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 20:27:54 -0000 (UTC)
>> Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> wibbled:
>>>On 2025-01-08, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
>>>> I don't need to prove myself to argue with some random troll on a
>newsgroup.
>>>> If you can't handle that thats your problem, not mine.
>>>
>>>I have to say, that's pretty tone deaf, as a reply to Dan Cross.
>>
>> Sorry if I don't hero worship like you. If I think someone's talking bollocks
>
>> then I'll call it out.
>
>Glad you understand the concept.
>
>Dan Cross being a random troll in a newsgroup is an example of bollocks,
>and it's being called out.

I've rarely seen him post here but keep holding a candle for his magnificence
if it makes you feel better.

>Even if Dan happened to be caught talking bollocks, it still wouldn't
>make him a troll, or random. It's simply not factual or rational.

If someone talks a load of rubbish in reply to someone and also accuses that
someone of being clueless instead of actually arguing the point then I'd say
that was trolling.

Incidentaly no one has said what this wunderkind has actually done that
deserves such praise. Given that he looks late 20s in his picture he's
certaiunly no greybeard with a long history of contributions.

Subject: Re: OT: Windows (Was: Re: Open Source does not mean easily
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Subject: Re: OT: Windows (Was: Re: Open Source does not mean easily
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In article <vmakbg$3eqtn$1@dont-email.me>, <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
>[snip]
>Given that he looks late 20s in his picture he's
>certaiunly no greybeard with a long history of contributions.

I wish I were still in my late 20s. Perhaps my knees would hurt
less.

And if only my hair (and beard) were more colorful, but sadly, I
went almost totally gray in Afghanistan. Perhaps I'll turn out
lucky and have eventually have silver hair like my grandmother
had.

- Dan C.

Subject: Re: OT: Windows (Was: Re: Open Source does not mean easily
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Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org, dans le message <vmak6r$3eq9o$1@dont-email.me>,
a écrit :
> Its very often true. Calling someone a troll in a newsgroup is a drop-the-mic
> and walk off because you've lost the argument.

From what I have seen recently, calling you a troll is cutting oneself with
Hanlon's razor.

Subject: Re: OT: Windows (Was: Re: Open Source does not mean easily
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 14:51:40 -0000 (UTC)
cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) wibbled:
>In article <vmakbg$3eqtn$1@dont-email.me>, <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
>>[snip]
>>Given that he looks late 20s in his picture he's
>>certaiunly no greybeard with a long history of contributions.
>
>I wish I were still in my late 20s. Perhaps my knees would hurt
>less.

You need to update your photo.

>And if only my hair (and beard) were more colorful, but sadly, I
>went almost totally gray in Afghanistan. Perhaps I'll turn out

The humblebrag vet stuff isn't going to get you any brownie points with me mate.
2 of my family also served there and they don't act like dicks in online forums.

Subject: Re: OT: Windows (Was: Re: Open Source does not mean easily
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cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:
>In article <vmakbg$3eqtn$1@dont-email.me>, <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
>>[snip]
>>Given that he looks late 20s in his picture he's
>>certaiunly no greybeard with a long history of contributions.
>
>I wish I were still in my late 20s. Perhaps my knees would hurt
>less.

Weren't you at Murray Hill, before the move to Summit?

Subject: Re: OT: Windows (Was: Re: Open Source does not mean easily
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In article <1%9iP.816684$oR74.514042@fx16.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:
>>In article <vmakbg$3eqtn$1@dont-email.me>, <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
>>>[snip]
>>>Given that he looks late 20s in his picture he's
>>>certaiunly no greybeard with a long history of contributions.
>>
>>I wish I were still in my late 20s. Perhaps my knees would hurt
>>less.
>
>Weren't you at Murray Hill, before the move to Summit?

Ha, no; I used to just go down there to hang around the Unix
room, but never worked for the labs.

- Dan C.

Subject: Re: OT: Windows (Was: Re: Open Source does not mean easily
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On 2025-01-16, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 14:51:40 -0000 (UTC)
> cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) wibbled:
>>And if only my hair (and beard) were more colorful, but sadly, I
>>went almost totally gray in Afghanistan. Perhaps I'll turn out
> 2 of my family also served there and they don't act like dicks in online forums.

1 of your family, on the other hand, ...

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