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Subject: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
From: -hh
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:21 UTC
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Subject: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
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Looks like Tom's trip might have some disruptions:

<https://apnews.com/article/wildfire-canada-jasper-national-park-evacuation-167dcc0e03984672584f9770799c2fb8>

-hh

Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
From: Alan
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From: nuh-uh@nope.com (Alan)
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Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
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On 2024-07-24 11:21, -hh wrote:
> Looks like Tom's trip might have some disruptions:
>
>
> <https://apnews.com/article/wildfire-canada-jasper-national-park-evacuation-167dcc0e03984672584f9770799c2fb8>

Based on his political leanings, I'm sure Tom doesn't believe in global
warming.

:-)

Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
From: Tom Elam
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 00:02 UTC
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From: thomas.e.elam@gmail.com (Tom Elam)
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Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 20:02:42 -0400
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On 7/24/2024 2:22 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-07-24 11:21, -hh wrote:
>> Looks like Tom's trip might have some disruptions:
>>
>>
>> <https://apnews.com/article/wildfire-canada-jasper-national-park-evacuation-167dcc0e03984672584f9770799c2fb8>
>
> Based on his political leanings, I'm sure Tom doesn't believe in global
> warming.
>
> :-)
>

Global warming has been going on for a very long time. The data are
irrefutable.

Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
From: Tom Elam
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 00:06 UTC
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From: thomas.e.elam@gmail.com (Tom Elam)
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Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 20:06:39 -0400
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On 7/24/2024 2:21 PM, -hh wrote:
> Looks like Tom's trip might have some disruptions:
>
>
> <https://apnews.com/article/wildfire-canada-jasper-national-park-evacuation-167dcc0e03984672584f9770799c2fb8>
>
>
>
> -hh

We did not get to go to ice fields up that way. The tour company
substituted a very nice local trip with lunch. Otherwise all went off as
scheduled. We had a great time. The train trip was the highlight. If you
go choose the Gold level.

Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
From: -hh
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Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
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Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/24/2024 2:21 PM, -hh wrote:
>> Looks like Tom's trip might have some disruptions:
>>
>>
>> <https://apnews.com/article/wildfire-canada-jasper-national-park-evacuation-167dcc0e03984672584f9770799c2fb8>
>>
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> We did not get to go to ice fields up that way. The tour company
> substituted a very nice local trip with lunch. Otherwise all went off as
> scheduled. We had a great time. The train trip was the highlight. If you
> go choose the Gold level.
>

Glad to hear that you’re safe & relatively unaffected.

We had found Jasper to be a cute town; seems apparently that the main drag
has been wiped out, which is a loss. Ice fields up that way were
okay…didn’t leave a huge impression on us, since we’ve been to a few others
prior…”ice is ice” to a certain degree :-)

For trains, was on one today (two, actually) to go to visit an Edgar Degas
special exhibit. Learned that with one exception, all of his bronzes were
made posthumously, as they were his private working pieces made only for
developing his own paintings in his studio.

-hh

Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
From: Alan
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:41 UTC
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Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
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On 2024-07-28 17:02, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 7/24/2024 2:22 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-07-24 11:21, -hh wrote:
>>> Looks like Tom's trip might have some disruptions:
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://apnews.com/article/wildfire-canada-jasper-national-park-evacuation-167dcc0e03984672584f9770799c2fb8>
>>
>> Based on his political leanings, I'm sure Tom doesn't believe in
>> global warming.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>
> Global warming has been going on for a very long time. The data are
> irrefutable.

Love the careful phrasing there...

Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
From: Alan
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Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
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On 2024-07-29 10:28, -hh wrote:
> Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/24/2024 2:21 PM, -hh wrote:
>>> Looks like Tom's trip might have some disruptions:
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://apnews.com/article/wildfire-canada-jasper-national-park-evacuation-167dcc0e03984672584f9770799c2fb8>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -hh
>>
>> We did not get to go to ice fields up that way. The tour company
>> substituted a very nice local trip with lunch. Otherwise all went off as
>> scheduled. We had a great time. The train trip was the highlight. If you
>> go choose the Gold level.
>>
>
> Glad to hear that you’re safe & relatively unaffected.
>
> We had found Jasper to be a cute town; seems apparently that the main drag
> has been wiped out, which is a loss. Ice fields up that way were
> okay…didn’t leave a huge impression on us, since we’ve been to a few others
> prior…”ice is ice” to a certain degree :-)

Yeah.. ...our Dad took us to see most of the sights from Jasper down to
Banff, and the ice fields were kind of cool...

....once.

>
> For trains, was on one today (two, actually) to go to visit an Edgar Degas
> special exhibit. Learned that with one exception, all of his bronzes were
> made posthumously, as they were his private working pieces made only for
> developing his own paintings in his studio.

Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
From: Tom Elam
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 02:42 UTC
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On 7/29/2024 4:41 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-07-28 17:02, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 7/24/2024 2:22 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-24 11:21, -hh wrote:
>>>> Looks like Tom's trip might have some disruptions:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://apnews.com/article/wildfire-canada-jasper-national-park-evacuation-167dcc0e03984672584f9770799c2fb8>
>>>
>>> Based on his political leanings, I'm sure Tom doesn't believe in
>>> global warming.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>
>> Global warming has been going on for a very long time. The data are
>> irrefutable.
>
> Love the careful phrasing there...
>

Nothing careful, empirical data going back hundreds of millions of years
show that climate warms after cold ice ages. In the past natural events
like the Siberian Traps have had warming effects far more severe than
the current recovery from the last ice ages. OTOH "Snowball Earth" +-600
ma also had a devastating effect on life. The earth warmed and life
recovered.

There is absolutely no doubt that atmospheric composition plays a role
in climate.

Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
From: Tom Elam
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Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
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On 7/29/2024 4:42 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-07-29 10:28, -hh wrote:
>> Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 7/24/2024 2:21 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>> Looks like Tom's trip might have some disruptions:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://apnews.com/article/wildfire-canada-jasper-national-park-evacuation-167dcc0e03984672584f9770799c2fb8>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> We did not get to go to ice fields up that way. The tour company
>>> substituted a very nice local trip with lunch. Otherwise all went off as
>>> scheduled. We had a great time. The train trip was the highlight. If you
>>> go choose the Gold level.
>>>
>>
>> Glad to hear that you’re safe & relatively unaffected.
>>
>> We had found Jasper to be a cute town; seems apparently that the main
>> drag
>> has been wiped out, which is a loss.  Ice fields up that way were
>> okay…didn’t leave a huge impression on us, since we’ve been to a few
>> others
>> prior…”ice is ice” to a certain degree :-)
>
> Yeah.. ...our Dad took us to see most of the sights from Jasper down to
> Banff, and the ice fields were kind of cool...
>
> ...once.
>
>>
>> For trains, was on one today (two, actually) to go to visit an Edgar
>> Degas
>> special exhibit. Learned that with one exception, all of his bronzes were
>> made posthumously, as they were his private working pieces made only for
>> developing his own paintings in his studio.

The whole trip for us was kinda cool, once. The eagles along the rivers
were no different from our eagles along our rivers. However, the lower
tree line in the Canadian mountains makes them more spectacular than the
U.S. version.

We are really paying a price for disrupting the natural fire cycle. In
1983 I was out in Yellowstone for the first time. Observing the 100+
years of dead-fall lodgepole pine littering the forest floors it was
obvious to me that if a fire ever got really going there would be no
stopping it. In 1988 36% of the park burned. It was not stopped until
autumn weather brought rain and snow. I was back 2 years ago and it is
amazing how fast some areas have recovered.

Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
From: Alan
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On 2024-07-29 19:42, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 7/29/2024 4:41 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-07-28 17:02, Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 7/24/2024 2:22 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-24 11:21, -hh wrote:
>>>>> Looks like Tom's trip might have some disruptions:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://apnews.com/article/wildfire-canada-jasper-national-park-evacuation-167dcc0e03984672584f9770799c2fb8>
>>>>
>>>> Based on his political leanings, I'm sure Tom doesn't believe in
>>>> global warming.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Global warming has been going on for a very long time. The data are
>>> irrefutable.
>>
>> Love the careful phrasing there...
>>
>
> Nothing careful, empirical data going back hundreds of millions of years
> show that climate warms after cold ice ages. In the past natural events
> like the Siberian Traps have had warming effects far more severe than
> the current recovery from the last ice ages. OTOH "Snowball Earth" +-600
> ma also had a devastating effect on life. The earth warmed and life
> recovered.
>
> There is absolutely no doubt that atmospheric composition plays a role
> in climate.

More careful phrasing.

Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
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Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-07-29 19:42, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 7/29/2024 4:41 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-28 17:02, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 7/24/2024 2:22 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-24 11:21, -hh wrote:
>>>>>> Looks like Tom's trip might have some disruptions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://apnews.com/article/wildfire-canada-jasper-national-park-evacuation-167dcc0e03984672584f9770799c2fb8>
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on his political leanings, I'm sure Tom doesn't believe in
>>>>> global warming.
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Global warming has been going on for a very long time. The data are
>>>> irrefutable.
>>>
>>> Love the careful phrasing there...
>>>
>>
>> Nothing careful, empirical data going back hundreds of millions of years
>> show that climate warms after cold ice ages. In the past natural events
>> like the Siberian Traps have had warming effects far more severe than
>> the current recovery from the last ice ages. OTOH "Snowball Earth" +-600
>> ma also had a devastating effect on life. The earth warmed and life
>> recovered.
>>
>> There is absolutely no doubt that atmospheric composition plays a role
>> in climate.
>
> More careful phrasing.
>

Indeed. There’s carefully nothing in there to note what role is played by
changes in the rate of change.

A lot of this is like the automotive mantra of “speed kills” .. it’s not
the speed per se, but the sudden stop at the end = rate of change.

-hh

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Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote at 00:06 this Monday (GMT):
> On 7/24/2024 2:21 PM, -hh wrote:
>> Looks like Tom's trip might have some disruptions:
>>
>>
>> <https://apnews.com/article/wildfire-canada-jasper-national-park-evacuation-167dcc0e03984672584f9770799c2fb8>
>>
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> We did not get to go to ice fields up that way. The tour company
> substituted a very nice local trip with lunch. Otherwise all went off as
> scheduled. We had a great time. The train trip was the highlight. If you
> go choose the Gold level.

Stay safe!
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