On 2024-06-18 07:42, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 6/6/2024 10:13 PM, Andrew wrote:
>> badgolferman wrote on Fri, 7 Jun 2024 00:58:03 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>>>> Apple has the worst (by far) bugfix support in the entire industry.
>>>>
>>>>   *Apple promises at least 5 years of iPhone security updates, but
>>>> Samsung and Google offer longer support for Android updates*
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.idownloadblog.com/2024/06/06/apple-iphone-updates-support-timeframe-united-kingdom/>
>>>>
>>>> Nobody on the adult phone newsgroups will be shocked, but since the
>>>> child-like phone newsgroups never believe facts, lots of references are
>>>> included below because they always say they hate any given authors.
>>>>
>>>> Also note that Google updates over two dozen core modules every
>>>> month for
>>>> the billions of Android 10+ phones that are on the Internet - which
>>>> has no
>>>> end of life stated - so we can assume (for now) that will happen
>>>> forever.
>>>>    "Google System updates are fully automated. Originally referred to
>>>>     as Project Mainline, these monthly updates fix bugs discovered in
>>>>     various core OS components like device connectivity, location
>>>> services,
>>>>     media services, Emergency alerts, and others."
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, Apple has never fully supported more than a single release.
>>>>
>>>> <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
>>>>
>>>> Apple's iOS monolith didn't even have the concept of a "hotfix"
>>>> until recently.
>>>>   <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>
>>>>
>>>> Which is partly why Apple iPhones are the most exploited in history.
>>>>   <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
>>>>
>>>> The other reason Apple devices have twice the zero day holes is Apple's
>>>> hotfix support is actually the worst (by far) in the entire industry.
>>>>   <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
>>>>
>>>> <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
>>>>
>>>> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
>>>>
>>>> And, more to the point of the news reported today, Apple will only
>>>> commit
>>>> to "at least" five years of full support for any of their iPhone
>>>> models.
>>>>   *Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
>>>>          *and it's less than Samsung and Google*
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>
>>>>
>>>> And, get this: Apple only did so because the UK forced them to do it!
>>>>   *Apple Commits to at Least Five Years of iPhone Security Updates*
>>>>   "Apple has revealed its commitment to a minimum of five years of
>>>>    iPhone security software updates from the date a device is
>>>>    launched, thanks to a new legal requirement in the United Kingdom"
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.macrumors.com/2024/06/06/apple-iphone-security-updates-five-year-minimum/>
>>>>
>>>> Further references below because the Apple religious zealots always
>>>> say they don't like any particular author of every fact they hate.
>>>>   *Apple will provide a minimum of five years of iPhone security
>>>> updates*
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/6/24172843/apple-iphone-minimum-five-years-security-updates>
>>>>
>>>>   *Apple Reveals Its iPhone Gets at Least 5 Years of Security Updates*
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/apple-reveals-its-iphone-gets-at-least-five-years-of-security-updates/>
>>>>
>>>>   *Apple commits to 5 years of security updates for the iPhone, but
>>>> that's not the whole story*
>>>>   <https://mashable.com/article/apple-iphone-security-updates-5-years>
>>>>
>>>>   *Apple says your new iPhone will get at least five years of
>>>> security updates*
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.imore.com/iphone/apple-says-your-new-iphone-will-get-at-least-five-years-of-security-updates-but-history-suggests-itll-be-significantly-longer>
>>>>
>>>>   *Apple commits to minimum of five years of iPhone security
>>>> software updates from the date a device is launched
>>>>
>>>> <https://appleworld.today/apple-commits-to-minimum-of-five-years-of-iphone-security-software-updates-from-the-date-a-device-is-launched/>
>>>>
>>>> While the Apple religious zealots will hope to dear God that Apple
>>>> will fully support their devices longer than that, Apple still only
>>>> fully supports a single release - such that here's are reasons iPhones
>>>> always have more zero day holes and there are reasons why the iPhone
>>>> is (and always was!) the most actively exploited phone in history.
>>>>   *End of Life? End of Support? End of Security Updates?*
>>>>   <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8415153>
>>>>
>>>> Apple never advertises it has the worst hotfix support in the industry.
>>>
>>>
>>> In your opinion what is a reasonable amount of time for a
>>> manufacturer to
>>> support a device's hardware and software? When should they divert those
>>> resources of money, time, engineers, research to newer devices? 5, 7,
>>> 10,
>>> 20 years?
>>
>> How long has Microsoft supported PCs which are currently on Win 10/11?
>>
>> It's clear that Apple has the worst hotfix support in the industry while
>> Microsoft has the best - where we're talking full & complete bugfixes.
>>
>> For every single bug that the companies are aware of for all the devices.
>> Apple promises (at least) five years only (and only one release at a
>> time).
>> Samsung/Google promise (at least) seven years (and seven releases at a
>> time).
>>
>> But check out Microsoft support for the best in the entire industry!
>> Microsoft supported many hardware configurations for almost two decades.
>>
>> Windows 10 shipped July 29, 2015 and it allowed for a free upgrade to
>> Windows 11 for all PC hardware that met H/W requirements, so that's
>> currently about 9 years plus another 10 years or so for Windows 11.
>>
>> Even if your PC H/W couldn't handle Windows 11, Windows 10 was a free
>> upgrade from Windows 7 and 8.1 users where Windows 7 released on July 22,
>> 2009 and became generally available on October 22, 2009 while Windows 8.1
>> was released to OEM hardware partners on August 27, 2013, and released
>> publicly as a free upgrade through Windows Store on October 17, 2013.
>>
>> With Windows 10 slated to end it's monthly hotfix support on October 14,
>> 2025, older PCs (that might not run Windows 11) had enjoyed more than 15
>> years of full support for all bugs that Microsoft was aware of.
>>
>> It's harder to say how long more capable hardware that can be upgraded to
>> Windows 11 will be but fifteen or maybe even twenty years seems like a
>> reasonable time period given the history of Microsoft's full support.
>>
>> Mind you, this is full hotfix support for all bugs Microsoft is aware of.
>> And full hotfix support for all bugs Apple, Google & Samsung are aware
>> of.
>
> Are you aware than as of next year Windows 10, the majority of Windows
> currently out there, will, according to Microsoft, no longer receive
> free security updates?

Arlen is aware of even less than you are, Liarboy.

candycanearter07 wrote on Tue, 18 Jun 2024 06:30:02 -0000 (UTC) :

>> Apple's AI Lead Explains Why Apple Intelligence Is Exclusive to iPhone 15 Pro
>> https://www.ign.com/articles/apples-ai-lead-explains-why-apple-intelligence-is-exclusive-to-iphone-15-pro
>>
>> Apple's new AI system is locked to iPhone 15 Pros and the M-series iPads and Macs.
>
> I wasn't going to use it anyways.

There's merit to talking to and listening to large language model output.

But Apple's advertising is (brilliantly) deceptive when you check out the
caveats (just as Apple's brilliantly advertised messaging doesn't really
work in the real world, nor does Apple's brilliantly marketed HEIC, etc.).

Apple is all (brilliant) marketing; but nothing works in the real world.

The main reason for reporting it here is the Apple religious zealots will
believe Apple's (rather brilliant) marketing that "iOS 18 will have AI".

But the fact is you have to buy a new iPhone or iPad, and even then, it has
to be a specific iPhone and a specific set of iPads that will have it.

Worse, if you try to use https://gemini.google.com in an iPad Chrome
browser, in my experience, the microphone won't set (but that may be just a
bug).

Worse still, if you try to use the Apple chatGPT app, it will make you jump
through hoops for it to listen and even more hoops for it to speak out the
results, and even after all that, you're restricted unless you buy a PLUS
account.

While most of the Apple uneducated religious zealots will believe that you
can talk to and listen to output from Apple's chat AI products, you can't
if you're not on the iOS 18 iPhone 15 Pro and/or the Apple M-series iPads.

https://www.plantalibre.mx/en/8jfkdjaa116979Pdfac1d42/
Vulnerability of Apple Location Services - troop movements can be tracked

A key component of Apple Location Services contains a so-called
high-severity privacy vulnerability that could allow troop movements to be
tracked.

The issue could also allow an attacker to track the location of anyone
using a mobile Wi-Fi router, such as those in RVs and travel routers
sometimes used by business travelers.

Both Apple and Google maintain their own WPS databases and the method they
use is essentially the same. Detect nearby BSSIDs, measure the strength of
each signal, then compare this data to the WPS database to find out where
the mobile device is located.

However, there is one crucial difference between the way Apple and Google
devices perform this task - and that's where the privacy problem arises.

Researchers at the University of Maryland found that Apple devices take a
different approach than every other location service does by using
on-device location tracking.

On-device processing is one of Apple's trademarks and sounds more secure
only when advertised in slick ads, but this is where the problem arises.

The researchers said that by geofencing regions indexed by Apple's location
API, they could track how Wi-Fi access points moved over time. Why could
that be a big problem? They found that by geofencing active conflict areas
in Ukraine, they could determine the location and movement of Starlink
devices used by both Ukrainian and Russian military forces.

On 30.05.24 23:30, Mickey D wrote:
> https://www.plantalibre.mx/en/8jfkdjaa116979Pdfac1d42/
> Vulnerability of Apple Location Services - troop movements can be tracked.

Very old news.

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On 2024-05-30, Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> wrote:
>
> [a bunch of pearl-clutching nonsense from someone who doesn't
> understand that all WiFi access points broadcast their SSIDs and
> BSSIDs to the world]

Poor, little ignorant Arlen thinks he's latched onto a huge "gotcha",
when it's really just a big nothing burger yet again. *YAWN*

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On 2024-06-07 21:37, Your Name wrote:
> On 2024-06-07 22:01:30 +0000, Alan Browne said:

>> Sometimes it will go the whole night w/o waking more than once or twice.
>> (In the "daytime" that log hits 1/hour on the hour as designed).
>
> There are all sorts of things MacOS does behind-the-scenes during "idle"
> times, Spotlight indexing, Time Machine, update checking, malware
> checking, etc. being just a few examples. Sleep mode doesn't stop all
> those things happening. Other apps running will also have things the do.

I'd just as soon it kept quiet all night.

>
> The simple solution, as someone else said, is to just shut the computer
> down when you're not using it - there's zero reason for it to be running
> 24-7, unless it's an internet server that others need to access while
> you're asleep.

I leave it up for weeks - but of course it is asleep for good periods of
that.

Longest was on the order of 3 months before I was forced to re-boot for
some reason. This new Apple Si. Mac hasn't made it more than 4 weeks
w/o there being some good reason to re-boot it.

The old i7 iMac (2012) has been up since a power failure a couple months
ago w/o issue. But it's on lighter duty these days.

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On Jun 9, 2024 at 2:21:56 PM PDT, "Amanda Ripanykhazov"
<licensedtoquil@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have this old computer as a living room backup. It wasn't started for
> a while and then started booting to a shut down when just past the
> halfway mark on the blue ribbon progress bar. First aid wouldn't
> complete its verification and nor would fsck in single user mode.
>
> Eventually I managed to get FSCK -Rc to repair a huge number of clusters
> (?) and now the whole drive appears to be completely empty in DU
>
> But First Aid runs fine.
>
> I dont remember what OS was on it (it may have been Mojave) but trying
> to reinstall seems to want to run El Capitain.
>
> Whatever it was, I can't re-install anything. At first it says drive
> locked and then it wants to do a fresh install of El Capitain.
>
> What is the best way of getting answer to the question of what is on the
> drive or if DU says NOTHING, is that the only answer? I'd like to look
> to see if there were any photos or videos on this computer which I
> haven't got on any backup drive before I format and re-install

Sounds like a dead or dying hard drive.

Install a new disk into the machine and reinstall MacOS from the network
(command-R from boot).
Attach the old drive to the system with a USB cable. Amazon sells ones from
Sabrent but there are others.
When the new install asks if you want to migrate from another machine, select
the old drive as the source OR use your latest Time Machine Backup.

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On 2024-06-10 09:40, Amanda Ripanykhazov wrote:
> On 6/9/24 7:40 PM, Percival John Hackworth wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a dead or dying hard drive.
>>
>> Install a new disk into the machine and reinstall MacOS from the network
>> (command-R from boot).
>> Attach the old drive to the system with a USB cable. Amazon sells ones
>> from
>> Sabrent but there are others.
>> When the new install asks if you want to migrate from another machine,
>> select
>> the old drive as the source OR use your latest Time Machine Backup.
>>
> Thanks guys! I kinda knew that was the position, - I was just hoping
> that I might have overlooked some option for reading what was on the
> drive.  But short of re-building whatever the Master Boot Record is
> called on a Mac, I do accept that this is unlikely.
>
> I'm pretty sure this is just a backup computer and whatever is on it is
> somewhere else as well so it just isnt worthwhile spending too much time
> getting it working.
>
> I also agree that this whole situation only arises because the drive is
> on it's way out and the computer urgently needs throwing away,  rather
> than wasting time pulling it apart to put a new HD in it

What year is the computer? That it wants to "El Capitan" suggests 2015
which (to me) is not an old computer. Core 2 Duo suggest closer to 2010
if not older...

It could be (with a new drive and install) a great starter Mac for
someone out there with modest computing needs.

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On 2024-06-10, Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> wrote:
>
> Coming with the new iOS and Mac OS' this fall, from the Mac you can
> access your iPhone (say in another room) to pretty much full
> functionality. The iPhone itself stays locked.

I've been waiting for them to roll this out along with the ability to
control other people's iPhone/iPad screens remotely!

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On 2024-06-10 15:13, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-06-10, Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> wrote:
>>
>> Apple announce their AI as "Apple Intelligence" with the emphasis on
>> _personal_ and _private_.
>>
>> Integrated of course across Apple apps. (... and 3rd party via App
>> Intents API).
>>
>> Strong "action" oriented commands.
>>
>> AI will be on device for most processes.
>>
>> Private Cloud Compute for loads that can't be done on device - using
>> Apple Silicon based servers. No storage of your data.
>> Independent 3rd party source code verification.
>>
>> Siri to get AI - and boy does she need it. (Recent use has come up with
>> a lot of flaws). Also remembers the recent context in Siri as well as
>> your cross app context over time.
>>
>> Writing tools for various apps to rewrite messages (such as a mail
>> message) in different ways. Grammar checking, tone, etc. Auto TL;DR
>> summary generator, etc. and so on.
>>
>> Reading tools to summarize incoming e-mails with relevant content.
>>
>> Emoji generator (text what you want, it gens an "emoji" like
>> illustration. (silly fun).
>
> Bring it! The way they describe the architecture and the demonstrations
> all look very promising!

Indeed.

>
>> ChatGPT 4o integration w/o an account. If you have a ChatGPT account,
>> then "paywall" features will be accessible as well...
>>
>> (As soon as the Keynote mentioned ChatGPT - Apple stock shot up).
>
> I can do without the ChatGPT stuff. Much more interested in Apple's own
> private curated AI capabilities.

As I understand it - the "Apple side" is all personal/private
information relationships and the ChatGPT side is to bring in outside
information. If you think of it in terms of fusing the two, then things
get quite powerful.

I've been using ChatGPT 2 sporadically over the last couple years and it
is very good (as long as you check it). 4 / 4o should bring a hell of a
lot more - even w/o the paywall version.

I'm not ChatGPT shy or averse - the more tools (and entertainment) I get
the better.

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On 2024-06-10 18:44:43 +0000, Alan Browne said:

> Apple announce their AI as "Apple Intelligence" with the emphasis on
> _personal_ and _private_.
>
> Integrated of course across Apple apps. (... and 3rd party via App
> Intents API).
>
> Strong "action" oriented commands.
>
> AI will be on device for most processes.
>
> Private Cloud Compute for loads that can't be done on device - using
> Apple Silicon based servers. No storage of your data.
> Independent 3rd party source code verification.
>
> Siri to get AI - and boy does she need it. (Recent use has come up
> with a lot of flaws). Also remembers the recent context in Siri as
> well as your cross app context over time.
>
> Writing tools for various apps to rewrite messages (such as a mail
> message) in different ways. Grammar checking, tone, etc. Auto TL;DR
> summary generator, etc. and so on.
>
> Reading tools to summarize incoming e-mails with relevant content.
>
> Emoji generator (text what you want, it gens an "emoji" like
> illustration. (silly fun).
>
> ChatGPT 4o integration w/o an account. If you have a ChatGPT account,
> then "paywall" features will be accessible as well...
>
> (As soon as the Keynote mentioned ChatGPT - Apple stock shot up).
>
> Looking forward it. Need devices compatible with the latest OS' of course.
>
> Ref: WWDC - 2024 - Keynote (YouTube).

And *nobody* even knows why or what they would want the useless crap
actually for ... the geek brigade just want it so big tech is happy to
add it to everything and charge you more for doing it. :-\

Yet more pointless gimmick "features" added while still not fixing all
the annoying bugs.

On 2024-06-10 21:10:58 +0000, Alan Browne said:
> On 2024-06-10 16:55, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2024-06-10 18:44:43 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>>>
>>> Apple announce their AI as "Apple Intelligence" with the emphasis on
>>> _personal_ and _private_.
>>>
>>> Integrated of course across Apple apps.  (... and 3rd party via App
>>> Intents API).
>>>
>>> Strong "action" oriented commands.
>>>
>>> AI will be on device for most processes.
>>>
>>> Private Cloud Compute for loads that can't be done on device - using
>>> Apple Silicon based servers.  No storage of your data.
>>> Independent 3rd party source code verification.
>>>
>>> Siri to get AI - and boy does she need it.  (Recent use has come up
>>> with a lot of flaws).  Also remembers the recent context in Siri as
>>> well as your cross app context over time.
>>>
>>> Writing tools for various apps to rewrite messages (such as a mail
>>> message) in different ways.  Grammar checking, tone, etc.  Auto TL;DR
>>> summary generator, etc. and so on.
>>>
>>> Reading tools to summarize incoming e-mails with relevant content.
>>>
>>> Emoji generator (text what you want, it gens an "emoji" like
>>> illustration.  (silly fun).
>>>
>>> ChatGPT 4o integration w/o an account.  If you have a ChatGPT account,
>>> then "paywall" features will be accessible as well...
>>>
>>> (As soon as the Keynote mentioned ChatGPT - Apple stock shot up).
>>>
>>> Looking forward it.  Need devices compatible with the latest OS' of course.
>>>
>>> Ref: WWDC - 2024 - Keynote (YouTube).
>>
>> And *nobody* even knows why or what they would want the useless crap
>> actually for ... the geek brigade just want it so big tech is happy to
>> add it to everything and charge you more for doing it.  :-\
>>
>> Yet more pointless gimmick "features" added while still not fixing all
>> the annoying bugs.
>
> I recently read the Ken Follett book, "The Armour of Light" and it
> mentioned the Luddite uprising against industrialization.
>
> You were first to come to mind!

"Nobody" was an intended exaggeration. The point being that 95%+ of
people do not know nor care what AI is, and they will never knowingly
use it nor want to use it.

Apple needs to concentrate on the usability and fixing the existing
annoying bugs (some of which have been there since OS X first created!)
rather than continually adding gimmicks that only a tiny niche number
of users will ever know about or use. :-\

On 2024-06-10, Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> wrote:
> On 2024-06-10 15:18, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2024-06-10, Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Coming with the new iOS and Mac OS' this fall, from the Mac you can
>>> access your iPhone (say in another room) to pretty much full
>>> functionality. The iPhone itself stays locked.
>>
>> I've been waiting for them to roll this out along with the ability to
>> control other people's iPhone/iPad screens remotely!
>
> I'd be happy just to be able to control my iPhone when it's in another
> room.

I do a lot of remote tech support, so the latter will come in really
handy as well.

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On 2024-06-11 02:33:46 +0000, super70s said:
> On 2024-06-08 01:37:35 +0000, Your Name said:
>
>> On 2024-06-07 22:01:30 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>>
>>> On 2024-06-06 20:35, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>> When I put my Mac to sleep for the night, all the external hard drives
>>>> spin up for a few minutes around once an hour or so which is irritating
>>>> me. The screen does not wake up. I was wondering if anyone had any
>>>> suggestions for how to prevent this.
>>>>
>>>> I'm running a 2020 Retina 5K iMac under macOS 12.6.7. In my Energy
>>>> Saver System Preferences, both 'enable power nap' and 'wake for network
>>>> access' are UNchecked. 'put hard disks to sleep when possible' is
>>>> checked.
>>>
>>> I wrote a program to (amongst other things) keep my external spinning
>>> disks awake during the day and then late in the evening it stops that
>>> until morning. Alas, something deep in the OS doesn't play fair.
>>> The program should be (like the Mac) not logging anything through the night.
>>>
>>> Recent log:
>>> 06-05::23:03:41 Stopped Keep Disk Awake Threads.
>>> 06-06::01:50 Cur Mem: 11264 Max Mem: 11264 1.000 MBi/hr
>>> 06-06::02:47 Cur Mem: 11264 Max Mem: 11264 0.000 MBi/hr
>>> 06-06::03:52 Cur Mem: 11264 Max Mem: 11264 0.000 MBi/hr
>>> 06-06::04:52 Cur Mem: 11264 Max Mem: 11264 0.000 MBi/hr
>>> 06-06::05:49 Cur Mem: 11264 Max Mem: 11264 0.000 MBi/hr
>>> 06-06::06:54 Cur Mem: 11264 Max Mem: 12288 0.000 MBi/hr
>>> 06-06::07:21 Cur Mem: 12288 Max Mem: 12288 1.000 MBi/hr
>>> 06-06::08:06:31 Started Keep Disk Awake Threads.
>>>
>>> Sometimes it will go the whole night w/o waking more than once or twice.
>>> (In the "daytime" that log hits 1/hour on the hour as designed).
>>
>> There are all sorts of things MacOS does behind-the-scenes during
>> "idle" times, Spotlight indexing, Time Machine, update checking,
>> malware checking, etc. being just a few examples. Sleep mode doesn't
>> stop all those things happening. Other apps running will also have
>> things the do.
>
> I would suspect Time Machine is the culprit. I don't use it myself -- I
> just keep the system backed up on a Samsung flash drive because I don't
> really need up-to-the-minute backup -- but I realize a lot of people do.
>
> I normally just sleep the computer and never have a noise problem like
> the OP described.
>
> However, on my Ye Olde system on an old G3 MDD I did try sleeping it
> all the time and I did notice noise like that, so I just went back to
> keeping it turned off all the time.

I've never bothered with Time Machine either. It's methodology seems to
be a ridiculous waste of drive space backing up mutiple versions of the
same document. I don't use Versions either and always delete the old
ones if using an app like Pages that insists on doing that silliness.

I use CarbonCopyCloner to backup manually when I want to. The only
problem with it it that it is quite slow at working out what to copy.
If I've only changed a few documents, it still takes nearly an hour to
trawl through the entire drive before copying just those few altered /
new files. There was also a problem at one stage where it would hang
during that phase of working out what to copy and eventually stop with
an error, but updating to a slightly newer version seems to have fixed
that.

>> The simple solution, as someone else said, is to just shut the computer
>> down when you're not using it - there's zero reason for it to be
>> running 24-7, unless it's an internet server that others need to access
>> while you're asleep.

On 2024-06-10 20:35, Your Name wrote:
> On 2024-06-10 21:10:58 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>> On 2024-06-10 16:55, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-10 18:44:43 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>>>>
>>>> Apple announce their AI as "Apple Intelligence" with the emphasis on
>>>> _personal_ and _private_.
>>>>
>>>> Integrated of course across Apple apps.  (... and 3rd party via App
>>>> Intents API).
>>>>
>>>> Strong "action" oriented commands.
>>>>
>>>> AI will be on device for most processes.
>>>>
>>>> Private Cloud Compute for loads that can't be done on device - using
>>>> Apple Silicon based servers.  No storage of your data.
>>>> Independent 3rd party source code verification.
>>>>
>>>> Siri to get AI - and boy does she need it.  (Recent use has come up
>>>> with a lot of flaws).  Also remembers the recent context in Siri as
>>>> well as your cross app context over time.
>>>>
>>>> Writing tools for various apps to rewrite messages (such as a mail
>>>> message) in different ways.  Grammar checking, tone, etc.  Auto
>>>> TL;DR summary generator, etc. and so on.
>>>>
>>>> Reading tools to summarize incoming e-mails with relevant content.
>>>>
>>>> Emoji generator (text what you want, it gens an "emoji" like
>>>> illustration.  (silly fun).
>>>>
>>>> ChatGPT 4o integration w/o an account.  If you have a ChatGPT
>>>> account, then "paywall" features will be accessible as well...
>>>>
>>>> (As soon as the Keynote mentioned ChatGPT - Apple stock shot up).
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward it.  Need devices compatible with the latest OS' of
>>>> course.
>>>>
>>>> Ref: WWDC - 2024 - Keynote (YouTube).
>>>
>>> And *nobody* even knows why or what they would want the useless crap
>>> actually for ... the geek brigade just want it so big tech is happy
>>> to add it to everything and charge you more for doing it.  :-\
>>>
>>> Yet more pointless gimmick "features" added while still not fixing
>>> all the annoying bugs.
>>
>> I recently read the Ken Follett book, "The Armour of Light" and it
>> mentioned the Luddite uprising against industrialization.
>>
>> You were first to come to mind!
>
> "Nobody" was an intended exaggeration. The point being that 95%+ of
> people do not know nor care what AI is, and they will never knowingly
> use it nor want to use it.

99.9% of people will be using it without really "knowing" it. It will
be deeply embedded into the user experience.

Just Siri remaining in context for follow up queries or instructions
will be a huge leap. (Goldfish memory days will end...)

>
> Apple needs to concentrate on the usability and fixing the existing
> annoying bugs (some of which have been there since OS X first created!)
> rather than continually adding gimmicks that only a tiny niche number of
> users will ever know about or use.  :-\

Agree Apple need to fix things - indeed stop breaking things that worked
fine but they tend to dumb down or make needlessly obfuscated (Settings
in Mac OS).

But adding features is where they have to go to keep relevant and
abreast of the competition if not passing it.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

On 2024-06-11 12:09:40 +0000, Alan Browne said:
> On 2024-06-10 20:35, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2024-06-10 21:10:58 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>>> On 2024-06-10 16:55, Your Name wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-10 18:44:43 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple announce their AI as "Apple Intelligence" with the emphasis on
>>>>> _personal_ and _private_.
>>>>>
>>>>> Integrated of course across Apple apps.  (... and 3rd party via App
>>>>> Intents API).
>>>>>
>>>>> Strong "action" oriented commands.
>>>>>
>>>>> AI will be on device for most processes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Private Cloud Compute for loads that can't be done on device - using
>>>>> Apple Silicon based servers.  No storage of your data.
>>>>> Independent 3rd party source code verification.
>>>>>
>>>>> Siri to get AI - and boy does she need it.  (Recent use has come up
>>>>> with a lot of flaws).  Also remembers the recent context in Siri as
>>>>> well as your cross app context over time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Writing tools for various apps to rewrite messages (such as a mail
>>>>> message) in different ways.  Grammar checking, tone, etc.  Auto TL;DR
>>>>> summary generator, etc. and so on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Reading tools to summarize incoming e-mails with relevant content.
>>>>>
>>>>> Emoji generator (text what you want, it gens an "emoji" like
>>>>> illustration.  (silly fun).
>>>>>
>>>>> ChatGPT 4o integration w/o an account.  If you have a ChatGPT account,
>>>>> then "paywall" features will be accessible as well...
>>>>>
>>>>> (As soon as the Keynote mentioned ChatGPT - Apple stock shot up).
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking forward it.  Need devices compatible with the latest OS' of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ref: WWDC - 2024 - Keynote (YouTube).
>>>>
>>>> And *nobody* even knows why or what they would want the useless crap
>>>> actually for ... the geek brigade just want it so big tech is happy to
>>>> add it to everything and charge you more for doing it.  :-\
>>>>
>>>> Yet more pointless gimmick "features" added while still not fixing all
>>>> the annoying bugs.
>>>
>>> I recently read the Ken Follett book, "The Armour of Light" and it
>>> mentioned the Luddite uprising against industrialization.
>>>
>>> You were first to come to mind!
>>
>> "Nobody" was an intended exaggeration. The point being that 95%+ of
>> people do not know nor care what AI is, and they will never knowingly
>> use it nor want to use it.
>
> 99.9% of people will be using it without really "knowing" it. It will
> be deeply embedded into the user experience.
>
> Just Siri remaining in context for follow up queries or instructions
> will be a huge leap. (Goldfish memory days will end...)
>
>>
>> Apple needs to concentrate on the usability and fixing the existing
>> annoying bugs (some of which have been there since OS X first created!)
>> rather than continually adding gimmicks that only a tiny niche number
>> of users will ever know about or use.  :-\
>
> Agree Apple need to fix things - indeed stop breaking things that
> worked fine but they tend to dumb down or make needlessly obfuscated
> (Settings in Mac OS).
>
> But adding features is where they have to go to keep relevant and
> abreast of the competition if not passing it.

AI is not a "feature". It's just another useless bandwagon-jumping
gimmick to sell yet another new phone to stupid people. Thankfully the
silliness can (reportedly) be turned off ... yet something else I need
to include on the growing "turn off" list for on every device I set up
for people. :-(

On 2024-06-11 12:15:44 +0000, Alan Browne said:

> On 2024-06-11 00:48, Your Name wrote:
>
>> I've never bothered with Time Machine either. It's methodology seems to
>> be a ridiculous waste of drive space backing up mutiple versions of the
>> same document. I don't use Versions either and always delete the old
>> ones if using an app like Pages that insists on doing that silliness.
>
> Following the initial backup, succeeding backups are differences only
> (changed files and new files), so it's a very slow accumulation. Once
> the backup volume is near full, oldest redundant backups are removed.

Which, for those who want such a feature, partly defeats the purpose of
copying those old versions in the first place. When they want to
retrieve it, it could well be gone.

>> I use CarbonCopyCloner to backup manually when I want to. The only
>> problem with it it that it is quite slow at working out what to copy.
>> If I've only changed a few documents, it still takes nearly an hour to
>> trawl through the entire drive before copying just those few altered /
>> new files. There was also a problem at one stage where it would hang
>> during that phase of working out what to copy and eventually stop with
>> an error, but updating to a slightly newer version seems to have fixed
>> that.
>
> Time Machine does not have this issue. Note you can install s/w that
> will run TM at a reduced pace (you turn off automatic TM updates and
> let the scheduler s/w invoke TM) - this also addresses your issue above
> to some degree.

For me Time Machine is a useless waste of time. That's why I turn if
off and chose to use CCC instead.

In ye olde days of MacOS 9 and early MacOS X I used a great syncing app
that was very fast, whereas CCC is frustratingly slow at doing what
should be the exact same task. I have no idea if that's due to changes
in the OS or CCC being badly programmed. When CCC started having
hanging issues, I did try another syncing app, but it didn't work at
all and just kept saying there were no files to copy.