Am 30.12.14 13:53, schrieb Tim O:

>
> It'd feel like Adaptive Sync should easily be the next standard... AMD
> already supports it and both Sony & MS had gone with AMD on the
> consoles, but HDMI feels like it has already been embraced over
> Displayport.
>
> Some of the new midrange PC monitors only have HDMI (and a DVI to HDMI
> cable) and no Displayport. I think until both 4k monitors and TV's are
> mainstream, we're going to be in limbo on this.
>
Displayport has currently the upper hand in 4k monitors since almost no
one currently supports hdmi 2.0 which is supposed to bring 4k support to
the masses. HDMI 2.0 can almost not be found anywhere while displayport
2.0 is almost universally available.

Werner

On 12/29/2014 11:30 PM, Werner Punz wrote:

>>>> I remember KVMs with DVIs being so expensive several years ago. Are
>>>> they
>>>> much cheaper now? What about HDMI + USB?
>>>
>>> You could price KVMs by shopping around online. Try Newegg.
>>
>> Still expensive from quick searches on Google's shopping. :(
> Well since DVI is on its way out being replaced by Displayport, they
> probably won´t become cheaper.

Non-Apple devices use DisplayPorts too? I thought it was only with Apple
products?
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 06:44:59 -0800, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

>On 12/29/2014 11:30 PM, Werner Punz wrote:
>
>>>>> I remember KVMs with DVIs being so expensive several years ago. Are
>>>>> they
>>>>> much cheaper now? What about HDMI + USB?
>>>>
>>>> You could price KVMs by shopping around online. Try Newegg.
>>>
>>> Still expensive from quick searches on Google's shopping. :(
>> Well since DVI is on its way out being replaced by Displayport, they
>> probably won´t become cheaper.
>
>Non-Apple devices use DisplayPorts too? I thought it was only with Apple
>products?

I think the largest Apple branded monitor is Thunderbolt.

DisplayPort is becoming the standard. Look at newer video cards to
see where things are going -- more DisplayPorts, DVI just there for
backward compatibility.

On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:36:14 +0100, Werner Punz <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:

>Am 30.12.14 08:27, schrieb Werner Punz:
>> Am 28.12.14 21:08, schrieb Rin Stowleigh:
>>
>>> The one exception to this might be if the VESA standard for adaptive
>>> sync actually ever materializes in a meaningful way and becomes a
>>> standard feature of all monitors. I could see that putting some
>>> downward pressure on prices but I'm not sure I would count on it.
>>>
>> The standard should come out next year, hopefully then new monitors with
>> adaptive sync with more than one input will materialize then. To late
>> for me, however I just bought a new monitor which fits to my needs, but
>> it is not gsync due the the only one input problem.
>>
>> But even if adaptive sync VESA will come out it is questionable if
>> NVidia ever will support it, but support from Intel and ATI should be
>> enough to give this thing a foothold in the market.
>>
>>
>> Werner
>>
>Actually I read up on it, VESA Adaptive Sync is part of the Displayport
>1.2a standard, just optional, ATI already supports it in their cards,
>however monitors which do support it will come out soon, there are none
>yet while there is a handful of g-sync monitors available (3-4 models).
>NVidia is not going to support VESA adaptive sync they want to stay on
>the g-sync route for now.
>
>Werner

The potential problem I see, or perhaps I should say the key
difference is that the standard will require the monitor makers and
the video card vendors to deal with and test compatibility with each
other, meaning a gazillion different possible permutations of cards,
monitors, driver versions, and operating systems all coming from
different sources. Meanwhile for G-Sync, NVidia provides all the
hardware (not the monitor itself but the module which interoperates
with the video card) and the drivers.

AMD/ATI has had all this time and they still haven't been able to
master the art of making their drivers compatibility with games, do we
really want to gamble on them being able to get this right?

Historically Nvidia is much better at pulling this off, and G-Sync is
here now. I think Nvidia is probably making a smart financial move by
not getting caught up in the costly testing and support conundrum
that's going to follow the fumbles we witness as AMD struggles with
all these monitor makers.

And, will these monitor makers be excited about spending lots of money
going after the lesser of the two marketshares? Nvidia makes up the
lionshare of PC gamers these days. AMD has the console market, but I
think most console players would rather play on their TV and are not
really smart or technically savvy enough to understand why they would
need such a technology in the first place, much less buy a new TV for
it.

On 12/30/2014 6:53 AM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:

>>> Well since DVI is on its way out being replaced by Displayport, they
>>> probably won´t become cheaper.
>>
>> Non-Apple devices use DisplayPorts too? I thought it was only with Apple
>> products?
>
> I think the largest Apple branded monitor is Thunderbolt.
>
> DisplayPort is becoming the standard. Look at newer video cards to
> see where things are going -- more DisplayPorts, DVI just there for
> backward compatibility.

Interesting. I have been out of the video hardwares for years since I
use my old stuff. :) I thought the latest stuff would be HDMI!
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Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> writes:

> Non-Apple devices use DisplayPorts too? I thought it was only with
> Apple products?

Hardly but curiously Dell at least went to HDMI and VGA only in their
recent Latitude E6000 business laptops. On the other hand Lenovo went
with mini-DP in the Thinkpads. About 4-5 years both Thinkpads and
Latitudes had displayport in the back. So clearly there's no single
winner yet.

On Thu, 01 Jan 2015 20:31:10 +0100, Werner Punz <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:

>Am 01.01.15 09:57, schrieb Anssi Saari:
>> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> writes:
>>
>>> Non-Apple devices use DisplayPorts too? I thought it was only with
>>> Apple products?
>>
>> Hardly but curiously Dell at least went to HDMI and VGA only in their
>> recent Latitude E6000 business laptops. On the other hand Lenovo went
>> with mini-DP in the Thinkpads. About 4-5 years both Thinkpads and
>> Latitudes had displayport in the back. So clearly there's no single
>> winner yet.
>>
>Well HDMI has one problem Displayport has not, you currently can only
>drive 4k displays with HDMI 2.0 and there is almost no monitor which
>understands HDMI 2.0 (only Samsungs as far as I know) and definitely no
>PC yet. Displayport 1.2 is here and even my old GeForce 660 supports it.
>Hence adding a displayport to a 4k Monitor is a no brainer. What I do
>not understand is the TV vendors, only Panasonic has a TV which has
>displayport enabled, while many of the UHD TV Manufacturers dont even
>support HDMI 2.0 fully yet.
>
>So giving a business notebook a HDMI 1.x only connectors is a bad idea,
>because you can drive 4k displays only up to 30Hz, giving it a VGA port
>- oh well, this connector never seems to die, due to its omnipresence in
>lots of old conference beamers. I would rather see it die today than
>tomorrow, but we probably will see it even when HDMI 1.x and Displayport
>1.x have gone the way of the Dodo. The funny thing is, a dedicated VGA
>port is not even necessary, Apple for instance has Displayport to VGA
>connectors if you really need such a thing.
>
>Either way we will see a side by side of both connectors for the next
>few years with HDMI probably will getting the upper hand slowly in the
>long run due to its strong base in consumer electronics, and then
>probably a repetition of the same situation as we have now a few years
>later when TVs and monitors will move to 8k with Displayport being there
>earlier than HDMI, aka Displayport will support 8k already when the
>consumer electronic vendors will struggle to get their act together
>regarding HDMI 8k support on the back of their own paying customers.
>
>
>Werner

This may be one of those cases where the better option doesn't
necessarily win. HDMI was developed by a coalition of equipment
manufacturers that also happen to be selling the equipment. Its going
to get pushed.

HDMI 2.0 will likely just phase in as 4K content becomes available.
Its just not really there yet. I've just been reading up on
Displayport based on your comments and noticed it doesn't have one of
the nice features already included in HDMI, the ability to control
other connected equipment. I'm already using this feature on my
current setup.

I have a 70" Sharp Aquos TV (not 4k) and a Yamaha receiver in the
living room. Turning the TV on/off also powers the receiver and the TV
remote can control the receiver volume. No dicking around with
programming codes for various types of equipment, the 2 way interface
is built right into the HDMI spec.

Its a little thing I guess, but the reason I'm bringing it up is that
I don't think it matters what Dell or Lenovo are doing because
computers aren't going to be the thing driving the adoption of
Displayport or HDMI, it'll be the 4K TV/DVD market.

What was the last Standard Battle? HDDVD vs. BluRay? Its best to just
wait it out, I think. A year or so will probably tell the tale!

Am 01.01.15 21:51, schrieb Tim O:

> Its a little thing I guess, but the reason I'm bringing it up is that
> I don't think it matters what Dell or Lenovo are doing because
> computers aren't going to be the thing driving the adoption of
> Displayport or HDMI, it'll be the 4K TV/DVD market.
>
> What was the last Standard Battle? HDDVD vs. BluRay? Its best to just
> wait it out, I think. A year or so will probably tell the tale!
>
Well HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 will win out in the long run, just as HDMI 1 did,
there is no doubt about it. Displayport however will stay just as DVI
did, because they simply are faster in adopting higher refresh rates,
adaptive sync etc..., but it will not really make it into consumer
electronics

Am 01.01.15 21:51, schrieb Tim O:

> HDMI 2.0 will likely just phase in as 4K content becomes available.
> Its just not really there yet.

Definitely this will happen sometime 2015, I am waiting for the CES for
the big announcments in this area, the big scam by the tv manufacturers
currently is and was throughout the year 2014 that they sold TVs with
sometimes only one HDMI 2.0 port sometimes even without it, and even
then it was questionable whether it supported HDCP 2.2 which is supposed
to become the copy protection standard for 4k BluRay.

Add to that that the hifi receiver front was even worse with only one
manufacturer having a hdmi 2.0/hdcp 2.2 receiver ready (with exactly one
UHD Port which supported HDCP 2.2) and almost all of them were promoting
UHD on their devices so that early adopters would by it.

So to sum this up the tv/receiver manufacturers simply had not their act
together and tried to hide it as good as it was possible.

Werner