Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 10:24:30 -0400
> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>
>> If ever I see a flaming car on the highway whose driver is unaffected by
>> the fact that he's about to be burned alive, I'll know it's you.
>
> They are most likely driving a petrol car.

Ugh, in my home town on the highway, a truck smashed into a car and everything
erupted in flames, killing IIRC four people. It melted a light-pole
like candle wax.

--
After your lover has gone you will still have PEANUT BUTTER!

On 2024-08-05 10:42 a.m., Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 10:24:30 -0400
> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>
>> If ever I see a flaming car on the highway whose driver is unaffected by
>> the fact that he's about to be burned alive, I'll know it's you.
>
> They are most likely driving a petrol car.

No, people in petrol cars tend to escape their burning cars. EV drivers
see the intense heat as a feature. When their charred corpses are found,
they're usually holding a note that says "would buy one again."

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On 05/08/2024 16:56, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 10:24:30 -0400
>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>
>>> If ever I see a flaming car on the highway whose driver is unaffected by
>>> the fact that he's about to be burned alive, I'll know it's you.
>>
>> They are most likely driving a petrol car.
>
> Ugh, in my home town on the highway, a truck smashed into a car and everything
> erupted in flames, killing IIRC four people. It melted a light-pole
> like candle wax.
>
The thing is minor petrol fires are common - a fuel leak under the
bonnet and a hot exhaust sees to that.
But you can put it out. With water
With EV fires you let it burn out along with the house it's parked in....

--
"If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the
news paper, you are mis-informed."

Mark Twain

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

>
>> No amount of conservation is going to help if population
>> keeps rising as fast as the ruling classes want it to. It's simple
>> math - cut per-capita consumption in half while doubling the population
>> and you're right back where you started.
>>
>> Nuclear might solve our energy problems - in the near term at least -
>> but you still need to find food, water, and living space (Lebensraum?)
>> for the teeming masses.
>
> You can help stop overpopulation by refusing to send any kind of aid to the
> continent of Africa. Most of its inhabitants can barely take care of
> themselves but don't mind multiplying themselves a dozen times. They won't
> take care of their children anyway because that's the White man's
> responsibility, and they will gladly send their offspring to the West to
> force that point.
>

Actually, it has been proven that sending aid to africa only enriches
dictators and does very little to actually help the population. It also
creates an incentive, never to develop their countries themselves.

Africa would be much better off without aid, and thus being forced to
solely rely on business and building up their countries.

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

>> manage to capture the political power (a moslem political party already
>> exists and it is growing) or if the far, far right will eventually manage
>> to capture power. And from there the country will either become moslem, or
>> the far right will do some kind of Hitler play.
>
> I spent the last five years teaching in an area of Montreal where the student
> population is mostly Muslim. Any students who didn't worship the murderous
> pedophile were Moldovan, Latin American or Haitian. Both the Latin American
> and Haitian students felt comfortable going to the school because their
> numbers were large enough that they could always find a buddy. However,
> Whites were very visibly uncomfortable in that school. They kept their heads
> down and their mouths mostly shut because if you weren't going to be attacked
> by the negroes, you were going to be attacked by members of the religion of
> peace. They took a great liking to me because I was their first line of
> defense: the aforementioned communities don't scare me whatsoever so when
> they do something even slightly objectionable, I take pleasure in making
> their lives miserable. I also took great pleasure in showing music videos and
> PG-13 content to my classes, stuff that the Muslims consider "haram." I
> regularly told them very clearly that their religion has zero influence over
> my teaching, that I will not adapt to them whatsoever, that the state doesn't
> require me to adapt and that it is up to them to integrate.

Wow, you are a hero! I am surprised that the school did not kick you out
based on everything I have heard about Jordan Peterson fighting to be
able to address people as he or she. Maybe there are small pockets of
freedom in canada?

Regardless, you should receive some kind of medal for your service to
humanity and rationality!

I've had moslems in my classes, although not in the same numbers as you,
and what I find works, is strict discipline, no bending of the rules,
and treating everyone exactly the same.

The ones who can't take it disappear early, for the benefit of the
class. And the ones who remain actually start to shape up and respect
you as a teacher.

During the times when I had moslems trying to rob me in the street, or
assault me, I utilized the same defense. Not budging a millimeter, and I
am absolutely 100% certain that that is what saved me from any serious
bodily harm in the end.

It was also quite fun to see how confused they were once they found a
white man who didn't back down.

It is also interesting to note that they are herd animals and only
attack when they have superiority in numbers. When they don't they are
soft and meek.

>>> I've worked with these people and taught their kids. They are not here to
>>> integrate; they are here to conquer.
>>
>> Oh yes... conquering and squashing all opposition is at the core of islam.
>> I find it so cute that western woke politicians are not aware of this and
>> believe that islamd can be made into the tame "democratic" ideology. Boy
>> are they wrong!
>
> Like I mentioned above, they expect you to submit to their ideology. Their
> mere presence in my class to them meant that I couldn't play music, that I
> had to refrain from showing a TV show where characters kiss, that I had to
> avoid topics as simple as love. I didn't surrender to it. In fact, I made
> sure to use a desktop background of Polish hussars charging whenever I
> connected my screen to the projector. Those who knew their history should
> have understood that while most of Europe collapsed at the hands of the
> Ottomans, we crushed them and kept on keeping their parasitic asses out of
> the continent for the next decade.

Great idea! I think I shall do the same when teaching this autumn. Do
you have a link? =)

On 2024-08-05 3:23 p.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/08/2024 16:56, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 10:24:30 -0400
>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If ever I see a flaming car on the highway whose driver is
>>>> unaffected by
>>>> the fact that he's about to be burned alive, I'll know it's you.
>>>
>>>     They are most likely driving a petrol car.
>>
>> Ugh, in my home town on the highway, a truck smashed into a car and
>> everything
>> erupted in flames, killing IIRC four people. It melted a light-pole
>> like candle wax.
>>
> The thing is minor petrol fires are common - a fuel leak under the
> bonnet and a hot exhaust sees to that.
> But you can put it out. With water
> With EV fires you let it burn out along with the house it's parked in....

After watching the fire burn your car and house down, the first thing a
Tesla owner usually does is walk toward the charred remains of his loved
ones and whispers "I would buy one again."

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On 2024-08-05 3:24 p.m., D wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>
>>> No amount of conservation is going to help if population
>>> keeps rising as fast as the ruling classes want it to.  It's simple
>>> math - cut per-capita consumption in half while doubling the population
>>> and you're right back where you started.
>>>
>>> Nuclear might solve our energy problems - in the near term at least -
>>> but you still need to find food, water, and living space (Lebensraum?)
>>> for the teeming masses.
>>
>> You can help stop overpopulation by refusing to send any kind of aid
>> to the continent of Africa. Most of its inhabitants can barely take
>> care of themselves but don't mind multiplying themselves a dozen
>> times. They won't take care of their children anyway because that's
>> the White man's responsibility, and they will gladly send their
>> offspring to the West to force that point.
>>
>
> Actually, it has been proven that sending aid to africa only enriches
> dictators and does very little to actually help the population. It also
> creates an incentive, never to develop their countries themselves.
>
> Africa would be much better off without aid, and thus being forced to
> solely rely on business and building up their countries.

I'm in favour of anything that ensures that not one cent of Western
money goes to Africa.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 2024-08-05 8:03 a.m., chrisv wrote:
>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> It's not unusual to see
>>> ten or twenty-year-old gas-powered cars on the road. Meanwhile, your
>>> electric car, once it's ten, becomes completely useless because nobody
>>> will be willing to pay the $10,000 or more to replace the battery in
>>> addition to what it costs just to buy the used car.
>>
>> Good point. I hadn't thought of that.
>>
>> "We're saving the planet now!" Not!
>
> A counterargument can be made in that when a gas-powered car reaches ten
> years of age, it will likely require the replacement of a transmission. If
> you own an Infiniti, as an example, their transmissions are CVT and can't be
> repaired. If yours wasn't maintained properly, it will require a replacement
> which will cost a minimum of around $7k.
>
> However, most cars don't use a CVT and in the case of Toyota and Honda, their
> CVTs can go two decades without requiring any kind of expensive intervention.
> This is never going to be the case with an EV. At ten years, no matter who
> you bought your EV from, that car is likely to be parked in a graveyard until
> it rusts away naturally... which will probably take a while since most cars
> are now using galvanized steel.
>

My father and I (who share a gasoline car, how's that for _real_ green!;)
) have always driven Renault or Volvo and we've had them about 15 years or
so and there never was any transmission problems.

The problems I can think of have been mostly related to the electrical
system (windows, warning lights not shutting off etc.). Once the handbrake
got stuck also. Otherwise, the cars have been a dream to own and drive for
up to 15 years which is the point at which we usually sell them and buy
1-3 year old car.

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
>On 05/08/2024 16:56, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 10:24:30 -0400
>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

What really burns me up is a bunch of yahoos crossposting
non-topical nonsense to a.t.fol.lore.com.uters.

trimmed.

Scott Lurndal wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> On 05/08/2024 16:56, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 10:24:30 -0400
>>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>
> What really burns me up is a bunch of yahoos crossposting
> non-topical nonsense to a.t.fol.lore.com.uters.
>
> trimmed.
>
wouldn't it be nice if the world did what you want

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 05/08/2024 00:53, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> Nuclear might solve our energy problems - in the near term at least -
>> but you still need to find food, water, and living space (Lebensraum?)
>> for the teeming masses.
>
> I have no argument with that. Renewable energy seems to be an attempt to put
> the blame for failure to do that on 'climate change' or 'big oil'
>
> So people die of cold and energy poverty, not of famine disease and war,
> which is the traditional way.
>
> But population will come down, because it *has* to.
>
> Even with nuclear illuminated hydroponic tanks growing soylent green, it is
> going to be hard to feed millennial snowflakes
>
> Water and sewage are crucial issues in many parts of the world.
>
> My thesis has never been that there was no problem, just that energy is not a
> problem, It is entirely solvable. Just not with windmills and sunbeam
> collectors
>

By pure chance (?) I saw this today "Abundant Energy Makes The World
Better" and I think it is a nice talk illustrating how dishonest climate
hysteric reporting is in the mainstream media.

I do not agree with Björn Lomborg about everything, I do not believe
humans are the main driver of climate change, but, the guy proposes
solutions which I can accept as a climate rationalist, instead of the
climate hysterics "go back to medieval times and taxes" strategy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWqv6RH-3WE

Have a look, would be interested in your opinion.

On 2024-08-05 3:34 p.m., D wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>> manage to capture the political power (a moslem political party
>>> already exists and it is growing) or if the far, far right will
>>> eventually manage to capture power. And from there the country will
>>> either become moslem, or the far right will do some kind of Hitler play.
>>
>> I spent the last five years teaching in an area of Montreal where the
>> student population is mostly Muslim. Any students who didn't worship
>> the murderous pedophile were Moldovan, Latin American or Haitian. Both
>> the Latin American and Haitian students felt comfortable going to the
>> school because their numbers were large enough that they could always
>> find a buddy. However, Whites were very visibly uncomfortable in that
>> school. They kept their heads down and their mouths mostly shut
>> because if you weren't going to be attacked by the negroes, you were
>> going to be attacked by members of the religion of peace. They took a
>> great liking to me because I was their first line of defense: the
>> aforementioned communities don't scare me whatsoever so when they do
>> something even slightly objectionable, I take pleasure in making their
>> lives miserable. I also took great pleasure in showing music videos
>> and PG-13 content to my classes, stuff that the Muslims consider
>> "haram." I regularly told them very clearly that their religion has
>> zero influence over my teaching, that I will not adapt to them
>> whatsoever, that the state doesn't require me to adapt and that it is
>> up to them to integrate.
>
> Wow, you are a hero! I am surprised that the school did not kick you out
> based on everything I have heard about Jordan Peterson fighting to be
> able to address people as he or she. Maybe there are small pockets of
> freedom in canada?

Jordan Peterson was in Ontario which has already submitted to the
religion of wokeness. I'm in Quebec. Woke is regularly criticized by
some of the media but for a teacher, it's still risky to go against it.
When I was teaching on the West end of the city to Anglophones, it was
clear that having an opinion contrary to that of the woke was risky.
That's why I returned to teaching Francophones who absolutely despise
anything which might weaken their culture. The French language and
Quebec culture comes first to them, and that's fine by me.

> Regardless, you should receive some kind of medal for your service to
> humanity and rationality!
>
> I've had moslems in my classes, although not in the same numbers as you,
> and what I find works, is strict discipline, no bending of the rules,
> and treating everyone exactly the same.

I am extremely strict with them in the classroom and they seem to
respect that. I routinely had Muslim students I didn't even have
greeting me in the hallways. At the same time, I see it as an attempt
for them to try to get me to weaken my guard. I would rather they think
I'm an unlikable asshole than anything remotely close to a friend.

> The ones who can't take it disappear early, for the benefit of the
> class. And the ones who remain actually start to shape up and respect
> you as a teacher.
>
> During the times when I had moslems trying to rob me in the street, or
> assault me, I utilized the same defense. Not budging a millimeter, and I
> am absolutely 100% certain that that is what saved me from any serious
> bodily harm in the end.
>
> It was also quite fun to see how confused they were once they found a
> white man who didn't back down.
>
> It is also interesting to note that they are herd animals and only
> attack when they have superiority in numbers. When they don't they are
> soft and meek.

It helps that I am twice the size of even the largest Muslims in the
school. Even if they were to try to pick a fight, they wouldn't get very
far.

>>>> I've worked with these people and taught their kids. They are not
>>>> here to integrate; they are here to conquer.
>>>
>>> Oh yes... conquering and squashing all opposition is at the core of
>>> islam. I find it so cute that western woke politicians are not aware
>>> of this and believe that islamd can be made into the tame
>>> "democratic" ideology. Boy are they wrong!
>>
>> Like I mentioned above, they expect you to submit to their ideology.
>> Their mere presence in my class to them meant that I couldn't play
>> music, that I had to refrain from showing a TV show where characters
>> kiss, that I had to avoid topics as simple as love. I didn't surrender
>> to it. In fact, I made sure to use a desktop background of Polish
>> hussars charging whenever I connected my screen to the projector.
>> Those who knew their history should have understood that while most of
>> Europe collapsed at the hands of the Ottomans, we crushed them and
>> kept on keeping their parasitic asses out of the continent for the
>> next decade.
>
> Great idea! I think I shall do the same when teaching this autumn. Do
> you have a link? =)

To the wallpaper? This is the one I was using:
<https://www.pxfuel.com/en/desktop-wallpaper-doajt>

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On 2024-08-05 3:38 p.m., D wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> On 2024-08-05 8:03 a.m., chrisv wrote:
>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's not unusual to see
>>>> ten or twenty-year-old gas-powered cars on the road. Meanwhile, your
>>>> electric car, once it's ten, becomes completely useless because nobody
>>>> will be willing to pay the $10,000 or more to replace the battery in
>>>> addition to what it costs just to buy the used car.
>>>
>>> Good point.  I hadn't thought of that.
>>>
>>> "We're saving the planet now!"  Not!
>>
>> A counterargument can be made in that when a gas-powered car reaches
>> ten years of age, it will likely require the replacement of a
>> transmission. If you own an Infiniti, as an example, their
>> transmissions are CVT and can't be repaired. If yours wasn't
>> maintained properly, it will require a replacement which will cost a
>> minimum of around $7k.
>>
>> However, most cars don't use a CVT and in the case of Toyota and
>> Honda, their CVTs can go two decades without requiring any kind of
>> expensive intervention. This is never going to be the case with an EV.
>> At ten years, no matter who you bought your EV from, that car is
>> likely to be parked in a graveyard until it rusts away naturally...
>> which will probably take a while since most cars are now using
>> galvanized steel.
>>
>
> My father and I (who share a gasoline car, how's that for _real_
> green!;) ) have always driven Renault or Volvo and we've had them about
> 15 years or so and there never was any transmission problems.

I had a Volvo s40 2001 as my first car. It was a fun enough drive but I
had a bunch of problems with it along the way. I still think I could
have gotten to 1,000,000 km with it if I wanted to, but it was already
rusting prematurely in 2004 and by the time I got rid of it in 2010, I
had already gotten to 210,000km with it. I felt like I needed something
newer and got a Jeep Patriot. Looking back, I should have held on to the
Volvo since the Patriot was a serious piece of poop.

> The problems I can think of have been mostly related to the electrical
> system (windows, warning lights not shutting off etc.). Once the
> handbrake got stuck also. Otherwise, the cars have been a dream to own
> and drive for up to 15 years which is the point at which we usually sell
> them and buy 1-3 year old car.

Fifteen years is what everyone should try to get out of a car, in my
opinion. Like you, I would have liked to buy them three years used too.
However, I have a wife who insists on having a luxury car and she hates
the thought of buying a car someone else's ass has been in so new is the
only option.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On 8/5/24 9:02 AM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 4 Aug 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> On 8/4/24 1:10 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2024-08-04, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>     And if any young gurus have envisioned some new OS with
>>>>     much of the Linux goodness/solidity/simplicity - now's the
>>>>     time to really get into writing it.
>>>
>>> Whatever happened to Plan 9?
>>
>>  P9 is still out there, still works, almost overkill
>>  for single-user boxes/servers. It was really writ
>>  for big clusters/distributed.
>>
>>  But there's not enough interest/$$$ to push it forward
>>  very much or get developers to port newer code.
>>
>>  I'd love to see VMS revived for the 21st century.
>>  It was a really good, versatile, advanced OS that
>>  did 'net' back when 'net' was 110-baud modems.
>>  Alas, so far, VMS is still "owned" - not freeware
>>  or 'abandonedware' like P9.
>>
>>  Oh, DID come a across some pix from a several years ago
>>  celebrating P9 being ported to the big IBM mainframes.
>>  Nothing much seems to have COME from it, but it IS
>>  there for the Big Computing world.
>>
>
> But OpenVMS has been ported to x86. Or does the port lack some feature
> you want?

My complaint is that it's not really "open" per-se,
but licensed.

"Please provide the information in the form below to help us qualify
your application for this evaluation. It is very important that you
indicate if your application is for Commercial or Community use. PLEASE
NOTE: If you have previously been provided an evaluation license and
your license is still valid, you do not need to reapply to access the
latest release as it is available to you in the Service Portal. If you
have an expiring Commercial evaluation that you would like to extend,
please contact your VMS Account Manager. If your application is
approved, you will receive an email with instructions for accessing
9.2-2 within two weeks of your submission."

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

>> Wow, you are a hero! I am surprised that the school did not kick you out
>> based on everything I have heard about Jordan Peterson fighting to be
>> able to address people as he or she. Maybe there are small pockets of
>> freedom in canada?
>
> Jordan Peterson was in Ontario which has already submitted to the religion of
> wokeness. I'm in Quebec. Woke is regularly criticized by some of the media
> but for a teacher, it's still risky to go against it. When I was teaching on
> the West end of the city to Anglophones, it was clear that having an opinion
> contrary to that of the woke was risky. That's why I returned to teaching
> Francophones who absolutely despise anything which might weaken their
> culture. The French language and Quebec culture comes first to them, and
> that's fine by me.

Interesting! I had no idea, but thank you for the information.

>> It is also interesting to note that they are herd animals and only
>> attack when they have superiority in numbers. When they don't they are
>> soft and meek.
>
> It helps that I am twice the size of even the largest Muslims in the school.
> Even if they were to try to pick a fight, they wouldn't get very far.

Ahh... how nice it would be! ;) Being not that big, I have to rely on
sending that message with my mind and body language instead of with my
body as a whole. ;)

>> Great idea! I think I shall do the same when teaching this autumn. Do
>> you have a link? =)
>
> To the wallpaper? This is the one I was using:
> <https://www.pxfuel.com/en/desktop-wallpaper-doajt>
>

Thank you very much!

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

>> My father and I (who share a gasoline car, how's that for _real_ green!;) )
>> have always driven Renault or Volvo and we've had them about 15 years or so
>> and there never was any transmission problems.
>
> I had a Volvo s40 2001 as my first car. It was a fun enough drive but I had a
> bunch of problems with it along the way. I still think I could have gotten to
> 1,000,000 km with it if I wanted to, but it was already rusting prematurely
> in 2004 and by the time I got rid of it in 2010, I had already gotten to
> 210,000km with it. I felt like I needed something newer and got a Jeep
> Patriot. Looking back, I should have held on to the Volvo since the Patriot
> was a serious piece of poop.

It will be interesting to see what car I will buy next time in about 1-5
years or so. I've been trying to propose to my wife that we should stop
flying, since the security theater, delays and generally the bad
experience of sharing a plane with loud drunks, screaming children etc.
gets too much on my nerves, and if she does buy into that idea (which I
doubt) we'll need to buy a car that would be comfortable to drive for 8
hours at a stretch. We'd need a really quiet car. But let's see what the
future holds. Maybe I can buy my own small DA-42 instead to solve the
flying problem! ;)

>> The problems I can think of have been mostly related to the electrical
>> system (windows, warning lights not shutting off etc.). Once the handbrake
>> got stuck also. Otherwise, the cars have been a dream to own and drive for
>> up to 15 years which is the point at which we usually sell them and buy 1-3
>> year old car.
>
> Fifteen years is what everyone should try to get out of a car, in my opinion.
> Like you, I would have liked to buy them three years used too. However, I
> have a wife who insists on having a luxury car and she hates the thought of
> buying a car someone else's ass has been in so new is the only option.

Yes, I wonder how many Tesla owners hold on to their tesla for 15 years?
;) My problem with my wife is that she needs culture so she won't let us
move away to a forest somewhere for a peaceful life. But what can you do? ;)

On Tue, 6 Aug 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 8/5/24 9:02 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/4/24 1:10 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> On 2024-08-04, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     And if any young gurus have envisioned some new OS with
>>>>>     much of the Linux goodness/solidity/simplicity - now's the
>>>>>     time to really get into writing it.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever happened to Plan 9?
>>>
>>>  P9 is still out there, still works, almost overkill
>>>  for single-user boxes/servers. It was really writ
>>>  for big clusters/distributed.
>>>
>>>  But there's not enough interest/$$$ to push it forward
>>>  very much or get developers to port newer code.
>>>
>>>  I'd love to see VMS revived for the 21st century.
>>>  It was a really good, versatile, advanced OS that
>>>  did 'net' back when 'net' was 110-baud modems.
>>>  Alas, so far, VMS is still "owned" - not freeware
>>>  or 'abandonedware' like P9.
>>>
>>>  Oh, DID come a across some pix from a several years ago
>>>  celebrating P9 being ported to the big IBM mainframes.
>>>  Nothing much seems to have COME from it, but it IS
>>>  there for the Big Computing world.
>>>
>>
>> But OpenVMS has been ported to x86. Or does the port lack some feature you
>> want?
>
>
> My complaint is that it's not really "open" per-se,
> but licensed.

Ahhh, ok, that explains it.

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On 06/08/2024 09:50, D wrote:
>
>
> It will be interesting to see what car I will buy next time in about 1-5
> years or so. I've been trying to propose to my wife that we should stop
> flying, since the security theater, delays and generally the bad
> experience of sharing a plane with loud drunks, screaming children etc.
> gets too much on my nerves, and if she does buy into that idea (which I
> doubt) we'll need to buy a car that would be comfortable to drive for 8
> hours at a stretch. We'd need a really quiet car.

You are describing a Jaguar luxury saloon. :-)

--
“Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of
a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

Dennis Miller

On 2024-08-06 4:50 a.m., D wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>> My father and I (who share a gasoline car, how's that for _real_
>>> green!;) ) have always driven Renault or Volvo and we've had them
>>> about 15 years or so and there never was any transmission problems.
>>
>> I had a Volvo s40 2001 as my first car. It was a fun enough drive but
>> I had a bunch of problems with it along the way. I still think I could
>> have gotten to 1,000,000 km with it if I wanted to, but it was already
>> rusting prematurely in 2004 and by the time I got rid of it in 2010, I
>> had already gotten to 210,000km with it. I felt like I needed
>> something newer and got a Jeep Patriot. Looking back, I should have
>> held on to the Volvo since the Patriot was a serious piece of poop.
>
> It will be interesting to see what car I will buy next time in about 1-5
> years or so. I've been trying to propose to my wife that we should stop
> flying, since the security theater, delays and generally the bad
> experience of sharing a plane with loud drunks, screaming children etc.
> gets too much on my nerves, and if she does buy into that idea (which I
> doubt) we'll need to buy a car that would be comfortable to drive for 8
> hours at a stretch. We'd need a really quiet car. But let's see what the
> future holds. Maybe I can buy my own small DA-42 instead to solve the
> flying problem! ;)

As much as I hate flying, I think I hate the idea of an eight-hour drive
even more. No matter how comfortable the car, I always end up with pain
in my left leg when driving for more than an hour at a time. However, we
are currently avoiding flying because of how uncontrollable our toddler
is. We don't want to annoy others for hours at a stretch.

>> Fifteen years is what everyone should try to get out of a car, in my
>> opinion. Like you, I would have liked to buy them three years used
>> too. However, I have a wife who insists on having a luxury car and she
>> hates the thought of buying a car someone else's ass has been in so
>> new is the only option.
>
> Yes, I wonder how many Tesla owners hold on to their tesla for 15 years?
> ;) My problem with my wife is that she needs culture so she won't let us
> move away to a forest somewhere for a peaceful life. But what can you
> do? ;)

I already told my wife that I would be willing to quit my teaching
position, move to some remote area and just take teaching contracts over
there, but she believes that I am bluffing and that I am attached to my
permanent position teaching inner-city youth. Admittedly, I don't mind
the inner-city stock since they're usually a lot more grateful that you
tried helping them out, but I don't have any kind of loyalty to them
either. I would much rather be in the woods somewhere, far away from
dark-skinned people than surrounded by them.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On Tue, 6 Aug 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 06/08/2024 09:50, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> It will be interesting to see what car I will buy next time in about 1-5
>> years or so. I've been trying to propose to my wife that we should stop
>> flying, since the security theater, delays and generally the bad
>> experience of sharing a plane with loud drunks, screaming children etc.
>> gets too much on my nerves, and if she does buy into that idea (which I
>> doubt) we'll need to buy a car that would be comfortable to drive for 8
>> hours at a stretch. We'd need a really quiet car.
>
> You are describing a Jaguar luxury saloon. :-)

Actually that is one option that did cross my mind! I think I read
somewhere that one of the more quiet cars is a Mercedes 500 class, so that
might be another option.

On Tue, 6 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

>> It will be interesting to see what car I will buy next time in about 1-5
>> years or so. I've been trying to propose to my wife that we should stop
>> flying, since the security theater, delays and generally the bad
>> experience of sharing a plane with loud drunks, screaming children etc.
>> gets too much on my nerves, and if she does buy into that idea (which I
>> doubt) we'll need to buy a car that would be comfortable to drive for 8
>> hours at a stretch. We'd need a really quiet car. But let's see what the
>> future holds. Maybe I can buy my own small DA-42 instead to solve the
>> flying problem! ;)
>
> As much as I hate flying, I think I hate the idea of an eight-hour drive even
> more. No matter how comfortable the car, I always end up with pain in my left
> leg when driving for more than an hour at a time. However, we are currently

This is a concern to me. I don't get any pains until after 2-3 hours,
but my hope is that buying a more upscale car, this could be extended to
4-5 hours or so, in which case I'd be good. A lunch break after 4 hours
solves any aches and pains for me.

> avoiding flying because of how uncontrollable our toddler is. We don't want
> to annoy others for hours at a stretch.

May you be blessed! Many have been my business trips with screaming
toddlers around me, and if not screaming toddlers, parents who raise
their children with ipads in front of their eyes 24/7 and think it is a
good idea to do that on planes with the sound on the maximum setting, so
that the passengers can enjoy their computer game sounds too for several
hours! ;)

Many have been the evil eyes from mothers when I told them to shut off
the volume after half an hour or so.

>> Yes, I wonder how many Tesla owners hold on to their tesla for 15 years?
>> ;) My problem with my wife is that she needs culture so she won't let us
>> move away to a forest somewhere for a peaceful life. But what can you do?
>> ;)
>
> I already told my wife that I would be willing to quit my teaching position,
> move to some remote area and just take teaching contracts over there, but she
> believes that I am bluffing and that I am attached to my permanent position
> teaching inner-city youth. Admittedly, I don't mind the inner-city stock
> since they're usually a lot more grateful that you tried helping them out,
> but I don't have any kind of loyalty to them either. I would much rather be
> in the woods somewhere, far away from dark-skinned people than surrounded by
> them.

One can always dream! =) Maybe a nice hybrid would be to renovate the
family cabin outside Stockholm for winter use. On the other hand, living
there for too long could land me in some tax problems (I no longer live
in sweden), but perhaps it could be a good way to slowly ease my wife
into the lifestyle of living away from the city for extended periods of
time.

On 2024-08-06 8:29 a.m., D wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 6 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>> It will be interesting to see what car I will buy next time in about 1-5
>>> years or so. I've been trying to propose to my wife that we should stop
>>> flying, since the security theater, delays and generally the bad
>>> experience of sharing a plane with loud drunks, screaming children etc.
>>> gets too much on my nerves, and if she does buy into that idea (which I
>>> doubt) we'll need to buy a car that would be comfortable to drive for 8
>>> hours at a stretch. We'd need a really quiet car. But let's see what the
>>> future holds. Maybe I can buy my own small DA-42 instead to solve the
>>> flying problem! ;)
>>
>> As much as I hate flying, I think I hate the idea of an eight-hour
>> drive even more. No matter how comfortable the car, I always end up
>> with pain in my left leg when driving for more than an hour at a time.
>> However, we are currently
>
> This is a concern to me. I don't get any pains until after 2-3 hours,
> but my hope is that buying a more upscale car, this could be extended to
> 4-5 hours or so, in which case I'd be good. A lunch break after 4 hours
> solves any aches and pains for me.

The most comfortable I've ever been was in the BMW 428i we had a while
back. The X3 was just as comfortable, but I don't know how good it would
be long-term since I only drove it for a day. The chairs they use in
front of their vehicles are by far the absolute best I've ever been in
though.

>> avoiding flying because of how uncontrollable our toddler is. We don't
>> want to annoy others for hours at a stretch.
>
> May you be blessed! Many have been my business trips with screaming
> toddlers around me, and if not screaming toddlers, parents who raise
> their children with ipads in front of their eyes 24/7 and think it is a
> good idea to do that on planes with the sound on the maximum setting, so
> that the passengers can enjoy their computer game sounds too for several
> hours! ;)
>
> Many have been the evil eyes from mothers when I told them to shut off
> the volume after half an hour or so.

The end result is that I get those kids as students and they can't
follow even the simplest instructions because there are no emojis and
sound effects coming out of my mouth. I can't stand these parents, but I
will admit that when my kid is absolutely nuts in a public setting,
you're better off handing him your cell phone for a bit than having him
go around annoying everyone.

>> I already told my wife that I would be willing to quit my teaching
>> position, move to some remote area and just take teaching contracts
>> over there, but she believes that I am bluffing and that I am attached
>> to my permanent position teaching inner-city youth. Admittedly, I
>> don't mind the inner-city stock since they're usually a lot more
>> grateful that you tried helping them out, but I don't have any kind of
>> loyalty to them either. I would much rather be in the woods somewhere,
>> far away from dark-skinned people than surrounded by them.
>
> One can always dream! =) Maybe a nice hybrid would be to renovate the
> family cabin outside Stockholm for winter use. On the other hand, living
> there for too long could land me in some tax problems (I no longer live
> in sweden), but perhaps it could be a good way to slowly ease my wife
> into the lifestyle of living away from the city for extended periods of
> time.

I have never seen the benefit of living in the city. When you're young,
it's great because you're never too far from the best schools but once
you graduate, it just sucks. I tried to enjoy it in my 20s by going to
concerts and sports matches, but I still would have preferred to be in
some isolated setting with a portable music player and watch those
matches on television.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On Tue, 6 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

>> This is a concern to me. I don't get any pains until after 2-3 hours,
>> but my hope is that buying a more upscale car, this could be extended to
>> 4-5 hours or so, in which case I'd be good. A lunch break after 4 hours
>> solves any aches and pains for me.
>
> The most comfortable I've ever been was in the BMW 428i we had a while back.
> The X3 was just as comfortable, but I don't know how good it would be
> long-term since I only drove it for a day. The chairs they use in front of
> their vehicles are by far the absolute best I've ever been in though.

That is a good point! For a brief time, when my job required a lot of
driving, I did own a BMW 3-series.

>> May you be blessed! Many have been my business trips with screaming
>> toddlers around me, and if not screaming toddlers, parents who raise
>> their children with ipads in front of their eyes 24/7 and think it is a
>> good idea to do that on planes with the sound on the maximum setting, so
>> that the passengers can enjoy their computer game sounds too for several
>> hours! ;)
>>
>> Many have been the evil eyes from mothers when I told them to shut off
>> the volume after half an hour or so.
>
> The end result is that I get those kids as students and they can't follow
> even the simplest instructions because there are no emojis and sound effects
> coming out of my mouth. I can't stand these parents, but I will admit that
> when my kid is absolutely nuts in a public setting, you're better off handing
> him your cell phone for a bit than having him go around annoying everyone.

It is easy for me to complain since I don't have children, and most
likely never will. I always wonder if I would cave in during similar
circumstances?

>> One can always dream! =) Maybe a nice hybrid would be to renovate the
>> family cabin outside Stockholm for winter use. On the other hand, living
>> there for too long could land me in some tax problems (I no longer live
>> in sweden), but perhaps it could be a good way to slowly ease my wife
>> into the lifestyle of living away from the city for extended periods of
>> time.
>
> I have never seen the benefit of living in the city. When you're young, it's
> great because you're never too far from the best schools but once you
> graduate, it just sucks. I tried to enjoy it in my 20s by going to concerts
> and sports matches, but I still would have preferred to be in some isolated
> setting with a portable music player and watch those matches on television.

Me too. I'm not a big fan of huge crowded events, and going to movie
theaters today is a no go as well, since they are full with people
shouting and talking through the movie.

I vote 100% for your concept of a portable music player in the country
side!

I have a dream, when happily settled, to work out a deal with the local
super market and/or farmer to enable drone delivery to myself, so I
could reduce my driving as well. A daily walk or two to the nearby lake
for some fishing is all the exercise I require. ;)

On 06/08/2024 20:36, D wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 6 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>> This is a concern to me. I don't get any pains until after 2-3 hours,
>>> but my hope is that buying a more upscale car, this could be extended to
>>> 4-5 hours or so, in which case I'd be good. A lunch break after 4 hours
>>> solves any aches and pains for me.
>>
>> The most comfortable I've ever been was in the BMW 428i we had a while
>> back. The X3 was just as comfortable, but I don't know how good it
>> would be long-term since I only drove it for a day. The chairs they
>> use in front of their vehicles are by far the absolute best I've ever
>> been in though.
>
> That is a good point! For a brief time, when my job required a lot of
> driving, I did own a BMW 3-series.
>
>>> May you be blessed! Many have been my business trips with screaming
>>> toddlers around me, and if not screaming toddlers, parents who raise
>>> their children with ipads in front of their eyes 24/7 and think it is a
>>> good idea to do that on planes with the sound on the maximum setting, so
>>> that the passengers can enjoy their computer game sounds too for several
>>> hours! ;)
>>>
>>> Many have been the evil eyes from mothers when I told them to shut off
>>> the volume after half an hour or so.
>>
>> The end result is that I get those kids as students and they can't
>> follow even the simplest instructions because there are no emojis and
>> sound effects coming out of my mouth. I can't stand these parents, but
>> I will admit that when my kid is absolutely nuts in a public setting,
>> you're better off handing him your cell phone for a bit than having
>> him go around annoying everyone.
>
> It is easy for me to complain since I don't have children, and most
> likely never will. I always wonder if I would cave in during similar
> circumstances?
>
>>> One can always dream! =) Maybe a nice hybrid would be to renovate the
>>> family cabin outside Stockholm for winter use. On the other hand, living
>>> there for too long could land me in some tax problems (I no longer live
>>> in sweden), but perhaps it could be a good way to slowly ease my wife
>>> into the lifestyle of living away from the city for extended periods of
>>> time.
>>
>> I have never seen the benefit of living in the city. When you're
>> young, it's great because you're never too far from the best schools
>> but once you graduate, it just sucks. I tried to enjoy it in my 20s by
>> going to concerts and sports matches, but I still would have preferred
>> to be in some isolated setting with a portable music player and watch
>> those matches on television.
>
> Me too. I'm not a big fan of huge crowded events, and going to movie
> theaters today is a no go as well, since they are full with people
> shouting and talking through the movie.
>
> I vote 100% for your concept of a portable music player in the country
> side!
>
> I have a dream, when happily settled, to work out a deal with the local
> super market and/or farmer to enable drone delivery to myself, so I
> could reduce my driving as well. A daily walk or two to the nearby lake
> for some fishing is all the exercise I require. ;)

Round here the supermarkets send a man in a van, if you order online.

--
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all
private property.

Karl Marx

On 2024-08-06 3:36 p.m., D wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 6 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>> This is a concern to me. I don't get any pains until after 2-3 hours,
>>> but my hope is that buying a more upscale car, this could be extended to
>>> 4-5 hours or so, in which case I'd be good. A lunch break after 4 hours
>>> solves any aches and pains for me.
>>
>> The most comfortable I've ever been was in the BMW 428i we had a while
>> back. The X3 was just as comfortable, but I don't know how good it
>> would be long-term since I only drove it for a day. The chairs they
>> use in front of their vehicles are by far the absolute best I've ever
>> been in though.
>
> That is a good point! For a brief time, when my job required a lot of
> driving, I did own a BMW 3-series.

The only 3 series I ever drove was a 320i. I don't know if it was in
dire need of maintenance or not, but it was very underwhelming.
Otherwise, the 428i and X3 are the only ones I've ever been in. I
actually kind of miss having one considering how much I loved the X3
that one day I had it.

>>> May you be blessed! Many have been my business trips with screaming
>>> toddlers around me, and if not screaming toddlers, parents who raise
>>> their children with ipads in front of their eyes 24/7 and think it is a
>>> good idea to do that on planes with the sound on the maximum setting, so
>>> that the passengers can enjoy their computer game sounds too for several
>>> hours! ;)
>>>
>>> Many have been the evil eyes from mothers when I told them to shut off
>>> the volume after half an hour or so.
>>
>> The end result is that I get those kids as students and they can't
>> follow even the simplest instructions because there are no emojis and
>> sound effects coming out of my mouth. I can't stand these parents, but
>> I will admit that when my kid is absolutely nuts in a public setting,
>> you're better off handing him your cell phone for a bit than having
>> him go around annoying everyone.
>
> It is easy for me to complain since I don't have children, and most
> likely never will. I always wonder if I would cave in during similar
> circumstances?

Is it that you don't want children or that you can't have any?

>>> One can always dream! =) Maybe a nice hybrid would be to renovate the
>>> family cabin outside Stockholm for winter use. On the other hand, living
>>> there for too long could land me in some tax problems (I no longer live
>>> in sweden), but perhaps it could be a good way to slowly ease my wife
>>> into the lifestyle of living away from the city for extended periods of
>>> time.
>>
>> I have never seen the benefit of living in the city. When you're
>> young, it's great because you're never too far from the best schools
>> but once you graduate, it just sucks. I tried to enjoy it in my 20s by
>> going to concerts and sports matches, but I still would have preferred
>> to be in some isolated setting with a portable music player and watch
>> those matches on television.
>
> Me too. I'm not a big fan of huge crowded events, and going to movie
> theaters today is a no go as well, since they are full with people
> shouting and talking through the movie.

I know the feeling. I recall going to the movies this one time with my
wife to see Mirrors with Kiefer Sutherland in the theater. A pack of
four or five teenagers decided to sit in the front row and make idiotic
comments throughout. I waited to see if anyone was going to do anything
about it, but us Canadians tend to let sleeping dogs lie so I eventually
realized that I had to act or nobody would. I got up from my seat,
absolutely irate, walked down, tripped and nearly fell. Then, I walked
over to where the guys were and very sternly told them that if they
didn't shut the Hell up immediately, I would grab one of them at random
and beat the living snot out of them before breaking their legs. I must
have been very convincing because they stayed quiet for the second half
of the movie. Unsurprisingly, a guy later shouted "yeah, I was going to
do that!" but they never do.

A similar thing happened at a comedy club a few years later. For some
reason, some dick decided to come into my alley and talk to his friend.
I and anyone else around me couldn't hear the routine because the guy
kept talking over the comedian to his friend. I eventually turned to him
and asked him to shut up because we paid for the show. His response:
"that's not my problem." That's when I got up and told him that it was
going to very much become his problem if I had to tell him again. He got
the point and left, even his friend didn't defend him. Like the previous
time, a guy eventually said "yeah, I was going to do that!" and moments
later, a security guard came and asked me if things were okay. Nothing
else happened.

I can't stand inconsiderate people.

> I vote 100% for your concept of a portable music player in the country
> side!
>
> I have a dream, when happily settled, to work out a deal with the local
> super market and/or farmer to enable drone delivery to myself, so I
> could reduce my driving as well. A daily walk or two to the nearby lake
> for some fishing is all the exercise I require. ;)

I'd love that. The only thing I can't stand about the country side is
bugs. However, it's getting to the point that there will be no way to
live in the city anyway. The Muslims are dead set on taking over and the
negroes are so dumb they can be manipulated to be useful idiots and help
them. Speaking of, just today:

I had to go over to buy some smoke detectors to replace defective ones
at home. As I left the parking lot, there was a car in front of me going
needlessly slow and swerving from one lane to another. I opted to pass
them completely. At the next stop which was also a very busy
intersection, I noticed the same car completely burn the stop and nearly
collide with another car that was trying to turn. The driver then
finally stopped behind a pile of cars looking to turn left. Once I got
the chance, I looked into the offending car to see what kind of imbecile
would drive so dangerously. What I found was a negress, looking down at
her cellphone even after almost killing herself. I imagine that the
entire time, she was texting or watching a video of people twerking.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers