On Sun, 4 Aug 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 8/4/24 1:10 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2024-08-04, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>
>>> And if any young gurus have envisioned some new OS with
>>> much of the Linux goodness/solidity/simplicity - now's the
>>> time to really get into writing it.
>>
>> Whatever happened to Plan 9?
>
> P9 is still out there, still works, almost overkill
> for single-user boxes/servers. It was really writ
> for big clusters/distributed.
>
> But there's not enough interest/$$$ to push it forward
> very much or get developers to port newer code.
>
> I'd love to see VMS revived for the 21st century.
> It was a really good, versatile, advanced OS that
> did 'net' back when 'net' was 110-baud modems.
> Alas, so far, VMS is still "owned" - not freeware
> or 'abandonedware' like P9.
>
> Oh, DID come a across some pix from a several years ago
> celebrating P9 being ported to the big IBM mainframes.
> Nothing much seems to have COME from it, but it IS
> there for the Big Computing world.
>

But OpenVMS has been ported to x86. Or does the port lack some feature you
want?

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, Sebastian wrote:

> Of course the people prescribing a complete switch to EVs know full well
> that no country can actually complete a full switch to EVs (let alone
> while also switching to solar panels and windmills as the sole source
> of power). But they don't really plan to do this. It's just a lie they
> allow people to believe in order to prevent them from noticing what the
> plan really is, which you seem to already know:
>
>> Eco-fascism is a control tool, which is built like the medieval church
>> with the intent of making the population hand over all power to
>> eco-priests (politicians and corrupt scientists). Only they will allow you
>> to attone for your sins by higher taxes and a medieval lifestyle, while
>> they still travel with private jet.
>
> This is the real plan. All Western countries already have bans on ICEs
> in place, set to take effect in the distant future so people can be
> gradually immiserated instead of thrust into complete poverty all of
> a sudden. Obviously, the intent is to get the population to accept their
> new lot in life without revolting. By the time life gets bad enough that
> people want to revolt, they'll have no way to get to their countries'
> capital cities, and they'll be too busy starving and freezing to have
> any energy to put into a fight.
>
> Of course, all of this depends on not too many people noticing what
> the plan is too far ahead of time. It could be argued that too many
> people already know for the plan to work. Let's hope that's the case,
> or if it isn't, that enough people learn quickly enough to stop it.

You can add to that another interesting perspective, that of protein.
Imagine a world where only the rich get to eat meat, and the peasants
may only (to save the world of course) eat plants.

The result is that they will live with a lack of nutrients, they will
become more tired, have less energy, and be less likely to revolt.

The rich will continue to eat meat and a healthy balanced diet, and will
have the physical and mental resources to run their kingdoms.

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 08:38:10 -0400
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

> One problem remains: there aren't enough chargers or even spaces for
> chargers if everyone were to have an EV. Hopefully, those owners don't
> need to charge every day.

If there is space to park a car there is space to provide a
charger, they're a lot smaller than cars. Some places are building them
into lamp posts.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

On Mon, 05 Aug 2024 07:03:08 -0500
chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> CrudeSausage wrote:
>
> >It's not unusual to see
> >ten or twenty-year-old gas-powered cars on the road. Meanwhile, your
> >electric car, once it's ten, becomes completely useless because nobody
> >will be willing to pay the $10,000 or more to replace the battery in
> >addition to what it costs just to buy the used car.
>
> Good point. I hadn't thought of that.

Now look at the second hand car listings for ten year old EVs and
discover that there are plenty around with 70% or better of the original
battery capacity. They last longer than ten years!

The only problem is that ten years ago most EVs were Nissan Leafs
with 24kWh batteries but they still find buyers despite the quite low range
left to them, they usually show a bit over 100km in eco mode - probably
more like 70km in reality which is enough for most commutes/school runs but
not much else.

There are a few ten year old Teslas around, some of them very
flash, with plenty of capacity left but for the price of them I'd go for a
three or four year old Kia E-Niro and get something with a warranty, a lot
fewer kilometers on the battery and no history of being used as a road
racer.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

On Mon, 05 Aug 2024 07:00:39 -0500
chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
> >I'm trying to keep out of this but Oh boy that is priceless
> >garbage! Most EV owners charge at home overnight taking advantage of the
> >times when the grid is underutiliosed and electricity is cheap.
>
> Most do *now*, because almost every EV owner has A) a home with a
> off-street parking

Yes. Howver everybody who owns a car parks it *somewhere*. It is
surely not beyond the wit of man to provide a 7kW charger by every parking
place. I already see them appearing where parking is provided as part of
the deal. Note that this does not need to happen overnight as long as
parking spots with chargers get put it at around the rate of EV take up.

Until recently almost every EV owner bought their car new so there
was little need to consider EV owners without somewhere to put a charger.
That is starting to change as more EVs hit the second hand market which is
starting to make EV charging facilities a selling point for apartments with
car parking provided.

> and B) another, gas-powered vehicle in the family
> that can be used for longer trips.

Some but not most - at least not in this country where the insurance
costs make that prohibitive. They're more likely to rent a car for longer
trips than own one if such is needed.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 15:08:00 +0200
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> You can add to that another interesting perspective, that of protein.
> Imagine a world where only the rich get to eat meat, and the peasants
> may only (to save the world of course) eat plants.
>
> The result is that they will live with a lack of nutrients, they will
> become more tired, have less energy, and be less likely to revolt.

Wow you believe all the myths.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

On 2024-08-05 9:10 a.m., Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Aug 2024 07:03:08 -0500
> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> It's not unusual to see
>>> ten or twenty-year-old gas-powered cars on the road. Meanwhile, your
>>> electric car, once it's ten, becomes completely useless because nobody
>>> will be willing to pay the $10,000 or more to replace the battery in
>>> addition to what it costs just to buy the used car.
>>
>> Good point. I hadn't thought of that.
>
> Now look at the second hand car listings for ten year old EVs and
> discover that there are plenty around with 70% or better of the original
> battery capacity. They last longer than ten years!

Would you buy a cell phone whose battery capacity is 70% of its
original? What about a laptop? I would expect that battery to either
bloat, catch fire, explode or stop charging entirely from one moment to
another in the best of cases. I've had it happen to the replacement
battery in my MSI GT72. It worked fine but degraded after a few years.
Then, its supposed health skyrocketed to 150%, 200%, 400% and so on for
a few days until it could no longer hold a charge longer than about
three minutes. That 70% number is meaningless because these things are
unpredictable. Heck, they spontaneously catch fire.

> The only problem is that ten years ago most EVs were Nissan Leafs
> with 24kWh batteries but they still find buyers despite the quite low range
> left to them, they usually show a bit over 100km in eco mode - probably
> more like 70km in reality which is enough for most commutes/school runs but
> not much else.

If a person is dumb enough to buy a Nissan Leaf whose 24kWh battery is
depleted and try to use them daily, they deserve whatever happens to
them. For whatever price they paid, they could have gotten a gas-powered
vehicle with great fuel economy which would also have allowed them to go
on long road trips.

> There are a few ten year old Teslas around, some of them very
> flash, with plenty of capacity left but for the price of them I'd go for a
> three or four year old Kia E-Niro and get something with a warranty, a lot
> fewer kilometers on the battery and no history of being used as a road
> racer.

If ever I see a flaming car on the highway whose driver is unaffected by
the fact that he's about to be burned alive, I'll know it's you.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 10:24:30 -0400
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

> If ever I see a flaming car on the highway whose driver is unaffected by
> the fact that he's about to be burned alive, I'll know it's you.

They are most likely driving a petrol car.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 10:24:30 -0400
> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>
>> If ever I see a flaming car on the highway whose driver is unaffected by
>> the fact that he's about to be burned alive, I'll know it's you.
>
> They are most likely driving a petrol car.

Ugh, in my home town on the highway, a truck smashed into a car and everything
erupted in flames, killing IIRC four people. It melted a light-pole
like candle wax.

--
After your lover has gone you will still have PEANUT BUTTER!

On 2024-08-05 10:42 a.m., Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 10:24:30 -0400
> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>
>> If ever I see a flaming car on the highway whose driver is unaffected by
>> the fact that he's about to be burned alive, I'll know it's you.
>
> They are most likely driving a petrol car.

No, people in petrol cars tend to escape their burning cars. EV drivers
see the intense heat as a feature. When their charred corpses are found,
they're usually holding a note that says "would buy one again."

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On 05/08/2024 16:56, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 10:24:30 -0400
>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>
>>> If ever I see a flaming car on the highway whose driver is unaffected by
>>> the fact that he's about to be burned alive, I'll know it's you.
>>
>> They are most likely driving a petrol car.
>
> Ugh, in my home town on the highway, a truck smashed into a car and everything
> erupted in flames, killing IIRC four people. It melted a light-pole
> like candle wax.
>
The thing is minor petrol fires are common - a fuel leak under the
bonnet and a hot exhaust sees to that.
But you can put it out. With water
With EV fires you let it burn out along with the house it's parked in....

--
"If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the
news paper, you are mis-informed."

Mark Twain

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

>
>> No amount of conservation is going to help if population
>> keeps rising as fast as the ruling classes want it to. It's simple
>> math - cut per-capita consumption in half while doubling the population
>> and you're right back where you started.
>>
>> Nuclear might solve our energy problems - in the near term at least -
>> but you still need to find food, water, and living space (Lebensraum?)
>> for the teeming masses.
>
> You can help stop overpopulation by refusing to send any kind of aid to the
> continent of Africa. Most of its inhabitants can barely take care of
> themselves but don't mind multiplying themselves a dozen times. They won't
> take care of their children anyway because that's the White man's
> responsibility, and they will gladly send their offspring to the West to
> force that point.
>

Actually, it has been proven that sending aid to africa only enriches
dictators and does very little to actually help the population. It also
creates an incentive, never to develop their countries themselves.

Africa would be much better off without aid, and thus being forced to
solely rely on business and building up their countries.

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

>> manage to capture the political power (a moslem political party already
>> exists and it is growing) or if the far, far right will eventually manage
>> to capture power. And from there the country will either become moslem, or
>> the far right will do some kind of Hitler play.
>
> I spent the last five years teaching in an area of Montreal where the student
> population is mostly Muslim. Any students who didn't worship the murderous
> pedophile were Moldovan, Latin American or Haitian. Both the Latin American
> and Haitian students felt comfortable going to the school because their
> numbers were large enough that they could always find a buddy. However,
> Whites were very visibly uncomfortable in that school. They kept their heads
> down and their mouths mostly shut because if you weren't going to be attacked
> by the negroes, you were going to be attacked by members of the religion of
> peace. They took a great liking to me because I was their first line of
> defense: the aforementioned communities don't scare me whatsoever so when
> they do something even slightly objectionable, I take pleasure in making
> their lives miserable. I also took great pleasure in showing music videos and
> PG-13 content to my classes, stuff that the Muslims consider "haram." I
> regularly told them very clearly that their religion has zero influence over
> my teaching, that I will not adapt to them whatsoever, that the state doesn't
> require me to adapt and that it is up to them to integrate.

Wow, you are a hero! I am surprised that the school did not kick you out
based on everything I have heard about Jordan Peterson fighting to be
able to address people as he or she. Maybe there are small pockets of
freedom in canada?

Regardless, you should receive some kind of medal for your service to
humanity and rationality!

I've had moslems in my classes, although not in the same numbers as you,
and what I find works, is strict discipline, no bending of the rules,
and treating everyone exactly the same.

The ones who can't take it disappear early, for the benefit of the
class. And the ones who remain actually start to shape up and respect
you as a teacher.

During the times when I had moslems trying to rob me in the street, or
assault me, I utilized the same defense. Not budging a millimeter, and I
am absolutely 100% certain that that is what saved me from any serious
bodily harm in the end.

It was also quite fun to see how confused they were once they found a
white man who didn't back down.

It is also interesting to note that they are herd animals and only
attack when they have superiority in numbers. When they don't they are
soft and meek.

>>> I've worked with these people and taught their kids. They are not here to
>>> integrate; they are here to conquer.
>>
>> Oh yes... conquering and squashing all opposition is at the core of islam.
>> I find it so cute that western woke politicians are not aware of this and
>> believe that islamd can be made into the tame "democratic" ideology. Boy
>> are they wrong!
>
> Like I mentioned above, they expect you to submit to their ideology. Their
> mere presence in my class to them meant that I couldn't play music, that I
> had to refrain from showing a TV show where characters kiss, that I had to
> avoid topics as simple as love. I didn't surrender to it. In fact, I made
> sure to use a desktop background of Polish hussars charging whenever I
> connected my screen to the projector. Those who knew their history should
> have understood that while most of Europe collapsed at the hands of the
> Ottomans, we crushed them and kept on keeping their parasitic asses out of
> the continent for the next decade.

Great idea! I think I shall do the same when teaching this autumn. Do
you have a link? =)

On 2024-08-05 3:23 p.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/08/2024 16:56, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 10:24:30 -0400
>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If ever I see a flaming car on the highway whose driver is
>>>> unaffected by
>>>> the fact that he's about to be burned alive, I'll know it's you.
>>>
>>>     They are most likely driving a petrol car.
>>
>> Ugh, in my home town on the highway, a truck smashed into a car and
>> everything
>> erupted in flames, killing IIRC four people. It melted a light-pole
>> like candle wax.
>>
> The thing is minor petrol fires are common - a fuel leak under the
> bonnet and a hot exhaust sees to that.
> But you can put it out. With water
> With EV fires you let it burn out along with the house it's parked in....

After watching the fire burn your car and house down, the first thing a
Tesla owner usually does is walk toward the charred remains of his loved
ones and whispers "I would buy one again."

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On 2024-08-05 3:24 p.m., D wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>
>>> No amount of conservation is going to help if population
>>> keeps rising as fast as the ruling classes want it to.  It's simple
>>> math - cut per-capita consumption in half while doubling the population
>>> and you're right back where you started.
>>>
>>> Nuclear might solve our energy problems - in the near term at least -
>>> but you still need to find food, water, and living space (Lebensraum?)
>>> for the teeming masses.
>>
>> You can help stop overpopulation by refusing to send any kind of aid
>> to the continent of Africa. Most of its inhabitants can barely take
>> care of themselves but don't mind multiplying themselves a dozen
>> times. They won't take care of their children anyway because that's
>> the White man's responsibility, and they will gladly send their
>> offspring to the West to force that point.
>>
>
> Actually, it has been proven that sending aid to africa only enriches
> dictators and does very little to actually help the population. It also
> creates an incentive, never to develop their countries themselves.
>
> Africa would be much better off without aid, and thus being forced to
> solely rely on business and building up their countries.

I'm in favour of anything that ensures that not one cent of Western
money goes to Africa.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 2024-08-05 8:03 a.m., chrisv wrote:
>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> It's not unusual to see
>>> ten or twenty-year-old gas-powered cars on the road. Meanwhile, your
>>> electric car, once it's ten, becomes completely useless because nobody
>>> will be willing to pay the $10,000 or more to replace the battery in
>>> addition to what it costs just to buy the used car.
>>
>> Good point. I hadn't thought of that.
>>
>> "We're saving the planet now!" Not!
>
> A counterargument can be made in that when a gas-powered car reaches ten
> years of age, it will likely require the replacement of a transmission. If
> you own an Infiniti, as an example, their transmissions are CVT and can't be
> repaired. If yours wasn't maintained properly, it will require a replacement
> which will cost a minimum of around $7k.
>
> However, most cars don't use a CVT and in the case of Toyota and Honda, their
> CVTs can go two decades without requiring any kind of expensive intervention.
> This is never going to be the case with an EV. At ten years, no matter who
> you bought your EV from, that car is likely to be parked in a graveyard until
> it rusts away naturally... which will probably take a while since most cars
> are now using galvanized steel.
>

My father and I (who share a gasoline car, how's that for _real_ green!;)
) have always driven Renault or Volvo and we've had them about 15 years or
so and there never was any transmission problems.

The problems I can think of have been mostly related to the electrical
system (windows, warning lights not shutting off etc.). Once the handbrake
got stuck also. Otherwise, the cars have been a dream to own and drive for
up to 15 years which is the point at which we usually sell them and buy
1-3 year old car.

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
>On 05/08/2024 16:56, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 10:24:30 -0400
>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

What really burns me up is a bunch of yahoos crossposting
non-topical nonsense to a.t.fol.lore.com.uters.

trimmed.

Scott Lurndal wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> On 05/08/2024 16:56, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 10:24:30 -0400
>>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>
> What really burns me up is a bunch of yahoos crossposting
> non-topical nonsense to a.t.fol.lore.com.uters.
>
> trimmed.
>
wouldn't it be nice if the world did what you want

On 2024-08-05 3:34 p.m., D wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>> manage to capture the political power (a moslem political party
>>> already exists and it is growing) or if the far, far right will
>>> eventually manage to capture power. And from there the country will
>>> either become moslem, or the far right will do some kind of Hitler play.
>>
>> I spent the last five years teaching in an area of Montreal where the
>> student population is mostly Muslim. Any students who didn't worship
>> the murderous pedophile were Moldovan, Latin American or Haitian. Both
>> the Latin American and Haitian students felt comfortable going to the
>> school because their numbers were large enough that they could always
>> find a buddy. However, Whites were very visibly uncomfortable in that
>> school. They kept their heads down and their mouths mostly shut
>> because if you weren't going to be attacked by the negroes, you were
>> going to be attacked by members of the religion of peace. They took a
>> great liking to me because I was their first line of defense: the
>> aforementioned communities don't scare me whatsoever so when they do
>> something even slightly objectionable, I take pleasure in making their
>> lives miserable. I also took great pleasure in showing music videos
>> and PG-13 content to my classes, stuff that the Muslims consider
>> "haram." I regularly told them very clearly that their religion has
>> zero influence over my teaching, that I will not adapt to them
>> whatsoever, that the state doesn't require me to adapt and that it is
>> up to them to integrate.
>
> Wow, you are a hero! I am surprised that the school did not kick you out
> based on everything I have heard about Jordan Peterson fighting to be
> able to address people as he or she. Maybe there are small pockets of
> freedom in canada?

Jordan Peterson was in Ontario which has already submitted to the
religion of wokeness. I'm in Quebec. Woke is regularly criticized by
some of the media but for a teacher, it's still risky to go against it.
When I was teaching on the West end of the city to Anglophones, it was
clear that having an opinion contrary to that of the woke was risky.
That's why I returned to teaching Francophones who absolutely despise
anything which might weaken their culture. The French language and
Quebec culture comes first to them, and that's fine by me.

> Regardless, you should receive some kind of medal for your service to
> humanity and rationality!
>
> I've had moslems in my classes, although not in the same numbers as you,
> and what I find works, is strict discipline, no bending of the rules,
> and treating everyone exactly the same.

I am extremely strict with them in the classroom and they seem to
respect that. I routinely had Muslim students I didn't even have
greeting me in the hallways. At the same time, I see it as an attempt
for them to try to get me to weaken my guard. I would rather they think
I'm an unlikable asshole than anything remotely close to a friend.

> The ones who can't take it disappear early, for the benefit of the
> class. And the ones who remain actually start to shape up and respect
> you as a teacher.
>
> During the times when I had moslems trying to rob me in the street, or
> assault me, I utilized the same defense. Not budging a millimeter, and I
> am absolutely 100% certain that that is what saved me from any serious
> bodily harm in the end.
>
> It was also quite fun to see how confused they were once they found a
> white man who didn't back down.
>
> It is also interesting to note that they are herd animals and only
> attack when they have superiority in numbers. When they don't they are
> soft and meek.

It helps that I am twice the size of even the largest Muslims in the
school. Even if they were to try to pick a fight, they wouldn't get very
far.

>>>> I've worked with these people and taught their kids. They are not
>>>> here to integrate; they are here to conquer.
>>>
>>> Oh yes... conquering and squashing all opposition is at the core of
>>> islam. I find it so cute that western woke politicians are not aware
>>> of this and believe that islamd can be made into the tame
>>> "democratic" ideology. Boy are they wrong!
>>
>> Like I mentioned above, they expect you to submit to their ideology.
>> Their mere presence in my class to them meant that I couldn't play
>> music, that I had to refrain from showing a TV show where characters
>> kiss, that I had to avoid topics as simple as love. I didn't surrender
>> to it. In fact, I made sure to use a desktop background of Polish
>> hussars charging whenever I connected my screen to the projector.
>> Those who knew their history should have understood that while most of
>> Europe collapsed at the hands of the Ottomans, we crushed them and
>> kept on keeping their parasitic asses out of the continent for the
>> next decade.
>
> Great idea! I think I shall do the same when teaching this autumn. Do
> you have a link? =)

To the wallpaper? This is the one I was using:
<https://www.pxfuel.com/en/desktop-wallpaper-doajt>

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On 2024-08-05 3:38 p.m., D wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> On 2024-08-05 8:03 a.m., chrisv wrote:
>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's not unusual to see
>>>> ten or twenty-year-old gas-powered cars on the road. Meanwhile, your
>>>> electric car, once it's ten, becomes completely useless because nobody
>>>> will be willing to pay the $10,000 or more to replace the battery in
>>>> addition to what it costs just to buy the used car.
>>>
>>> Good point.  I hadn't thought of that.
>>>
>>> "We're saving the planet now!"  Not!
>>
>> A counterargument can be made in that when a gas-powered car reaches
>> ten years of age, it will likely require the replacement of a
>> transmission. If you own an Infiniti, as an example, their
>> transmissions are CVT and can't be repaired. If yours wasn't
>> maintained properly, it will require a replacement which will cost a
>> minimum of around $7k.
>>
>> However, most cars don't use a CVT and in the case of Toyota and
>> Honda, their CVTs can go two decades without requiring any kind of
>> expensive intervention. This is never going to be the case with an EV.
>> At ten years, no matter who you bought your EV from, that car is
>> likely to be parked in a graveyard until it rusts away naturally...
>> which will probably take a while since most cars are now using
>> galvanized steel.
>>
>
> My father and I (who share a gasoline car, how's that for _real_
> green!;) ) have always driven Renault or Volvo and we've had them about
> 15 years or so and there never was any transmission problems.

I had a Volvo s40 2001 as my first car. It was a fun enough drive but I
had a bunch of problems with it along the way. I still think I could
have gotten to 1,000,000 km with it if I wanted to, but it was already
rusting prematurely in 2004 and by the time I got rid of it in 2010, I
had already gotten to 210,000km with it. I felt like I needed something
newer and got a Jeep Patriot. Looking back, I should have held on to the
Volvo since the Patriot was a serious piece of poop.

> The problems I can think of have been mostly related to the electrical
> system (windows, warning lights not shutting off etc.). Once the
> handbrake got stuck also. Otherwise, the cars have been a dream to own
> and drive for up to 15 years which is the point at which we usually sell
> them and buy 1-3 year old car.

Fifteen years is what everyone should try to get out of a car, in my
opinion. Like you, I would have liked to buy them three years used too.
However, I have a wife who insists on having a luxury car and she hates
the thought of buying a car someone else's ass has been in so new is the
only option.

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Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On 8/5/24 9:02 AM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 4 Aug 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> On 8/4/24 1:10 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2024-08-04, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>     And if any young gurus have envisioned some new OS with
>>>>     much of the Linux goodness/solidity/simplicity - now's the
>>>>     time to really get into writing it.
>>>
>>> Whatever happened to Plan 9?
>>
>>  P9 is still out there, still works, almost overkill
>>  for single-user boxes/servers. It was really writ
>>  for big clusters/distributed.
>>
>>  But there's not enough interest/$$$ to push it forward
>>  very much or get developers to port newer code.
>>
>>  I'd love to see VMS revived for the 21st century.
>>  It was a really good, versatile, advanced OS that
>>  did 'net' back when 'net' was 110-baud modems.
>>  Alas, so far, VMS is still "owned" - not freeware
>>  or 'abandonedware' like P9.
>>
>>  Oh, DID come a across some pix from a several years ago
>>  celebrating P9 being ported to the big IBM mainframes.
>>  Nothing much seems to have COME from it, but it IS
>>  there for the Big Computing world.
>>
>
> But OpenVMS has been ported to x86. Or does the port lack some feature
> you want?

My complaint is that it's not really "open" per-se,
but licensed.

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On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

>> Wow, you are a hero! I am surprised that the school did not kick you out
>> based on everything I have heard about Jordan Peterson fighting to be
>> able to address people as he or she. Maybe there are small pockets of
>> freedom in canada?
>
> Jordan Peterson was in Ontario which has already submitted to the religion of
> wokeness. I'm in Quebec. Woke is regularly criticized by some of the media
> but for a teacher, it's still risky to go against it. When I was teaching on
> the West end of the city to Anglophones, it was clear that having an opinion
> contrary to that of the woke was risky. That's why I returned to teaching
> Francophones who absolutely despise anything which might weaken their
> culture. The French language and Quebec culture comes first to them, and
> that's fine by me.

Interesting! I had no idea, but thank you for the information.

>> It is also interesting to note that they are herd animals and only
>> attack when they have superiority in numbers. When they don't they are
>> soft and meek.
>
> It helps that I am twice the size of even the largest Muslims in the school.
> Even if they were to try to pick a fight, they wouldn't get very far.

Ahh... how nice it would be! ;) Being not that big, I have to rely on
sending that message with my mind and body language instead of with my
body as a whole. ;)

>> Great idea! I think I shall do the same when teaching this autumn. Do
>> you have a link? =)
>
> To the wallpaper? This is the one I was using:
> <https://www.pxfuel.com/en/desktop-wallpaper-doajt>
>

Thank you very much!

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

>> My father and I (who share a gasoline car, how's that for _real_ green!;) )
>> have always driven Renault or Volvo and we've had them about 15 years or so
>> and there never was any transmission problems.
>
> I had a Volvo s40 2001 as my first car. It was a fun enough drive but I had a
> bunch of problems with it along the way. I still think I could have gotten to
> 1,000,000 km with it if I wanted to, but it was already rusting prematurely
> in 2004 and by the time I got rid of it in 2010, I had already gotten to
> 210,000km with it. I felt like I needed something newer and got a Jeep
> Patriot. Looking back, I should have held on to the Volvo since the Patriot
> was a serious piece of poop.

It will be interesting to see what car I will buy next time in about 1-5
years or so. I've been trying to propose to my wife that we should stop
flying, since the security theater, delays and generally the bad
experience of sharing a plane with loud drunks, screaming children etc.
gets too much on my nerves, and if she does buy into that idea (which I
doubt) we'll need to buy a car that would be comfortable to drive for 8
hours at a stretch. We'd need a really quiet car. But let's see what the
future holds. Maybe I can buy my own small DA-42 instead to solve the
flying problem! ;)

>> The problems I can think of have been mostly related to the electrical
>> system (windows, warning lights not shutting off etc.). Once the handbrake
>> got stuck also. Otherwise, the cars have been a dream to own and drive for
>> up to 15 years which is the point at which we usually sell them and buy 1-3
>> year old car.
>
> Fifteen years is what everyone should try to get out of a car, in my opinion.
> Like you, I would have liked to buy them three years used too. However, I
> have a wife who insists on having a luxury car and she hates the thought of
> buying a car someone else's ass has been in so new is the only option.

Yes, I wonder how many Tesla owners hold on to their tesla for 15 years?
;) My problem with my wife is that she needs culture so she won't let us
move away to a forest somewhere for a peaceful life. But what can you do? ;)

On Tue, 6 Aug 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 8/5/24 9:02 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/4/24 1:10 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> On 2024-08-04, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     And if any young gurus have envisioned some new OS with
>>>>>     much of the Linux goodness/solidity/simplicity - now's the
>>>>>     time to really get into writing it.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever happened to Plan 9?
>>>
>>>  P9 is still out there, still works, almost overkill
>>>  for single-user boxes/servers. It was really writ
>>>  for big clusters/distributed.
>>>
>>>  But there's not enough interest/$$$ to push it forward
>>>  very much or get developers to port newer code.
>>>
>>>  I'd love to see VMS revived for the 21st century.
>>>  It was a really good, versatile, advanced OS that
>>>  did 'net' back when 'net' was 110-baud modems.
>>>  Alas, so far, VMS is still "owned" - not freeware
>>>  or 'abandonedware' like P9.
>>>
>>>  Oh, DID come a across some pix from a several years ago
>>>  celebrating P9 being ported to the big IBM mainframes.
>>>  Nothing much seems to have COME from it, but it IS
>>>  there for the Big Computing world.
>>>
>>
>> But OpenVMS has been ported to x86. Or does the port lack some feature you
>> want?
>
>
> My complaint is that it's not really "open" per-se,
> but licensed.

Ahhh, ok, that explains it.

> "Please provide the information in the form below to help us qualify your
> application for this evaluation. It is very important that you indicate if
> your application is for Commercial or Community use. PLEASE NOTE: If you have
> previously been provided an evaluation license and your license is still
> valid, you do not need to reapply to access the latest release as it is
> available to you in the Service Portal. If you have an expiring Commercial
> evaluation that you would like to extend, please contact your VMS Account
> Manager. If your application is approved, you will receive an email with
> instructions for accessing 9.2-2 within two weeks of your submission."
>
>

On 06/08/2024 09:50, D wrote:
>
>
> It will be interesting to see what car I will buy next time in about 1-5
> years or so. I've been trying to propose to my wife that we should stop
> flying, since the security theater, delays and generally the bad
> experience of sharing a plane with loud drunks, screaming children etc.
> gets too much on my nerves, and if she does buy into that idea (which I
> doubt) we'll need to buy a car that would be comfortable to drive for 8
> hours at a stretch. We'd need a really quiet car.

You are describing a Jaguar luxury saloon. :-)

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“Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of
a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

Dennis Miller