On 7/31/24 10:00, Peter Flass wrote:
> Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
>> In article <193f251e-a783-102b-188e-cf0e86340cb3@example.net>,
>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Jul 2024, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>>> confined to the man who takes care of a horse.
>>>>> And leftists who believe that it is appropriate to talk about sex with
>>>>> toddlers and have them participate in faggot parade festivities where
>>>>> there are naked men rubbing against one another.
>>>>>
>>>>>> This has nothing to do with Linux, linux advocacy or folklore about
>>>>>> computers.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has everything to do with Linux now since Linux has been conquered by
>>>>> these grooming, brain-damaged demons.
>>>>
>>>> Oh fuck off!
>>>
>>> Very powerful statement. Very powerful.
>>
>> It's indicative of the thought process of the average shitlib.
>>
>
> Or the average sane person. Read my lips NO ONE CARES!
>
Sorry ascii only and your lips, thin or luscious are
totally invisible.
bliss

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On 7/31/24 14:28, % wrote:
> chrisv wrote:
>> Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>>> Read my lips NO ONE CARES!
>>
>> That's why things have gotten so bad.
>>
> they aren't that bad you've just been convinced they are

I think you hit the nail on the head. Plus he may
have been convinced that different people are responsibly
for what he perceives as societal "bad."
For example the decades long attempt of very well
off people to escape taxation has lead to enormous inflation.
Covid-19 and the Russian War on the Ukraine State led to
further inflation. But the latest attempt to keep billions
in the hands of the billionaires was by Trump. The Trump
tax plan is to drop the weight of the taxation on people
who barely survive on whatever income they receive for
whichever reason. All those billionaires and their
corporations remained highly profitable during the epidemic
when my neighbors had to move because they had no work.

bliss

--
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On 31/07/2024 21:11, D wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>>> By the very nature of them being unanswerable, the connection between
>>> them and the world is nil.
>>
>> Completely wrong.
>> Consider the statement 'everything is caused by some other things'
>
> Already here we go wrong. Since we do not know _everything_, that
> statement makes no sense.
>
> Let me instead focus on the question, can we prove causation. I offer
> the following:
>
> Randomized Controlled Trials (RCTs): The gold standard for proving
> causation is through randomized controlled experiments. In an RCT,
> participants are randomly assigned to either a treatment group or a
> control group. This randomization helps ensure that any differences in
> outcomes can be attributed solely to the treatment being tested, thus
> providing strong evidence for causality.
>
> Observational Studies with Instrumental Variables: When RCTs are not
> feasible, researchers often rely on observational studies. Here,
> identifying instrumental variables—factors that influence the treatment
> but do not directly affect the outcome—can help establish causal
> relationships. For example, if a new policy is implemented at a specific
> time affecting only certain groups, comparing outcomes before and after
> can provide insights into causal effects.

They prove nothing.

Other than causality seems to work.

>>
>> This assumption cannot be proved to be true. It is a metaphysical
>> statement, and yet it is the basis for all classical science.
>
> I already disagreed with your sentence, and offered 2 ways in which we
> can prove causation.

They are both faux ways.
They prove nothing

>
>>> We have hypothesis and experiment that tells
>>> us there is an external world which such certainty, that the burden
>>> of proof is on the one who does not believe in the external world, to
>>> disprove the external world, and no one has so far succeeded at that.
>>>
>>
>> Irrelevant in this context. An external world is a simple way to
>> explain our lack of total freedom to be what we want and experience
>> what we want. Doesnt mean its true, juts means its a very good and
>> useful explanation.
>
> If you do not accept it, then you have the burden of proof. Prove to me
> an alternative to the external world, and I'll gladly read this first
> break through in philosophy since it began.
>
here you go again with 'proof'
There is no proof of anything in metaphsyics. Proof is impossible with
inductive logic.
Only deductive logic can prove that given a set of assumptins, certain
results are inevitably true.

That never however validates those assumptions.

Ith indictoive logic, There are only models that work, and models that
don't.

> Meanwhlie, in terms of the external world, let me present you to G.E.
> Moore and the "hand".
>
> The argument takes the following form:
>
> Here is one hand,
> And here is another.
> There are at least two external objects in the world.
> Therefore, an external world exists.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_is_one_hand .
>

Again its trite and misses the actual point.

You are hung up on the classic idealism/realism debate. Things moved on
with Kant.

The problem is neither the scientists or the woke crowd moved in with him.

>>> Metaphysics, at least on usenet, tends to devolve into solipsism or
>>> aggressive skepticism, which is a dead end.
>>
>> Not with me it don't.
>
> Yes.

No, You are exercising metaphysics to make a baseless statement about
me that is not upheld by reason, but by belief.

>
>> In fact in the context of  the application of belief systems and
>> anti-science to today's political landscape, if you don't understand
>> it, you are a bit fucked, frankly.
>
> I'm not talking about it. You have Moores answer above. QED. If it was
> good enough for a Professor of Philosophy at the University of
> Cambridge, it's good enough for me.

I think that you have entirely missed the point. What you seem to think
metaphysics is, is in fact idealism. The proposition that the world is
all in the mind.

But equally the proposition that the external material world exists and
we are witness to it, is also metaphysics.

You are hung up trying to prove that *one* metaphysical position is
'true' , Because you are a believer in Realism.

I merely point out that the nature of inductive reasoning is such that
their can be no *demonstrably* true propositions in it.

We take everything on trust, because it works.

Your two examples merely show stuff works, not that it is *necessarily
true*.

The human world and science is models all the way down. Right down to
the principle that causality and natural law are time indeterminate
absolute immutable principles, that exist in the world and not in our minds.

Kant challenged that. He said a model in which yes, there was a world,
but its nature was unknown, and it was the human mind that gave it shape
and quality and number, space and time and split it into one thing and
another connected by causality, worked rather better than the stolid
materialism of Newton etc.

A posit8in which has gradually become more acceptable as science has
progressed to the quantum era, in which the 'world in itself' of Kant is
a sort of soup of quantum probabilities . That bear no resemblance to
the 'material world' which is a sense does not exits except as our
interpretation of the quantum world.

In the same way that these words you are reading do not exist unless you
have a complex computer on which to view them.

The material world is, so to speak, the screen of pixels. The underlying
explanation is a giant computer that bears no resemblance to the
pictures in its screen.

Some people run command line, some a GUI and the woke brigade are
running Windows.

They think that because fiddling with the computer can change the
picture on the screen, that means that reality is whatever they want it
to be.

The equally dumb rational materialist says that the computer cant be
fiddled with and the picture IS reality.

The hardware engineer knows that they are both wrong. The computer can
be fiddled with to change the picture, but the picture is not the real
world, merely some way of getting to grips with it.

--
WOKE is an acronym... Without Originality, Knowledge or Education.

On 31/07/2024 21:16, D wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>> You are what you are, and coming to terms with it is called 'growing
>>> up' and rubbing other peoples noses in it is just childish.
>>
>> Forcing people to play with you and by your rules is the ultimate form
>> of bullying. Threatening to get people fired or have their life
>> destroyed because they are not surrendering to what you've imagined is
>> what we can expect from these pedophiles.
>>
>
> Yes, that is the sinister and dagenrous truth. Just like in Nazi
> germany, or the soviet union, if they get control over society, society
> will soon self destruct.
>
> But Trump will at least save the US from that fate in the autumn, so
> that's a small relief! =)

I think that races is not such a foregone conclusion. Trump V Biden was
the least worst., Trump V Harris is much more a devil and the deep blue sea.

Kamala will be a disaster for America, Trump might be a disaster for
Europe and the rest of the free world.

Which ultimately is bad news for the USA as well.

--
Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle
more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump
their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the
battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is
that they are dead.
Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.

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> On 31/07/2024 21:16, D wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> <who cares?>
>>>
>> <k00ksnip>
>
> I think that races is not such a foregone conclusion. Trump V Biden was
> the least worst., Trump V Harris is much more a devil and the deep blue sea.
>
> Kamala will be a disaster for America,

:-D

> Trump might be a disaster for
> Europe and the rest of the free world.
>
> Which ultimately is bad news for the USA as well.

Econmists tend to believe that Trump's stated policies will increase inflation,
if not cause a recession.

--
You will be married within a year.

On 01/08/2024 11:50, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 31/07/2024 21:16, D wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> <who cares?>
>>>>
>>> <k00ksnip>
>>
>> I think that races is not such a foregone conclusion. Trump V Biden was
>> the least worst., Trump V Harris is much more a devil and the deep blue sea.
>>
>> Kamala will be a disaster for America,
>
> :-D
>
>> Trump might be a disaster for
>> Europe and the rest of the free world.
>>
>> Which ultimately is bad news for the USA as well.
>
> Econmists tend to believe that Trump's stated policies will increase inflation,
> if not cause a recession.
>

Economists are all closet communists who believe in state control, not
the free market Otherwise they lose their jobs and status

--
For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the
very definition of slavery.

Jonathan Swift

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>> Kamala will be a disaster for America,
>
> :-D

You see, folks, Chris A is a bleeding heart liberal. He has no
problem at all if the person who was ranked THE MOST LIBERAL senator
in the country were to become president. He has no problem with
*every* aspect radical leftist agenda being enforced.

On 01/08/2024 13:03, chrisv wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>>> Kamala will be a disaster for America,
>>
>> :-D
>
> You see, folks, Chris A is a bleeding heart liberal. He has no
> problem at all if the person who was ranked THE MOST LIBERAL senator
> in the country were to become president. He has no problem with
> *every* aspect radical leftist agenda being enforced.
>

Personally, living in the UK, and having visited East Germany and the
Czech republic just after the wall came down, I believe that any price
is worth paying to put Putin back in his cage.

Sadly that means a woke wet liberal carefully crafted eco bullshit and
more state control of the US economy.

It is not a pleasant prospect, either way.

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.
-- Yogi Berra

On 2024-07-31 6:21 p.m., Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 7/31/24 13:16, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>>> You are what you are, and coming to terms with it is called 'growing
>>>> up' and rubbing other peoples noses in it is just childish.
>>>
>>> Forcing people to play with you and by your rules is the ultimate
>>> form of bullying. Threatening to get people fired or have their life
>>> destroyed because they are not surrendering to what you've imagined
>>> is what we can expect from these pedophiles.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, that is the sinister and dagenrous truth. Just like in Nazi
>> germany, or the soviet union, if they get control over society, society
>> will soon self destruct.
>>
>> But Trump will at least save the US from that fate in the autumn, so
>> that's a small relief! =)
>
>     Do you stand on your head all day long in order to get the
> absurd viewpoint you espouse? TRump has promised to do away with
> elections and to be a dictator from day 1.

Cite please, you ridiculous imbecile.

> Are you a paid operative
> of the Petroleum Industry?

I repeat: you ridiculous imbecile.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On 2024-07-31 6:39 p.m., Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 7/31/24 14:28, % wrote:
>> chrisv wrote:
>>> Peter Flass wrote:
>>>
>>>> Read my lips NO ONE CARES!
>>>
>>> That's why things have gotten so bad.
>>>
>> they aren't that bad you've just been convinced they are
>
>     I think you hit the nail on the head. Plus he may
> have been convinced that different people are responsibly
> for what he perceives as societal "bad."
>     For example the decades long attempt of very well
> off people to escape taxation has lead to enormous inflation.
> Covid-19 and the Russian War on the Ukraine State led to
> further inflation.

Both of which were unnecessary and should not have been participated in
at all by the American people.

> But the latest attempt to keep billions
> in the hands of the billionaires was by Trump. The Trump
> tax plan is to drop the weight of the taxation on people
> who barely survive on whatever income they receive for
> whichever reason.

Cite please, you ridiculous cretin.

< snip >

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

On 2024-08-01 6:50 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 31/07/2024 21:16, D wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> <who cares?>
>>>>
>>> <k00ksnip>
>>
>> I think that races is not such a foregone conclusion. Trump V Biden was
>> the least worst., Trump V Harris is much more a devil and the deep blue sea.
>>
>> Kamala will be a disaster for America,
>
> :-D
>
>> Trump might be a disaster for
>> Europe and the rest of the free world.
>>
>> Which ultimately is bad news for the USA as well.
>
> Econmists tend to believe that Trump's stated policies will increase inflation,
> if not cause a recession.

Economists also believe that there are no negative repercussions to
Keynesian economics and believed that there was no reason to worry about
banks in 2008.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged demonic groomers

The Natural Philosopher wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 01/08/2024 11:50, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 31/07/2024 21:16, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <who cares?>
>>>>>
>>>> <k00ksnip>
>>>
>>> I think that races is not such a foregone conclusion. Trump V Biden was
>>> the least worst., Trump V Harris is much more a devil and the deep blue sea.
>>>
>>> Kamala will be a disaster for America,
>>
>> :-D
>>
>>> Trump might be a disaster for
>>> Europe and the rest of the free world.
>>>
>>> Which ultimately is bad news for the USA as well.
>>
>> Econmists tend to believe that Trump's stated policies will increase inflation,
>> if not cause a recession.
>
> Economists are all closet communists who believe in state control, not
> the free market Otherwise they lose their jobs and status

You mean like Alan Greenspan? :-D

--
Q: What do you call a blind, deaf-mute, quadraplegic Virginian?
A: Trustworthy.

The Natural Philosopher wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 01/08/2024 13:03, chrisv wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>>> Kamala will be a disaster for America,
>>>
>>> :-D
>>
>> You see, folks, Chris A is a bleeding heart liberal. He has no
>> problem at all if the person who was ranked THE MOST LIBERAL senator
>> in the country were to become president.

The site that claimed that in 2019, govtrack.us (a hobby project at first)
took down that claim because the report cards were considered unreliable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GovTrack

In July 2024, GovTrack was criticized for deleting its single-year
legislator report card for Kamala Harris which ranked her as "most liberal
senator in 2019".[8] Critics claimed it was to protect Kamala Harris'
legislative reputation on her elevation to presumptive Democrat
presidential candidate, while GovTrack defended its decision, saying it was
removed because their report cards are unreliable.

>> He has no problem with
>> *every* aspect radical leftist agenda being enforced.

Ha, this clown knows only a little bit about me. "Radical leftist" Jesus you
guys are drama queens.

> Personally, living in the UK, and having visited East Germany and the
> Czech republic just after the wall came down, I believe that any price
> is worth paying to put Putin back in his cage.
>
> Sadly that means a woke wet liberal carefully crafted eco bullshit and
> more state control of the US economy.
>
> It is not a pleasant prospect, either way.

The U.S., let alone the world, is roiling with issues all over the map.
There's no sensible way to present a solution to it all, no way to satisfy
everyone. Throw stupid statements, propaganda, and fscking lies into the mix,
and it gets difficult to think straight.

I do get a laugh about "the most liberal", as if that's necessarily a bad
thing, given the benefits that have accrued from some progressive policies over
the decades.

And to call any member of the U.S. Congress a "radical leftist" is just
asinine. (The same people might call the Democratic and Republican parties "the
Uniparty", go figure).

--
You have no real enemies.

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>>The Natural Philosopher wrote and chrisv just snipped that reference:

>>> Kamala will be a disaster for America,
>>
>> :-D
>
>You see, folks, Chris A is a bleeding heart liberal. He has no
>problem at all if the person who was ranked THE MOST LIBERAL senator
>in the country were to become president. He has no problem with
>*every* aspect radical leftist agenda being enforced.

They said Obama was the most liberal senator, and he governed fairly
to the right/center as president, save for social liberation policy
that belonged on what is erroneously called the far left. I think
you're just a Trump supporting fascist.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 01/08/2024 16:17, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 01/08/2024 11:50, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 31/07/2024 21:16, D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <who cares?>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <k00ksnip>
>>>>
>>>> I think that races is not such a foregone conclusion. Trump V Biden was
>>>> the least worst., Trump V Harris is much more a devil and the deep blue sea.
>>>>
>>>> Kamala will be a disaster for America,
>>>
>>> :-D
>>>
>>>> Trump might be a disaster for
>>>> Europe and the rest of the free world.
>>>>
>>>> Which ultimately is bad news for the USA as well.
>>>
>>> Econmists tend to believe that Trump's stated policies will increase inflation,
>>> if not cause a recession.
>>
>> Economists are all closet communists who believe in state control, not
>> the free market Otherwise they lose their jobs and status
>
> You mean like Alan Greenspan? :-D
>
I hadn't noticed him
(a) being around these days
(b) being any use when he was.
(c) being as libertarian as he claimed.
He was directly reposnsible for interest rates, not the market.

--
In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone
gets full Marx.

On 2024-07-31, Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com>
wrote:

> Trump has promised to do away with elections and to be a dictator
> from day 1.

Actually, he said he'd be a dictator _on_ day 1, not _from_ day 1.
However, history shows us that at the end of day 1 there are always
a few loose ends left to tie up, so he'll have to be a dictator on
day 2 as well. And at the end of day 2 there will be just one more
problem to fix, so now we're into day 3. Lather, rinse, repeat.

I can already hear the slogan for the next election: "No 22 in 28!"

(i.e. there will still be some final tweaks remaining, so we can't let
some little thing like the 22nd Amendment stand in the way of getting
the job done)

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | We'll go down in history as the
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | first society that wouldn't save
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | itself because it wasn't cost-
/ \ if you read it the right way. | effective. -- Kurt Vonnegut

On 8/1/24 03:50, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

Why do not people maintain a filter against this RWNJ Troll?
>
>> On 31/07/2024 21:16, D wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> <who cares?>
>>>>
>>> <k00ksnip>
>>
>> I think that races is not such a foregone conclusion. Trump V Biden was
>> the least worst., Trump V Harris is much more a devil and the deep blue sea.
>>
>> Kamala will be a disaster for America,
>
> :-D

May for his class of American it would be a disaster especially if
Harris is able to move the Biden Tax Reforms onward. The bid disaster
that might happen is if a Republican Senator said before Barack
Obama did anything but be sworn in that this person must be a one
term President and yet he got two terms because the people saw that
the right wing in the Congress and Senate obstructe his reforms but
he still got a crippled Health Care bill through the Congress.

>
>> Trump might be a disaster for
>> Europe and the rest of the free world.
>>
>> Which ultimately is bad news for the USA as well.
>
> Econmists tend to believe that Trump's stated policies will increase inflation,
> if not cause a recession.
>
Trump's policies plus Project 2025 will result in a Fascistic America
ruled by theocrats who general have failed to read the bible.
Otherwise they would know that it condones abortion and that Transgender
people are mentioned as "those who become Eunuches for the sake of God."

I went to 3 different Protestant churches and one Catholic
High School where antisemitic preaching was an event held in the
Gym. I am neither an atheist nor an agnostic but it was not due
to anything I was taught in those religious places.

bliss

--
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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>>> He has no problem with
>>> *every* aspect radical leftist agenda being enforced.
>
>Ha, this clown knows only a little bit about me.

Yet not one denial of my point. Not one counter-example.

On 8/1/24 08:17, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 01/08/2024 11:50, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 31/07/2024 21:16, D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <who cares?>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <k00ksnip>
>>>>
>>>> I think that races is not such a foregone conclusion. Trump V Biden was
>>>> the least worst., Trump V Harris is much more a devil and the deep blue sea.
>>>>
>>>> Kamala will be a disaster for America,
>>>
>>> :-D
>>>
>>>> Trump might be a disaster for
>>>> Europe and the rest of the free world.
>>>>
>>>> Which ultimately is bad news for the USA as well.
>>>
>>> Econmists tend to believe that Trump's stated policies will increase inflation,
>>> if not cause a recession.
>>
>> Economists are all closet communists who believe in state control, not
>> the free market Otherwise they lose their jobs and status
>
> You mean like Alan Greenspan? :-D
>
Well you have the stomach for the RWNJ that i do not.
Inflation has been caused by the long term Trickle Down polices
endorsed by the Republicans and the failure to tax the beneficiaries
of War and Economic Crisis at the proper rates. Poor folks die
in wars and wealthy people profit, as they did in 2008 and in
in the Covid-19 restrictions. If it hurts the poor the rich
are generally raking it in. This goes back to JFK, a rich
Democrat, cutting the taxes on the wealthy, aka his set and
continued thru Reagan, Bush I and Bush II and hopefully
ending with Trump 45.
The billionaires of today are fearful of a Wealth Tax
which might get more money back into circulation among the
least well-compensated who generally do jobs in the food and
hospitality industries.

But the un-Natural Philospher is just a mindless
repeater of slurs, otherwise he would be paying attention
to real science and demanding more electric cars for the
sake of reducing climate changing emmissions.
bliss - no race but the multi-hued human race is worth discussion.

--
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Chris Ahlstrom wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> The U.S., let alone the world, is roiling with issues all over the map.
> There's no sensible way to present a solution to it all, no way to satisfy
> everyone. Throw stupid statements, propaganda, and fscking lies into the mix,
> and it gets difficult to think straight.
>
> I do get a laugh about "the most liberal", as if that's necessarily a bad
> thing, given the benefits that have accrued from some progressive policies over
> the decades.
>
> And to call any member of the U.S. Congress a "radical leftist" is just
> asinine. (The same people might call the Democratic and Republican parties "the
> Uniparty", go figure).

More:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/how-kamala-harris-can-fight-the-too-liberal-label.html

The “old ranking” in question was a one-year profile of senators from GovTrack
in 2019. It was a very dubious enterprise that rated senators as “liberal” or
“conservative” strictly on the basis of how many bipartisan bills they
sponsored or co-sponsored; it did not factor in actual voting in the Senate or
differentiate between significant or insignificant legislation. The rating was
discontinued after 2019. Its deployment as a campaign weapon is highly
reminiscent of the use of a National Journal rating in 2004, which labeled
Kerry as the “most liberal senator.” At least in Kerry’s case, the rating was
based on his voting record rather than the meaningless metric of bill
co-sponsorships. But it also failed to distinguish major from minor
legislation.

Harris critics will be on firmer ground in attacking specific policy positions
she has taken, particularly during her presidential campaign; like nearly every
other Democratic candidate in the 2020 cycle, she backed decriminalizing (but
not indiscriminately allowing) border crossings. And she co-sponsored Bernie
Sanders’s Medicare for All bill while later supporting Medicare expansions that
did not preclude private health insurance. During her candidacy, Harris briefly
supported a ban on fracking but walked that position back after joining Biden’s
ticket.

To a large extent, Harris’s issues profile is right in the center of her party,
and Republicans waving the “too liberal” banner may just simply excoriate
positions very common among Democrats, such as support for what the Trump
campaign calls the Green New Scam and federal abortion-rights legislation.

.. . .

But just as Republicans went directly after Kerry’s military record to
undermine a source of strength and perceived moderation, they will now go after
Harris’s record as a prosecutor in Oakland, in San Francisco, and as attorney
general of California with demagogic zeal. They will use every bit of real and
manufactured evidence to suggest that like famed “rogue” California prosecutors
Chesa Boudin and George Gascon, Harris is a crime abettor, rather than a crime
fighter, and a radical advocate for defunding the police and emptying the
prisons. It is worth noting that one of the main impresarios of the
“swiftboating” of Kerry in 2004 is now Trump’s co–campaign manager Chris
LaCivita.

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You're currently going through a difficult transition period called "Life."

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>And to call any member of the U.S. Congress a "radical leftist" is just
>asinine.

Really? Even "the squad"? It's assinine to deny that they are
radical leftists.

Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

> I went to 3 different Protestant churches and one Catholic
>High School where antisemitic preaching was an event held in the
>Gym. I am neither an atheist nor an agnostic but it was not due
>to anything I was taught in those religious places.

Maybe it was due to yours truly being in alt.drugs.psychedelics!

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 8/1/24 14:55, chrisv wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> And to call any member of the U.S. Congress a "radical leftist" is just
>> asinine.
>
> Really? Even "the squad"? It's assinine to deny that they are
> radical leftists.
>
That depends on the meanings you assign to "radical" and to "leftist."
The Republicans consider all labor activists to be "Leftists".
And the Republicans consider everyone who supports progressive
taxation and realistic taxation to be "radical". So that means that
Biden is a radical leftist. Not by any means a real Communist but
certainly far enough to the Left to be demonized by Republicans of the
Trump stripe (yellow right down the back for Mr.Heel Spurs.)

These days the Republicans tend to violate the voting remarks
in the Constitution that every citizen is entitled to the franchise
(aka the vote). Of course citizenship has been extended to include women
and people other than white, but they resist allowing the darker skinned
to vote without harassment both at the polls and at home.
Was reading earlier today the testimony of Democrats in red states who
had their cars vandalized for the Democratic bumper stickers. Vandalism
was basically tire slashing.
Not even i do that to Trumpians though we don't have too
many in our hilly city. Heel spurs are very uncomfortable going
up or down hill on foot.

bliss

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b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>>And to call any member of the U.S. Congress a "radical leftist" is just
>>asinine.
>
>Really? Even "the squad"? It's assinine to deny that they are
>radical leftists.

No, Chris A. was correct, and you are, as usual, a snippy and stupid
little boy.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> That depends on the meanings you assign to "radical" and to "leftist."
> The Republicans consider all labor activists to be "Leftists".
> And the Republicans consider everyone who supports progressive
>taxation and realistic taxation to be "radical". So that means that
>Biden is a radical leftist.

The usual made-up nonsense from the left. It takes far more than
those things to be called a "radical" leftists.

The left is far worse, of course, often calling people "white
supremacists" simply for voting Republican!