I've been having trouble getting my machines to sleep/standby/suspend
(basically anything that isn't hibernate).

The issue I'm having is that anytime I have it initiate any of the
states listed above (and all variants), I can never pull it out of
sleep. Resume doesn't happen when pressing on the keyboard or moving the
mouse. In fact, even pressing the power button won't rez the system to
resume. Funny enough the CPU fan will still spin in all sleep states
(except hibernate) but no other fans do.

And this isn't just 1 machine. I've got 5 right now with this problem
and all have the exact same symptom (CPU fan running), 2 on Arch (I
think one of those might actually be Manjaro), 1 is Gentoo and the rest
are Debian. All updated to the current latest of their respective
distro's and none have the same hardware. 2 are using GIGABYTE
Motherboards (one has an nVIDIA GPU), 1 is using an MSI motherboard and
the other 2 are Intel motherboards (yeah, I still have em).

Hibernate works like a charm so right now I've just been using that but
I'd really like to get some type of sleep state other then hibernate
working. Any recommendations? I've been though the man pages and online
and there just doesn't seem to be much about this issue.

I've also looked at /sys/power/ to ensure support is there, which is it
for the states I'm targeting in the /etc/systemd/sleep.conf file. I've
looked at that file for days. I feel like there is something simple I'm
missing.

In case it matters I'm running KDE on all machines. Some are using SDDM
and some are on startx.

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Phillip <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> writes:
> I've been having trouble getting my machines to sleep/standby/suspend
> (basically anything that isn't hibernate).
>
> The issue I'm having is that anytime I have it initiate any of the
> states listed above (and all variants), I can never pull it out of
> sleep. Resume doesn't happen when pressing on the keyboard or moving
> the mouse. In fact, even pressing the power button won't rez the
> system to resume. Funny enough the CPU fan will still spin in all
> sleep states (except hibernate) but no other fans do.

My partner’s computer has a similar issue. Based on some reading around
the subject the kernel is crashing, most likely in some driver, while
putting the computer to sleep.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend describes how to get some
debug information about this. We didn’t try to follow it; she just
doesn’t suspend the computer.

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On 04/01/2025 17:02, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> Phillip <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> writes:
>> I've been having trouble getting my machines to sleep/standby/suspend
>> (basically anything that isn't hibernate).
>>
>> The issue I'm having is that anytime I have it initiate any of the
>> states listed above (and all variants), I can never pull it out of
>> sleep. Resume doesn't happen when pressing on the keyboard or moving
>> the mouse. In fact, even pressing the power button won't rez the
>> system to resume. Funny enough the CPU fan will still spin in all
>> sleep states (except hibernate) but no other fans do.
>
> My partner’s computer has a similar issue. Based on some reading around
> the subject the kernel is crashing, most likely in some driver, while
> putting the computer to sleep.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend describes how to get some
> debug information about this. We didn’t try to follow it; she just
> doesn’t suspend the computer.
>
It's been a feature of some hardware since forever.
My laptops never used to resume after a 'lid down' event.

But the latest one does...

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On 1/4/25 12:02 PM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> Phillip <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> writes:
>> I've been having trouble getting my machines to sleep/standby/suspend
>> (basically anything that isn't hibernate).
>>
>> The issue I'm having is that anytime I have it initiate any of the
>> states listed above (and all variants), I can never pull it out of
>> sleep. Resume doesn't happen when pressing on the keyboard or moving
>> the mouse. In fact, even pressing the power button won't rez the
>> system to resume. Funny enough the CPU fan will still spin in all
>> sleep states (except hibernate) but no other fans do.
>
> My partner’s computer has a similar issue. Based on some reading around
> the subject the kernel is crashing, most likely in some driver, while
> putting the computer to sleep.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend describes how to get some
> debug information about this. We didn’t try to follow it; she just
> doesn’t suspend the computer.
>

It never occurred to me to look at the kernel. Thanks for sharing. I'll
try that angle.

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On 2025-01-04 22:17, Phillip wrote:
> On 1/4/25 12:02 PM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>> Phillip <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> writes:
>>> I've been having trouble getting my machines to sleep/standby/suspend
>>> (basically anything that isn't hibernate).
>>>
>>> The issue I'm having is that anytime I have it initiate any of the
>>> states listed above (and all variants), I can never pull it out of
>>> sleep. Resume doesn't happen when pressing on the keyboard or moving
>>> the mouse. In fact, even pressing the power button won't rez the
>>> system to resume. Funny enough the CPU fan will still spin in all
>>> sleep states (except hibernate) but no other fans do.
>>
>> My partner’s computer has a similar issue. Based on some reading around
>> the subject the kernel is crashing, most likely in some driver, while
>> putting the computer to sleep.
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend describes how to get some
>> debug information about this. We didn’t try to follow it; she just
>> doesn’t suspend the computer.
>>
>
> It never occurred to me to look at the kernel. Thanks for sharing. I'll
> try that angle.

Depends on your distro. For example, openSUSE Leap had a bug with those
symptoms about a month ago, the kernel would crash on restore from
hibernation. A recent update solved it.

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On Sat, 04 Jan 2025 17:02:41 +0000, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

> My partner’s computer has a similar issue. Based on some reading around
> the subject the kernel is crashing, most likely in some driver, while
> putting the computer to sleep.

To further complicate things my Windows 11 laptop doesn't do sleep well if
a WSL instance is running. I've got the feeling it's related to turning
off the display. I may have the wrong terminology but it can hibernate
okay and doesn't take too long to return to an operation state.

When I first got the laptop I had it boxed up to return to Amazon but
decided to find a workaround if I could.

Phillip wrote:
> I've been having trouble getting my machines to sleep/standby/suspend
> (basically anything that isn't hibernate).
>
> The issue I'm having is that anytime I have it initiate any of the
> states listed above (and all variants), I can never pull it out of
> sleep. Resume doesn't happen when pressing on the keyboard or moving the
> mouse. In fact, even pressing the power button won't rez the system to
> resume. Funny enough the CPU fan will still spin in all sleep states
> (except hibernate) but no other fans do.
>
> And this isn't just 1 machine. I've got 5 right now with this problem
> and all have the exact same symptom (CPU fan running), 2 on Arch (I
> think one of those might actually be Manjaro), 1 is Gentoo and the rest
> are Debian. All updated to the current latest of their respective
> distro's and none have the same hardware. 2 are using GIGABYTE
> Motherboards (one has an nVIDIA GPU), 1 is using an MSI motherboard and
> the other 2 are Intel motherboards (yeah, I still have em).
>
> Hibernate works like a charm so right now I've just been using that but
> I'd really like to get some type of sleep state other then hibernate
> working. Any recommendations? I've been though the man pages and online
> and there just doesn't seem to be much about this issue.
>
> I've also looked at /sys/power/ to ensure support is there, which is it
> for the states I'm targeting in the /etc/systemd/sleep.conf file. I've
> looked at that file for days. I feel like there is something simple I'm
> missing.
>
> In case it matters I'm running KDE on all machines. Some are using SDDM
> and some are on startx.
>
>

I have one machine similar. Fans keep running in sleep mode, and
keyboard doesn't wake it up. So have to turn it off and on again.

On 1/4/25 8:00 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Jan 2025 17:02:41 +0000, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>
>> My partner’s computer has a similar issue. Based on some reading around
>> the subject the kernel is crashing, most likely in some driver, while
>> putting the computer to sleep.
>
> To further complicate things my Windows 11 laptop doesn't do sleep well if
> a WSL instance is running. I've got the feeling it's related to turning
> off the display. I may have the wrong terminology but it can hibernate
> okay and doesn't take too long to return to an operation state.
>
> When I first got the laptop I had it boxed up to return to Amazon but
> decided to find a workaround if I could.

Remember CP/M and DOS ... fueled a huge computer revolution
in Biz and Science - and they'd fit on a low-density floppy
with room to spare. I sometimes despair when I hear people
bitch about how their i9 isn't fast enough or Win or Lin
don't have drivers for the latest bit of off-brand tech
junk they bought direct from AliBaba.

But people want computers to be 'magic', solve all, do all.
This led to COMPLICATED systems and software and the need
for hot-running expensive hardware and gigabit networks.
Then they wonder why it all never seems to work right ...

Is the problem insufficient hardware/software - or
more like 'ridiculous expectations' ?

I started with Usenet and the similar Compuserve Groups
using DOS boxes and a 12/2400 modem. Actually used CS with
the modem attached to a dumb terminal ... ATTD .....

Oh, and chemical-film cameras can yield high-rez pix.
I have a Pentax 6x7 medium format - beautiful ! It
just ain't "instant". Take the RIGHT shot, not 99
kinda-sorta-maybe shots.

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 10:48:06 -0500, Phillip wrote:

> I've been having trouble getting my machines to sleep/standby/suspend
> (basically anything that isn't hibernate).

I’ve had about 5 Linux laptops over the years (3 of which were actually
sold new with some kind of Linux installed), and I’ve never had trouble
with sleep on any of them.

I know hibernate gives you longer life, but I’ve never felt the need for
that. E.g. my current laptop, a Galago Pro, drains something like 15%
(estimated) of its battery if left asleep over a 24-hour period. That
means I could leave it aside for 3-4 days and still have half a charge
left.

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 17:55:08 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> My laptops never used to resume after a 'lid down' event.

Wasn’t there also a sleep/resume keystroke you could press?

On 2025-01-05 06:19, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

....

>   Oh, and chemical-film cameras can yield high-rez pix.
>   I have a Pentax 6x7 medium format - beautiful ! It
>   just ain't "instant". Take the RIGHT shot, not 99
>   kinda-sorta-maybe shots.

With dust. There could be dust in the negative, or in the lab. In the
negative, in the chemicals, in the possitivation optics. With so many
places for dust, the final prints had dust printed as well.

Then look at the photos 20 years later, the colours degrade.

And the delay. I could take a year to shoot a colour roll, the thing was
expensive so we did few photos.

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Groovy hepcat Phillip was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Sun, 5 Jan
2025 02:48 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it.

> I've been having trouble getting my machines to sleep/standby/suspend
> (basically anything that isn't hibernate).
>
> The issue I'm having is that anytime I have it initiate any of the
> states listed above (and all variants), I can never pull it out of
> sleep. Resume doesn't happen when pressing on the keyboard or moving
> the mouse. In fact, even pressing the power button won't rez the
> system to resume. Funny enough the CPU fan will still spin in all
> sleep states (except hibernate) but no other fans do.

I had a similar problem with one laptop. I would listen to music on it
while travelling (on train or bus). Closing the lid would blank the
video and put the machine in a low power state while still playing the
music.
But when I opened the lid and pressed a key or touched the track pad,
it didn't respond. I even tried the power button, but no dice!
I found that I could switch to a text console (Ctrl-Alt-F1), then
switch back (Alt-F7), and the video would magically come back on. But
it was annoying having to do that. My solution: new laptop.

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