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* font fallback issuescandycanearter07
`* Re: font fallback issuesLawrence D'Oliveiro
 `* Re: font fallback issuescandycanearter07
  `* Re: font fallback issuesLawrence D'Oliveiro
   `* Re: font fallback issuesNuno Silva
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     `* Re: font fallback issuesThe Natural Philosopher
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Subject: font fallback issues
From: candycanearter07
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 00:25 UTC
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Subject: font fallback issues
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Hi,
I was having an issue with unicode fonts not rendering properly. I
recently installed a nice looking bitmap font, but it has little unicode
support. I wanted to set up a fallback bitmap-unicode font
(https://www.kreativekorp.com/software/fonts/fairfax/) as backup,
because all the normal text is very blurry, but I couldn't figure it
out. Any help would be appreciated ^^.

(it doesn't have to be this one in particular, but i do need the pona
block specifically)
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Subject: Re: font fallback issues
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 05:51 UTC
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From: ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro)
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Subject: Re: font fallback issues
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On Fri, 24 May 2024 00:25:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> I wanted to set up a fallback bitmap-unicode font
> (https://www.kreativekorp.com/software/fonts/fairfax/) as backup,
> because all the normal text is very blurry, but I couldn't figure it
> out.

I think nowadays we use Google’s “Noto” outline fonts for this purpose, as
the results look much better than bitmap fonts.

I think the fallback mechanism is internal to the different apps’ text-
rendering engines; they should just make use of this automatically.

Subject: Re: font fallback issues
From: candycanearter07
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 17:40 UTC
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From: candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid (candycanearter07)
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Subject: Re: font fallback issues
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 05:51 this Friday (GMT):
> On Fri, 24 May 2024 00:25:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> I wanted to set up a fallback bitmap-unicode font
>> (https://www.kreativekorp.com/software/fonts/fairfax/) as backup,
>> because all the normal text is very blurry, but I couldn't figure it
>> out.
>
> I think nowadays we use Google’s “Noto” outline fonts for this purpose, as
> the results look much better than bitmap fonts.
>
> I think the fallback mechanism is internal to the different apps’ text-
> rendering engines; they should just make use of this automatically.

Well, I read that most Linux apps use fontconfig for font rendering, so
I wanted to try setting it up with that.
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Subject: Re: font fallback issues
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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Subject: Re: font fallback issues
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On Fri, 24 May 2024 17:40:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Well, I read that most Linux apps use fontconfig for font rendering ...

Fontconfig is used for matching fonts, not for the actual rendering.

Subject: Re: font fallback issues
From: Nuno Silva
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On 2024-05-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Fri, 24 May 2024 17:40:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Well, I read that most Linux apps use fontconfig for font rendering ...
>
> Fontconfig is used for matching fonts, not for the actual rendering.

But it's this matching that at least selects fonts. I have some settings
for antialiasing and hinting in its configuration file too (although
these days it's more complicated to guess where that file goes, given
they seem to have changed to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME). So fontconfig can at
least control that (settings) in some cases. (I probably have settings
for the same purpose but for Xft in $HOME/.Xdefaults.)

Now can fontconfig control replacement too?

But, yes, another challenge is that not everything will go via
fontconfig, maybe the best approach is to try to "merge" the replacement
fonts and the main font in a single font, so that there's no question of
how will the fallback be handled?

--
Nuno Silva

Subject: Re: font fallback issues
From: candycanearter07
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Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote at 19:15 this Saturday (GMT):
> On 2024-05-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 24 May 2024 17:40:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I read that most Linux apps use fontconfig for font rendering ...
>>
>> Fontconfig is used for matching fonts, not for the actual rendering.
>
> But it's this matching that at least selects fonts. I have some settings
> for antialiasing and hinting in its configuration file too (although
> these days it's more complicated to guess where that file goes, given
> they seem to have changed to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME). So fontconfig can at
> least control that (settings) in some cases. (I probably have settings
> for the same purpose but for Xft in $HOME/.Xdefaults.)
>
> Now can fontconfig control replacement too?
>
> But, yes, another challenge is that not everything will go via
> fontconfig, maybe the best approach is to try to "merge" the replacement
> fonts and the main font in a single font, so that there's no question of
> how will the fallback be handled?

Maybe, but I'm not sure how..
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Subject: Re: font fallback issues
From: The Natural Philosop
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On 28/05/2024 00:30, candycanearter07 wrote:
> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote at 19:15 this Saturday (GMT):
>> On 2024-05-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>maybe the best approach is to try to "merge" the replacement
>> fonts and the main font in a single font, so that there's no question of
>> how will the fallback be handled?
>
>
> Maybe, but I'm not sure how..

fontforge

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Subject: Re: font fallback issues
From: candycanearter07
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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote at 07:53 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On 28/05/2024 00:30, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote at 19:15 this Saturday (GMT):
>>> On 2024-05-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>maybe the best approach is to try to "merge" the replacement
>>> fonts and the main font in a single font, so that there's no question of
>>> how will the fallback be handled?
>>
>>
>> Maybe, but I'm not sure how..
>
> fontforge

oh
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