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Subject: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting
From: Robert Riches
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Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 04:00 UTC

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From: spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Robert Riches)
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Subject: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting
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In Devuan Daedalus, updating from firefox-esr 128.3.0esr-1~deb12u1
to 128.3.1esr-1~deb12u1 appears to have broken the media autoplay
setting, as measured by YouTube ads playing immediately after page
load, even though media autoplay is turned off (except for a couple
of about:welcome* "sites".

In an attempt to workaround the apparent (and possibly deliberate)
bug and following this page

https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/firefox-dont-block-video-play-even-if-autoplay-is-prohibited/m-p/49998

I have these settings in about:config:

dom.media.autoplay-policy-detection.enabled true
media.autoplay.allow-extension-background-pages false
media.autoplay.block-event.enabled false
media.autoplay.blocking_policy 1
media.autoplay.default 5
media.autoplay.enabled false
services.sync.prefs.sync.media.autoplay.default false

Even with that, YouTube ads play without warning.

Are there any known workarounds (other than switching to another
browser?)

Thanks.

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

Subject: Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting
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On 10/13/24 12:00 AM, Robert Riches wrote:
> In Devuan Daedalus, updating from firefox-esr 128.3.0esr-1~deb12u1
> to 128.3.1esr-1~deb12u1 appears to have broken the media autoplay
> setting, as measured by YouTube ads playing immediately after page
> load, even though media autoplay is turned off (except for a couple
> of about:welcome* "sites".
>
> In an attempt to workaround the apparent (and possibly deliberate)
> bug and following this page
>
> https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/firefox-dont-block-video-play-even-if-autoplay-is-prohibited/m-p/49998
>
> I have these settings in about:config:
>
> dom.media.autoplay-policy-detection.enabled true
> media.autoplay.allow-extension-background-pages false
> media.autoplay.block-event.enabled false
> media.autoplay.blocking_policy 1
> media.autoplay.default 5
> media.autoplay.enabled false
> services.sync.prefs.sync.media.autoplay.default false
>
> Even with that, YouTube ads play without warning.

And you think that's an "error" ? :-)

> Are there any known workarounds (other than switching to another
> browser?)
>
> Thanks.

Subject: Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting
From: Chris Ahlstrom
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Subject: Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting
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Shadow wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 13 Oct 2024 04:00:31 GMT, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net>
> wrote:
>
>> <snip>
>
> Ever started Wireshark and then loaded Firefox? Don't open any
> external pages, just load it.
> It connects to over a dozen sites, and worse, maintains
> several connections. My /etc/hosts file looks like a shopping list.
> And that is with "safebrowsing" , geolocation , prefetch and
> all other "excuses" turned off.
>
> It's been on this list
>
> <https://www.linuxcompatible.org/story/linux-security-roundup-for-week-42-2024/>
>
> For the last 20+ weeks. Always a regression or backdoor "that
> allows a remote attacker to gain control of your machine when visiting
> a specially crafted page".
>
> Why do I still use it? Chrome is worse....
> []'s

The etherape app is a cool quick-n-dirty way to look at net connections and
activity. On this Debian box, Chromium with DuckDuckGo seems fairly light,
while Firefox sets the display on fire (loading a buncha ads) and then calms
down.

Right now watching the connection to SomaFM beating like a heart.

F'up set.

--
Zippy's brain cells are straining to bridge synapses ...

Subject: Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting
From: Chris Ahlstrom
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Chris Ahlstrom wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> <snip>
>
> The etherape app is a cool quick-n-dirty way to look at net connections and
> activity. On this Debian box, Chromium with DuckDuckGo seems fairly light,
> while Firefox sets the display on fire (loading a buncha ads) and then calms
> down.
>
> Right now watching the connection to SomaFM beating like a heart.

Jesus, etherape almost exploded when I accessed newyorker.com!

--
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she's already left a note that it's in the refrigerator.
-- Bill Lawrence

Subject: Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting
From: Shadow
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Organization: A noiseless patient Shadow
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:36 UTC
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On 13 Oct 2024 04:00:31 GMT, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net>
wrote:

>In Devuan Daedalus, updating from firefox-esr 128.3.0esr-1~deb12u1
>to 128.3.1esr-1~deb12u1 appears to have broken the media autoplay
>setting, as measured by YouTube ads playing immediately after page
>load, even though media autoplay is turned off (except for a couple
>of about:welcome* "sites".
>
>In an attempt to workaround the apparent (and possibly deliberate)
>bug and following this page
>
> https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/firefox-dont-block-video-play-even-if-autoplay-is-prohibited/m-p/49998
>
>I have these settings in about:config:
>
>dom.media.autoplay-policy-detection.enabled true
>media.autoplay.allow-extension-background-pages false
>media.autoplay.block-event.enabled false
>media.autoplay.blocking_policy 1
>media.autoplay.default 5
>media.autoplay.enabled false
>services.sync.prefs.sync.media.autoplay.default false
>
>Even with that, YouTube ads play without warning.
>
>Are there any known workarounds (other than switching to another
>browser?)
>
>Thanks.

Ever started Wireshark and then loaded Firefox? Don't open any
external pages, just load it.
It connects to over a dozen sites, and worse, maintains
several connections. My /etc/hosts file looks like a shopping list.
And that is with "safebrowsing" , geolocation , prefetch and
all other "excuses" turned off.

It's been on this list

<https://www.linuxcompatible.org/story/linux-security-roundup-for-week-42-2024/>

For the last 20+ weeks. Always a regression or backdoor "that
allows a remote attacker to gain control of your machine when visiting
a specially crafted page".

Why do I still use it? Chrome is worse....
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021

Subject: Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting
From: The Natural Philosop
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On 13/10/2024 12:36, Shadow wrote:
> Why do I still use it? Chrome is worse....
> []'s
LOL!

I run Ublock Origin which rips out most of the turds.

But yes, sometimes i wake up after the 15th Youtube video that has been
screwing with my dreams comes to an end after autoplaying through all
the others.

Somehow the 'autoplay disabled' flag gets tickled,

--
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that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent
renewable energy.

Subject: Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting
From: Phillip Frabott
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On 10/13/2024 07:36, Shadow wrote:
> On 13 Oct 2024 04:00:31 GMT, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net>
> wrote:
>
>> In Devuan Daedalus, updating from firefox-esr 128.3.0esr-1~deb12u1
>> to 128.3.1esr-1~deb12u1 appears to have broken the media autoplay
>> setting, as measured by YouTube ads playing immediately after page
>> load, even though media autoplay is turned off (except for a couple
>> of about:welcome* "sites".
>>
>> In an attempt to workaround the apparent (and possibly deliberate)
>> bug and following this page
>>
>> https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/firefox-dont-block-video-play-even-if-autoplay-is-prohibited/m-p/49998
>>
>> I have these settings in about:config:
>>
>> dom.media.autoplay-policy-detection.enabled true
>> media.autoplay.allow-extension-background-pages false
>> media.autoplay.block-event.enabled false
>> media.autoplay.blocking_policy 1
>> media.autoplay.default 5
>> media.autoplay.enabled false
>> services.sync.prefs.sync.media.autoplay.default false
>>
>> Even with that, YouTube ads play without warning.
>>
>> Are there any known workarounds (other than switching to another
>> browser?)
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> Ever started Wireshark and then loaded Firefox? Don't open any
> external pages, just load it.
> It connects to over a dozen sites, and worse, maintains
> several connections. My /etc/hosts file looks like a shopping list.
> And that is with "safebrowsing" , geolocation , prefetch and
> all other "excuses" turned off.
>
> It's been on this list
>
> <https://www.linuxcompatible.org/story/linux-security-roundup-for-week-42-2024/>
>
> For the last 20+ weeks. Always a regression or backdoor "that
> allows a remote attacker to gain control of your machine when visiting
> a specially crafted page".
>
> Why do I still use it? Chrome is worse....
> []'s

Have you checked out Librewolf yet? I haven't actually done that testing
myself but it supposedly is a more security hardened version of Firefox.
Be interesting to see if it correct these connections or not.

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Subject: Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting
From: Computer Nerd Kev
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Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote:
> Even with that, YouTube ads play without warning.
>
> Are there any known workarounds (other than switching to another
> browser?)

On the system I usually run Firefox on (not Devuan), I don't have
the libavcodec library it uses for video playback installed, so it
_can't_ play videos at all. I also don't let youtube.com through
NoScript at all, and download everything I want to watch for
viewing in a separate program. Since youtube.com stopped showing
anything at all without Javascript I've been using Invidious
instances for searching and reading descriptions. www.genyt.net is
another "front-end" that works without Javscript. Some others here:

https://codeberg.org/skynet2982/awesome-alternative-front-ends#user-content-youtube

I'm sure there are ways to hide libavcodec from Firefox while still
keeping it installed for other software, but I'm not sure what
would be the easiest one. I never got around to doing that in
Devuan myself. I guess you're probably not willing to sacrifice all
in-browser video playback anyway, though maybe switching to one of
those front-ends or separate "apps" might be good enough.

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On Sun, 13 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 13/10/2024 12:36, Shadow wrote:
>> Why do I still use it? Chrome is worse....
>> []'s
> LOL!
>
> I run Ublock Origin which rips out most of the turds.
>
> But yes, sometimes i wake up after the 15th Youtube video that has been
> screwing with my dreams comes to an end after autoplaying through all the
> others.
>
> Somehow the 'autoplay disabled' flag gets tickled,
>

Is there a case for moving back to Seamonkey for regular browsing? It
seems like they are sticking with a more traditional browser and not
innovating all the time.

Subject: Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting
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On 2024-10-13, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 13/10/2024 12:36, Shadow wrote:
>>
>>> Why do I still use it? Chrome is worse....
>>> []'s
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> I run Ublock Origin which rips out most of the turds.
>>
>> But yes, sometimes i wake up after the 15th Youtube video that has been
>> screwing with my dreams comes to an end after autoplaying through all the
>> others.
>>
>> Somehow the 'autoplay disabled' flag gets tickled,
>
> Is there a case for moving back to Seamonkey for regular browsing? It
> seems like they are sticking with a more traditional browser and not
> innovating all the time.

I use Seamonkey wherever I can, and Firefox elsewhere. There are
many web sites that use tricks that Seamonkey can't (yet) handle;
for me the prime example is Dropbox. You might be interested in
the ongoing discussions in alt.comp.software.seamonkey.

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Subject: Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting
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On 2024-10-13, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> I use Seamonkey wherever I can, and Firefox elsewhere. There are
> many web sites that use tricks that Seamonkey can't (yet) handle;
> for me the prime example is Dropbox. You might be interested in
> the ongoing discussions in alt.comp.software.seamonkey.

It has been years since I heard anyone mentioning Seamonkey.
It was my impression that it had been completely replaced by Thunderbird
and the Mozilla browser, and had stopped being maintained when
Thunderbird came out.

- Lars Poulsen

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Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> On 2024-10-13, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> > I use Seamonkey wherever I can, and Firefox elsewhere. There are
> > many web sites that use tricks that Seamonkey can't (yet) handle;
> > for me the prime example is Dropbox. You might be interested in
> > the ongoing discussions in alt.comp.software.seamonkey.

> It has been years since I heard anyone mentioning Seamonkey.
> It was my impression that it had been completely replaced by Thunderbird
> and the Mozilla browser, and had stopped being maintained when
> Thunderbird came out.

It's still around, but has a small user group: https://www.seamonkey-project.org/
I'm one of them. It just needs newer engines for web browser, e-mails, etc. :(
--
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Subject: Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2024, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2024-10-13, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/10/2024 12:36, Shadow wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why do I still use it? Chrome is worse....
>>>> []'s
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> I run Ublock Origin which rips out most of the turds.
>>>
>>> But yes, sometimes i wake up after the 15th Youtube video that has been
>>> screwing with my dreams comes to an end after autoplaying through all the
>>> others.
>>>
>>> Somehow the 'autoplay disabled' flag gets tickled,
>>
>> Is there a case for moving back to Seamonkey for regular browsing? It
>> seems like they are sticking with a more traditional browser and not
>> innovating all the time.
>
> I use Seamonkey wherever I can, and Firefox elsewhere. There are
> many web sites that use tricks that Seamonkey can't (yet) handle;
> for me the prime example is Dropbox. You might be interested in
> the ongoing discussions in alt.comp.software.seamonkey.

Ahh... nice! What I'd love, is for someone to compile seamonkey without
the chat, mail, calendar and what else is in there, and _only_ deliver me
the web browser. I think it could be a real contender for my day to day
browsing.

All business related browsing sadly has to live in chrome, and seamonkey
could then handle all the private non-business browsing.

Subject: Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting
From: Andy Burns
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D wrote:

> What I'd love, is for someone to compile seamonkey without the
> chat, mail, calendar and what else is in there, and only deliver me
> the web browser.
That would be roughly equivalent to running Firefox v60 ...

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On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, Andy Burns wrote:

> D wrote:
>
>> What I'd love, is for someone to compile seamonkey without the
>> chat, mail, calendar and what else is in there, and only deliver me
>> the web browser.
> That would be roughly equivalent to running Firefox v60 ...
>

Exactly! Without the spyware, weird design decisions, telemetry etc. I
think that might be a nice sweet spot between a TUI browser like elinks
and a full blown firefox or chrome.

Subject: Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting
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On 2024-10-13, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
> On 10/13/24 12:00 AM, Robert Riches wrote:
>> In Devuan Daedalus, updating from firefox-esr 128.3.0esr-1~deb12u1
>> to 128.3.1esr-1~deb12u1 appears to have broken the media autoplay
>> setting, as measured by YouTube ads playing immediately after page
>> load, even though media autoplay is turned off (except for a couple
>> of about:welcome* "sites".
>>
>> In an attempt to workaround the apparent (and possibly deliberate)
>> bug and following this page
>>
>> https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/firefox-dont-block-video-play-even-if-autoplay-is-prohibited/m-p/49998
>>
>> I have these settings in about:config:
>>
>> dom.media.autoplay-policy-detection.enabled true
>> media.autoplay.allow-extension-background-pages false
>> media.autoplay.block-event.enabled false
>> media.autoplay.blocking_policy 1
>> media.autoplay.default 5
>> media.autoplay.enabled false
>> services.sync.prefs.sync.media.autoplay.default false
>>
>> Even with that, YouTube ads play without warning.
>
>
> And you think that's an "error" ? :-)

Yes, well, I did say "... and possibly deliberate".

--
Robert Riches
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On 2024-10-13, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
> On 13 Oct 2024 04:00:31 GMT, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net>
> wrote:
>
>>In Devuan Daedalus, updating from firefox-esr 128.3.0esr-1~deb12u1
>>to 128.3.1esr-1~deb12u1 appears to have broken the media autoplay
>>setting, as measured by YouTube ads playing immediately after page
>>load, even though media autoplay is turned off (except for a couple
>>of about:welcome* "sites".
>>
>>In an attempt to workaround the apparent (and possibly deliberate)
>>bug and following this page
>>
>> https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/firefox-dont-block-video-play-even-if-autoplay-is-prohibited/m-p/49998
>>
>>I have these settings in about:config:
>>
>>dom.media.autoplay-policy-detection.enabled true
>>media.autoplay.allow-extension-background-pages false
>>media.autoplay.block-event.enabled false
>>media.autoplay.blocking_policy 1
>>media.autoplay.default 5
>>media.autoplay.enabled false
>>services.sync.prefs.sync.media.autoplay.default false
>>
>>Even with that, YouTube ads play without warning.
>>
>>Are there any known workarounds (other than switching to another
>>browser?)
>>
>>Thanks.
>
> Ever started Wireshark and then loaded Firefox? Don't open any
> external pages, just load it.
> It connects to over a dozen sites, and worse, maintains
> several connections. My /etc/hosts file looks like a shopping list.
> And that is with "safebrowsing" , geolocation , prefetch and
> all other "excuses" turned off.
>
> It's been on this list
>
><https://www.linuxcompatible.org/story/linux-security-roundup-for-week-42-2024/>
>
> For the last 20+ weeks. Always a regression or backdoor "that
> allows a remote attacker to gain control of your machine when visiting
> a specially crafted page".
>
> Why do I still use it? Chrome is worse....
> []'s

Good idea to use Wireshark--if I could afford the time. It might
scare me enough to push me over the edge and ditch Firefox.

I run squid with a custom URL rewriter to block domains that have
have demonstrated behavior or content I find offensive. Also, I
check (formerly /var/log/messages) and (now) /var/log/syslog and
observe a ton of blocked packets, mostly either

- outbound to port 19302 (IIRC) to 74.125.250.129 (Google)

- inbound from port 443 from DeepIntent and a few of its allies

- inbound ICMP from a ton of IP addresses

Being behind two NAT routers might account for some of the
above. A friend suggested many of those packets might be content
providers trying to find a lower-latency "edge" host.

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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> On 2024-10-13, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>> On 10/13/24 12:00 AM, Robert Riches wrote:
>>> In Devuan Daedalus, updating from firefox-esr 128.3.0esr-1~deb12u1
>>> to 128.3.1esr-1~deb12u1 appears to have broken the media autoplay
>>> setting, as measured by YouTube ads playing immediately after page
>>> load, even though media autoplay is turned off (except for a couple
>>> of about:welcome* "sites".
>>>
>>> In an attempt to workaround the apparent (and possibly deliberate)
>>> bug and following this page
>>>
>>> https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/firefox-dont-block-video-play-even-if-autoplay-is-prohibited/m-p/49998
>>>
>>> I have these settings in about:config:
>>>
>>> dom.media.autoplay-policy-detection.enabled true
>>> media.autoplay.allow-extension-background-pages false
>>> media.autoplay.block-event.enabled false
>>> media.autoplay.blocking_policy 1
>>> media.autoplay.default 5
>>> media.autoplay.enabled false
>>> services.sync.prefs.sync.media.autoplay.default false
>>>
>>> Even with that, YouTube ads play without warning.
>>
>>
>> And you think that's an "error" ? :-)
>
> Yes, well, I did say "... and possibly deliberate".

BET on it ! :-)

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Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote:
>
> I run squid with a custom URL rewriter to block domains that have
> have demonstrated behavior or content I find offensive.

How do you get Squid through the encryption to modify URLs in
webpages loaded over HTTPS?

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On 2024-10-15, Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
> Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote:
>>
>> I run squid with a custom URL rewriter to block domains that have
>> have demonstrated behavior or content I find offensive.
>
> How do you get Squid through the encryption to modify URLs in
> webpages loaded over HTTPS?

I don't. The URL rewriter gets only the domain name and IP
address of the server the request would otherwise be sent to.

Before the HTTPS revolution, I could block specific pages. Now,
I can block only whole domains. When the rewriter gets a match
on the domain name, it replaces the request with this URL:

http://127.0.0.1/bogosity

(I do not have a local web server running on a default port.)

It sometimes leaves odd-looking things where ads would have been.
:-)

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spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 12:54 this Sunday (GMT):
> Shadow wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 13 Oct 2024 04:00:31 GMT, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> <snip>
>>
>> Ever started Wireshark and then loaded Firefox? Don't open any
>> external pages, just load it.
>> It connects to over a dozen sites, and worse, maintains
>> several connections. My /etc/hosts file looks like a shopping list.
>> And that is with "safebrowsing" , geolocation , prefetch and
>> all other "excuses" turned off.
>>
>> It's been on this list
>>
>> <https://www.linuxcompatible.org/story/linux-security-roundup-for-week-42-2024/>
>>
>> For the last 20+ weeks. Always a regression or backdoor "that
>> allows a remote attacker to gain control of your machine when visiting
>> a specially crafted page".
>>
>> Why do I still use it? Chrome is worse....
>> []'s
>
> The etherape app is a cool quick-n-dirty way to look at net connections and
> activity. On this Debian box, Chromium with DuckDuckGo seems fairly light,
> while Firefox sets the display on fire (loading a buncha ads) and then calms
> down.
>
> Right now watching the connection to SomaFM beating like a heart.
>
> F'up set.

Thanks for telling me about etherape, this looks awesome!!
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comp / comp.os.linux.misc / Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting

Subject	Author
Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	Robert Riches
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	186282@ud0s4.net
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	Robert Riches
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	186282@ud0s4.net
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	Shadow
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	Chris Ahlstrom
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	Chris Ahlstrom
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	candycanearter07
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	D
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	Charlie Gibbs
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	Lars Poulsen
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	Ant
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	D
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	Andy Burns
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	D
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	Phillip Frabott
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	Phillip Frabott
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	Robert Riches
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	Computer Nerd Kev
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	Robert Riches
Re: Firefox update breaks media autoplay setting	Computer Nerd Kev