On 2024-07-10 20:57, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 03:27 this Tuesday (GMT):
>>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 02:10:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, curiosity killing the cat and all.
>>>
>>> Leaving a thumb drive laying on the sidewalk or a parking lot is a good
>>> gag too. Some people just have to see what's on it.
>>
>>
>> Have you ever done that?
>
> Loaded an unknown drive? Nope. I was even skeptical about using a drive
> still in the plastic packaging that our company used as a gimme at shows.
>
> It's a popular technique. There was a suspicion that Israel fucked up the
> air-gapped Iranian centrifuges that way.

In some cities you can find usb sticks inserted in the mortar of a wall.
Kind of similar to books hidden in a tree hole.

I once found a stick in a rental flat. I did loo inside, to phone the
people who had just left the flat if it was important. Turned out it was
simply a damaged stick, worked for a while.

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On 2024-07-07 12:17, marrgol wrote:
> On 2024-07-07 at 04:10 Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> openSUSE is using hard disk for /tmp, and has currently no working
>> periodical job to clean it.
>
> Yes it does, and it's even enabled by default, it just has to be tuned up
> to your/sysadmin's liking. On my system (v15.4):
>
> # systemctl list-timers | grep tmp
> Mon 2024-07-08 05:38:18 CEST 17h left Fri 2024-07-05 12:10:56 CEST 1
> day 23h ago systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service
>
> see man systemd-tmpfiles, tmpfiles.d for details.
>
>

Doesn't work.

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On 2024-07-09 17:12, David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 06:57:18 -0400, Carlos E. R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-09 01:35, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 02:54:52 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> <snip>
>>>> gparted is a GUI tool intended to be run as root.
>>> And we have seen what happens when it is.
>> That it works perfectly, as designed.
>
> It increses the risk of things leaking to other user's on the system, if
> not done
> properly.

!!

>
> As to running gparted as a regular user ...
> $ ls -l /dev/sd?
> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8,  0 Jul  8 20:54 /dev/sda
> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 16 Jul  8 20:54 /dev/sdb
> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 32 Jul  8 20:54 /dev/sdc
> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 48 Jul  8 20:54 /dev/sdd
> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 64 Jul  8 20:54 /dev/sde
> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 80 Jul  8 20:54 /dev/sdf
>
> I think member's of the disk group can do it as a regular user, but I
> have not
> tested it to see if there are other issues.

Having my user belong to group "disk" increases the danger of the user
doing something it shouldn't.

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Cheers, Carlos.

On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 21:12:05 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2024-07-07 12:17, marrgol wrote:
>> On 2024-07-07 at 04:10 Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> openSUSE is using hard disk for /tmp, and has currently no working
>>> periodical job to clean it.
>>
>> Yes it does, and it's even enabled by default, it just has to be tuned up
>> to your/sysadmin's liking. On my system (v15.4):
>>
>> # systemctl list-timers | grep tmp
>> Mon 2024-07-08 05:38:18 CEST 17h left Fri 2024-07-05 12:10:56 CEST 1
>> day 23h ago systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service
>>
>> see man systemd-tmpfiles, tmpfiles.d for details.
>>
>>
>
> Doesn't work.

Be careful; systemd-tmpfiles has been in the news recently,
(see https://www.theregister.com/2024/06/20/systemd_2561_data_wipe_fix/ )
because it can delete your home directory.

Specifically, with respect to systemd v256, The Register warns:
"If you invoke the systemd-tmpfiles --purge command without specifying
that very important config file which tells it which files to handle,
version 256 will merrily purge your entire home directory."

Apparently, systemd v256.1 makes some acknowledgement of this behaviour by
documenting it in the systemd help files.

Stay safe out there.
HTH
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Lew Pitcher
"In Skills We Trust"

On 2024-07-12 21:26, Lew Pitcher wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 21:12:05 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> On 2024-07-07 12:17, marrgol wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-07 at 04:10 Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> openSUSE is using hard disk for /tmp, and has currently no working
>>>> periodical job to clean it.
>>>
>>> Yes it does, and it's even enabled by default, it just has to be tuned up
>>> to your/sysadmin's liking. On my system (v15.4):
>>>
>>> # systemctl list-timers | grep tmp
>>> Mon 2024-07-08 05:38:18 CEST 17h left Fri 2024-07-05 12:10:56 CEST 1
>>> day 23h ago systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service
>>>
>>> see man systemd-tmpfiles, tmpfiles.d for details.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Doesn't work.
>
> Be careful; systemd-tmpfiles has been in the news recently,
> (see https://www.theregister.com/2024/06/20/systemd_2561_data_wipe_fix/ )
> because it can delete your home directory.
>
> Specifically, with respect to systemd v256, The Register warns:
> "If you invoke the systemd-tmpfiles --purge command without specifying
> that very important config file which tells it which files to handle,
> version 256 will merrily purge your entire home directory."
>
> Apparently, systemd v256.1 makes some acknowledgement of this behaviour by
> documenting it in the systemd help files.
>
> Stay safe out there.

Ouch. Thanks for the warning.

I played with it years ago, and decided it did not work. I haven't
touched it again.

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Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote at 21:44 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 2024-07-10 20:57, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 03:27 this Tuesday (GMT):
>>>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 02:10:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, curiosity killing the cat and all.
>>>>
>>>> Leaving a thumb drive laying on the sidewalk or a parking lot is a good
>>>> gag too. Some people just have to see what's on it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Have you ever done that?
>>
>> Loaded an unknown drive? Nope. I was even skeptical about using a drive
>> still in the plastic packaging that our company used as a gimme at shows.

Good, stay safe ^^

>> It's a popular technique. There was a suspicion that Israel fucked up the
>> air-gapped Iranian centrifuges that way.
>
> In some cities you can find usb sticks inserted in the mortar of a wall.
> Kind of similar to books hidden in a tree hole.
>
> I once found a stick in a rental flat. I did loo inside, to phone the
> people who had just left the flat if it was important. Turned out it was
> simply a damaged stick, worked for a while.

I've never seen one of those in person but I have seen a couple pictures
of those online.
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On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

>> In some cities you can find usb sticks inserted in the mortar of a
>> wall.
>> Kind of similar to books hidden in a tree hole.
>>
>> I once found a stick in a rental flat. I did loo inside, to phone the
>> people who had just left the flat if it was important. Turned out it
>> was simply a damaged stick, worked for a while.
>
>
> I've never seen one of those in person but I have seen a couple pictures
> of those online.

A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?

On 2024-07-13 20:36, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>>> In some cities you can find usb sticks inserted in the mortar of a
>>> wall.
>>> Kind of similar to books hidden in a tree hole.
>>>
>>> I once found a stick in a rental flat. I did loo inside, to phone the
>>> people who had just left the flat if it was important. Turned out it
>>> was simply a damaged stick, worked for a while.
>>
>>
>> I've never seen one of those in person but I have seen a couple pictures
>> of those online.
>
> A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?

Yep.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_dead_drop

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Cheers, Carlos.

On 7/12/24 3:26 PM, Lew Pitcher wrote:
> Be careful; systemd-tmpfiles has been in the news recently,
> (see https://www.theregister.com/2024/06/20/systemd_2561_data_wipe_fix/ )
> because it can delete your home directory.

lovely...

On 13 Jul 2024 18:36:51 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?

Sony has, or had, a trademark on the term “Memory Stick”. Which kind of
discouraged its use for USB sticks in general.

On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 19:26:33 -0000 (UTC), Lew Pitcher wrote:

> Be careful; systemd-tmpfiles has been in the news recently,
> (see https://www.theregister.com/2024/06/20/systemd_2561_data_wipe_fix/
> ) because it can delete your home directory.

Here’s the current man page
<https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd-tmpfiles.html>:

If this option is passed, all files and directories marked for
creation by the tmpfiles.d/ files specified on the command line
will be deleted. Specifically, this acts on all files and
directories marked with f, F, d, D, v, q, Q, p, L, c, b, C, w, e.
If this switch is used at least one tmpfiles.d/ file (or - for
standard input) must be specified on the command line or the
invocation will be refused, for safety reasons (as otherwise much
of the installed system files might be removed).

Hard to see how that can delete anything you haven’t asked for.

On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:39:24 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 13 Jul 2024 18:36:51 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?
>
> Sony has, or had, a trademark on the term “Memory Stick”. Which kind of
> discouraged its use for USB sticks in general.

Yeah, well, Xerox, Kleenex, and Band-Aid are trademarked too afaik.
Johnson & Johnson can defend the trademark all they want but are you going
to Walgreens for a box of adhesive bandages?

On 14 Jul 2024 04:28:16 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:39:24 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On 13 Jul 2024 18:36:51 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?
>>
>> Sony has, or had, a trademark on the term “Memory Stick”. Which kind of
>> discouraged its use for USB sticks in general.
>
> Yeah, well, Xerox, Kleenex, and Band-Aid are trademarked too afaik.

I think most of those are gone.

On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 05:40:16 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 14 Jul 2024 04:28:16 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:39:24 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On 13 Jul 2024 18:36:51 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?
>>>
>>> Sony has, or had, a trademark on the term “Memory Stick”. Which kind
>>> of discouraged its use for USB sticks in general.
>>
>> Yeah, well, Xerox, Kleenex, and Band-Aid are trademarked too afaik.
>
> I think most of those are gone.

https://qz.com/when-it-comes-to-work-apps-minimizing-your-toolkit-
can-1851581816

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/journey-trademark-xerox-from-becoming-
victim-victor-gaurav-singhal/

https://secureyourtrademark.com/blog/common-word-trademarks-band-aid/

J&J lost in the WIPO court but only because Baskin wasn't trying to sell
adhesive bandages.

https://www.4allpromos.com/blog/22-brand-names-youve-been-using-
generically-probably

Do you ever google something using DuckDuckGo? Unless a Chinese company
starts selling Kreenex Kimberly-clark grins and bears it. Think I'm
kidding?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chery

On 14/07/2024 05:28, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:39:24 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On 13 Jul 2024 18:36:51 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?
>>
>> Sony has, or had, a trademark on the term “Memory Stick”. Which kind of
>> discouraged its use for USB sticks in general.
>
> Yeah, well, Xerox, Kleenex, and Band-Aid are trademarked too afaik.
> Johnson & Johnson can defend the trademark all they want but are you going
> to Walgreens for a box of adhesive bandages?
No, for a box of sticking-plasters
--
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private property.

Karl Marx

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 18:36 this Saturday (GMT):
> On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>>> In some cities you can find usb sticks inserted in the mortar of a
>>> wall.
>>> Kind of similar to books hidden in a tree hole.
>>>
>>> I once found a stick in a rental flat. I did loo inside, to phone the
>>> people who had just left the flat if it was important. Turned out it
>>> was simply a damaged stick, worked for a while.
>>
>>
>> I've never seen one of those in person but I have seen a couple pictures
>> of those online.
>
> A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?

I meant a usb inserted in the wall.
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 05:40 this Sunday (GMT):
> On 14 Jul 2024 04:28:16 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:39:24 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On 13 Jul 2024 18:36:51 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> A USB flash drive, aka memory stick, aka thumb drive?
>>>
>>> Sony has, or had, a trademark on the term “Memory Stick”. Which kind of
>>> discouraged its use for USB sticks in general.
>>
>> Yeah, well, Xerox, Kleenex, and Band-Aid are trademarked too afaik.
>
> I think most of those are gone.

Yeah, isn't there a legal thing where like if a name becomes part of
common vocabulary, then you lose the trademark? I remember a long time
ago reading that Photoshop was trying to get people to say they
"digitally enhanced this image with Adobe PhotoshopTM" instead of
saying "i photoshopped it" like a normal person.
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On 2024-07-14, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> Do you ever google something using DuckDuckGo?

Nope. I'm trying to live as Google-free as possible -
why should I give them free advertising?

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On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 16:20:07 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Yeah, isn't there a legal thing where like if a name becomes part of
> common vocabulary, then you lose the trademark? I remember a long time
> ago reading that Photoshop was trying to get people to say they
> "digitally enhanced this image with Adobe PhotoshopTM" instead of saying
> "i photoshopped it" like a normal person.

Very seldom happens if you keep defending the trademark. I'm not sure how
Bayer lost 'Aspirin' but that was about 100 years ago and the laws may
have changed.

On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 16:46:01 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2024-07-14, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you ever google something using DuckDuckGo?
>
> Nope. I'm trying to live as Google-free as possible -
> why should I give them free advertising?

Well, that went right over your head...

On 7/14/24 09:46, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2024-07-14, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you ever google something using DuckDuckGo?
>
> Nope. I'm trying to live as Google-free as possible -
> why should I give them free advertising?
>
Charlie here 'google' is being used as slang
or argot for 'search'. When you search on DuckDuckGo
you are not using Google.
I too resist Google, the great big advertising
agency and always search with DDG. It is a choice on
Firefox. SeaMonkey and Mercury browsers.

bliss

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On 14 Jul 2024 20:22:42 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 16:20:07 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Yeah, isn't there a legal thing where like if a name becomes part of
>> common vocabulary, then you lose the trademark?
>
> Very seldom happens if you keep defending the trademark.

You have to keep insisting that people stop using the trademark as a
generic term. Sometimes it’s an unwinnable campaign.

On 14 Jul 2024 20:23:34 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 16:46:01 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2024-07-14, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you ever google something using DuckDuckGo?
>>
>> Nope. I'm trying to live as Google-free as possible -
>> why should I give them free advertising?
>
> Well, that went right over your head...

.... or maybe it didn’t.

On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 16:30:25 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> I too resist Google, the great big advertising
> agency and always search with DDG. It is a choice on Firefox. SeaMonkey
> and Mercury browsers.

I use Brave and generally go with the Brave search.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_Search

I do use DDG if I have Firefox open but have noticed DDG tends to be a
wrapper on Bing.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13451223/Microsoft-outage-
Bing-DuckDuckGo-ChatGPT-thousands-users.html

DDG does have other sources it indexes.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 01:21 this Monday (GMT):
> On 14 Jul 2024 20:22:42 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 16:20:07 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, isn't there a legal thing where like if a name becomes part of
>>> common vocabulary, then you lose the trademark?
>>
>> Very seldom happens if you keep defending the trademark.
>
> You have to keep insisting that people stop using the trademark as a
> generic term. Sometimes it’s an unwinnable campaign.

I'm pretty sure Google and Photoshop are close to generic terms at this
point.
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