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Subject: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing
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ARM and its major holder are now trying to buy
AmpereComputing - a maker of high-efficiency
high-speed "cloud interface" chips. It's
currently owned by Oracle. These chips are
intended for high-volume 'cloud' servers and
promise to save a lot of kilowatts and
nanoseconds over the competitors.

https://amperecomputing.com/

NOT likely to find 'em soldered to yer
Raspberry Pi however ....

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Subject: Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing
From: D
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 09:10 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> ARM and its major holder are now trying to buy
> AmpereComputing - a maker of high-efficiency
> high-speed "cloud interface" chips. It's
> currently owned by Oracle. These chips are
> intended for high-volume 'cloud' servers and
> promise to save a lot of kilowatts and
> nanoseconds over the competitors.
>
> https://amperecomputing.com/
>
> NOT likely to find 'em soldered to yer
> Raspberry Pi however ....

Fascinating how Oracle still has a toe hold or two in the HW business. I
remember in my youth, when I had to study oracle license agreements, and
found the "CPU factor" that was developed in such a way as to promote
sparc servers.

I recently had a look at arm-cpus to see if they would help me lower the
cost of software defined storage compute clusters, but sadly they are way
too high core, and too expensive to make any difference at all compared
with AMD cpus, so even though I could have used arm, in the end, it was
pointless. =/ I wish they produced cheap arm-cpu:s.

Subject: Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing
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On 1/15/25 4:10 AM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 14 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> ARM and its major holder are now trying to buy
>> AmpereComputing - a maker of high-efficiency
>> high-speed "cloud interface" chips. It's
>> currently owned by Oracle. These chips are
>> intended for high-volume 'cloud' servers and
>> promise to save a lot of kilowatts and
>> nanoseconds over the competitors.
>>
>> https://amperecomputing.com/
>>
>> NOT likely to find 'em soldered to yer
>> Raspberry Pi however ....
>
> Fascinating how Oracle still has a toe hold or two in the HW business. I
> remember in my youth, when I had to study oracle license agreements, and
> found the "CPU factor" that was developed in such a way as to promote
> sparc servers.

Smart corps have a toe or two in most everything.
As in Nature - falling into a niche is Darwinian
Doom.

> I recently had a look at arm-cpus to see if they would help me lower the
> cost of software defined storage compute clusters, but sadly they are
> way too high core, and too expensive to make any difference at all
> compared with AMD cpus, so even though I could have used arm, in the
> end, it was pointless. =/ I wish they produced cheap arm-cpu:s.

To get 'cheap' they need a higher-volume market. ARM
does have its 'niche', but it's not wide enough to
sell chips at AMD/Intel prices. They're more energy-
efficient, but these days the REAL energy goes into
zillions of Nvidia chips. I can see ARM being a player
in the 'portable' market for awhile though. Seems even
it is looking to diversify however ... Big Cloud may
complement 'AI'.

Subject: Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmpereComputing
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 23:29:16 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> ARM does have its 'niche', but it's not wide enough to sell chips at
> AMD/Intel prices.

You do realize, ARM chips worldwide outship x86 by about 30:1?

Subject: Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing
From: D
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 1/15/25 4:10 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 14 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>> ARM and its major holder are now trying to buy
>>> AmpereComputing - a maker of high-efficiency
>>> high-speed "cloud interface" chips. It's
>>> currently owned by Oracle. These chips are
>>> intended for high-volume 'cloud' servers and
>>> promise to save a lot of kilowatts and
>>> nanoseconds over the competitors.
>>>
>>> https://amperecomputing.com/
>>>
>>> NOT likely to find 'em soldered to yer
>>> Raspberry Pi however ....
>>
>> Fascinating how Oracle still has a toe hold or two in the HW business. I
>> remember in my youth, when I had to study oracle license agreements, and
>> found the "CPU factor" that was developed in such a way as to promote sparc
>> servers.
>
>
> Smart corps have a toe or two in most everything.
> As in Nature - falling into a niche is Darwinian
> Doom.
>
>
>> I recently had a look at arm-cpus to see if they would help me lower the
>> cost of software defined storage compute clusters, but sadly they are way
>> too high core, and too expensive to make any difference at all compared
>> with AMD cpus, so even though I could have used arm, in the end, it was
>> pointless. =/ I wish they produced cheap arm-cpu:s.
>
> To get 'cheap' they need a higher-volume market. ARM
> does have its 'niche', but it's not wide enough to
> sell chips at AMD/Intel prices. They're more energy-
> efficient, but these days the REAL energy goes into
> zillions of Nvidia chips. I can see ARM being a player
> in the 'portable' market for awhile though. Seems even
> it is looking to diversify however ... Big Cloud may
> complement 'AI'.

This is the truth! I've seen it in a few laptops. But I don't know if
they are energy efficient enough to make a huge difference. I get about 14
hours or so from my 1.5 year old laptop. If arm would bump that to 25 I'd
seriously consider one! But last time I had a look, 1.5 years ago, the
battery time on arm laptops was far from impressive. =/

Subject: Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing
From: The Natural Philosop
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On 16/01/2025 10:58, D wrote:
> This is the truth! I've seen it in a few laptops. But I don't know if
> they are energy efficient enough to make a huge difference. I get about
> 14 hours or so from my 1.5 year old laptop. If arm would bump that to 25
> I'd seriously consider one! But last time I had a look, 1.5 years ago,
> the battery time on arm laptops was far from impressive.

There is some limit in terms of how much charge needs to get moved
around how many transistors of at least a given size that relates
ultimate MIPS per watt to a figure independent of architecture.

The original ARM used very few transistors and an extremely well
optimised instruction set to get the performance that it did at such low
power.

Arguably it is now in the same ballpark as a late model INTEL *86 or
even RISC chip.

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higher education positively fortifies it."

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