A user on a Forum asked a question about this company
described below:
> I have become aware of Framework laptops over the past year or so and found their approach and philosophy interesting and intriguing - especially the modular design and up-grad-ability. From their About page:
>
> Consumer electronics is broken. We’ve all had the experience of a busted screen, button, or connector that can’t be fixed, battery life degrading without a path for replacement, or being unable to add more storage when full. Individually, this is irritating and requires us to make unnecessary and expensive purchases of new products to get around what should be easy problems to solve. Globally though, it’s much worse. We create over fifty million tons of e-waste each year. That’s 6 kg or 13 lb per person on earth per year, made up of our former devices. We need to improve recyclability, but the biggest impact we can make is generating less waste to begin with by making our products last longer.
>
> The conventional wisdom in the industry is that making products repairable makes them thicker, heavier, uglier, less robust, and more expensive. We’re here to prove that wrong and fix consumer electronics, one category at a time. Our philosophy is that by making well-considered design tradeoffs and trusting customers and repair shops with the access and information they need, we can make fantastic devices that are still easy to repair. Even better, what we’ve done to enable repair also opens up upgradeability and customization. This lets you get exactly the product you need and extends usable lifetime too.
>
> We know these are big claims and consumer electronics is littered with the graves of companies with grand ideas and failed executions. The proof is going to be in the products. We’re excited about the team of fantastic engineers and designers we’ve pulled together who are carrying hard learned lessons from what we’ve built before, and we’re grateful for the capable and competent partners we’re working with who believe in our mission. We are looking forward to showing you the Framework Laptop and showing the industry and the world a framework for a better way.
>
> They've just opened pre-orders for their new Framework 16 laptop (https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-16-pre-orders-are-now-open) and I'd love to know everyone's thoughts. Over the past few months they have been releasing a series of Deep Dives on aspects of the hardware:
>
> Display: https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-16-deep-dive---display
>
> Memory and Storage: https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-16-deep-dive---memory-and-storage
>
> Power Adapter: https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-16-deep-dive---180w-power-adapter
>
> Enclosure: https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-16-deep-dive---enclosure
>
> Battery and Speakers: https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-16-deep-dive---battery-and-speakers
>
> Supposedly they have made many improvements over the previous Framework 13 laptop that they still offer. Does anyone have any experience with this company or their laptops?

Well I know nothing about Framework except the above.
I told the user I would as on Usenet which is of course the primary
repository of the world's knowledge of things computer.

bliss - Dell E7450- PCLinuxOS 64- Linux 6.4.3- KDE Plasma 5.27.6

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Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> A user on a Forum asked a question about this company
> described below:
>> I have become aware of Framework laptops over the past year or so and
>> found their approach and philosophy interesting and intriguing -
>> especially the modular design and up-grad-ability. From their About page:
>>
>> Consumer electronics is broken. We’ve all had the experience of a
>> busted screen, button, or connector that can’t be fixed, battery life
>> degrading without a path for replacement, or being unable to add more
>> storage when full. Individually, this is irritating and requires us to
>> make unnecessary and expensive purchases of new products to get around
>> what should be easy problems to solve. Globally though, it’s much
>> worse. We create over fifty million tons of e-waste each year. That’s
>> 6 kg or 13 lb per person on earth per year, made up of our former
>> devices. We need to improve recyclability, but the biggest impact we
>> can make is generating less waste to begin with by making our products
>> last longer.
>>
>> The conventional wisdom in the industry is that making products
>> repairable makes them thicker, heavier, uglier, less robust, and more
>> expensive. We’re here to prove that wrong and fix consumer
>> electronics, one category at a time. Our philosophy is that by making
>> well-considered design tradeoffs and trusting customers and repair
>> shops with the access and information they need, we can make fantastic
>> devices that are still easy to repair. Even better, what we’ve done to
>> enable repair also opens up upgradeability and customization. This
>> lets you get exactly the product you need and extends usable lifetime
>> too.
>>
>> We know these are big claims and consumer electronics is littered with
>> the graves of companies with grand ideas and failed executions. The
>> proof is going to be in the products. We’re excited about the team of
>> fantastic engineers and designers we’ve pulled together who are
>> carrying hard learned lessons from what we’ve built before, and we’re
>> grateful for the capable and competent partners we’re working with who
>> believe in our mission. We are looking forward to showing you the
>> Framework Laptop and showing the industry and the world a framework
>> for a better way.
>>
>> They've just opened pre-orders for their new Framework 16 laptop
>> (https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-16-pre-orders-are-now-open)
>> and I'd love to know everyone's thoughts. Over the past few months
>> they have been releasing a series of Deep Dives on aspects of the
>> hardware:
>>
>> Display: https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-16-deep-dive---display
>>
>> Memory and Storage:
>> https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-16-deep-dive---memory-and-storage
>>
>>
>> Power Adapter:
>> https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-16-deep-dive---180w-power-adapter
>>
>>
>> Enclosure:
>> https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-16-deep-dive---enclosure
>>
>> Battery and Speakers:
>> https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-16-deep-dive---battery-and-speakers
>>
>>
>> Supposedly they have made many improvements over the previous
>> Framework 13 laptop that they still offer. Does anyone have any
>> experience with this company or their laptops?
>
>     Well I know nothing about Framework except the above.
>     I told the user I would as on Usenet which is of course the primary
> repository of the world's knowledge of things computer.
>
> bliss - Dell E7450- PCLinuxOS 64- Linux 6.4.3- KDE Plasma 5.27.6
>

I saw them mentioned in a (the best) German computer magazine last
weekend, it was in a series of articles in upgrading computers and
laptops to make them significantly faster and/or compatible with Windows 11.
They basically said there was very little you could upgrade on a laptop,
and that the exception - Framework - had only been around since the
start of 2022 and it was too early to assess them on that basis.
The magazine is called C't and is - as you would expect - in German.
https://www.heise.de/select/ct (in this case 17/2023)

Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> A user on a Forum asked a question about this company
> described below:
> > I have become aware of Framework laptops over the past year or so and
> > found their approach and philosophy interesting and intriguing -
> > especially the modular design and up-grad-ability. From their About
> > page:
>
> Well I know nothing about Framework except the above.
> I told the user I would as on Usenet which is of course the primary
> repository of the world's knowledge of things computer.

There have been a number of articles on Ars Technica, generally positive:
https://arstechnica.com/search/?ie=UTF-8&q=framework+laptop

The comment sections are also worth reading - various happy customers there.

They have been around since 2021 and they have now had 3 generations, so the
goal of being able to upgrade your laptop motherboard year after year has
been achieved.

Theo

On 7/18/23 22:57, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>
>     Well I know nothing about Framework except the above.
>     I told the user I would as on Usenet which is of course the primary
> repository of the world's knowledge of things computer.

I know a guy who bought one almost a year and a half ago. He was
certainly very happy with it when he first got it, and I haven't heard
anything to suggest that he's changed his mind since then.

He runs Artix Linux on it.

On 7/18/23 19:57, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

Thanks for the answers to everyone who participated.

bliss - Dell E7450- PCLinuxOS 64- Linux 6.4.4- KDE Plasma 5.27.6

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Don Spam's Reckless Son <hyperspace.flyover@vogon.gov.invalid> wrote:
> Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>     Well I know nothing about Framework except the above.
>>     I told the user I would as on Usenet which is of course the primary
>> repository of the world's knowledge of things computer.
>
> I saw them mentioned in a (the best) German computer magazine last
> weekend, it was in a series of articles in upgrading computers and
> laptops to make them significantly faster and/or compatible with Windows 11.
> They basically said there was very little you could upgrade on a laptop,
> and that the exception - Framework - had only been around since the
> start of 2022 and it was too early to assess them on that basis.

I've owned one for about a year and a half. In the time since then, they've
released three sets of motherboard upgrades (from the 11th-gen Intel CPUs
they started with to your choice of AMD or (13th-gen) Intel today), tweaked
the back of the screen for more rigidity, and brought out a larger model
that can accommodate a pluggable GPU. It's not a lengthy record, but it's
more than other, larger companies have managed.

....and as an aside, it all works pretty well with Linux. Mine spends
probably 98%+ of its time in Gentoo Linux.

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On 2023-07-24, scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:

> Don Spam's Reckless Son <hyperspace.flyover@vogon.gov.invalid> wrote:
>> Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>     Well I know nothing about Framework except the above.
>>>     I told the user I would as on Usenet which is of course the primary
>>> repository of the world's knowledge of things computer.
>>
>> I saw them mentioned in a (the best) German computer magazine last
>> weekend, it was in a series of articles in upgrading computers and
>> laptops to make them significantly faster and/or compatible with Windows 11.
>> They basically said there was very little you could upgrade on a laptop,
>> and that the exception - Framework - had only been around since the
>> start of 2022 and it was too early to assess them on that basis.
>
> I've owned one for about a year and a half. In the time since then, they've
> released three sets of motherboard upgrades (from the 11th-gen Intel CPUs
> they started with to your choice of AMD or (13th-gen) Intel today), tweaked
> the back of the screen for more rigidity, and brought out a larger model
> that can accommodate a pluggable GPU. It's not a lengthy record, but it's
> more than other, larger companies have managed.
>
> ...and as an aside, it all works pretty well with Linux. Mine spends
> probably 98%+ of its time in Gentoo Linux.

Hm, then I think it's good opportunity to ask how is it behaving
thermally. Does it cool itself well? Any problems?

(Or are you building packages on a different machine?)

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Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-07-24, scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:
>> ...and as an aside, it all works pretty well with Linux. Mine spends
>> probably 98%+ of its time in Gentoo Linux.
>
> Hm, then I think it's good opportunity to ask how is it behaving
> thermally. Does it cool itself well? Any problems?

You hear the fan ramp up a little, but it's never overheated on me.

> (Or are you building packages on a different machine?)

No binhosts here...everything I have that runs Gentoo builds its own code.

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