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Subject: Re: What's the best low-end supported Linux to use in a very old 2008 MacBook Pro?
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Over the hot weekend, I tried live Debian Bullseye v11.3
(https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.3.0-amd64-xfce.iso
and
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.3.0-amd64-standard.iso)
since I didn't want to touch the internal HDD yet. I used 8 GB USB flash
stick with non-default DD option in Rufus in an updated 64-bit W10 Pro
PC. Without DD, it wouldn't boot correctly which was weird/odd!

After connecting USB flash drive and pressing command+E when booting up MBP to get its boot drive selection, I had to:
1. At grub's menu, press E to edit kernel parameters.
2. Add "nomodeset" and "loglevel=7", and remove "quiet" before booting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/vdapv9/whats_the_best_lowend_supported_and_updated_linux/idrtbx5/ for the details.

Sheesh, this wasn't easy! :O

In comp.os.linux.hardware Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
> Hello.

> I have a 14 years old old MacBook Pro (15" A1260 model, unibody; 2.4 Ghz
> Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB (667 MHz) of DDR2 SDRAM, 200 GB HDD, NVIDIA
> GeForce 8600M GT (256 MB of VRAM), & Mac OS X (El Capitan v10.11.6))
> from early 2008. Its software are too old, unsupported, and too slow.

> I'm thinking about replacing them with Linux, but which one would be
> suitable for it? I still want basic GUI like web browsing. I remember
> trying doing the same for an old PowerBook G4, but I couldn't get its
> wifi to work with various Linux installations. I hope this won't happen
> again with it.

> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
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In comp.os.linux.setup Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
> Over the hot weekend, I tried live Debian Bullseye v11.3
> (https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.3.0-amd64-xfce.iso
> and
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.3.0-amd64-standard.iso)
> since I didn't want to touch the internal HDD yet. I used 8 GB USB flash
> stick with non-default DD option in Rufus in an updated 64-bit W10 Pro
> PC. Without DD, it wouldn't boot correctly which was weird/odd!

> After connecting USB flash drive and pressing command+E when booting up MBP to get its boot drive selection, I had to:
> 1. At grub's menu, press E to edit kernel parameters.
> 2. Add "nomodeset" and "loglevel=7", and remove "quiet" before booting.
> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/vdapv9/whats_the_best_lowend_supported_and_updated_linux/idrtbx5/ for the details.

Oops. I meant https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/vdapv9/whats_the_best_lowend_supported_and_updated_linux/idrteci/!
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Subject: Re: What's the best low-end supported Linux to use in a very old 2008 MacBook Pro?
From: David W. Hodgins
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 15:13:13 -0400, Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:

> Over the hot weekend, I tried live Debian Bullseye v11.3
> (https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.3.0-amd64-xfce.iso
> and
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.3.0-amd64-standard.iso)
> since I didn't want to touch the internal HDD yet. I used 8 GB USB flash
> stick with non-default DD option in Rufus in an updated 64-bit W10 Pro
> PC. Without DD, it wouldn't boot correctly which was weird/odd!

It's not really weird. Normally rufus will alter the mbr of the usb stick
after copying the iso, to try and make it bootable.

When an iso image is already bootable, those alterations stop it from working
as the changes alter what were already correct values.

That's why dd or similar must be used so those values do not get altered.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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In comp.os.linux.hardware David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 15:13:13 -0400, Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:

> > Over the hot weekend, I tried live Debian Bullseye v11.3
> > (https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.3.0-amd64-xfce.iso
> > and
> > https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.3.0-amd64-standard.iso)
> > since I didn't want to touch the internal HDD yet. I used 8 GB USB flash
> > stick with non-default DD option in Rufus in an updated 64-bit W10 Pro
> > PC. Without DD, it wouldn't boot correctly which was weird/odd!

> It's not really weird. Normally rufus will alter the mbr of the usb stick
> after copying the iso, to try and make it bootable.

> When an iso image is already bootable, those alterations stop it from working
> as the changes alter what were already correct values.

> That's why dd or similar must be used so those values do not get altered.

Interesting. I wonder Rufus doesn't say that.
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 19:02:31 -0400, Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
> Interesting. I wonder Rufus doesn't say that.

It was designed to take iso images that were written to be able to boot from
an optical (cd/dvd) drive and make them bootable on a usb stick.

As to why the rufus authors allow the dd option, but don't automatically select
it when using an iso image that needs it, you'd have to ask them. I suspect it's
because windows software isn't designed to read such iso images properly, so it
doesn't make it easy to detect, but as I haven't used windows on any of my systems
since windows 98, I don't know for sure. I have experience helping others with
newer versions of windows, but avoid it as much as I can.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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Re: What's the best low-end supported Linux to use in a very old 2008 MacBook Pr	Ant
Re: What's the best low-end supported Linux to use in a very old 2008 MacBook Pr	Ant
Re: What's the best low-end supported Linux to use in a very old 2008 MacBook Pr	David W. Hodgins
Re: What's the best low-end supported Linux to use in a very old 2008 MacBook Pr	Ant
Re: What's the best low-end supported Linux to use in a very old 2008 MacBook Pr	David W. Hodgins