Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>> Winblows is a shit OS, dude, you know that as well as anyone ...
>
>Would you entrust mission-critical business operations to obsolete,
>unsupported software?

No, what is your point?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>On 2024-07-21 9:09 p.m., Joel wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> The existing Win10 machines didn't just vanish, many can't or
>>>> shouldn't upgrade.
>>>
>>> That sort of thing was always true with past versions, as well.
>>
>> Winblows is a shit OS, dude, you know that as well as anyone being a
>> Linux advocate, people stick with slightly older versions to avoid the
>> bloat. They should be running Linux, but they don't, they just stick
>> with Win10, and they'll stick with Win11 when Win12 is current, and 10
>> finally loses support.
>
>In many cases, they stick to the current version because they like
>things as they are and don't want to commit to any kind of change.
>They're not as conscious about "bloat" as more technical users are.

They may not put it in the same terms, yeah, but I've seen people at
various levels of knowledge of computers come to this conclusion, that
their device should stick with a certain version. For my box, it'd be
Win11, which was released the same year I built it, 2021. I realize
now that while 12 would support it, it would grossly outgrow my
hardware, even 11 isn't great. *This* is why Linux is better than all
of the above.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>On 7/22/2024 2:31 AM, Relf wrote:
>> DFS: Relf is still on Win10 I believe.
>>
>> Yes, I reject Win11 & Win11 rejects my Aug 2019 PC.
>
>What's your mobo?

Jeff's computer could boot Win11, but it wouldn't be that great. It's
a great example of how M$ sucks, they're "supporting" his machine with
a version that is bloated to hell, but he has no choice once 10 is out
of support, if he wants said support.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-21 9:09 p.m., Joel wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Compared to adoption rates of previous versions of Dimdows? Not so good.
>>>>
>>>> What exactly would you be expecting, at this point? 30% is a lot of
>>>> machines.
>>>
>>> So what? Why should that, on its own, make customers less willing to
>>> upgrade?
>>>
>>>> The existing Win10 machines didn't just vanish, many can't or
>>>> shouldn't upgrade.
>>>
>>> That sort of thing was always true with past versions, as well.
>>
>>
>> Winblows is a shit OS, dude, you know that as well as anyone being a
>> Linux advocate, people stick with slightly older versions to avoid the
>> bloat. They should be running Linux, but they don't, they just stick
>> with Win10, and they'll stick with Win11 when Win12 is current, and 10
>> finally loses support.
>
> In many cases, they stick to the current version because they like
> things as they are and don't want to commit to any kind of change.
> They're not as conscious about "bloat" as more technical users are.

They also don't want to be Microsoft's beta testers. Upgrading Windows is
always an "iffy" proposition.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-22 8:19 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 07:27:05 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> Certainly faster, certainly more stable, easier to maintain. And it
>>>> gives you a choice as for looks, whereas Windows doesn’t. So naturally
>>>> Linux can be better-looking than Windows, even taking ne gustibus non
>>>> disputandum est into account.
>>>
>>> 'Faster' is problematic.
>>>
>>> https://www.phoronix.com/review/windows-linux-mid22adl
>>>
>>> Phoronix is a Linux oriented site but they do frequent reviews of Windows
>>> versus various Linux distros on the same hardware. There is always the
>>> question of how benchmarks translate to real world performance of
>>> applications but for the most part the benchmarks show no clear winner.
>>>
>>> I prefer Linux for a number of reasons but speed has never been one of
>>> them.
>>
>> Huh? Speed is one reason I prefer Linux. Speed of updates, speed of operation,
>> responsiveness.
>>
>> Of course, I may be biased due to running Windows on a machine loaded down
>> with corporate crapware, antivirus, ....
>
> Have you ever considered simply removing the corporate crapware?

In Windows getting rid of the built-in anti-virus application is probably
not a good idea. I have no corporate crapware on my Windows partition, it
still is much more sluggish than Linux on the same machine. And updates are
always painful, even when nothing goes wrong.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-22 1:13 a.m., rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:39:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Win 11's 30% share of the Windows base after 2.75 years looks pretty
>>> good.
>>
>> Okay, Pollyanna...
>>
>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-
>> share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10
>
> Even if you preferred Windows 10 (I don't), the reality is that
> Microsoft will cease support sooner than later. There's no point in
> wasting a year with that operating system for the minimal imagined
> benefits it might provide.

There's no direct upgrade path from Windows 10 to Windows 11 on many older
machines still in use. And, in the current economy a lot of people can't
afford a new computer so they run an ad infested version the same basic OS
they're already running.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-22 2:02 a.m., vallor wrote:
>> On 22 Jul 2024 05:13:45 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
>> <lg6848FkdpgU2@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:39:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Win 11's 30% share of the Windows base after 2.75 years looks pretty
>>>> good.
>>>
>>> Okay, Pollyanna...
>>>
>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-
>>> share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10
>>
>> I wonder how many are shifting to...dare I say it...something else?
>
> A dozen people who will end up crawling back to Windows once they get
> acquainted with the random freezes and inability to wake from sleep.

Unless they're the vast majority who don't have those problems.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-07-22 3:02 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-21 9:09 p.m., Joel wrote:
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Compared to adoption rates of previous versions of Dimdows? Not so good.
>>>>>
>>>>> What exactly would you be expecting, at this point? 30% is a lot of
>>>>> machines.
>>>>
>>>> So what? Why should that, on its own, make customers less willing to
>>>> upgrade?
>>>>
>>>>> The existing Win10 machines didn't just vanish, many can't or
>>>>> shouldn't upgrade.
>>>>
>>>> That sort of thing was always true with past versions, as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> Winblows is a shit OS, dude, you know that as well as anyone being a
>>> Linux advocate, people stick with slightly older versions to avoid the
>>> bloat. They should be running Linux, but they don't, they just stick
>>> with Win10, and they'll stick with Win11 when Win12 is current, and 10
>>> finally loses support.
>>
>> In many cases, they stick to the current version because they like
>> things as they are and don't want to commit to any kind of change.
>> They're not as conscious about "bloat" as more technical users are.
>
> They also don't want to be Microsoft's beta testers. Upgrading Windows is
> always an "iffy" proposition.

I don't think that people are aware of problems they might have with
Windows the way that we are. When something doesn't work, they're often
genuinely surprised. I tend to hear things like "it's worked fine for
years until..." In most cases, these people could easily resolve their
issues without my intervention, but most computer users aren't like us;
they don't understand the need for updates or even anti-malware. With
time, it only seems to get worse.

When you consider that most of my young pupils have no idea what folders
are on a computer or why anyone would need them, there doesn't seem to
be much light at the end of the tunnel.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Racism and sexism don't exist because race and gender are "social
constructs"

On 2024-07-22 3:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22 1:13 a.m., rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:39:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Win 11's 30% share of the Windows base after 2.75 years looks pretty
>>>> good.
>>>
>>> Okay, Pollyanna...
>>>
>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-
>>> share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10
>>
>> Even if you preferred Windows 10 (I don't), the reality is that
>> Microsoft will cease support sooner than later. There's no point in
>> wasting a year with that operating system for the minimal imagined
>> benefits it might provide.
>
> There's no direct upgrade path from Windows 10 to Windows 11 on many older
> machines still in use. And, in the current economy a lot of people can't
> afford a new computer so they run an ad infested version the same basic OS
> they're already running.

If those people absolutely insist on holding onto the old hardware, then
Linux or something like Haiku will become their only options. More
realistically though, they will likely just upgrade since their hardware
will be about eight-years-old by then. If they don't want to, I get the
impression that they'll migrate to a tablet or something.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Racism and sexism don't exist because race and gender are "social
constructs"

CrudeSausage wrote:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>> Of course, I may be biased due to running Windows on a machine loaded down
>> with corporate crapware, antivirus, ....
>
> Have you ever considered simply removing the corporate crapware?

He probably can't. I can't, from my work PC, even though I do have
admin rights on it.

--
"Once again, the default assumption of Linux advocacy is that all of
their woes can only be due to how evil Microsoft is, and no other
possibility." - lying asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly

On 2024-07-22 3:10 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22 2:02 a.m., vallor wrote:
>>> On 22 Jul 2024 05:13:45 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
>>> <lg6848FkdpgU2@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:39:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Win 11's 30% share of the Windows base after 2.75 years looks pretty
>>>>> good.
>>>>
>>>> Okay, Pollyanna...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-
>>>> share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10
>>>
>>> I wonder how many are shifting to...dare I say it...something else?
>>
>> A dozen people who will end up crawling back to Windows once they get
>> acquainted with the random freezes and inability to wake from sleep.
>
> Unless they're the vast majority who don't have those problems.

I _hope_ that they don't have problems, only because I believe in what
Linux as an alternative. However, it has since become a bastion of woke
and I find myself cheering for its success a lot less than I used to.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Racism and sexism don't exist because race and gender are "social
constructs"

On 2024-07-22 3:26 p.m., chrisv wrote:
> CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course, I may be biased due to running Windows on a machine loaded down
>>> with corporate crapware, antivirus, ....
>>
>> Have you ever considered simply removing the corporate crapware?
>
> He probably can't. I can't, from my work PC, even though I do have
> admin rights on it.

I can't imagine which software would refuse to uninstall. To be fair,
this might be why applications like Revo Uninstaller exist. I purchased
it to make sure that every last remnant of a program gets removed, but
it also allows you to remove the stubborn crap. The purchase was made to
support them; most of their functions are available at no charge.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Racism and sexism don't exist because race and gender are "social
constructs"

On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-22 3:02 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-21 9:09 p.m., Joel wrote:
>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Compared to adoption rates of previous versions of Dimdows? Not so good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What exactly would you be expecting, at this point? 30% is a lot of
>>>>>> machines.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what? Why should that, on its own, make customers less willing to
>>>>> upgrade?
>>>>>
>>>>>> The existing Win10 machines didn't just vanish, many can't or
>>>>>> shouldn't upgrade.
>>>>>
>>>>> That sort of thing was always true with past versions, as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Winblows is a shit OS, dude, you know that as well as anyone being a
>>>> Linux advocate, people stick with slightly older versions to avoid the
>>>> bloat. They should be running Linux, but they don't, they just stick
>>>> with Win10, and they'll stick with Win11 when Win12 is current, and 10
>>>> finally loses support.
>>>
>>> In many cases, they stick to the current version because they like
>>> things as they are and don't want to commit to any kind of change.
>>> They're not as conscious about "bloat" as more technical users are.
>>
>> They also don't want to be Microsoft's beta testers. Upgrading Windows is
>> always an "iffy" proposition.
>
> I don't think that people are aware of problems they might have with
> Windows the way that we are. When something doesn't work, they're often
> genuinely surprised. I tend to hear things like "it's worked fine for
> years until..." In most cases, these people could easily resolve their
> issues without my intervention, but most computer users aren't like us;
> they don't understand the need for updates or even anti-malware. With
> time, it only seems to get worse.
>
> When you consider that most of my young pupils have no idea what folders
> are on a computer or why anyone would need them, there doesn't seem to
> be much light at the end of the tunnel.

That's true. But what kids DO know is that there games can be played on
Windows 10 and they're not sure if they'll run right on Windows 11 or not.
(At least that's the case with my kids.)

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-22 3:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-22 1:13 a.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:39:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Win 11's 30% share of the Windows base after 2.75 years looks pretty
>>>>> good.
>>>>
>>>> Okay, Pollyanna...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-
>>>> share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10
>>>
>>> Even if you preferred Windows 10 (I don't), the reality is that
>>> Microsoft will cease support sooner than later. There's no point in
>>> wasting a year with that operating system for the minimal imagined
>>> benefits it might provide.
>>
>> There's no direct upgrade path from Windows 10 to Windows 11 on many older
>> machines still in use. And, in the current economy a lot of people can't
>> afford a new computer so they run an ad infested version the same basic OS
>> they're already running.
>
> If those people absolutely insist on holding onto the old hardware, then
> Linux or something like Haiku will become their only options. More
> realistically though, they will likely just upgrade since their hardware
> will be about eight-years-old by then. If they don't want to, I get the
> impression that they'll migrate to a tablet or something.

It's not a matter of "insisting to hold on to" — it's a matter of not being
able to afford new hardware. More so in the "undeveloped" world. Their
solution is to keep running an outdated Windows version. But I honestly
believe that Microsoft will (again) extend support for Windows 10. Otherwise
it's like cutting off their own nose to spite their face.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-22 3:10 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-22 2:02 a.m., vallor wrote:
>>>> On 22 Jul 2024 05:13:45 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
>>>> <lg6848FkdpgU2@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:39:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Win 11's 30% share of the Windows base after 2.75 years looks pretty
>>>>>> good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay, Pollyanna...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-
>>>>> share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how many are shifting to...dare I say it...something else?
>>>
>>> A dozen people who will end up crawling back to Windows once they get
>>> acquainted with the random freezes and inability to wake from sleep.
>>
>> Unless they're the vast majority who don't have those problems.
>
> I _hope_ that they don't have problems, only because I believe in what
> Linux as an alternative. However, it has since become a bastion of woke
> and I find myself cheering for its success a lot less than I used to.

"Woke" has become a term of ridicule. Even the Woke don't like to use it
anymore. It's on its way out.

Bud Light is now the 3rd best selling beer in the U.S. For two decades it
was number one, by a wide margin. One 30 second Woke ad immediately
destroyed twenty years of effective marketing.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

>I honestly
>believe that Microsoft will (again) extend support for Windows 10. Otherwise
>it's like cutting off their own nose to spite their face.

You're conflating the extended, paid support, that M$ offers after
EOL, with general support. No one would doubt that there'll be an
option to keep Win10.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Woke" has become a term of ridicule. Even the Woke don't like to use it
>anymore. It's on its way out.
>
>Bud Light is now the 3rd best selling beer in the U.S. For two decades it
>was number one, by a wide margin. One 30 second Woke ad immediately
>destroyed twenty years of effective marketing.

Yeah, that was so stupid, offending people who get offended by things
that are inoffensive. Fuck Kid Rock, anyway, he's an American badass
who gives a shit about an ad for beer, to the point of boycotting said
beer. He's a loser.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-07-22 4:10 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22 3:02 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-21 9:09 p.m., Joel wrote:
>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Compared to adoption rates of previous versions of Dimdows? Not so good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What exactly would you be expecting, at this point? 30% is a lot of
>>>>>>> machines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what? Why should that, on its own, make customers less willing to
>>>>>> upgrade?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The existing Win10 machines didn't just vanish, many can't or
>>>>>>> shouldn't upgrade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That sort of thing was always true with past versions, as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Winblows is a shit OS, dude, you know that as well as anyone being a
>>>>> Linux advocate, people stick with slightly older versions to avoid the
>>>>> bloat. They should be running Linux, but they don't, they just stick
>>>>> with Win10, and they'll stick with Win11 when Win12 is current, and 10
>>>>> finally loses support.
>>>>
>>>> In many cases, they stick to the current version because they like
>>>> things as they are and don't want to commit to any kind of change.
>>>> They're not as conscious about "bloat" as more technical users are.
>>>
>>> They also don't want to be Microsoft's beta testers. Upgrading Windows is
>>> always an "iffy" proposition.
>>
>> I don't think that people are aware of problems they might have with
>> Windows the way that we are. When something doesn't work, they're often
>> genuinely surprised. I tend to hear things like "it's worked fine for
>> years until..." In most cases, these people could easily resolve their
>> issues without my intervention, but most computer users aren't like us;
>> they don't understand the need for updates or even anti-malware. With
>> time, it only seems to get worse.
>>
>> When you consider that most of my young pupils have no idea what folders
>> are on a computer or why anyone would need them, there doesn't seem to
>> be much light at the end of the tunnel.
>
> That's true. But what kids DO know is that there games can be played on
> Windows 10 and they're not sure if they'll run right on Windows 11 or not.
> (At least that's the case with my kids.)

I have yet to come across that doesn't play as well in 11 as it did in
10. Of course, I'm not replaying games I finished a decade ago either.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Racism and sexism don't exist because race and gender are "social
constructs"

On 2024-07-22 4:15 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22 3:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-22 1:13 a.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:39:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Win 11's 30% share of the Windows base after 2.75 years looks pretty
>>>>>> good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay, Pollyanna...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-
>>>>> share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10
>>>>
>>>> Even if you preferred Windows 10 (I don't), the reality is that
>>>> Microsoft will cease support sooner than later. There's no point in
>>>> wasting a year with that operating system for the minimal imagined
>>>> benefits it might provide.
>>>
>>> There's no direct upgrade path from Windows 10 to Windows 11 on many older
>>> machines still in use. And, in the current economy a lot of people can't
>>> afford a new computer so they run an ad infested version the same basic OS
>>> they're already running.
>>
>> If those people absolutely insist on holding onto the old hardware, then
>> Linux or something like Haiku will become their only options. More
>> realistically though, they will likely just upgrade since their hardware
>> will be about eight-years-old by then. If they don't want to, I get the
>> impression that they'll migrate to a tablet or something.
>
> It's not a matter of "insisting to hold on to" — it's a matter of not being
> able to afford new hardware. More so in the "undeveloped" world. Their
> solution is to keep running an outdated Windows version. But I honestly
> believe that Microsoft will (again) extend support for Windows 10. Otherwise
> it's like cutting off their own nose to spite their face.

The undeveloped world already seems to be acquainted with Linux, if the
example of Cuba is anything to go by. Every time I went there, I noticed
that the machines were running Linux.

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On 2024-07-22 4:24 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22 3:10 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-22 2:02 a.m., vallor wrote:
>>>>> On 22 Jul 2024 05:13:45 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
>>>>> <lg6848FkdpgU2@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:39:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Win 11's 30% share of the Windows base after 2.75 years looks pretty
>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, Pollyanna...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-
>>>>>> share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder how many are shifting to...dare I say it...something else?
>>>>
>>>> A dozen people who will end up crawling back to Windows once they get
>>>> acquainted with the random freezes and inability to wake from sleep.
>>>
>>> Unless they're the vast majority who don't have those problems.
>>
>> I _hope_ that they don't have problems, only because I believe in what
>> Linux as an alternative. However, it has since become a bastion of woke
>> and I find myself cheering for its success a lot less than I used to.
>
> "Woke" has become a term of ridicule. Even the Woke don't like to use it
> anymore. It's on its way out.
>
> Bud Light is now the 3rd best selling beer in the U.S. For two decades it
> was number one, by a wide margin. One 30 second Woke ad immediately
> destroyed twenty years of effective marketing.

I'm surprised that it's still selling as well as it is. Third is still a
good place to be in.

Either way, I'm not the customer they would be interested in having. I
never drank that much and now have decided to stop drinking entirely. If
it's not Tyskie out of Poland, I just don't want it.

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Racism and sexism don't exist because race and gender are "social
constructs"

On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-22 4:10 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-22 3:02 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-21 9:09 p.m., Joel wrote:
>>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Compared to adoption rates of previous versions of Dimdows? Not so good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What exactly would you be expecting, at this point? 30% is a lot of
>>>>>>>> machines.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what? Why should that, on its own, make customers less willing to
>>>>>>> upgrade?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The existing Win10 machines didn't just vanish, many can't or
>>>>>>>> shouldn't upgrade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That sort of thing was always true with past versions, as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Winblows is a shit OS, dude, you know that as well as anyone being a
>>>>>> Linux advocate, people stick with slightly older versions to avoid the
>>>>>> bloat. They should be running Linux, but they don't, they just stick
>>>>>> with Win10, and they'll stick with Win11 when Win12 is current, and 10
>>>>>> finally loses support.
>>>>>
>>>>> In many cases, they stick to the current version because they like
>>>>> things as they are and don't want to commit to any kind of change.
>>>>> They're not as conscious about "bloat" as more technical users are.
>>>>
>>>> They also don't want to be Microsoft's beta testers. Upgrading Windows is
>>>> always an "iffy" proposition.
>>>
>>> I don't think that people are aware of problems they might have with
>>> Windows the way that we are. When something doesn't work, they're often
>>> genuinely surprised. I tend to hear things like "it's worked fine for
>>> years until..." In most cases, these people could easily resolve their
>>> issues without my intervention, but most computer users aren't like us;
>>> they don't understand the need for updates or even anti-malware. With
>>> time, it only seems to get worse.
>>>
>>> When you consider that most of my young pupils have no idea what folders
>>> are on a computer or why anyone would need them, there doesn't seem to
>>> be much light at the end of the tunnel.
>>
>> That's true. But what kids DO know is that there games can be played on
>> Windows 10 and they're not sure if they'll run right on Windows 11 or not.
>> (At least that's the case with my kids.)
>
> I have yet to come across that doesn't play as well in 11 as it did in
> 10. Of course, I'm not replaying games I finished a decade ago either.

I don't have a clue what games would do in Windows 11 vs Windows 10. It's my
kids who are sticking with Windows 10. Of course they took a while to move
from Windows 7 to Windows 10 for the same reason. My wife has moved to
Windows 11 on her desktop and laptop and she doesn't seem to notice much
difference. I think I still have a Windows 11 install somewhere... or maybe
that's the machine I gave to my son. I didn't notice much difference. But I
log into Windows probably once every three months. And normally I just do it
to update it. On one of my Windows' partitions I forgot the password, so I
just deleted it and gave the whole drive to Linux.

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On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-22 4:15 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-22 3:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-22 1:13 a.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:39:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Win 11's 30% share of the Windows base after 2.75 years looks pretty
>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, Pollyanna...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-
>>>>>> share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if you preferred Windows 10 (I don't), the reality is that
>>>>> Microsoft will cease support sooner than later. There's no point in
>>>>> wasting a year with that operating system for the minimal imagined
>>>>> benefits it might provide.
>>>>
>>>> There's no direct upgrade path from Windows 10 to Windows 11 on many older
>>>> machines still in use. And, in the current economy a lot of people can't
>>>> afford a new computer so they run an ad infested version the same basic OS
>>>> they're already running.
>>>
>>> If those people absolutely insist on holding onto the old hardware, then
>>> Linux or something like Haiku will become their only options. More
>>> realistically though, they will likely just upgrade since their hardware
>>> will be about eight-years-old by then. If they don't want to, I get the
>>> impression that they'll migrate to a tablet or something.
>>
>> It's not a matter of "insisting to hold on to" — it's a matter of not being
>> able to afford new hardware. More so in the "undeveloped" world. Their
>> solution is to keep running an outdated Windows version. But I honestly
>> believe that Microsoft will (again) extend support for Windows 10. Otherwise
>> it's like cutting off their own nose to spite their face.
>
> The undeveloped world already seems to be acquainted with Linux, if the
> example of Cuba is anything to go by. Every time I went there, I noticed
> that the machines were running Linux.

Some people in the U.S. and Canada might have to learn Linux also, if the
economy keeps tanking and inflation keeps going up the way it is.

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-22 4:24 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-22 3:10 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-22 2:02 a.m., vallor wrote:
>>>>>> On 22 Jul 2024 05:13:45 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
>>>>>> <lg6848FkdpgU2@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:39:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Win 11's 30% share of the Windows base after 2.75 years looks pretty
>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, Pollyanna...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-
>>>>>>> share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder how many are shifting to...dare I say it...something else?
>>>>>
>>>>> A dozen people who will end up crawling back to Windows once they get
>>>>> acquainted with the random freezes and inability to wake from sleep.
>>>>
>>>> Unless they're the vast majority who don't have those problems.
>>>
>>> I _hope_ that they don't have problems, only because I believe in what
>>> Linux as an alternative. However, it has since become a bastion of woke
>>> and I find myself cheering for its success a lot less than I used to.
>>
>> "Woke" has become a term of ridicule. Even the Woke don't like to use it
>> anymore. It's on its way out.
>>
>> Bud Light is now the 3rd best selling beer in the U.S. For two decades it
>> was number one, by a wide margin. One 30 second Woke ad immediately
>> destroyed twenty years of effective marketing.
>
> I'm surprised that it's still selling as well as it is. Third is still a
> good place to be in.

Bud Light was huge. It wasn't just the number one beer in the U.S., it was
the number one beer by a big margin. It had a lot of inertia to overcome.
Most people in the U.S. would be amazed at how quickly it's falling on the
sale's chart.

> Either way, I'm not the customer they would be interested in having. I
> never drank that much and now have decided to stop drinking entirely. If
> it's not Tyskie out of Poland, I just don't want it.

I'm not a customer at all. I've never drank single a beer in my life. But I
hear it was kind of crap beer anyhow. Sales depended completely on effective
advertising. I guess that's why it collapsed so quickly with lousy Woke
marketing.

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[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 02:14:18 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Bud Light was huge. It wasn't just the number one beer in the U.S., it
> was the number one beer by a big margin. It had a lot of inertia to
> overcome. Most people in the U.S. would be amazed at how quickly it's
> falling on the sale's chart.

I think I mentioned that on one of my walks I saw a push lawnmower with a
'free' sign on the side of the road. It had a free six pack of Bud Light
on the deck.

On 2024-07-22 10:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-22 4:15 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-22 3:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-22 1:13 a.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:39:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Win 11's 30% share of the Windows base after 2.75 years looks pretty
>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, Pollyanna...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-
>>>>>>> share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even if you preferred Windows 10 (I don't), the reality is that
>>>>>> Microsoft will cease support sooner than later. There's no point in
>>>>>> wasting a year with that operating system for the minimal imagined
>>>>>> benefits it might provide.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no direct upgrade path from Windows 10 to Windows 11 on many older
>>>>> machines still in use. And, in the current economy a lot of people can't
>>>>> afford a new computer so they run an ad infested version the same basic OS
>>>>> they're already running.
>>>>
>>>> If those people absolutely insist on holding onto the old hardware, then
>>>> Linux or something like Haiku will become their only options. More
>>>> realistically though, they will likely just upgrade since their hardware
>>>> will be about eight-years-old by then. If they don't want to, I get the
>>>> impression that they'll migrate to a tablet or something.
>>>
>>> It's not a matter of "insisting to hold on to" — it's a matter of not being
>>> able to afford new hardware. More so in the "undeveloped" world. Their
>>> solution is to keep running an outdated Windows version. But I honestly
>>> believe that Microsoft will (again) extend support for Windows 10. Otherwise
>>> it's like cutting off their own nose to spite their face.
>>
>> The undeveloped world already seems to be acquainted with Linux, if the
>> example of Cuba is anything to go by. Every time I went there, I noticed
>> that the machines were running Linux.
>
> Some people in the U.S. and Canada might have to learn Linux also, if the
> economy keeps tanking and inflation keeps going up the way it is.

If they stop being able to afford to upgrade their computers then yes, I
imagine that a lot of people will choose to hold onto their hardware and
look for a way to do so despite no longer getting Windows update. It's
also possible that they won't care that they are no longer receiving
updates and simply hold onto an unpatched Windows.

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Racism and sexism don't exist because race and gender are "social
constructs"