chrisv wrote:

>-hh wrote:
>>
>>Police making preparatory mistakes where the only option they leave
>>themselves is to kill someone for their own mistake is 100% perfectly fine
>>& legal then?

I should have commented on the snittish gobbledegook, above.

>>Think I’ll ask your local town to set up a speed trap on your street:
>>Hope you got a cute widow! /s
>
>Not comparable to a secret service detail, jackass.

No one is fooled by this jackass' garbage, when it gets ignored and
unrebutted, are they?

chrisv wrote:

>Before -highhorse posted his above "gotcha", I'd already realized that
>I'd forgotten something, and amended my post with "Or, all part of the
>plan."

Correction, -highhorse posted his "gotcha" post at 8:20, while I
posted my amendment at 8:21. I loaded new headers before 8:20, so his
"gotcha" post wasn't yet showing.

>Incompetence and indecision. Poor training. Or all part of the plan.
>
>That's simply "either incompetence or deliberate", rephrased. But the
>-highhorse moron thought that he had a "gotcha".

On 7/17/24 6:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 16:32:30 -0400, -hh wrote:
>
>
>> Sure, but my point was that your supposedly authoritative source's claim
>> was waaaay off (and you didn't catch it before citing it):
>>
>> "Prince said that Trump was still alive “solely due to a bad wind
>> estimate by an evil would-be assassin,” as a light five mph crosswind
>> was likely enough to push the small caliber bullet off course by a
>> couple of inches."
>>
>>
>>> Rule of thumb: a 5.56 will drift 1 inch at 100 yards in a 10 mph wind.
>>>
>>>
>> Reportedly, the wind was ~5mph and range ~150yds, so KISS rule of thumb
>> would be just (0.5)(1.5) = 0.75" ...
>
> Kindly don't attribute quoting the authoritative source to me. Prince is
> a better entrepreneur than a shooter.
>

Doesn't matter, because it was *you* who chose to cite him.

As such, if you knew prior that Prince wasn't such a smart guy, then you
should have never cited him back in your 7/16/24 2:51 PM posting.

That's 100% on you, because it was your doing, so your responsibility.

You don't now apologize that the guy's a moron afterwords: you apologize
to everyone in the newsgroup for your poor judgement of citing them.

-hh

chrisv wrote:

>chrisv wrote:
>
>>Before -highhorse posted his above "gotcha", I'd already realized that
>>I'd forgotten something, and amended my post with "Or, all part of the
>>plan."
>
>Correction, -highhorse posted his "gotcha" post at 8:20, while I
>posted my amendment at 8:21. I loaded new headers before 8:20, so his
>"gotcha" post wasn't yet showing.

And if -highhorse comes back with "well I didn't see your amendment,
either", it's a moot point.

Bottom line, it was clearly a simple oversight, on my part, to have
not included the "or all part of the plan" in my first response.
There was no "gotcha". My argument is consistent.

On 7/17/24 9:43 PM, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> Police making preparatory mistakes where the only option they leave
>> themselves is to kill someone for their own mistake is 100% perfectly fine
>> & legal then?
>>
>> Think I’ll ask your local town to set up a speed trap on your street:
>> Hope you got a cute widow! /s
>
> Not comparable to a secret service detail, jackass.
>

How so? Be specific in your attempt to split hairs.

Because both are law enforcement, and the only recourse you have is to
use what I've already told you: differing Rules of Engagement policies.

Trespass is a civil offense, not a capital offense.
Speeding is a civil offense, not a capital offense.
Jaywalking is a civil offense, not a capital offense.

[merge]
>>
>> Police making preparatory mistakes where the only option they leave
>> themselves is to kill someone for their own mistake is 100% perfectly
>> fine & legal then?
>
> I should have commented on the snittish gobbledegook, above.

Where that comment would be:
"I, chrisv, am a moron who do not comprehend this legal distinction".
/s

Show it to your daughter and have her explain it .. slowly .. to you.

-hh

On 7/18/24 5:35 AM, chrisv wrote:
> rbowman wrote:
>
>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>> Try reading current construction regulations for working on roofs.
>>> Specifically, the sections on fall protection and when a harness is
>>> required.
>>
>> Wanna borrow my shovel for that hole you're digging?
>>
>> https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8582496,-79.9701354,3a,75y,241.42h,103.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfA5goonaQhB7T3QLqlMuaA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DfA5goonaQhB7T3QLqlMuaA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D241.41683531603843%26pitch%3D-13.856365210885215%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu
>
> (link fixed)
>
>> Man, that is one fucking steep roof.
>
> Too dangerous, man! Even Army Rangers would be afraid of walking
> around up there!
>
> It's just *stunning*, the kind of idiocy that the -highhorse jackass
> will argue and defend, isn't it?
>

Have you read the OSHA regulations yet?

Because its not just merely slope.

-hh

On 7/16/24 9:54 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 20:21:45 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>
>> Have you seen pictures of that roof? It's a very gentle slope. You
>> wouldn't slide off of it.
>
> But it was really, really hot on the roof. They preferred to be inside
> with the A/C. There used to be a guy on alt.home.repair, Stormin' Norman,
> who died of cardiac arrest on o roof in the summertime. It could happen to
> anyone.
>
> True story: he was doing A/C maintenance and it took the idiots in the
> store a couple of days to figure out he went up and never came down.

That's also a consideration for why local LEO's weren't up there.

But chrisv (et al) still need to go read **all** of the OSHA safety
regulations for working on roofs: it isn't only the roof slope that's
called out.

BTDT...on a literally _flat_ roof structure inside of a High Bay.
Mitigation costs all that bad, fortunately, but it still had to be done.

-hh

On 7/16/24 9:15 PM, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> Dumfsck wrote:
>>>
>>> He gave up his 2A and 4A rights well before that.  The minute he
>>> committed the extremely suspicious act of carrying a gun up a ladder to
>>> the roof of a building near a political rally, he was subject to lawful
>>> detainment and investigation.
>>
>> Yes, but that's not a capital offense.
>
> If you think that's how it works, with the secret service, you're a GD
> idiot.
>
> "We couldn't shoot him. Our only option was to run over there to
> detain and investigate."
>
> Sheesh! Listen to yourself!
>

Have you read yet what Vallor posted? Suggest you do so before you open
your mouth up again.

-hh

On 2024-07-17 9:42 p.m., chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> Try reading current construction regulations for working on roofs.
>> Specifically, the sections on fall protection and when a harness is
>> required.
>
> My God, you are a fscking moron. That tiny slope requires no harness.
>
> Sheesh!

He's repeating what the Secret Service director was saying as a defense
for her gross incompetence. A four-year-old would have been able to
navigate that slope.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged savages

On 2024-07-18, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> chrisv wrote:
>
>>chrisv wrote:
>>
>>>Before -highhorse posted his above "gotcha", I'd already realized that
>>>I'd forgotten something, and amended my post with "Or, all part of the
>>>plan."
>>
>>Correction, -highhorse posted his "gotcha" post at 8:20, while I
>>posted my amendment at 8:21. I loaded new headers before 8:20, so his
>>"gotcha" post wasn't yet showing.
>
> And if -highhorse comes back with "well I didn't see your amendment,
> either", it's a moot point.
>
> Bottom line, it was clearly a simple oversight, on my part, to have
> not included the "or all part of the plan" in my first response.
> There was no "gotcha". My argument is consistent.

I wouldn't worry about it. This is how -highhorse operates. Instead of
substantially engaging in an argument he's petty and picayunish. He latches
on to minor issues because his argument is weak. It's a small-minded tactic,
but that's all he's got and he knows it. You can waste a lot of time arguing
with someone like him, which is why I have had him killfiled for a long
time.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 07:38:25 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
wrote in <v7aurh$2cr1f$7@dont-email.me>:

> On 7/16/24 9:15 PM, chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> Dumfsck wrote:
>>>>
>>>> He gave up his 2A and 4A rights well before that.  The minute he
>>>> committed the extremely suspicious act of carrying a gun up a ladder
>>>> to the roof of a building near a political rally, he was subject to
>>>> lawful detainment and investigation.
>>>
>>> Yes, but that's not a capital offense.
>>
>> If you think that's how it works, with the secret service, you're a GD
>> idiot.
>>
>> "We couldn't shoot him. Our only option was to run over there to
>> detain and investigate."
>>
>> Sheesh! Listen to yourself!
>>
>>
> Have you read yet what Vallor posted? Suggest you do so before you open
> your mouth up again.

The scenario I forwarded looks much more likely to me than
all these speculatory statements that do little more than
attempt to "make the other guys look bad". :/

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.9.9 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"A fool and his money rarely get together to start with."

chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> RonB wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Why do you care? These people are living in a Bizzarro World.
>>>>
>>>> Once again you take the side opposite of reality. It's becoming
>>>> routine for you, like a reflex.
>>>
>>>:-D Says you.
>>>
>>> I read a lot of different sources and actually think through what I'm
>>> reading. Detecting fake "data", missing data, illogical "conclusions",
>>> over-generalization, daemonization, ranting versus discourse, cult worship,
>>> cargo-cult "science".
>>
>> Cargo-cult "science?" Like men can have babies?
>>
>>> The level of craziness these days is astounding.
>>
>> Agreed. Most of the craziness coming from the Woke Left.
>
> Chris A has "read a lot of sources" and come to the conclusion that
> doctors have the ability make a man into a women. "Quite easily" in
> fact.
>
> You can't get much more obviously wrong than that!

The audacity! The effrontery! The presumption!

--
"I wonder", he said to himself, "what's in a book while it's closed. Oh, I
know it's full of letters printed on paper, but all the same, something must
be happening, because as soon as I open it, there's a whole story with people
I don't know yet and all kinds of adventures and battles."
-- Bastian B. Bux

On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 07:34:14 -0400, -hh wrote:

> Have you read the OSHA regulations yet?
>
> Because its not just merely slope.

According to today's explanation a local cop got on the roof, saw a rifle
pointed at him, and got the hell out of Dodge. Was he going to violate
OSHA regulations?

Just keep spinning like a dreidel.

On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 07:18:02 -0400, -hh wrote:

> You don't now apologize that the guy's a moron afterwords: you apologize
> to everyone in the newsgroup for your poor judgement of citing them.

Lick my ducking ass.

On 2024-07-18, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> RonB wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why do you care? These people are living in a Bizzarro World.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again you take the side opposite of reality. It's becoming
>>>>> routine for you, like a reflex.
>>>>
>>>>:-D Says you.
>>>>
>>>> I read a lot of different sources and actually think through what I'm
>>>> reading. Detecting fake "data", missing data, illogical "conclusions",
>>>> over-generalization, daemonization, ranting versus discourse, cult worship,
>>>> cargo-cult "science".
>>>
>>> Cargo-cult "science?" Like men can have babies?
>>>
>>>> The level of craziness these days is astounding.
>>>
>>> Agreed. Most of the craziness coming from the Woke Left.
>>
>> Chris A has "read a lot of sources" and come to the conclusion that
>> doctors have the ability make a man into a women. "Quite easily" in
>> fact.
>>
>> You can't get much more obviously wrong than that!
>
> The audacity! The effrontery! The presumption!

The reality... something Woke Morons can't comprehend.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> Chris A has "read a lot of sources" and come to the conclusion that
>> doctors have the ability make a man into a women. "Quite easily" in
>> fact.
>>
>> You can't get much more obviously wrong than that!
>
> The audacity! The effrontery! The presumption!

Wrong again.

vallor wrote:

> -hh wrote:
>>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>>If you think that's how it works, with the secret service, you're a GD
>>>idiot.
>>>
>>>"We couldn't shoot him. Our only option was to run over there to
>>>detain and investigate."
>>>
>>>Sheesh! Listen to yourself!
>>
>> (snipped, unread)
>
>The scenario I forwarded looks much more likely to me than
>all these speculatory statements that do little more than
>attempt to "make the other guys look bad". :/

The scenario you forwarded had a lot reasonable stuff in it. However,
it didn't address some key points. Two examples:

Why are we being lied-to by the head of the secret service, with that
"sloped roof" nonsense?

The suspicious behavior was observed not only right-before the shots
were fired, but many minutes earlier. Why wasn't Trump taken off the
stage?

-hh wrote:

>chrisv wrote:
>>
>>chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>>-hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Police making preparatory mistakes where the only option they leave
>>>>themselves is to kill someone for their own mistake is 100% perfectly fine
>>>>& legal then?
>>
>>I should have commented on the snittish gobbledegook, above.
>>
>>>>Think I’ll ask your local town to set up a speed trap on your street:
>>>>Hope you got a cute widow! /s
>>>
>>>Not comparable to a secret service detail, jackass.
>>
>>No one is fooled by this jackass' garbage, when it gets ignored and
>>unrebutted, are they?
>
> (snipped, unread)

Was anyone fooled? I wasn't.

I think that -highhorse's above analogy is about as stupid as I've
read, since the time he compared choosing a Linux distro with choosing
something to eat from a variety of unopened, unlabeled cans.

He's a "smart one", that -highhorse.

CrudeSausage wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> Try reading current construction regulations for working on roofs.
>>> Specifically, the sections on fall protection and when a harness is
>>> required.
>>
>> My God, you are a fscking moron. That tiny slope requires no harness.
>>
>> Sheesh!
>
>He's repeating what the Secret Service director was saying as a defense
>for her gross incompetence. A four-year-old would have been able to
>navigate that slope.

I know. The leftists must think that we're incredibly stupid.

rbowman wrote:

> -hh wrote:
>>
>> Have you read the OSHA regulations yet?
>>
>> Because its not just merely slope.

Idiot.

>According to today's explanation a local cop got on the roof, saw a rifle
>pointed at him, and got the hell out of Dodge. Was he going to violate
>OSHA regulations?
>
>Just keep spinning like a dreidel.

rbowman wrote:

>According to today's explanation a local cop got on the roof, saw a rifle
>pointed at him, and got the hell out of Dodge. Was he going to violate
>OSHA regulations?
>
>Just keep spinning like a dreidel.

Well, we're just "civilians" and -highhorse is some sorta black-ops
expert (laff).

Do you suppose that -highhorse is such a pussy that he'd be too afraid
to walk on that roof, if lives were at stake? Sounds like it, to me.

On 2024-07-18 6:10 p.m., chrisv wrote:
> rbowman wrote:
>
>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>> Have you read the OSHA regulations yet?
>>>
>>> Because its not just merely slope.
>
> Idiot.

Yeah, they really are idiots. When the director of the Secret Service
started saying such things, it was clear that it was the dumbest excuse
and that no self-respecting individual would buy it. However, because
she was the person who almost got Trump killed and because defending
gross incompetence is something Democrat advocates have been doing at
least since Carter, they not only bought it, but spread it as truth.
Apparently, the life of a former and future president is less important
than a sniper possibly slipping on a banana peel.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king
Progressives are brain-damaged savages

On 2024-07-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-18 6:10 p.m., chrisv wrote:
>> rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Have you read the OSHA regulations yet?
>>>>
>>>> Because its not just merely slope.
>>
>> Idiot.
>
> Yeah, they really are idiots. When the director of the Secret Service
> started saying such things, it was clear that it was the dumbest excuse
> and that no self-respecting individual would buy it. However, because
> she was the person who almost got Trump killed and because defending
> gross incompetence is something Democrat advocates have been doing at
> least since Carter, they not only bought it, but spread it as truth.
> Apparently, the life of a former and future president is less important
> than a sniper possibly slipping on a banana peel.

I'm amazed... AMAZED I tell you! ... that the shooter was able to maintain
his grip on the "oh, so steeply pitched" roof!

Good grief, talk about grasping at straws. Only total morons would fall for
this bullshit lie. (-highhorse, take your bows.)

Here's a picture of the "extreme and dangerously sloped roof." Notice the
"daredevils" (Evel Knievel clones?) just STANDING on it. How could they be
so foolhardy?

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/07/inspectors-search-roof-thomas-matthew-85558789.jpg?w=1024

Is -highhorse really that gullible?

And here's a comparison between the sloped roof the Secret Service used,
compared to the one "too sloped" to be used.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/050/622/sloped_roof_meme.jpg

I'm "convinced" -highhorse. Convinced that you wouldn't know the truth if it
bit you on the ass. Also convinced that the head of the Secret Service
(obviously a DEI hire) doesn't have a clue what she's talking about. Either
that or she actually thinks everyone is as gullible as -highhorse. Hint to
Secret Service head — we're not that stupid... "we," apparently, not
including -highhorse.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 7/18/24 1:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 07:18:02 -0400, -hh wrote:
>
>> You don't now apologize that the guy's a moron afterwords: you apologize
>> to everyone in the newsgroup for your poor judgement of citing them.
>
> Lick my ducking ass.

Thanks for the reply: it proves that you read my post where you got
dressed-down.

Now go sulk in the corner, "snowflake".

-hh

On 7/18/24 6:07 PM, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Police making preparatory mistakes where the only option they leave
>>>>> themselves is to kill someone for their own mistake is 100% perfectly fine
>>>>> & legal then?
>>>
>>> I should have commented on the snittish gobbledegook, above.
>>>
>>>>> Think I’ll ask your local town to set up a speed trap on your street:
>>>>> Hope you got a cute widow! /s
>>>>
>>>> Not comparable to a secret service detail, jackass.
>>>
>>> No one is fooled by this jackass' garbage, when it gets ignored and
>>> unrebutted, are they?
>>
>> (snipped, unread)

"Undread": what a fucking joke.

>
> Was anyone fooled? I wasn't.
>
> I think that -highhorse's above analogy is about as stupid as I've
> read, since the time he compared choosing a Linux distro with choosing
> something to eat from a variety of unopened, unlabeled cans.
>
> He's a "smart one", that -highhorse.
>

Smarter than chrisv by double-digits. Not that that's hard.

And what chrisv tries to avoid:

[quote]

How so? Be specific in your attempt to split hairs.

Because both are law enforcement, and the only recourse you have is to
use what I've already told you: differing Rules of Engagement policies.

Trespass is a civil offense, not a capital offense.
Speeding is a civil offense, not a capital offense.
Jaywalking is a civil offense, not a capital offense.

[/quote]

-hh