On 7/16/24 7:07 PM, DFS wrote:
> On 7/16/2024 10:40 AM, -hh wrote:
>
>
>> All of which is irrelevant:  reportedly Crooks was outside of the
>> USSS's secure perimeter, so PA State Laws apply:  its an Open Carry
>> State, so despite anything we want to say, Crooks was 100% legal until
>> he pulled the trigger, so from a RoE standpoint, any counter-sniper
>> opening fire on him beforehand would have been a clear violation of
>> his 2A rights.
>
> 'until he pulled the trigger'?  No.

I'm referring to the gun-toting part, not the tresspass.

> He gave up his 2A and 4A rights well before that.  The minute he
> committed the extremely suspicious act of carrying a gun up a ladder to
> the roof of a building near a political rally, he was subject to lawful
> detainment and investigation.

Yes, but that's not a capital offense.

> I wonder if he just got lucky that no one was posted near that building,
> or if he knew about how the Secret Service covered rallies, or if he
> staked out several buildings and saw that one wasn't guarded.
>
> Whatever the case, it was a huge failure on the part of local law
> enforcement and/or the Secret Service.
>

Time will tell. Seems that he slipped in with the local yokels.

-hh

On 2024-07-16, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>>All of which is irrelevant: reportedly Crooks was outside of the USSS's
>>secure perimeter, so PA State Laws apply: its an Open Carry State, so
>>despite anything we want to say, Crooks was 100% legal until he pulled
>>the trigger, so from a RoE standpoint, any counter-sniper opening fire
>>on him beforehand would have been a clear violation of his 2A rights.
>>
>>Granted, the USSS perimeter really should have covered that building and
>>its roof, but that's a different question. As it stood, until Crooks
>>did anything more, he was at most been guilty of trespassing, which
>>doesn't carry the death sentence.
>
> That's some of the stupidest shit that I've seen in some time,
> -highhorse.

Actually, even if any of -high horse's bullshit made sense, it is still
illegal to trespass on someone else's property as this attempted assassin
did. So, you'll have to try harder -high horse, because your grasping at
straws bullshit and hyper spin doctoring just isn't going to cut it.

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On 2024-07-16, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 10:17:45 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>>All of which is irrelevant: reportedly Crooks was outside of the USSS's
>>>secure perimeter, so PA State Laws apply: its an Open Carry State, so
>>>despite anything we want to say, Crooks was 100% legal until he pulled
>>>the trigger, so from a RoE standpoint, any counter-sniper opening fire
>>>on him beforehand would have been a clear violation of his 2A rights.
>>>
>>>Granted, the USSS perimeter really should have covered that building and
>>>its roof, but that's a different question. As it stood, until Crooks
>>>did anything more, he was at most been guilty of trespassing, which
>>>doesn't carry the death sentence.
>>
>> That's some of the stupidest shit that I've seen in some time,
>> -highhorse.
>
> Yes he has surpassed himself. I will have to agree the Secret Service is
> either complicit or incompetent. This wasn't exactly a sniper concealed in
> a prepared nest 800 yards away.
>
> https://www.dailywire.com/news/founder-of-the-private-military-company-
> blackwater-breaks-down-trump-assassination-attempt
>
> If I were Trump I'd bring my own security.

I was thinking the same thing.

> https://news.clearancejobs.com/2015/05/28/top-10-secret-service-scandals/
>
> https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-115hhrg27612/html/
> CHRG-115hhrg27612.htm
>
> tl;dr. summary after skimming: low recruitment, low retention, low pay,
> low morale and inadequate training.
>

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On 2024-07-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-07-16 11:17 a.m., chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> All of which is irrelevant: reportedly Crooks was outside of the USSS's
>>> secure perimeter, so PA State Laws apply: its an Open Carry State, so
>>> despite anything we want to say, Crooks was 100% legal until he pulled
>>> the trigger, so from a RoE standpoint, any counter-sniper opening fire
>>> on him beforehand would have been a clear violation of his 2A rights.
>>>
>>> Granted, the USSS perimeter really should have covered that building and
>>> its roof, but that's a different question. As it stood, until Crooks
>>> did anything more, he was at most been guilty of trespassing, which
>>> doesn't carry the death sentence.
>>
>> That's some of the stupidest shit that I've seen in some time,
>> -highhorse.
>
> To be fair, if a kid looking like Crooks entered my gun shop, I'd assume
> that he was buying a gun to off himself. Of course, you don't need a
> sniper rifle to shoot yourself in the mouth. I'm surprised nobody
> expected that Jewish Urkel to do something criminal.

What's odd is that Crooks appeared in at least one BlackRock commercial. And
why do they keep showing pictures of him when he was in his early teens
instead of one of the recent pictures which are easily available?

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On 2024-07-16, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>>I read a lot of different sources and actually think through what I'm
>>reading. Detecting fake "data", missing data, illogical "conclusions",
>>over-generalization, daemonization, ranting versus discourse,
>
> Along these lines, why do you suppose that whites in America are
> demonized because of slavery, when every race has enslaved others?
> Some still do. Why is only the short period of slavery in America
> taught and decried in our schools?

They also fail to mention white slavery (mostly Irish) and indentured
servitude, which was basically another form of slavery.

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
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On 2024-07-16, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>>All of which is irrelevant: reportedly Crooks was outside of the USSS's
>>secure perimeter, so PA State Laws apply: its an Open Carry State, so
>>despite anything we want to say, Crooks was 100% legal until he pulled
>>the trigger, so from a RoE standpoint, any counter-sniper opening fire
>>on him beforehand would have been a clear violation of his 2A rights.
>
> Wrong.
>
> If someone is pointing a weapon at you (or the person you're
> protecting, if you're the secret service), you have a right to shoot.
> You don't need to wait until they pull the trigger before you respond.
>
> Sheesh!
>
> To state that the secret service can't shoot someone who is pointing a
> gun at the person they are protecting is the height of idiocy. It's
> the height of idiocy to state that they can only do their jobs if the
> assassin is inside some alleged "secure perimeter".

-high horse is spinning like a top. He knows he's full of crap.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

-hh wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>>If someone is pointing a weapon at you (or the person you're
>>protecting, if you're the secret service), you have a right to shoot.
>>You don't need to wait until they pull the trigger before you respond.
>>
>>Sheesh!
>>
>>To state that the secret service can't shoot someone who is pointing a
>>gun at the person they are protecting is the height of idiocy. It's
>>the height of idiocy to state that they can only do their jobs if the
>>assassin is inside some alleged "secure perimeter".
>
> (snipped, unread)

You just want to argue. No one with a brain believes that you need to
wait for the guy pointing a gun at you to pull the trigger.

If it's an open carry state, could I walk up to Trump, or Biden, with
a handgun pointed at them, and the secret service be unable to touch
me, lest they "violate my 2A rights".

Your brain is simply broken, in some regards, man. The shit that you
argue...

Also, the guy was identified as a suspicious person for many minutes
before he got the shots off. They saw him with a range-finder. They
saw him on the roof with the rifle, before he got the shots off.

Why was Trump not pulled off the stage?

-hh wrote:

> (snipped, unread)

There are only two possibilities, here. A staggering level of
incompetence, or intentionally facilitating an assassination. I'm
starting to believe the latter.

-hh wrote:

> Dumfsck wrote:
>>
>> He gave up his 2A and 4A rights well before that.  The minute he
>> committed the extremely suspicious act of carrying a gun up a ladder to
>> the roof of a building near a political rally, he was subject to lawful
>> detainment and investigation.
>
> Yes, but that's not a capital offense.

If you think that's how it works, with the secret service, you're a GD
idiot.

"We couldn't shoot him. Our only option was to run over there to
detain and investigate."

Sheesh! Listen to yourself!

RonB wrote:

>-high horse is spinning like a top. He knows he's full of crap.

The incompetent diversity hire who runs the secret service has now
come out with the reason why there was no officers on the roof.

It was a "safety" issue, because of the "sloped" roof, you see.

*gobsmack*

Have you seen pictures of that roof? It's a very gentle slope. You
wouldn't slide off of it.

Are we expected to believe that our supposedly elite security forces
cannot handle being on a slightly sloped roof??? That they will just
cede that high ground? It's "too dangerous"?

FFS, a *child* would have NO PROBLEM on that roof!

chrisv wrote:

>If it's an open carry state, could I walk up to Trump, or Biden, with
>a handgun pointed at them, and the secret service be unable to touch
>me, lest they "violate my 2A rights"?

I saw in another post where -highhorse agrees that they could "detain"
me and investigate, but not shoot me.

But there's not always time or opportunity to detain. Like in this
case. Shooting becomes the only option.

>Also, the guy was identified as a suspicious person for many minutes
>before he got the shots off. They saw him with a range-finder. They
>saw him on the roof with the rifle, before he got the shots off.
>
> Why was Trump not pulled off the stage?

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>I read a lot of different sources and actually think through what I'm
>reading. Detecting fake "data", missing data,

Regarding "missing data", why do stories about climate change never
mention the fact that China and India burn about 70% of the world's
coal, and are only ramping-up their use of it?

That's right, over twice the rest of the world combined.

Why do the stories not point out that the West cannot do anything
about the "CO2 problem" if China, India, and Southwest Asia are not on
board?

But tyrants here want to take away our cleaner-burning natural gas
plants. They want to take-away our gas-powered stoves gasoline-power
cars. They want to force us into electric cars that can be turned off
remotely and can't exceed the speed limit.

It just goes on and on!

chrisv wrote:

>The incompetent diversity hire who runs the secret service has now
>come out with the reason why there was no officers on the roof.
>
>It was a "safety" issue, because of the "sloped" roof, you see.
>
>*gobsmack*
>
>Have you seen pictures of that roof? It's a very gentle slope. You
>wouldn't slide off of it.
>
>Are we expected to believe that our supposedly elite security forces
>cannot handle being on a slightly sloped roof??? That they will just
>cede that high ground? It's "too dangerous"?
>
>FFS, a *child* would have NO PROBLEM on that roof!

Oh, and the snipers behind Trump *were* on an equally sloped roof!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-assassination-attempt-secret-service-director-faces-new-heat-sloped-roof-comment

Time for that POS lying incompetent to resign in disgrace.

Oh, but our Homeland Security secretary (Alejandro Mayorkas, another
lying, incompetent piece of shit) says he has '100% confidence' in
Secret Service director!

Really? How bad do you need to fuck up, to get fired from the leftist
Biden administration? You couldn't make this stuff up! 100%! No
loss of confidence at all!

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/homeland-security-secretary-100-confidence-secret-service-director-111963511

On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 20:21:45 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Have you seen pictures of that roof? It's a very gentle slope. You
> wouldn't slide off of it.

But it was really, really hot on the roof. They preferred to be inside
with the A/C. There used to be a guy on alt.home.repair, Stormin' Norman,
who died of cardiac arrest on o roof in the summertime. It could happen to
anyone.

True story: he was doing A/C maintenance and it took the idiots in the
store a couple of days to figure out he went up and never came down.

On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 19:22:10 -0400, -hh wrote:

> Time will tell; investigation is still extremely early.

They'll figure it out eight after they find the person who left pipe bombs
around DC.

> FYI, this "Blackwater founder" got his wind drift calculation wrong.

I doubt the kid was figuring out a solution. Rule of thumb: a 5.56 will
drift 1 inch at 100 yards in a 10 mph wind.

On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 15:07:06 -0400, Joel wrote:

> A trans woman having male genitalia is actually a really smooth thing,

Ain't nothing smooth about my ballsack...

On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 20:11:51 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> -hh wrote:
>
>> (snipped, unread)
>
> There are only two possibilities, here. A staggering level of
> incompetence, or intentionally facilitating an assassination. I'm
> starting to believe the latter.

Speaking of incompetence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Matthew_Crooks

"Both of his parents worked as licensed professional counselors."

On 7/16/2024 10:11 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 15:07:06 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> A trans woman having male genitalia is actually a really smooth thing,
>
> Ain't nothing smooth about my ballsack...

ha!

hanging by a thread, are they?

On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 20:39:13 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Regarding "missing data", why do stories about climate change never
> mention the fact that China and India burn about 70% of the world's
> coal, and are only ramping-up their use of it?

When I have to sit at a crossing and watch a seemingly endless coal train
heading west I contemplate where all the coal is going.

On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 20:51:34 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Really? How bad do you need to fuck up, to get fired from the leftist
> Biden administration? You couldn't make this stuff up! 100%! No loss
> of confidence at all!

When the head honcho thinks Trump is his vice president and Putin is
president of the Ukraine, it's a low bar.

chrisv wrote:

>Why do the stories not point out that the West cannot do anything
>about the "CO2 problem" if China, India, and Southwest Asia are not on
>board?

I meant to say Southeast Asia, there.

rbowman wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> Regarding "missing data", why do stories about climate change never
>> mention the fact that China and India burn about 70% of the world's
>> coal, and are only ramping-up their use of it?
>
>When I have to sit at a crossing and watch a seemingly endless coal train
>heading west I contemplate where all the coal is going.

We do export coal to China. China is stockpiling coal. They are
preparing for war. When the time comes, they will not be short of
energy.

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putting his ignorance on display

Crook was discovered climbing to the roof with his rifle
30 minutes before he killed the Trump supporter.

If Slow Joe had supporters, they might be in trouble too.

_You_ might not want to kill Russians but Ukrainians have a different opinion.

rBowman: When I have to sit at a crossing and watch a seemingly endless coal train
heading west I contemplate where all the coal is going.

53 % of it goes to Japan, 40 % goes to South Korea.

Crook was discovered climbing to the roof with his rifle
30 minutes before he killed the Trump supporter;
imagine if it was a Slow Joe supporter in his sites ! Such things matter.

Death to PutinJungUn.