On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 06:17:20 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> A girl I know is a devout Catholic who was an honours student her entire
> life. She got a scholarship to complete her masters in Geology in
> Germany a few years ago so she clearly knows this stuff extremely well.
> Funny enough, she's still a devout Catholic. I guess the evidence
> against God isn't all that convincing.

The Catholic Church allows a good deal of latitude.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_and_the_Catholic_Church

As you know the CoCC defines what Catholics believe, what they don't
believe, and areas where they are free to chose. afaik a Catholic can
believe in young Earth creationism if they so chose but I doubt many do.
That's more of a Protestant fundamentalist thing.

fwiw the Big Bang theory was proposed by Georges Lemaître, a Catholic
priest. Einstein believed in a steady state universe and introduced a
cosmological constant to make his math come out right. He ate some crow
over that.

On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 06:15:07 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> There is no doubt that using Linux requires a few workarounds. However,
> just using Betterbird/Thunderbird in Linux Mint should serve as an
> example of what the differences are. Navigating in the program is
> somewhat faster in Mint, and typing is immediate. Until you experience
> the difference, the Windows version seems fine. However, once you use it
> in Mint, the first impression you get is that either the operating
> system you were using it in before was slowing down writing or that your
> keystrokes were being recorded. They probably weren't, but there is no
> reason to believe that Microsoft wouldn't suddenly decide to enable that
> functionality since they have telemetry on everything else.

https://www.windowslatest.com/2024/06/24/microsoft-wants-you-to-ditch-
mail-calendar-on-windows-11-for-better-security/

"The Mail & Calendar app will soon be out of the picture, and the new
Outlook Web app will replace it. Microsoft began testing the new app after
showing popups and redirecting the users from the old app to it. According
to the Redmond giant, you must upgrade to the new Outlook web app for
better security."

All the better to spy on you.

On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 06:50:45 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> Anyone going from _installed_ (the live environment might not reproduce
> this) operating system to the other should try it out.
> Betterbird/Thunderbird in Linux feels lighter and more responsive
> whereas the Windows version feels like something is recording your every
> key stroke.

I haven't noticed a difference.

Andrzej Matuch wrote:

>On 2024-06-25 07:45, chrisv wrote:
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> The problem is that for
>>> a cell to turn into a human being, it would necessitate several million
>>> mutations in a row, all of them very beneficial, to occur.
>>
>> Incorrect. Most were not beneficial, and died out. So your entire
>> argument falls apart.
>
>Then the entire human project would have died out before reaching what
>we are today.

No it wouldn't. It didn't. Case proved.

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Joel wrote:

>Give it a rest.

All that dumb fsck has, as a response to demonstrations of his idiocy,
are ad hominems.

--
'I only attack FSF/GuhNoo morons because they say it's "Free
software", but it's really not. All they care about is forcing you to
give your work away for free if you use theirs, and retaining
copyright to your work.' - Dumfsck, lying shamelessly

On 6/25/2024 3:22 PM, shitv wrote:

> "Linux is only SIXTY FUCKING TIMES behind." - some dumb fsck

"Don't try to teach me anything. I'm so much smarter than you
that's we are barely the same species." - turdv

On 2024-06-25 14:39, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 06:17:20 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> A girl I know is a devout Catholic who was an honours student her entire
>> life. She got a scholarship to complete her masters in Geology in
>> Germany a few years ago so she clearly knows this stuff extremely well.
>> Funny enough, she's still a devout Catholic. I guess the evidence
>> against God isn't all that convincing.
>
> The Catholic Church allows a good deal of latitude.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_and_the_Catholic_Church
>
> As you know the CoCC defines what Catholics believe, what they don't
> believe, and areas where they are free to chose. afaik a Catholic can
> believe in young Earth creationism if they so chose but I doubt many do.
> That's more of a Protestant fundamentalist thing.
>
> fwiw the Big Bang theory was proposed by Georges Lemaître, a Catholic
> priest. Einstein believed in a steady state universe and introduced a
> cosmological constant to make his math come out right. He ate some crow
> over that.

Interesting, thank you for that lesson.

--
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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-06-25 14:41, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 06:15:07 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> There is no doubt that using Linux requires a few workarounds. However,
>> just using Betterbird/Thunderbird in Linux Mint should serve as an
>> example of what the differences are. Navigating in the program is
>> somewhat faster in Mint, and typing is immediate. Until you experience
>> the difference, the Windows version seems fine. However, once you use it
>> in Mint, the first impression you get is that either the operating
>> system you were using it in before was slowing down writing or that your
>> keystrokes were being recorded. They probably weren't, but there is no
>> reason to believe that Microsoft wouldn't suddenly decide to enable that
>> functionality since they have telemetry on everything else.
>
> https://www.windowslatest.com/2024/06/24/microsoft-wants-you-to-ditch-
> mail-calendar-on-windows-11-for-better-security/
>
> "The Mail & Calendar app will soon be out of the picture, and the new
> Outlook Web app will replace it. Microsoft began testing the new app after
> showing popups and redirecting the users from the old app to it. According
> to the Redmond giant, you must upgrade to the new Outlook web app for
> better security."
>
> All the better to spy on you.

Pretty much. Such stuff is partly why I decided that I would encrypt all
of my e-mail a few years ago. My contacts, calendar and e-mail are all
encrypted. I insist that my communications remain private.

--
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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-06-25 15:22, chrisv wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> On 2024-06-25 07:45, chrisv wrote:
>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> The problem is that for
>>>> a cell to turn into a human being, it would necessitate several million
>>>> mutations in a row, all of them very beneficial, to occur.
>>>
>>> Incorrect. Most were not beneficial, and died out. So your entire
>>> argument falls apart.
>>
>> Then the entire human project would have died out before reaching what
>> we are today.
>
> No it wouldn't. It didn't. Case proved.

The amount of faith it takes for you to suspend all logic to believe
that humans evolved from a single cell is no greater than the amount of
faith I have that God created humans. There are quite a few books on the
matter showing that it is not only impossible but that the evidence of
such evolution simply doesn't exist. However, you are free to follow
your Darwinist religion much as I am free to follow Catholicism.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-06-25, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>>On 2024-06-25 07:45, chrisv wrote:
>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> The problem is that for
>>>> a cell to turn into a human being, it would necessitate several million
>>>> mutations in a row, all of them very beneficial, to occur.
>>>
>>> Incorrect. Most were not beneficial, and died out. So your entire
>>> argument falls apart.
>>
>>Then the entire human project would have died out before reaching what
>>we are today.
>
> No it wouldn't. It didn't. Case proved.

Circular reasoning.

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On 2024-06-25, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-06-24 18:06, chrisv wrote:
>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Considering how Darwin's Theory of Evolution is complete excrement which
>>>> can be debunked in seven seconds, God is the best explanation for
>>>> everything around us. <https://www.discovery.org/a/10661/>
>>>
>>> That's some kooky shit, there.
>
> Indeed, they pretty much have no idea.
>
>> Feel free to believe the contrary, countless Darwinists have too only to
>> eventually realize that the theory that has consumed their entire lives
>> needs constant lies to be supported. We're supposed to believe that life
>> emerged from nothing even though that is scientifically impossible, and
>> that a series of mutations, all beneficial, led to us becoming what we
>> are today. Meanwhile, mutations are almost always negative and/or fatal.
>> We're also supposed to believe that we evolved from apes even though it
>> would take several hundred million mutations, all beneficial, for them
>> to turn into us. This is somehow science even though it is not only
>> contrary to all scientific laws but logic.
>
> :-D
>
> You find it far easier to believe in a universal invisible entity that
> has a thing for mankind, than to believe in some natural results of physics and
> chemistry. It's not all "mutations", bub.

The problem is it has not been demonstrated that these are the natural
results of physics or chemistry. Unless I have, somehow, missed your
"fact-based" explanation about how life originated from non-life, or how
chance can produce the complexity of life — or coordinate supposedly
thousands (millions?) of random mutations to somehow "create" complex organs
like eyes.

Blind chance is just too ridiculous of a hypothesis to explain the
multitudes and varieties of complex life. I'm not that gullible.

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-06-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-06-25 07:59, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-06-24 18:06, chrisv wrote:
>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Considering how Darwin's Theory of Evolution is complete excrement which
>>>>> can be debunked in seven seconds, God is the best explanation for
>>>>> everything around us. <https://www.discovery.org/a/10661/>
>>>>
>>>> That's some kooky shit, there.
>>
>> Indeed, they pretty much have no idea.
>>
>>> Feel free to believe the contrary, countless Darwinists have too only to
>>> eventually realize that the theory that has consumed their entire lives
>>> needs constant lies to be supported. We're supposed to believe that life
>>> emerged from nothing even though that is scientifically impossible, and
>>> that a series of mutations, all beneficial, led to us becoming what we
>>> are today. Meanwhile, mutations are almost always negative and/or fatal.
>>> We're also supposed to believe that we evolved from apes even though it
>>> would take several hundred million mutations, all beneficial, for them
>>> to turn into us. This is somehow science even though it is not only
>>> contrary to all scientific laws but logic.
>>
>> :-D
>>
>> You find it far easier to believe in a universal invisible entity that
>> has a thing for mankind, than to believe in some natural results of physics and
>> chemistry. It's not all "mutations", bub.
>
> That is the point though: Darwinism _ignores_ physics, chemistry,
> genetics and the rest to reach its conclusion.

Exactly. Evolution is faith-based. No one knows *how* evolution actually
happened, but they believe by faith in the "fact" of Evolution. (They might
as well capitalize the word "Evolution" because it has all the creative
powers of God.)

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
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On 2024-06-25, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-06-25 07:59, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-06-24 18:06, chrisv wrote:
>>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Considering how Darwin's Theory of Evolution is complete excrement which
>>>>>> can be debunked in seven seconds, God is the best explanation for
>>>>>> everything around us. <https://www.discovery.org/a/10661/>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's some kooky shit, there.
>>>
>>> Indeed, they pretty much have no idea.
>>>
>>>> Feel free to believe the contrary, countless Darwinists have too only to
>>>> eventually realize that the theory that has consumed their entire lives
>>>> needs constant lies to be supported. We're supposed to believe that life
>>>> emerged from nothing even though that is scientifically impossible, and
>>>> that a series of mutations, all beneficial, led to us becoming what we
>>>> are today. Meanwhile, mutations are almost always negative and/or fatal.
>>>> We're also supposed to believe that we evolved from apes even though it
>>>> would take several hundred million mutations, all beneficial, for them
>>>> to turn into us. This is somehow science even though it is not only
>>>> contrary to all scientific laws but logic.
>>>
>>> :-D
>>>
>>> You find it far easier to believe in a universal invisible entity that
>>> has a thing for mankind, than to believe in some natural results of physics and
>>> chemistry. It's not all "mutations", bub.
>>
>> That is the point though: Darwinism _ignores_ physics, chemistry,
>> genetics and the rest to reach its conclusion.
>
> Darwinism, IIRC, doesn't speculate on the cause of changes, only that they do
> occur and some yield a higher probability of survival.

Unfortunately that's not good science. That's guesswork or speculation. But
atheistic "scientists" (so-called) glommed on to it because it gave them an
alternative to God.

> But speciation is not just about survival. For example, a population (say,
> insects) that gets divided all of a sudden by some natural barrier, will start
> to grow ever more different, and ultimately cannot interbreed.

That's called adaptation, or "micro-evolution." That's not what
evolutionists mean when they speak of evolution, where (for example) a
land-bound lizard turns into a flying bird. That's called "macro-evolution."
One does not lead into the other. For evolution to make sense we have to
have a lot better explanations for so-called "macro-evolution" then we
currently have.

I won't be holding my breath.

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 00:37:16 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Exactly. Evolution is faith-based. No one knows *how* evolution actually
> happened, but they believe by faith in the "fact" of Evolution. (They
> might as well capitalize the word "Evolution" because it has all the
> creative powers of God.)

At least evolution doesn't create a god who stacks the deck, creates
original sin, necessitating a redeemer somewhere down the line. Talk about
guilt trips.

On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 13:13:44 -0400
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

Remember when "EE" shitv didn't know the difference between
positive and negative feedback?

>
> It probably is. Other than liking MS QuickBasic years ago, I don't
> recall the nasty dullard talking about his favorite apps or doing
> anything else with his computer.
>

RonB wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The problem is that for
>>>>> a cell to turn into a human being, it would necessitate several million
>>>>> mutations in a row, all of them very beneficial, to occur.
>>>>
>>>> Incorrect. Most were not beneficial, and died out. So your entire
>>>> argument falls apart.
>>>
>>>Then the entire human project would have died out before reaching what
>>>we are today.
>>
>> No it wouldn't. It didn't. Case proved.
>
>Circular reasoning.

Yet you don't point out the absurdity of his "then the" argument. An
argument worthy of -highhorse. Totally made-up and false. Just like
his earlier "it would necessitate" claim.

It's just one thing like that after another, and I lose patience with
it.

RonB wrote:

>> Darwinism, IIRC, doesn't speculate on the cause of changes, only that they do
>> occur and some yield a higher probability of survival.
>
> Unfortunately that's not good science.

Just because the knowledge of "physics, chemistry, genetics and the
rest" that we have today didn't exist, doesn't mean that science
couldn't be done. They had lots of things figured-out.

some nym-shifting coward wrote:

>Remember when "EE" shitv didn't know the difference between
>positive and negative feedback?

Sure! I also think it's stupid to test software to makes sure that it
works! And that you and DumFSck are not pathetic, lying losers!

You do know that it makes the winner, when you have to *lie* to attack
me, right?

--
"It's the presence of negative feedback that maintains the stability."
- trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel", putting his ignorance on display

chrisv wrote:

> some nym-shifting coward wrote:
>>
>>Remember when "EE" shitv didn't know the difference between
>>positive and negative feedback?
>
>Sure! I also think it's stupid to test software to makes sure that it
>works! And that you and DumFSck are not pathetic, lying losers!
>
>You do know that it makes the winner, when you have to *lie* to attack
>me, right?

s/it makes/it makes me/

All responses from losers, cowards, liars, and assholes (and those
who, like "Sam", are all four rolled into one - congrats!) will be
deleted, unread.

--
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not one of them. Just the opposite, in fact. The more negative
feedback there is, the greater the chance of *instability*.' -
chrisv, BSEE, 100% correct

Andrzej Matuch wrote:

>>> As for Microsoft, they had
>>> manufacturers implement Secure Boot as a security measure which doesn't
>>> seem to do much other than make it annoying to install Linux with
>>> proprietary drivers.
>>
>> That can be turned off.
>
> For now.

If the situation gets desperate, a Raspberry Pi, or similar, will do
the essentials. The latest one has a 2.4 GHz quad-core and 8 GB ram.

https://www.mouser.com/new/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-5-sbc/

--
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choose what these Linux vermin want you to choose." - "flatfish",
lying shamelessly

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-06-25, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-06-25 07:59, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-06-24 18:06, chrisv wrote:
>>>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Considering how Darwin's Theory of Evolution is complete excrement which
>>>>>>> can be debunked in seven seconds, God is the best explanation for
>>>>>>> everything around us. <https://www.discovery.org/a/10661/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's some kooky shit, there.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, they pretty much have no idea.
>>>>
>>>>> Feel free to believe the contrary, countless Darwinists have too only to
>>>>> eventually realize that the theory that has consumed their entire lives
>>>>> needs constant lies to be supported. We're supposed to believe that life
>>>>> emerged from nothing even though that is scientifically impossible, and
>>>>> that a series of mutations, all beneficial, led to us becoming what we
>>>>> are today. Meanwhile, mutations are almost always negative and/or fatal.
>>>>> We're also supposed to believe that we evolved from apes even though it
>>>>> would take several hundred million mutations, all beneficial, for them
>>>>> to turn into us. This is somehow science even though it is not only
>>>>> contrary to all scientific laws but logic.
>>>>
>>>> :-D
>>>>
>>>> You find it far easier to believe in a universal invisible entity that
>>>> has a thing for mankind, than to believe in some natural results of physics and
>>>> chemistry. It's not all "mutations", bub.
>>>
>>> That is the point though: Darwinism _ignores_ physics, chemistry,
>>> genetics and the rest to reach its conclusion.
>>
>> Darwinism, IIRC, doesn't speculate on the cause of changes, only that they do
>> occur and some yield a higher probability of survival.
>
> Unfortunately that's not good science. That's guesswork or speculation. But
> atheistic "scientists" (so-called) glommed on to it because it gave them an
> alternative to God.
>
>> But speciation is not just about survival. For example, a population (say,
>> insects) that gets divided all of a sudden by some natural barrier, will start
>> to grow ever more different, and ultimately cannot interbreed.
>
> That's called adaptation, or "micro-evolution." That's not what
> evolutionists mean when they speak of evolution, where (for example) a
> land-bound lizard turns into a flying bird. That's called "macro-evolution."
> One does not lead into the other. For evolution to make sense we have to
> have a lot better explanations for so-called "macro-evolution" then we
> currently have.
>
> I won't be holding my breath.

LMAO at "macro-evolution". You don't even know what it is.

--
The notes blatted skyward as they rose over the Canada geese, feathered
rumps mooning the day, webbed appendages frantically pedaling unseen
bicycles in their search for sustenance, driven by cruel Nature's maxim,
'Ya wanna eat, ya gotta work,' and at last I knew Pittsburgh.
-- Winning sentence, 1987 Bulwer-Lytton bad fiction contest.

On 6/26/2024 2:28 AM, Sam wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 13:13:44 -0400
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>
> Remember when "EE" shitv didn't know the difference between
> positive and negative feedback?

heh! You old-timer you.

Today, shitv doesn't know the difference between woman and women.

On 2024-06-26 06:34, chrisv wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>>>> As for Microsoft, they had
>>>> manufacturers implement Secure Boot as a security measure which doesn't
>>>> seem to do much other than make it annoying to install Linux with
>>>> proprietary drivers.
>>>
>>> That can be turned off.
>>
>> For now.
>
> If the situation gets desperate, a Raspberry Pi, or similar, will do
> the essentials. The latest one has a 2.4 GHz quad-core and 8 GB ram.
>
> https://www.mouser.com/new/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-5-sbc/

How long before they demand that Raspberry Pis come with some sort of
backdoor for them to spy on users?

--
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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-06-26, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 00:37:16 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> Exactly. Evolution is faith-based. No one knows *how* evolution actually
>> happened, but they believe by faith in the "fact" of Evolution. (They
>> might as well capitalize the word "Evolution" because it has all the
>> creative powers of God.)
>
> At least evolution doesn't create a god who stacks the deck, creates
> original sin, necessitating a redeemer somewhere down the line. Talk about
> guilt trips.

I don't have the brain-power to second guess an all-powerful, infinite God
but I'm guessing there was a reason for how and why He created the universe.

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-06-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> RonB wrote:
>
>>> Darwinism, IIRC, doesn't speculate on the cause of changes, only that they do
>>> occur and some yield a higher probability of survival.
>>
>> Unfortunately that's not good science.
>
> Just because the knowledge of "physics, chemistry, genetics and the
> rest" that we have today didn't exist, doesn't mean that science
> couldn't be done. They had lots of things figured-out.

Evolution is not one of the things "figured out." It's a theory. In science
theories are supposed to be tested, not blindly believed as a "fact."

--
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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine