Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>On 2024-06-24 23:18, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>> On 6/24/2024 7:14 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-24 19:02, Joel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> To be honest, it's kind of unbelievable how just in the time of
>>>>> Win11's being current, we've seen this manifest.  I liked Win11 when I
>>>>> first used it.  I would *never* *think* of going back to M$, now.
>>>>> Linux or death.
>>>>
>>>> I can only hope that I'll have the same kind of strength for myself. I
>>>> regretfully often "forget" why it becomes necessary for me to leave
>>>> Windows. Each time, I tell myself that the unethical behaviour is not as
>>>> bad as I thought or whatever. In the end, it almost always turns out to
>>>> be worse than I even imagined. Anyway, I've managed to set up Linux Mint
>>>> the way I want it to be with asusctl working and my games running as
>>>> expected. I no longer have access to my Microsoft movie collection, but
>>>> that's fine. I imagine that it's a matter of time before they make those
>>>> movies available through the web anyway. If they don't, fine... they're
>>>> accessible through my Xbox Series S. I won't install an operating system
>>>> which is most likely spying on everything I do just to have access to a
>>>> library of movies I never watch.
>>>
>>> heh! Here we go again!
>>
>> I believe him, this time, though. He's making a very valid point,
>> that commercial software is going in a novel direction. Linux may
>> quickly become the only choice, for someone who remembers the wild
>> west Internet.
>
>DFS is right, either way. Maybe it won't last and I'll be seduced by the
>fact that I have a movie collection in Windows or that my fingerprint
>sensor is supported there. However, the list of grievances is pretty
>large now. Client-side scanning, keylogging, advertising ID, general
>telemetry, reverting to Edge against your will, vulnerability to a
>variety of malware (some of which just took out the Federal Reserve),
>progressive slowdown, system files breaking for no reason requiring SFC
>and DISM, etc.. The battery is supposed to last longer in Windows, but I
>just checked here and my 77% charge is slated as being able to go
>another 10 hours in Linux Mint which is twice what Windows got me under
>the same circumstances. At some point, I just need to retire from the
>barrage of compromises in Windows and accept a few workarounds in Linux.

Only you will be able to decide, ultimately, but I'm choosing to
believe that this time you've truly come around to the truth, about M$
and commercial software.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-06-24 23:39, DFS wrote:
> On 6/24/2024 7:11 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On 2024-06-24 18:59, Joel wrote:
>>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-24 18:06, chrisv wrote:
>>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Considering how Darwin's Theory of Evolution is complete excrement
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> can be debunked in seven seconds, God is the best explanation for
>>>>>> everything around us. <https://www.discovery.org/a/10661/>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's some kooky shit, there.
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to believe the contrary, countless Darwinists have too
>>>> only to
>>>> eventually realize that the theory that has consumed their entire lives
>>>> needs constant lies to be supported. We're supposed to believe that
>>>> life
>>>> emerged from nothing even though that is scientifically impossible, and
>>>> that a series of mutations, all beneficial, led to us becoming what we
>>>> are today. Meanwhile, mutations are almost always negative and/or
>>>> fatal.
>>>> We're also supposed to believe that we evolved from apes even though it
>>>> would take several hundred million mutations, all beneficial, for them
>>>> to turn into us. This is somehow science even though it is not only
>>>> contrary to all scientific laws but logic.
>>>
>>>
>>> Right, they will say it was millions or billions of years of
>>> mutations, or whatever, but I'd give them a trillion years, it still
>>> wouldn't create anything like an orange tree or a human being, it's
>>> laughable.  God wanted it to *look* like it could be what we call
>>> "evolution", and it's fine for science to theorize it as such, but
>>> intuition tells us that it's hooey.
>>
>> I'm surprised that we agree. I guess I've judged you too harshly.
>
> Joel and Slimer bonding over shared delusions... but I don't see a
> dinner party in their future.

From an early age, Catholics are asked to love their neighbour. I don't
condone what he does behind closed doors and would never vote for
politicians who would ask us to celebrate it, but it's none of my
business otherwise. I don't hate him.

> The Apostles Creed:
>
> "I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and in
> Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord. He was conceived by the
> Holy Ghost, and born of the virgin, Mary. He suffered under Pontius
> Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into Hades. On
> the third day He rose again from the dead, ascended into Heaven, and
> sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence He will
> come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Ghost, the
> holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins,
> the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen."
>
>
>
> I was raised Catholic and spent YEARS being subjected to this absurd
> nonsense.  My wife is also Catholic (non-practicing) and I occasionally
> attend a Sunday service with her nice family, but I literally chuckle
> when reading the hymnals and missives and listening to the priest
> blather on.
>
> Luckily my father was a devout atheist.

There was an devout atheist like him who was lucky enough to have had a
near-death experience. He went on speaking tours and had his experience
highlighted on Unsolved Mysteries at some point though they took some
liberties with his story <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an08hdvzFWs>.
Here is a summary:

1) He dies.
2) He is ignored by his wife in his room (he doesn't know he's dead) and
only feels her anger.
3) He leaves the hospital room to find a doctor to complain to.
4) He immediately feels that he will never get back in that room.
5) The people in the hallway push him in one direction, he feels pulled.
6) The further along he goes, the more aggressive they become and the
darker they look.
7) He eventually ends up in an area where there are being who look like
they might have been human at one time.
8) The people who pulled him jump him and proceed to tear his flesh.
9) He suffers until he calls to Jesus Christ, someone he didn't believe in.
10) Immediately, he is protected and instructed that it is not yet his
time and that he is asked to go on with life with love in his heart.

To say the least, he became a loving father immediately thereafter and a
very devout Christian.

I would prefer to live my life with love in my heart if that's what God
wants from me. I will _never_ accept the deviance from the alphabet
community and the general hatred "progressives" and their Communist
masters have for humanity, but I do want to love my brothers and sisters.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-06-24 23:45, DFS wrote:
> On 6/24/2024 7:02 PM, Joel wrote:
>
>
>> I would*never*  *think*  of going back to M$, now.  Linux or death.
>
>
> You're trying mighty hard to convince yourself.

At this point, with everything we've learned over two decades, using
Windows is only good if you don't value your privacy at all.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-06-24 23:57, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>> I would*never* *think* of going back to M$, now. Linux or death.
>>
>> You're trying mighty hard to convince yourself.
>
>
> I'm very serious. I am not claiming Linux is *perfect*, but on
> balance, it's a dream compared to Win11's bloat. I work easier,
> running it, and wouldn't choose anything else.

There is no doubt that using Linux requires a few workarounds. However,
just using Betterbird/Thunderbird in Linux Mint should serve as an
example of what the differences are. Navigating in the program is
somewhat faster in Mint, and typing is immediate. Until you experience
the difference, the Windows version seems fine. However, once you use it
in Mint, the first impression you get is that either the operating
system you were using it in before was slowing down writing or that your
keystrokes were being recorded. They probably weren't, but there is no
reason to believe that Microsoft wouldn't suddenly decide to enable that
functionality since they have telemetry on everything else.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-06-25 00:15, Joel wrote:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>>> Right, they will say it was millions or billions of years of mutations,
>>> or whatever, but I'd give them a trillion years, it still wouldn't
>>> create anything like an orange tree or a human being, it's laughable.
>>> God wanted it to *look* like it could be what we call "evolution", and
>>> it's fine for science to theorize it as such, but intuition tells us
>>> that it's hooey.
>>
>> A friend who was a Young Earth creationist explained the strata in the
>> Grand Canyon basically by saying god was only fucking with the geologists.
>> Once you've wandered into the supernatural anything is possible.
>
>
> Geology was the science credit I happened to take, in college, really
> great class, great professor who had done a lot of expeditions, he had
> slides he'd show us. I just barely managed to get a B for the
> semester, nearly got what would've been my only C, it was a tough
> class for me, but fascinating.

A girl I know is a devout Catholic who was an honours student her entire
life. She got a scholarship to complete her masters in Geology in
Germany a few years ago so she clearly knows this stuff extremely well.
Funny enough, she's still a devout Catholic. I guess the evidence
against God isn't all that convincing.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 6/24/2024 7:11 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On 2024-06-24 18:59, Joel wrote:
>>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We're supposed to believe that life
>>>> emerged from nothing even though that is scientifically impossible, and
>>>> that a series of mutations, all beneficial, led to us becoming what we
>>>> are today. Meanwhile, mutations are almost always negative and/or fatal.
>>>> We're also supposed to believe that we evolved from apes even though it
>>>> would take several hundred million mutations, all beneficial, for them
>>>> to turn into us. This is somehow science even though it is not only
>>>> contrary to all scientific laws but logic.
>>>
>>> Right, they will say it was millions or billions of years of
>>> mutations, or whatever, but I'd give them a trillion years, it still
>>> wouldn't create anything like an orange tree or a human being, it's
>>> laughable.  God wanted it to *look* like it could be what we call
>>> "evolution", and it's fine for science to theorize it as such, but
>>> intuition tells us that it's hooey.
>>
>> I'm surprised that we agree. I guess I've judged you too harshly.
>
>Joel and Slimer bonding over shared delusions... but I don't see a
>dinner party in their future.

I like Andrzej, for all our differences, he has an interesting
intellect. As do you, of course.

>The Apostles Creed:
>
>"I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and in
>Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord. He was conceived by the
>Holy Ghost, and born of the virgin, Mary. He suffered under Pontius
>Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into Hades. On
>the third day He rose again from the dead, ascended into Heaven, and
>sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence He will
>come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Ghost, the
>holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins,
>the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen."
>
>
>
>I was raised Catholic and spent YEARS being subjected to this absurd
>nonsense. My wife is also Catholic (non-practicing) and I occasionally
>attend a Sunday service with her nice family, but I literally chuckle
>when reading the hymnals and missives and listening to the priest
>blather on.
>
>Luckily my father was a devout atheist.

God appreciates atheists, these days, with all the right-wing nutjobs
who purport to follow Jesus, good lord they are Satanic, in reality.
You're *conservative* in a more genuine sense, not a Trump fan, not a
moron. I appreciate that perspective, all the more now, e.g. with
Liz Cheney and so forth.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>On 2024-06-24 23:39, DFS wrote:
>> On 6/24/2024 7:11 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-24 18:59, Joel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Right, they will say it was millions or billions of years of
>>>> mutations, or whatever, but I'd give them a trillion years, it still
>>>> wouldn't create anything like an orange tree or a human being, it's
>>>> laughable.  God wanted it to *look* like it could be what we call
>>>> "evolution", and it's fine for science to theorize it as such, but
>>>> intuition tells us that it's hooey.
>>>
>>> I'm surprised that we agree. I guess I've judged you too harshly.
>>
>> Joel and Slimer bonding over shared delusions... but I don't see a
>> dinner party in their future.
>
> From an early age, Catholics are asked to love their neighbour. I don't
>condone what he does behind closed doors and would never vote for
>politicians who would ask us to celebrate it, but it's none of my
>business otherwise. I don't hate him.

It's just sex, it's not the whole of my life. I'm interested in the
person, more than just physical intimacy, I don't indulge in sex for
sex's sake, I'm more mature than that, I reserve it for expressions of
true intimacy with a partner, who means everything to me.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:

>using Betterbird/Thunderbird in Linux Mint should serve as an
>example of what the differences are. Navigating in the program is
>somewhat faster in Mint, and typing is immediate. Until you experience
>the difference, the Windows version seems fine. However, once you use it
>in Mint, the first impression you get is that either the operating
>system you were using it in before was slowing down writing or that your
>keystrokes were being recorded. They probably weren't, but there is no
>reason to believe that Microsoft wouldn't suddenly decide to enable that
>functionality since they have telemetry on everything else.

That's interesting. I never used it a whole lot under either OS, to
have noticed, I guess, but it's an interesting thing to contemplate.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-06-25 01:45, Sebastian Wells wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jun 2024 18:49:19 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> On 2024-06-24 18:06, chrisv wrote:
>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Considering how Darwin's Theory of Evolution is complete excrement
>>>> which can be debunked in seven seconds, God is the best explanation
>>>> for everything around us. <https://www.discovery.org/a/10661/>
>>>
>>> That's some kooky shit, there.
>>
>> Feel free to believe the contrary, countless Darwinists have too only to
>> eventually realize that the theory that has consumed their entire lives
>> needs constant lies to be supported. We're supposed to believe that life
>> emerged from nothing even though that is scientifically impossible, and
>> that a series of mutations, all beneficial, led to us becoming what we
>> are today. Meanwhile, mutations are almost always negative and/or fatal.
>> We're also supposed to believe that we evolved from apes even though it
>> would take several hundred million mutations, all beneficial, for them
>> to turn into us. This is somehow science even though it is not only
>> contrary to all scientific laws but logic.
>
> All that's required to debunk this argument is to point out the fact that
> genetic algorithms, which are literally just Darwinian evolution
> implemented as a computer program, can be used to solve real problems.
>
> The reason evolution works is because the bad mutations are thrown out
> by virtue of those that have fatal or negative mutations either dying
> or being losers, while good mutations are amplified because those who
> have them enjoy huge advantages over the rest. This is also the
> reason genetic algorithms work: You literally just randomly permute
> a possible solution and amplify the best results while deleting the rest.

The problem is that Darwinists will say that we all started off as the
same kind of being but evolved in different directions. We were a single
cell that appeared out of nowhere (life just emerged) and a series of
mutations turned us into mammals, fish or birds. The problem is that for
a cell to turn into a human being, it would necessitate several million
mutations in a row, all of them very beneficial, to occur. It is
literally impossible the same way that it is impossible for something to
suddenly come to life. Meanwhile, scientists know that when creatures
procreate, they actually _lose_ genes their parents had rather than gain
any new ones. How then would two fish suddenly have a child with can
breathe air? Everyone loves to say that The Holy Bible is a fairy tale
but you have to suspend all logic and common sense to believe what
Darwinists say. Even _they_ know that they need to constantly come up
with new theories to explain the errors in their original theories.
Meanwhile, we are taught that those erroneous ideas are a fact but the
Holy Bible's story is all garbage.

To give you an idea, we were told that Noah's flood didn't happen. At
the same time, every ideology on Earth has a story of a flood which
washes away most of civilization leaving few survivors.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-06-25 01:57, Sebastian Wells wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jun 2024 19:59:33 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> On 2024-06-24 19:37, Joel wrote:
>>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've managed to set up Linux Mint the way I want it to be with asusctl
>>>> working and my games running as expected. I no longer have access to
>>>> my Microsoft movie collection, but that's fine. I imagine that it's a
>>>> matter of time before they make those movies available through the web
>>>> anyway. If they don't, fine... they're accessible through my Xbox
>>>> Series S. I won't install an operating system which is most likely
>>>> spying on everything I do just to have access to a library of movies I
>>>> never watch.
>>>
>>>
>>> When you say Microsoft movie collection, does that mean they were
>>> purchased through MS, or encoded from discs with MS software?
>>
>> Purchased through the Windows Store and playable through the Xbox or
>> Microsoft Films & TV (called Movies & TV in the United States). The
>> deals were excellent, around $5 a movie, and I bought a good number so
>> you can imagine why I wouldn't be too thrilled about losing access to
>> them. Still, between that and having every one of my key strokes,
>> website visits and activities recorded by the state, I will gladly lose
>> immediate access for privacy. I've been on and off Linux for two
>> decades, but I think it's finally time that I respect myself and accept
>> whatever drawbacks I find if it means that my privacy is preserved.
>
> The solution to that problem is to install a BitTorrent client
> (Transmission is decent) and find non-DRM'd versions of those
> movies on <https://tpb.party/>. You should never have accepted
> having controls placed on what you can do with your movie files.

I might actually go ahead and download those movies in that way. Since I
already own them, I don't see how it is illegal to obtain them in a more
ethical form.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-06-25 05:52, Joel wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-06-24 23:18, Joel wrote:
>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>> On 6/24/2024 7:14 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-06-24 19:02, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To be honest, it's kind of unbelievable how just in the time of
>>>>>> Win11's being current, we've seen this manifest.  I liked Win11 when I
>>>>>> first used it.  I would *never* *think* of going back to M$, now.
>>>>>> Linux or death.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can only hope that I'll have the same kind of strength for myself. I
>>>>> regretfully often "forget" why it becomes necessary for me to leave
>>>>> Windows. Each time, I tell myself that the unethical behaviour is not as
>>>>> bad as I thought or whatever. In the end, it almost always turns out to
>>>>> be worse than I even imagined. Anyway, I've managed to set up Linux Mint
>>>>> the way I want it to be with asusctl working and my games running as
>>>>> expected. I no longer have access to my Microsoft movie collection, but
>>>>> that's fine. I imagine that it's a matter of time before they make those
>>>>> movies available through the web anyway. If they don't, fine... they're
>>>>> accessible through my Xbox Series S. I won't install an operating system
>>>>> which is most likely spying on everything I do just to have access to a
>>>>> library of movies I never watch.
>>>>
>>>> heh! Here we go again!
>>>
>>> I believe him, this time, though. He's making a very valid point,
>>> that commercial software is going in a novel direction. Linux may
>>> quickly become the only choice, for someone who remembers the wild
>>> west Internet.
>>
>> DFS is right, either way. Maybe it won't last and I'll be seduced by the
>> fact that I have a movie collection in Windows or that my fingerprint
>> sensor is supported there. However, the list of grievances is pretty
>> large now. Client-side scanning, keylogging, advertising ID, general
>> telemetry, reverting to Edge against your will, vulnerability to a
>> variety of malware (some of which just took out the Federal Reserve),
>> progressive slowdown, system files breaking for no reason requiring SFC
>> and DISM, etc.. The battery is supposed to last longer in Windows, but I
>> just checked here and my 77% charge is slated as being able to go
>> another 10 hours in Linux Mint which is twice what Windows got me under
>> the same circumstances. At some point, I just need to retire from the
>> barrage of compromises in Windows and accept a few workarounds in Linux.
>
> Only you will be able to decide, ultimately, but I'm choosing to
> believe that this time you've truly come around to the truth, about M$
> and commercial software.

I get the impression that this is what beaten housewives go through when
they decide to leave their horrible STD-infected husbands who just
happen to be great in bed.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-06-25 06:25, Joel wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>
>> using Betterbird/Thunderbird in Linux Mint should serve as an
>> example of what the differences are. Navigating in the program is
>> somewhat faster in Mint, and typing is immediate. Until you experience
>> the difference, the Windows version seems fine. However, once you use it
>> in Mint, the first impression you get is that either the operating
>> system you were using it in before was slowing down writing or that your
>> keystrokes were being recorded. They probably weren't, but there is no
>> reason to believe that Microsoft wouldn't suddenly decide to enable that
>> functionality since they have telemetry on everything else.
>
>
> That's interesting. I never used it a whole lot under either OS, to
> have noticed, I guess, but it's an interesting thing to contemplate.

Anyone going from _installed_ (the live environment might not reproduce
this) operating system to the other should try it out.
Betterbird/Thunderbird in Linux feels lighter and more responsive
whereas the Windows version feels like something is recording your every
key stroke.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:

>>> Maybe it won't last and I'll be seduced by the
>>> fact that I have a movie collection in Windows or that my fingerprint
>>> sensor is supported there. However, the list of grievances is pretty
>>> large now. Client-side scanning, keylogging, advertising ID, general
>>> telemetry, reverting to Edge against your will, vulnerability to a
>>> variety of malware (some of which just took out the Federal Reserve),
>>> progressive slowdown, system files breaking for no reason requiring SFC
>>> and DISM, etc.. The battery is supposed to last longer in Windows, but I
>>> just checked here and my 77% charge is slated as being able to go
>>> another 10 hours in Linux Mint which is twice what Windows got me under
>>> the same circumstances. At some point, I just need to retire from the
>>> barrage of compromises in Windows and accept a few workarounds in Linux.
>>
>> Only you will be able to decide, ultimately, but I'm choosing to
>> believe that this time you've truly come around to the truth, about M$
>> and commercial software.
>
>I get the impression that this is what beaten housewives go through when
>they decide to leave their horrible STD-infected husbands who just
>happen to be great in bed.

Not a bad analogy, really. There are some nice aspects of commercial
software, but on balance, I get better results with open source.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Andrzej Matuch wrote:

>The problem is that for
>a cell to turn into a human being, it would necessitate several million
>mutations in a row, all of them very beneficial, to occur.

Incorrect. Most were not beneficial, and died out. So your entire
argument falls apart.

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>>The problem is that for
>>a cell to turn into a human being, it would necessitate several million
>>mutations in a row, all of them very beneficial, to occur.
>
>Incorrect. Most were not beneficial, and died out. So your entire
>argument falls apart.

You wouldn't get the complex organisms we see in the world, including
ourselves, people, without intelligent design. It's impossible. Why
God made it look that way is an interesting question, but it's self-
evident that he exists, Jesus didn't just come out of nowhere, the
ways synthetic organic substances work on our brains is all by design.
It's laughable to be an atheist, and yet God prefers them, because
they're typically more moral than religious folk. Such a crazy world.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-06-24 18:06, chrisv wrote:
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> Considering how Darwin's Theory of Evolution is complete excrement which
>>> can be debunked in seven seconds, God is the best explanation for
>>> everything around us. <https://www.discovery.org/a/10661/>
>>
>> That's some kooky shit, there.

Indeed, they pretty much have no idea.

> Feel free to believe the contrary, countless Darwinists have too only to
> eventually realize that the theory that has consumed their entire lives
> needs constant lies to be supported. We're supposed to believe that life
> emerged from nothing even though that is scientifically impossible, and
> that a series of mutations, all beneficial, led to us becoming what we
> are today. Meanwhile, mutations are almost always negative and/or fatal.
> We're also supposed to believe that we evolved from apes even though it
> would take several hundred million mutations, all beneficial, for them
> to turn into us. This is somehow science even though it is not only
> contrary to all scientific laws but logic.

:-D

You find it far easier to believe in a universal invisible entity that
has a thing for mankind, than to believe in some natural results of physics and
chemistry. It's not all "mutations", bub.

--
You are fighting for survival in your own sweet and gentle way.

On 2024-06-25 07:02, Joel wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>
>>>> Maybe it won't last and I'll be seduced by the
>>>> fact that I have a movie collection in Windows or that my fingerprint
>>>> sensor is supported there. However, the list of grievances is pretty
>>>> large now. Client-side scanning, keylogging, advertising ID, general
>>>> telemetry, reverting to Edge against your will, vulnerability to a
>>>> variety of malware (some of which just took out the Federal Reserve),
>>>> progressive slowdown, system files breaking for no reason requiring SFC
>>>> and DISM, etc.. The battery is supposed to last longer in Windows, but I
>>>> just checked here and my 77% charge is slated as being able to go
>>>> another 10 hours in Linux Mint which is twice what Windows got me under
>>>> the same circumstances. At some point, I just need to retire from the
>>>> barrage of compromises in Windows and accept a few workarounds in Linux.
>>>
>>> Only you will be able to decide, ultimately, but I'm choosing to
>>> believe that this time you've truly come around to the truth, about M$
>>> and commercial software.
>>
>> I get the impression that this is what beaten housewives go through when
>> they decide to leave their horrible STD-infected husbands who just
>> happen to be great in bed.
>
>
> Not a bad analogy, really. There are some nice aspects of commercial
> software, but on balance, I get better results with open source.

I routinely use the following open-source products: Betterbird, Brave,
Handbrake, MakeMkv, Telegram. The only proprietary product I was using
was Microsoft Office which also produced a document in a proprietary
format. That can easily be replaced with LibreOffice and open formats,
especially considering how simplistic my documents are (I could have
just used WordPad). Truly, there is really no reason to hold onto
Windows on the software side but especially now that it is clear that
Microsoft, Apple, Google and many of their third-parties and politicians
are only interested in keeping an eye on us.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-06-25 07:45, chrisv wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> The problem is that for
>> a cell to turn into a human being, it would necessitate several million
>> mutations in a row, all of them very beneficial, to occur.
>
> Incorrect. Most were not beneficial, and died out. So your entire
> argument falls apart.

Then the entire human project would have died out before reaching what
we are today. Even if only one in a million remained after the first
mutation, you would still need to survive a few hundred other million to
reach your destination.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-06-25 07:59, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-06-24 18:06, chrisv wrote:
>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Considering how Darwin's Theory of Evolution is complete excrement which
>>>> can be debunked in seven seconds, God is the best explanation for
>>>> everything around us. <https://www.discovery.org/a/10661/>
>>>
>>> That's some kooky shit, there.
>
> Indeed, they pretty much have no idea.
>
>> Feel free to believe the contrary, countless Darwinists have too only to
>> eventually realize that the theory that has consumed their entire lives
>> needs constant lies to be supported. We're supposed to believe that life
>> emerged from nothing even though that is scientifically impossible, and
>> that a series of mutations, all beneficial, led to us becoming what we
>> are today. Meanwhile, mutations are almost always negative and/or fatal.
>> We're also supposed to believe that we evolved from apes even though it
>> would take several hundred million mutations, all beneficial, for them
>> to turn into us. This is somehow science even though it is not only
>> contrary to all scientific laws but logic.
>
> :-D
>
> You find it far easier to believe in a universal invisible entity that
> has a thing for mankind, than to believe in some natural results of physics and
> chemistry. It's not all "mutations", bub.

That is the point though: Darwinism _ignores_ physics, chemistry,
genetics and the rest to reach its conclusion.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 6/24/2024 6:04 PM, shitv wrote:

> "In a world in which MS Windows exists, there is literally NO REASON
> to run Linux on your desktop." - some dumb fsck

And you don't:

X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 (Windows only)

Good one, turd!

Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-06-25 07:59, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-06-24 18:06, chrisv wrote:
>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Considering how Darwin's Theory of Evolution is complete excrement which
>>>>> can be debunked in seven seconds, God is the best explanation for
>>>>> everything around us. <https://www.discovery.org/a/10661/>
>>>>
>>>> That's some kooky shit, there.
>>
>> Indeed, they pretty much have no idea.
>>
>>> Feel free to believe the contrary, countless Darwinists have too only to
>>> eventually realize that the theory that has consumed their entire lives
>>> needs constant lies to be supported. We're supposed to believe that life
>>> emerged from nothing even though that is scientifically impossible, and
>>> that a series of mutations, all beneficial, led to us becoming what we
>>> are today. Meanwhile, mutations are almost always negative and/or fatal.
>>> We're also supposed to believe that we evolved from apes even though it
>>> would take several hundred million mutations, all beneficial, for them
>>> to turn into us. This is somehow science even though it is not only
>>> contrary to all scientific laws but logic.
>>
>> :-D
>>
>> You find it far easier to believe in a universal invisible entity that
>> has a thing for mankind, than to believe in some natural results of physics and
>> chemistry. It's not all "mutations", bub.
>
> That is the point though: Darwinism _ignores_ physics, chemistry,
> genetics and the rest to reach its conclusion.

Darwinism, IIRC, doesn't speculate on the cause of changes, only that they do
occur and some yield a higher probability of survival.

But speciation is not just about survival. For example, a population (say,
insects) that gets divided all of a sudden by some natural barrier, will start
to grow ever more different, and ultimately cannot interbreed.

--
Q: Why did the tachyon cross the road?
A: Because it was on the other side.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> "In a world in which MS Windows exists, there is literally NO REASON
>> to run Linux on your desktop." - some dumb fsck
>
>And you don't:
>
>
>X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 (Windows only)
>
>
>Good one, turd!

Wine exists, derp. I'm using Agent 8 in Linux. I could prove it.
What is your issue with harassing Chris V. over his use of Agent? As
if that's his entire software collection? Give it a rest.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-06-25 11:18, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>> "In a world in which MS Windows exists, there is literally NO REASON
>>> to run Linux on your desktop." - some dumb fsck
>>
>> And you don't:
>>
>>
>> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 (Windows only)
>>
>>
>> Good one, turd!
>
>
> Wine exists, derp. I'm using Agent 8 in Linux. I could prove it.
> What is your issue with harassing Chris V. over his use of Agent? As
> if that's his entire software collection? Give it a rest.

If Wine can run complicated games the way that it does Shadow Warrior 2
and Civilization 6 on my Mint install, I don't see why something as old
and as simplistic as Forté Agent wouldn't run.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>On 2024-06-25 11:18, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> "In a world in which MS Windows exists, there is literally NO REASON
>>>> to run Linux on your desktop." - some dumb fsck
>>>
>>> And you don't:
>>>
>>>
>>> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 (Windows only)
>>>
>>>
>>> Good one, turd!
>>
>> Wine exists, derp. I'm using Agent 8 in Linux. I could prove it.
>> What is your issue with harassing Chris V. over his use of Agent? As
>> if that's his entire software collection? Give it a rest.
>
>If Wine can run complicated games the way that it does Shadow Warrior 2
>and Civilization 6 on my Mint install, I don't see why something as old
>and as simplistic as Forté Agent wouldn't run.

It's the main thing I use Wine for, now, I've mostly retired mIRC in
favor of using IRCCloud as a Web app, and I can use EncSpot, but
that's just a cool trick, Forte Agent is what I'm really utilizing
Wine for, now.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 6/25/2024 11:18 AM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>> "In a world in which MS Windows exists, there is literally NO REASON
>>> to run Linux on your desktop." - some dumb fsck
>>
>> And you don't:
>>
>>
>> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 (Windows only)
>>
>>
>> Good one, turd!
>
>
> Wine exists, derp.

For better or worse, it's existed for nearly 31 years.

> I'm using Agent 8 in Linux. I could prove it.

I believe you, but the only proof I would accept is a video or screen
recording.

> What is your issue with harassing Chris V. over his use of Agent?

It's not Agent per se - it's that he only uses a proprietary news app
running on proprietary Windows, all the while babbling anti-MS/Windows
hatred and pro-FOSS drooling. For 20 years.

(admittedly, I use a few pieces of GuhNoo-licensed software, but I'm
trying to get the developers to move to a non-GPL license by citing the
repulsiveness and pedophile-skeptic beliefs of Stallman)

> As if that's his entire software collection?

It probably is. Other than liking MS QuickBasic years ago, I don't
recall the nasty dullard talking about his favorite apps or doing
anything else with his computer.

> Give it a rest.

No