On 2024-12-09 07:31, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 12/9/24 3:14 AM, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Look at yourself. Flailing around like a moron. All because you are
>>>>> so loyal a customer to this cash cow Apple. Or their employee ...
>>>>
>>>> Look at yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Just pretending that people like to be able to find lost items.
>>>
>>> Don't lose the items in the first place, derp.
>>
>> Translation:
>>
>> Joel hasn't taken an airline flight w/checked baggage this decade.
>
>
> I mean, if it miraculously helped you, I'll accept that, it just seems
> amusing.
What's miraculous about it?

Do people's checked bags go astray on a regular basis?

Yes. Absolutely, yes. They mishandle literally THOUSANDS of bags per day.

And it's far more than just checked bags that a device that you can use
to track the location of an item can be useful for.

I happen to own a (fairly) expensive ($35,000USD) racing car which, at
least at times, is inside a trailer (probably $5,000USD to replace,
easily) that isn't kept in a driveway. So for $29USD, I'm putting an
AirTag in the car. $29 to help safeguard $40,000 worth of property seems
like a pretty easy choice.

'AirTag data crucial to recovery of man's lost luggage'

<https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/04/23/airtag-data-crucial-to-recovery-of-mans-lost-luggage>

'AirTag in luggage led police to more than $16,000 in stolen items'

<https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2022/08/16/airtag-stolen-luggage/>

'AirTag crucial to recovery of $5 million of stolen tools in Metro DC'

<https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/236579/airtag-crucial-to-recovery-of-5-million-of-stolen-tools-in-metro-dc>

'AirTag helps Australian photographer recover over $7000 worth of stolen
gear'

<https://9to5mac.com/2022/05/09/airtag-stolen-gear/>

'Apple AirTags are helping cops catch thieves. Here's how you can
protect yourself'

<https://www.detroitnews.com/story/life/2024/09/15/apple-airtags-are-helping-cops-catch-thieves-heres-how-you-can-protect-yourself/75204423007/>

But don't worry.

I know your type very well, and you will suddenly be very enthusiastic
about the technology...

....once you can use it with Linux.

;-)

On 2024-12-09 05:23, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 12/8/24 8:05 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> you're [supposedly] supposed to provide a specific example to support your claim:
>>>>
>>>> "Apple menus are not interconnected enough."
>>>>
>>>> So do so.
>>>>
>>>> Put up or shut up.
>>>
>>> Pick up an iPhone. Try to do more than one thing at once. It's
>>> incredible, my mom swears by these goofy phones, but I am as with
>>> Samsung as could be.
>>
>> Picking up an Android ... okay, now provide an example of a user doing
>> two things with it simultaneously?
>>
>> Would that be to dial a phone# and while its ringing, throw the phone
>> across the room?
>
>
> How much hands-on experience with the Galaxy S series do you have?
>

How much hands-on experience do you have with macOS?

On 2024-12-09 00:29, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> Don't lose the items [so that one would need Apple AirTag devices] in the first place, derp.
>>
>> So you're saying that if someone screws up, they should just have no
>> recourse?
>>
>> But you said rather more than that they aren't really useful.
>>
>> You said they were "devilish".
>>
>> Care to explain?
>
>
> Screwing up is all a mind game being played by the enemies with you.

"enemies"? Good to know your mindset.

> Apple gets the profit, you get to be a "beta" as the dumbasses say.

"beta"? Good to know you're mindset.

> Rise above Apple's AirTag scheme.

Are Tiles a "scheme"?

Are all the other Bluetooth tracking devices a "scheme"?

This isn't even an argument:

A device that lets you find lost or stolen items is a BOON.

On 2024-12-09 07:31, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> NewEgg or Micro Center will sell you a motherboard.
>>>>
>>>> Apple will sell you a complete COMPUTER.
>>>
>>> You ever hear of a distinction without a difference?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> There is a real distinction between a company that sells components and
>> a company that sells complete systems.
>
>
> I went to the same Micro Center to buy my Mac that I bought my old
> computer's parts at. Apple is not special in offering main hardware.
That doesn't make Apple and Micro Center indistinguishable.

Apple designs, manufactures and sells complete devices.

Micro Center is a reseller of things that OTHER COMPANIES make.

On 12/9/24 11:40 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:enrdljdqgsnkvjbv3v3jc3j682pa3qcefj@4ax.com...
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/8/24 8:05 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> you're [supposedly] supposed to provide a specific example to
>>>>> support your claim:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Apple menus are not interconnected enough."
>>>>>
>>>>> So do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Put up or shut up.
>>>>
>>>> Pick up an iPhone.  Try to do more than one thing at once.  It's
>>>> incredible, my mom swears by these goofy phones, but I am as with
>>>> Samsung as could be.
>>>
>>> Picking up an Android ... okay, now provide an example of a user doing
>>> two things with it simultaneously?
>>>
>>> Would that be to dial a phone# and while its ringing, throw the phone
>>> across the room?
>>
>>
>> How much hands-on experience with the Galaxy S series do you have?
>
> Why? So you can decide how much you can lie.

Funny how the goalposts moved from Android to "Galaxy S".

> Either put up or shut up.

Joel can also try to square his claims with this:

"Here are all of the ways Samsung’s One UI 7 update copies iOS [Gallery]"

<https://9to5google.com/2024/12/08/samsung-one-ui-7-copy-apple-features-list/>

-hh

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>Funny how the goalposts moved from Android to "Galaxy S".

No U.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>> NewEgg or Micro Center will sell you a motherboard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple will sell you a complete COMPUTER.
>>>>
>>>> You ever hear of a distinction without a difference?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> There is a real distinction between a company that sells components and
>>> a company that sells complete systems.
>>
>> I went to the same Micro Center to buy my Mac that I bought my old
>> computer's parts at. Apple is not special in offering main hardware.
>That doesn't make Apple and Micro Center indistinguishable.
>
>Apple designs, manufactures and sells complete devices.
>
>Micro Center is a reseller of things that OTHER COMPANIES make.

Like computers and their bare parts, yes, including Macs and
motherboards. How is this so hard for you?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-09 11:09, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> NewEgg or Micro Center will sell you a motherboard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple will sell you a complete COMPUTER.
>>>>>
>>>>> You ever hear of a distinction without a difference?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> There is a real distinction between a company that sells components and
>>>> a company that sells complete systems.
>>>
>>> I went to the same Micro Center to buy my Mac that I bought my old
>>> computer's parts at. Apple is not special in offering main hardware.
>> That doesn't make Apple and Micro Center indistinguishable.
>>
>> Apple designs, manufactures and sells complete devices.
>>
>> Micro Center is a reseller of things that OTHER COMPANIES make.
>
>
> Like computers and their bare parts, yes, including Macs and
> motherboards. How is this so hard for you?
It's not hard for me at all.

You're the one who is having trouble distinguishing between to very
different kinds of businesses.

On 2024-12-09 11:07, Joel wrote:

I notice you've chosen to snip almost all context so I'll put it back
for you...

....then I'll answer your foolishness:

>> On 2024-12-09 07:31, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/9/24 3:14 AM, Joel wrote:
>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Look at yourself. Flailing around like a moron. All because you are
>>>>>>> so loyal a customer to this cash cow Apple. Or their employee ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just pretending that people like to be able to find lost items.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't lose the items in the first place, derp.
>>>>
>>>> Translation:
>>>>
>>>> Joel hasn't taken an airline flight w/checked baggage this decade.
>>>
>>>
>>> I mean, if it miraculously helped you, I'll accept that, it just seems
>>> amusing.
>> What's miraculous about it?
>>
>> Do people's checked bags go astray on a regular basis?
>>
>> Yes. Absolutely, yes. They mishandle literally THOUSANDS of bags per day.
>>
>> And it's far more than just checked bags that a device that you can use to track the location of an item can be useful for.
>>
>> I happen to own a (fairly) expensive ($35,000USD) racing car which, at least at times, is inside a trailer (probably $5,000USD to replace, easily) that isn't kept in a driveway. So for $29USD, I'm putting an AirTag in the car. $29 to help safeguard $40,000 worth of property seems like a pretty easy choice.
>>
>> 'AirTag data crucial to recovery of man's lost luggage'
>>
>> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/04/23/airtag-data-crucial-to-recovery-of-mans-lost-luggage>
>>
>>
>> 'AirTag in luggage led police to more than $16,000 in stolen items'
>>
>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2022/08/16/airtag-stolen-luggage/>
>>
>>
>> 'AirTag crucial to recovery of $5 million of stolen tools in Metro DC'
>>
>> <https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/236579/airtag-crucial-to-recovery-of-5-million-of-stolen-tools-in-metro-dc>
>>
>>
>> 'AirTag helps Australian photographer recover over $7000 worth of stolen gear'
>>
>> <https://9to5mac.com/2022/05/09/airtag-stolen-gear/>
>>
>>
>> 'Apple AirTags are helping cops catch thieves. Here's how you can protect yourself'
>>
>> <https://www.detroitnews.com/story/life/2024/09/15/apple-airtags-are-helping-cops-catch-thieves-heres-how-you-can-protect-yourself/75204423007/>
>>
>>
>> But don't worry.
>>
>> I know your type very well, and you will suddenly be very enthusiastic about the technology...
>>
>> ...once you can use it with Linux.
> That's like believing in Santa Claus, moron.
>

In what way?

See if you can flesh out what you must laughingly call your "rationale"
on that.

In what way is is any of that "like believing in Santa Clause",
script-kiddie?

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>> There is a real distinction between a company that sells components and
>>>>> a company that sells complete systems.
>>>>
>>>> I went to the same Micro Center to buy my Mac that I bought my old
>>>> computer's parts at. Apple is not special in offering main hardware.
>>> That doesn't make Apple and Micro Center indistinguishable.
>>>
>>> Apple designs, manufactures and sells complete devices.
>>>
>>> Micro Center is a reseller of things that OTHER COMPANIES make.
>>
>> Like computers and their bare parts, yes, including Macs and
>> motherboards. How is this so hard for you?
>It's not hard for me at all.
>
>You're the one who is having trouble distinguishing between to very
>different kinds of businesses.

Micro Center sold me two computers, one was a Mac, one was Win7. The
latter was as parts. The former was a Mac. Tell me what's so
different, here.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-09 11:31, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> There is a real distinction between a company that sells components and
>>>>>> a company that sells complete systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> I went to the same Micro Center to buy my Mac that I bought my old
>>>>> computer's parts at. Apple is not special in offering main hardware.
>>>> That doesn't make Apple and Micro Center indistinguishable.
>>>>
>>>> Apple designs, manufactures and sells complete devices.
>>>>
>>>> Micro Center is a reseller of things that OTHER COMPANIES make.
>>>
>>> Like computers and their bare parts, yes, including Macs and
>>> motherboards. How is this so hard for you?
>> It's not hard for me at all.
>>
>> You're the one who is having trouble distinguishing between to very
>> different kinds of businesses.
>
>
> Micro Center sold me two computers, one was a Mac, one was Win7. The
> latter was as parts. The former was a Mac. Tell me what's so
> different, here.
>

That Apple isn't a general reseller, doofus.

Why is this hard for you?

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Joel hasn't taken an airline flight w/checked baggage this decade.
>>>>
>>>> I mean, if it miraculously helped you, I'll accept that, it just seems
>>>> amusing.
>>> What's miraculous about it?
>>>
>>> Do people's checked bags go astray on a regular basis?
>>>
>>> Yes. Absolutely, yes. They mishandle literally THOUSANDS of bags per day.
>>>
>>> And it's far more than just checked bags that a device that you can use to track the location of an item can be useful for.
>>>
>>> I happen to own a (fairly) expensive ($35,000USD) racing car which, at least at times, is inside a trailer (probably $5,000USD to replace, easily) that isn't kept in a driveway. So for $29USD, I'm putting an AirTag in the car. $29 to help safeguard $40,000 worth of property seems like a pretty easy choice.
>>>
>>> 'AirTag data crucial to recovery of man's lost luggage'
>>>
>>> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/04/23/airtag-data-crucial-to-recovery-of-mans-lost-luggage>
>>>
>>>
>>> 'AirTag in luggage led police to more than $16,000 in stolen items'
>>>
>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2022/08/16/airtag-stolen-luggage/>
>>>
>>>
>>> 'AirTag crucial to recovery of $5 million of stolen tools in Metro DC'
>>>
>>> <https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/236579/airtag-crucial-to-recovery-of-5-million-of-stolen-tools-in-metro-dc>
>>>
>>>
>>> 'AirTag helps Australian photographer recover over $7000 worth of stolen gear'
>>>
>>> <https://9to5mac.com/2022/05/09/airtag-stolen-gear/>
>>>
>>>
>>> 'Apple AirTags are helping cops catch thieves. Here's how you can protect yourself'
>>>
>>> <https://www.detroitnews.com/story/life/2024/09/15/apple-airtags-are-helping-cops-catch-thieves-heres-how-you-can-protect-yourself/75204423007/>
>>>
>>>
>>> But don't worry.
>>>
>>> I know your type very well, and you will suddenly be very enthusiastic about the technology...
>>>
>>> ...once you can use it with Linux.
>> That's like believing in Santa Claus, moron.
>
>In what way?
>
>See if you can flesh out what you must laughingly call your "rationale"
>on that.
>
>In what way is is any of that "like believing in Santa Clause",
>script-kiddie?

I'm a "script-kiddie" for running Linux as a normal OS? As for your
assertion, it's as insane as could possibly be. Using AirTags,
*specifically* with Linux, will make me wish to utilize them?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fnr9ljt7jn89eom1evqes0h6jvbam8607q@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> Apple gear is OK.
>>
>>You're contradicting yourself....
>>
>>...again.
>
>
> I didn't say it wasn't overpriced, I said it was acceptable quality.

You do realize that quality costs, right?

>>> But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
>>> the frontier of software freedom.
>>What makes it "quirky"?
>>
>>Be specific.
>
>
> Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
> finite.

Wow.. I'm glad he didn't ask you for a general answer.

On 2024-12-09 11:34, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Joel hasn't taken an airline flight w/checked baggage this decade.
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean, if it miraculously helped you, I'll accept that, it just seems
>>>>> amusing.
>>>> What's miraculous about it?
>>>>
>>>> Do people's checked bags go astray on a regular basis?
>>>>
>>>> Yes. Absolutely, yes. They mishandle literally THOUSANDS of bags per day.
>>>>
>>>> And it's far more than just checked bags that a device that you can use to track the location of an item can be useful for.
>>>>
>>>> I happen to own a (fairly) expensive ($35,000USD) racing car which, at least at times, is inside a trailer (probably $5,000USD to replace, easily) that isn't kept in a driveway. So for $29USD, I'm putting an AirTag in the car. $29 to help safeguard $40,000 worth of property seems like a pretty easy choice.
>>>>
>>>> 'AirTag data crucial to recovery of man's lost luggage'
>>>>
>>>> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/04/23/airtag-data-crucial-to-recovery-of-mans-lost-luggage>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 'AirTag in luggage led police to more than $16,000 in stolen items'
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2022/08/16/airtag-stolen-luggage/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 'AirTag crucial to recovery of $5 million of stolen tools in Metro DC'
>>>>
>>>> <https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/236579/airtag-crucial-to-recovery-of-5-million-of-stolen-tools-in-metro-dc>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 'AirTag helps Australian photographer recover over $7000 worth of stolen gear'
>>>>
>>>> <https://9to5mac.com/2022/05/09/airtag-stolen-gear/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 'Apple AirTags are helping cops catch thieves. Here's how you can protect yourself'
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.detroitnews.com/story/life/2024/09/15/apple-airtags-are-helping-cops-catch-thieves-heres-how-you-can-protect-yourself/75204423007/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But don't worry.
>>>>
>>>> I know your type very well, and you will suddenly be very enthusiastic about the technology...
>>>>
>>>> ...once you can use it with Linux.
>>> That's like believing in Santa Claus, moron.
>>
>> In what way?
>>
>> See if you can flesh out what you must laughingly call your "rationale"
>> on that.
>>
>> In what way is is any of that "like believing in Santa Clause",
>> script-kiddie?
>
>
> I'm a "script-kiddie" for running Linux as a normal OS? As for your
> assertion, it's as insane as could possibly be. Using AirTags,
> *specifically* with Linux, will make me wish to utilize them?
>

How are you this thick?

NOT AirTags... ...the FUNCTION of AirTags.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>> You're the one who is having trouble distinguishing between to very
>>> different kinds of businesses.
>>
>> Micro Center sold me two computers, one was a Mac, one was Win7. The
>> latter was as parts. The former was a Mac. Tell me what's so
>> different, here.
>
>That Apple isn't a general reseller, doofus.
>
>Why is this hard for you?

Apple or parts made no difference in acquiring them and the associated
software.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ujfcljde0svd2leve111gm1obbabqsu697@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Give a specific example of how menus on Windows OR Linux are
>>>> "interconnected" in a way that macOS is not.
>>>>
>>>> Put up or shut up.
>>>
>>> Navigating Apple's GUI, particularly the phone iteration of their
>>> weirdness, just isn't like Win10 or 11, or the Cinnamon DE on Linux -
>>> nor the "easy mode" of Samsung.
>>
>>Do you not know what the words "specific example" mean?
>
>
> Windows 10 and 11, and the Cinnamon DE on Linux, are specific examples
> of GUIs.

but you are not showing the specific example of what makes macOS quirky.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:enrdljdqgsnkvjbv3v3jc3j682pa3qcefj@4ax.com...
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>On 12/8/24 8:05 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> you're [supposedly] supposed to provide a specific example to support
>>>> your claim:
>>>>
>>>> "Apple menus are not interconnected enough."
>>>>
>>>> So do so.
>>>>
>>>> Put up or shut up.
>>>
>>> Pick up an iPhone. Try to do more than one thing at once. It's
>>> incredible, my mom swears by these goofy phones, but I am as with
>>> Samsung as could be.
>>
>>Picking up an Android ... okay, now provide an example of a user doing
>>two things with it simultaneously?
>>
>>Would that be to dial a phone# and while its ringing, throw the phone
>>across the room?
>
>
> How much hands-on experience with the Galaxy S series do you have?

Why? So you can decide how much you can lie.

Either put up or shut up.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:odbaljpgfrrrcbah99s1qdoe6tglf6480l@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>[Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."
>>
>>And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
>>so-called "quirkiness".
>
>
> From the moment you purchase Apple's products, you join a cult.

The same could be said about those who use Linux and feel nothing else is
acceptable.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fu3aljlbd6uteg4nbhci9v6ldu33or79m9@4ax.com...
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>> certainly the [Apple's] hardware options are
>>> finite.
>>
>>Name a company whose hardware options *aren't* finite.
>>
>>Because it is grossly disingenuous to try to compare what one company
>>offers to the grand sum of the rest of the companies of that industry.
>
>
> Micro Center and Newegg each offer essentially limitless possibilities
> with hardware.

Like Macs?

And no, they do not offer limitless possibilities. Indeed, their selection
and inventory is quite finite.

However I am looking for a new monitor for an IBM System/23 Datamaster,
please tell me exactly where either Micro Center or Newegg sells a
compatible monitor.

I mean if it's essentially limitless I would expect at least one of them to
carry it.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9ffclj5i425iqb2f322a7dokfvud9pf98q@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Apple is not analogous to either NewEgg or Micro Center...
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, it is, they are both purveyors of motherboards. Micro
>>>>> Center will be happy to work with Apple, but you can buy any PC
>>>>> imaginable.
>>>>
>>>> Apple is not a "purveyor of motherboards", doofus.
>>>
>>> Then what does the SoC sit on, doofus?
>>
>>To be a "purveyor" of something is to indicate that you sell that thing
>>ON ITS OWN.
>>
>>Apple doesn't sell motherboards. They sell computers.
>>
>>Just like Maytag isn't a "purveyor of electric motors" just because
>>washing machines have an electric motor in them.
>
>
> Do you even hear yourself yammering, there?

And unlike you his 'yammering' makes sense and is logical...

On 2024-12-09 11:52, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> You're the one who is having trouble distinguishing between to very
>>>> different kinds of businesses.
>>>
>>> Micro Center sold me two computers, one was a Mac, one was Win7. The
>>> latter was as parts. The former was a Mac. Tell me what's so
>>> different, here.
>>
>> That Apple isn't a general reseller, doofus.
>>
>> Why is this hard for you?
>
>
> Apple or parts made no difference in acquiring them and the associated
> software.
>

But we were discussing whether it was rational to compare a single maker
of computers versus ALL OTHER makers.

Or did you forget that...deliberately?

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>> You're the one who is having trouble distinguishing between to very
>>>>> different kinds of businesses.
>>>>
>>>> Micro Center sold me two computers, one was a Mac, one was Win7. The
>>>> latter was as parts. The former was a Mac. Tell me what's so
>>>> different, here.
>>>
>>> That Apple isn't a general reseller, doofus.
>>>
>>> Why is this hard for you?
>>
>> Apple or parts made no difference in acquiring them and the associated
>> software.
>
>But we were discussing whether it was rational to compare a single maker
>of computers versus ALL OTHER makers.
>
>Or did you forget that...deliberately?

OK, why would I single-out Apple to get a special device, compared to
a desktop with Linux (or Windows 11).

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-09 12:49, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> You're the one who is having trouble distinguishing between to very
>>>>>> different kinds of businesses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Micro Center sold me two computers, one was a Mac, one was Win7. The
>>>>> latter was as parts. The former was a Mac. Tell me what's so
>>>>> different, here.
>>>>
>>>> That Apple isn't a general reseller, doofus.
>>>>
>>>> Why is this hard for you?
>>>
>>> Apple or parts made no difference in acquiring them and the associated
>>> software.
>>
>> But we were discussing whether it was rational to compare a single maker
>> of computers versus ALL OTHER makers.
>>
>> Or did you forget that...deliberately?
>
>
> OK, why would I single-out Apple to get a special device, compared to
> a desktop with Linux (or Windows 11).
>

'Because it is grossly disingenuous to try to compare what one company
offers to the grand sum of the rest of the companies of that industry.'

Or did you just not know what "disingenuous" meant?

On 2024-12-10 10:53, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> You stated that Apple was "quirky" because:
>>>>
>>>> "But certainly the hardware options are finite."
>>>>
>>>> The hardware options of EVERY COMPUTER MANUFACTURER are finite, doofus.
>>>>
>>>> Is Dell "quirky" because of that?
>>>>
>>>> Is Asus or Acer?
>>>
>>> Ah, but if I want an ARM laptop from Dell, I can make it the way I
>>> want, not just pick Apple's storage options. I can also delete Win11
>>> and put Linux on it.
>> And that makes Apple "quirky", does it?
>>
>> Even Dell only offers a limited set of configurations. There might be
>> more configurations from them than from Apple, but that's a difference
>> only of DEGREE.
>
>
> No, it is not.

Yes. It is precisely a difference of degree.

Apple offers a variety of computers in a variety of configurations.

Dell offers a variety of computers in a variety of configurations.

Dell offers a greater variety, but that is precisely what a "difference
of degree" means.

> Apple's laptops are actually pretty good, but it gets
> worse with the desktops, the iMacs especially, very poor, the
> minis/Studios are OK. But to get a simple Linux on ARM laptop, I'd go
> to Dell.
Which is not the point under discussion.

You're supposed to be explaining how Apple is supposedly "quirky"
because their "hardware options are finite."

On 2024-12-10 10:57, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Apple programmers clearly have your mindset, and they can keep their
>>>>> software and therefore their computers.
>>>>
>>>> You haven't the slightest inkling of what my "mindset" would be, doofus.
>>>
>>> Nor you mine.
>>
>> Your use of "enemies" gives you away.
>
>
> I'm not hiding that I'm aware of the enemies, if that's what you're
> saying.

The fact that you think of them AS "enemies" is what gives you away.

>
>
>>>>>>> Rise above Apple's AirTag scheme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are Tiles a "scheme"?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what that is.
>>>>
>>>> Then you're not very "elite" in your knowledge of the computer industry...
>>>>
>>>> ...or even just up on current events.
>>>
>>> I somehow missed it, yeah.
>>
>> Heh.
>
>
> Is it my fault, somehow?

For being ignorant of a widely reported trend?

Yup.

>
>
>>>>>> Are all the other Bluetooth tracking devices a "scheme"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This isn't even an argument:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A device that lets you find lost or stolen items is a BOON.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple is making these things like name tags.
>>>> What do you even mean by that?
>>>>
>>>> You seem to go to great lengths to avoid saying things that can actually
>>>> be rebutted.
>>>>
>>>> "Apple is making these things like name tags" means... ...what?
>>>
>>> They want you to purchase them like they were stickers with a written
>>> name.
>>
>> And from what do you get that?
>>
>> They're clearly NOT "stickers with a written name", so why do you think
>> that would be?
>
>
> It meant that Apple is producing them such that they could be just
> ubiquitous.
How is that a bad thing?