Nearly every Apple or iPhone commercial has blacks in them.

Specifically black males on slobbering wigger white left-wing fems.

Blacks are at most a 14% market.

Other ethnic group segments that use Apple products are generally
lowbrow weak and useless.

AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon and others are all pushing iPhone junk using
these racist commercials.

Apple is a racist corporation and needs to learn some social lessons.

Don't spend your money on Apple products.

Sales <sales@drpepper.com> wrote:

>Nearly every Apple or iPhone commercial has blacks in them.
>
>Specifically black males on slobbering wigger white left-wing fems.
>
>Blacks are at most a 14% market.
>
>Other ethnic group segments that use Apple products are generally
>lowbrow weak and useless.
>
>AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon and others are all pushing iPhone junk using
>these racist commercials.
>
>Apple is a racist corporation and needs to learn some social lessons.
>
>Don't spend your money on Apple products.

What the fuck do you care about their commercials, Kid Rock? This is
how people are led into making irrational decisions. There are plenty
of good reasons not to use Apple's products, beyond mere advertising.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-07 15:47, Joel wrote:
> Sales <sales@drpepper.com> wrote:
>
>> Nearly every Apple or iPhone commercial has blacks in them.
>>
>> Specifically black males on slobbering wigger white left-wing fems.
>>
>> Blacks are at most a 14% market.
>>
>> Other ethnic group segments that use Apple products are generally
>> lowbrow weak and useless.
>>
>> AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon and others are all pushing iPhone junk using
>> these racist commercials.
>>
>> Apple is a racist corporation and needs to learn some social lessons.
>>
>> Don't spend your money on Apple products.
>
>
> What the fuck do you care about their commercials, Kid Rock? This is
> how people are led into making irrational decisions. There are plenty
> of good reasons not to use Apple's products, beyond mere advertising.
>

Reasons such as what: how simple they are to use?

How (relatively) trouble free?

I support computer users for a living and every time I convince someone
to buy a Mac, I basically lose a customer.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-12-07 15:47, Joel wrote:
>> Sales <sales@drpepper.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nearly every Apple or iPhone commercial has blacks in them.
>>>
>>> Don't spend your money on Apple products.
>>
>> What the fuck do you care about their commercials, Kid Rock? This is
>> how people are led into making irrational decisions. There are plenty
>> of good reasons not to use Apple's products, beyond mere advertising.
>
>Reasons such as what: how simple they are to use?
>
>How (relatively) trouble free?
>
>I support computer users for a living and every time I convince someone
>to buy a Mac, I basically lose a customer.

Apple gear is OK. But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-07 16:12, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-07 15:47, Joel wrote:
>>> Sales <sales@drpepper.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nearly every Apple or iPhone commercial has blacks in them.
>>>>
>>>> Don't spend your money on Apple products.
>>>
>>> What the fuck do you care about their commercials, Kid Rock? This is
>>> how people are led into making irrational decisions. There are plenty
>>> of good reasons not to use Apple's products, beyond mere advertising.
>>
>> Reasons such as what: how simple they are to use?
>>
>> How (relatively) trouble free?
>>
>> I support computer users for a living and every time I convince someone
>> to buy a Mac, I basically lose a customer.
>
>
> Apple gear is OK.

You're contradicting yourself....

....again.

> But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
> the frontier of software freedom.
What makes it "quirky"?

Be specific.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> Apple gear is OK.
>
>You're contradicting yourself....
>
>...again.

I didn't say it wasn't overpriced, I said it was acceptable quality.

>> But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
>> the frontier of software freedom.
>What makes it "quirky"?
>
>Be specific.

Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
finite.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-07 16:59, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> Apple gear is OK.
>>
>> You're contradicting yourself....
>>
>> ...again.
>
>
> I didn't say it wasn't overpriced, I said it was acceptable quality.

Actually, you said PRECISELY that.

Do you want me to pull up the quotes?

>
>
>>> But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
>>> the frontier of software freedom.
>> What makes it "quirky"?
>>
>> Be specific.
>
>
> Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
> finite.
Not an answer.

Try again.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> Apple gear is OK.
>>>
>>> You're contradicting yourself....
>>>
>>> ...again.
>>
>> I didn't say it wasn't overpriced, I said it was acceptable quality.
>
>Actually, you said PRECISELY that.
>
>Do you want me to pull up the quotes?

Right, I said Apple hardware is overpriced. That was implicit, heh.

>>>> But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
>>>> the frontier of software freedom.
>>> What makes it "quirky"?
>>>
>>> Be specific.
>>
>> Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
>> finite.
>Not an answer.
>
>Try again.

It's definitely an answer. The reality of what I got is far better.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-07 17:18, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Apple gear is OK.
>>>>
>>>> You're contradicting yourself....
>>>>
>>>> ...again.
>>>
>>> I didn't say it wasn't overpriced, I said it was acceptable quality.
>>
>> Actually, you said PRECISELY that.
>>
>> Do you want me to pull up the quotes?
>
>
> Right, I said Apple hardware is overpriced. That was implicit, heh.
>
>
>>>>> But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
>>>>> the frontier of software freedom.
>>>> What makes it "quirky"?
>>>>
>>>> Be specific.
>>>
>>> Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
>>> finite.
>> Not an answer.
>>
>> Try again.
>
>
> It's definitely an answer. The reality of what I got is far better.
>

No... ...it really isn't.

What makes "running macOS"... ...quirky?

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>> But it's [using a Mac] the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
>>>>>> the frontier of software freedom.
>>>>> What makes it "quirky"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Be specific.
>>>>
>>>> Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
>>>> finite.
>>> Not an answer.
>>>
>>> Try again.
>>
>> It's definitely an answer. The reality of what I got is far better.
>
>No... ...it really isn't.
>
>What makes "running macOS"... ...quirky?

I have a computer that makes sense, but is unlimited in options. You
made a choice of an OEM's computer, just an exceptional one, Apple's.
You wish to justify it with rationales that don't really hit pay dirt.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-07 17:33, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> But it's [using a Mac] the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
>>>>>>> the frontier of software freedom.
>>>>>> What makes it "quirky"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Be specific.
>>>>>
>>>>> Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
>>>>> finite.
>>>> Not an answer.
>>>>
>>>> Try again.
>>>
>>> It's definitely an answer. The reality of what I got is far better.
>>
>> No... ...it really isn't.
>>
>> What makes "running macOS"... ...quirky?
>
>
> I have a computer that makes sense, but is unlimited in options. You
> made a choice of an OEM's computer, just an exceptional one, Apple's.
> You wish to justify it with rationales that don't really hit pay dirt.
>

You still haven't answered.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>> What makes "running macOS"... ...quirky?
>>
>> I have a computer that makes sense, but is unlimited in options. You
>> made a choice of an OEM's computer, just an exceptional one, Apple's.
>> You wish to justify it with rationales that don't really hit pay dirt.
>
>You still haven't answered.

I want to like macOS, being a Unix system. But everything Apple-
centric is just glued onto that. It's not fundamentally different
from Windows, or a lot of Linux distros, but why should I be so
obsessed with having Apple's quirky take on personal computing? Why
can't I use my human intelligence to build a PC, unbound by Apple?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-07 18:01, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> What makes "running macOS"... ...quirky?
>>>
>>> I have a computer that makes sense, but is unlimited in options. You
>>> made a choice of an OEM's computer, just an exceptional one, Apple's.
>>> You wish to justify it with rationales that don't really hit pay dirt.
>>
>> You still haven't answered.
>
>
> I want to like macOS, being a Unix system. But everything Apple-
> centric is just glued onto that. It's not fundamentally different
> from Windows, or a lot of Linux distros, but why should I be so
> obsessed with having Apple's quirky take on personal computing? Why
> can't I use my human intelligence to build a PC, unbound by Apple?
>

All of this is EVASION.

You claimed it is "quirky"...

....so actually give an example.

On 12/7/24 7:59 PM, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> Apple gear is OK.
>>
>> You're contradicting yourself....
>>
>> ...again.
>
> I didn't say it wasn't overpriced, I said it was acceptable quality.

Gosh, that's a change.

>>> But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
>>> the frontier of software freedom.
>> What makes it "quirky"?
>>
>> Be specific.
>
> Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
> finite.

Name a company whose hardware options *aren't* finite.

Because it is grossly disingenuous to try to compare what one company
offers to the grand sum of the rest of the companies of that industry.

-hh

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>> What makes "running macOS"... ...quirky?
>>>>
>>>> I have a computer that makes sense, but is unlimited in options. You
>>>> made a choice of an OEM's computer, just an exceptional one, Apple's.
>>>> You wish to justify it with rationales that don't really hit pay dirt.
>>>
>>> You still haven't answered.
>>
>> I want to like macOS, being a Unix system. But everything Apple-
>> centric is just glued onto that. It's not fundamentally different
>> from Windows, or a lot of Linux distros, but why should I be so
>> obsessed with having Apple's quirky take on personal computing? Why
>> can't I use my human intelligence to build a PC, unbound by Apple?
>
>All of this is EVASION.
>
>You claimed it is "quirky"...
>
>...so actually give an example.

I just don't understand the thought that it'd be crazy to say that,
you accept Apple copying BSD as if it's an achievement. There was a
person at M$ who coded something from scratch. Linus Torvalds, and
countless Microsoft developers, have more credentials than anyone at
Apple.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>> certainly the [Apple's] hardware options are
>> finite.
>
>Name a company whose hardware options *aren't* finite.
>
>Because it is grossly disingenuous to try to compare what one company
>offers to the grand sum of the rest of the companies of that industry.

Micro Center and Newegg each offer essentially limitless possibilities
with hardware.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-08, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>> certainly the [Apple's] hardware options are
>>> finite.
>>
>>Name a company whose hardware options *aren't* finite.
>>
>>Because it is grossly disingenuous to try to compare what one company
>>offers to the grand sum of the rest of the companies of that industry.
>
>
> Micro Center and Newegg each offer essentially limitless possibilities
> with hardware.
>
Yes they do.
Assuming the buyer knows what she is doing.
Most don't.

--
pothead

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On 2024-12-07 19:45, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> What makes "running macOS"... ...quirky?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a computer that makes sense, but is unlimited in options. You
>>>>> made a choice of an OEM's computer, just an exceptional one, Apple's.
>>>>> You wish to justify it with rationales that don't really hit pay dirt.
>>>>
>>>> You still haven't answered.
>>>
>>> I want to like macOS, being a Unix system. But everything Apple-
>>> centric is just glued onto that. It's not fundamentally different
>>> from Windows, or a lot of Linux distros, but why should I be so
>>> obsessed with having Apple's quirky take on personal computing? Why
>>> can't I use my human intelligence to build a PC, unbound by Apple?
>>
>> All of this is EVASION.
>>
>> You claimed it is "quirky"...
>>
>> ...so actually give an example.
>
>
> I just don't understand the thought that it'd be crazy to say that,
> you accept Apple copying BSD as if it's an achievement. There was a
> person at M$ who coded something from scratch. Linus Torvalds, and
> countless Microsoft developers, have more credentials than anyone at
> Apple.
>

You're deflecting even more.

You stated:

"But it's [Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."

And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
so-called "quirkiness".

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>> You claimed it is "quirky"...
>>>
>>> ...so actually give an example.
>>
>> I just don't understand the thought that it'd be crazy to say that,
>> you accept Apple copying BSD as if it's an achievement. There was a
>> person at M$ who coded something from scratch. Linus Torvalds, and
>> countless Microsoft developers, have more credentials than anyone at
>> Apple.
>
>You're deflecting even more.
>
>You stated:
>
>"But it's [Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."
>
>And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
>so-called "quirkiness".

There's not enough navigable interface on an iPhone or Mac.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>[Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."
>
>And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
>so-called "quirkiness".

From the moment you purchase Apple's products, you join a cult.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-07 20:24, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> You claimed it is "quirky"...
>>>>
>>>> ...so actually give an example.
>>>
>>> I just don't understand the thought that it'd be crazy to say that,
>>> you accept Apple copying BSD as if it's an achievement. There was a
>>> person at M$ who coded something from scratch. Linus Torvalds, and
>>> countless Microsoft developers, have more credentials than anyone at
>>> Apple.
>>
>> You're deflecting even more.
>>
>> You stated:
>>
>> "But it's [Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."
>>
>> And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
>> so-called "quirkiness".
>
>
> There's not enough navigable interface on an iPhone or Mac.
Give an example.

On 2024-12-07 21:26, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> [Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."
>>
>> And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
>> so-called "quirkiness".
>
>
> From the moment you purchase Apple's products, you join a cult.
>

It's not me making statements I can't suppport.

On 12/7/24 10:45 PM, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>> certainly the [Apple's] hardware options are
>>> finite.
>>
>> Name a company whose hardware options *aren't* finite.
>>
>> Because it is grossly disingenuous to try to compare what one company
>> offers to the grand sum of the rest of the companies of that industry.
>
>
> Micro Center and Newegg each offer essentially limitless possibilities
> with hardware.
>

I don't use Micro Center to know...but I do use NewEgg quite a bit, and
I can tell you that for them you are wrong because they sell products
from *many* vendors.

As such, you're being grossly disingenuous by doing precisely what I
critiqued above: trying to compare *one* company's line of products
offers to effectively the grand sum of *everyone else* in the industry.

Now if you didn't understand the point, here's a car analogy:

"Tesla sucks because they don't offer as many product variations as
compared to the rest of the transportation industry combined".

It doesn't take much thought to realize its a stupid claim to make.

-hh

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>> You stated:
>>>
>>> "But it's [Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."
>>>
>>> And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
>>> so-called "quirkiness".
>>
>> There's not enough navigable interface on an iPhone or Mac.
>Give an example.

There's not a central navigation between apps. It's a most basic GUI
function, that Apple stubbornly doesn't deal with.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>>>> certainly the [Apple's] hardware options are
>>>> finite.
>>>
>>> Name a company whose hardware options *aren't* finite.
>>>
>>> Because it is grossly disingenuous to try to compare what one company
>>> offers to the grand sum of the rest of the companies of that industry.
>>
>> Micro Center and Newegg each offer essentially limitless possibilities
>> with hardware.
>
>I don't use Micro Center to know...but I do use NewEgg quite a bit, and
>I can tell you that for them you are wrong because they sell products
>from *many* vendors.
>
>As such, you're being grossly disingenuous by doing precisely what I
>critiqued above: trying to compare *one* company's line of products
>offers to effectively the grand sum of *everyone else* in the industry.
>
>Now if you didn't understand the point, here's a car analogy:
>
>"Tesla sucks because they don't offer as many product variations as
>compared to the rest of the transportation industry combined".
>
>It doesn't take much thought to realize its a stupid claim to make.

Did it occur to you that that only supports my point, since Apple is
therefore the oddball? Heh. BTW, I bought my MacBook at Micro
Center.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.