Le 25-10-2024, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
> On 10/25/2024 3:37 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>> Le 21-10-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
>
>>> Nowadays you're more likely to get help online from an unpaid MVP.
>>
>> That's really an impressive thing Microsoft managed to accomplish. They
>> get highly trained expert being happy to help Microsoft for free.
>
> I get free Linux help from the guy who shines my shoes, and the waiter
> at El Torero.

Linux is open source, it's normal to contribute. Not every one is able
to develop. If you can't develop but can help others, you help
developers to focus on their development. So helping others is a way to
contribute.

Windows is the main product of a billion dollars company. Helping
Microsoft to get more money for free is a choice anyone can make. It's
their spare time, they do what they want in their spare time, I have
nothing to say about it. I won't but I won't stop anyone to do it. I'm
not judging.

Still, being able to find enough people willing to help for free so that
they don't need to pay a support and get more money is impressive.

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On 26 Oct 2024 07:28:49 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 03:07:50 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> Years ago, Microsoft used to offer something called “TechNet”, where
>> developers/professions could get access to a whole bunch of Microsoft
>> software for development/testing/evaluation purposes, at very low cost.
>
> A MSDN subscription wasn't exactly what I would call low cost.

And yet it was considered to be something of a free ride. Which is why
Microsoft put a stop to it.

On 26 Oct 2024 08:41:48 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> Linux is open source, it's normal to contribute. Not every one is able
> to develop. If you can't develop but can help others, you help
> developers to focus on their development. So helping others is a way to
> contribute.

https://lwn.net/Articles/995186/

Just sayin'

On 26 Oct 2024 08:41:48 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> Windows is the main product of a billion dollars company.

Actually, their main cash cow is probably Office/365 at this stage.
Windows profits are in decline, if the decreasing investment in its
development is anything to go by.

On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 06:00:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 26 Oct 2024 08:41:48 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Windows is the main product of a billion dollars company.
>
> Actually, their main cash cow is probably Office/365 at this stage.
> Windows profits are in decline, if the decreasing investment in its
> development is anything to go by.

https://www.investopedia.com/how-microsoft-makes-money-4798809

The way Microsoft divides the segments up obfuscates the matter, dropping
Office and LinkedIn into the same bucket, and doing the same with cloud
services, Windows Server, and SQL Server. Personal computing gets the
Windows OS, Xbox, and Bing. Bing has little market share but brings in a
few billion.

On 27 Oct 2024 07:00:58 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> Personal computing gets the Windows OS, Xbox, and Bing.

None of those three is looking up. Seems like even XBox is no longer a big
enough market for Microsoft’s own games division, given that it is going
to bring out titles for Sony’s platform as well.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 26 Oct 2024 08:41:48 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Linux is open source, it's normal to contribute. Not every one is able
>> to develop. If you can't develop but can help others, you help
>> developers to focus on their development. So helping others is a way to
>> contribute.
>
> https://lwn.net/Articles/995186/
>
> Just sayin'

https://lwn.net/ml/all/CAHk-=whNGNVnYHHSXUAsWds_MoZ-iEgRMQMxZZ0z-jY4uHT+Gg@mail.gmail.com/

From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds-AT-linux-foundation.org>
To Tor Vic <torvic9-AT-mailbox.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Revert "MAINTAINERS: Remove some entries due to
various compliance requirements."
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 10:45:47 -0700

Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.

It's entirely clear why the change was done, it's not getting
reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to
"grass root" it by Russian troll factories isn't going to change
anything.

And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm
accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US
thing.

If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read
the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian
state-sponsored spam.

As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call
brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be *supporting* Russian
aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of
history knowledge too.

Linus

--
"This is a job for BOB VIOLENCE and SCUM, the INCREDIBLY STUPID MUTANT DOG."
-- Bob Violence

Le 27-10-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
> On 26 Oct 2024 08:41:48 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Linux is open source, it's normal to contribute. Not every one is able
>> to develop. If you can't develop but can help others, you help
>> developers to focus on their development. So helping others is a way to
>> contribute.
>
> https://lwn.net/Articles/995186/
>
> Just sayin'

So what? Like a lot of people I'm surprised by Linus telling everyone
who are looking for explanation that they are Russians' trolls. But it's
unrelated to the fact that using open source means it's normal to
contribute to it. Now, if Linux just switched from open source to
American product, it should be clarified. Or forked.

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On 10/25/24 19:15, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 18:11:18 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 10/25/2024 3:37 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>> Le 21-10-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
>>
>>>> Nowadays you're more likely to get help online from an unpaid MVP.
>>>
>>> That's really an impressive thing Microsoft managed to accomplish. They
>>> get highly trained expert being happy to help Microsoft for free.
>>
>>
>> I get free Linux help from the guy who shines my shoes, and the waiter
>> at El Torero. All they want me to do for them is...
>
> People still shine shoes in your world? That explains a lot.

No ask him what he provides them free in return.