On 2024-10-05 6:38 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-04, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 08:00:31 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Who manufacture's the most computers?
>>>
>>> China is the world's leading manufacturer of computers, producing
>>> over 90% of the world's computers:
>>
>> You probably could say the same about sneakers or damn near anything else.
>
> Yep. Before we get too snarky with China, it might be a good idea to rebuild
> our manufacturing base first.

Something Trump was doing and the media called him a monster for doing.

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Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-10-05 6:22 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-04, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-04 9:08 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-03 5:56 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 12:19:20 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately a lot of the newest Dell laptops (at least the thin,
>>>>>>> higher end ones) have gone the MacBook route, soldered on RAM and SSDs.
>>>>>>> So, most likely, I'll be using older computers for the rest of my life.
>>>>>>> I don't like not being able to upgrade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't often do upgrades but I was happy I could stick a hotter i5, more
>>>>>> RAM, and a SSD into the old Dell even if I had to go SATA with the SSD.
>>>>>
>>>>> My newest Dell, a Latitude 5300, actually uses an NVME SSD, has 32 GBs of
>>>>> RAM and uses an 8th generation i7. Except for the 8th generation CPU, it's
>>>>> pretty modern. And it uses an Intel GPU which, for my purposes, is a lot less
>>>>> hassle than a Nividia or AMD GPU. It also has an oversized battery, with up
>>>>> to 8 hours of battery life, depending on what you're doing. The only thing I
>>>>> don't like about modern laptops are the keyboards. Seems that, with each
>>>>> generation of laptops, the keyboards get "twinkier."
>>>>
>>>> MSI laptops have splendid keyboards, but most every other company's
>>>> keyboards are mushy and prone to failure. The MSI keyboard from my 2015
>>>> unit never needed a replacement but my 2021 ASUS keyboard needed to be
>>>> replaced in 2023.
>>>
>>> Even if the newest Dell keyboards don't fail, they're still as comfortable
>>> to use.
>>
>> I never had issues with the one on my MSI or the Sony before it. My wife
>> also has no issues with her MSI one made by SteelSeries.
>>
>>>>> My micro desktop Dell Optiplexes are basically laptops without built-in
>>>>> keyboards or screens. All the components are interchangeable with laptops of
>>>>> the same era — same memory and Sata SSDs (or 2.5" SATA SSDs) or both.
>>>>
>>>> Being able to repair is great. I am bothered by the fact that companies
>>>> think we're too stupid to fix our own units and solder the stuff to
>>>> protect the technology from ourselves.
>>>
>>> I think part of it is making the computer as thing and light as possible.
>>> Still, I would gladly trade off a little and thickness for a computer I can
>>> upgrade.
>>
>> Same. If I have to choose between a thin computer with a mushy keyboard
>> or a thick, upgradeable one with a keyboard from SteelSeries, I'm going
>> for the latter.
>
> I left out "not" in my post. But I'm guessing you figured that out. And I
> agree with you. Make the laptop a little thicker to have a better keyboard.

I think most people don't realize how important the keyboard is. Even if
everything else works fine, if that keyboard keeps needing to be
replaced or ends up being mushy, the entire experience of using the
computer is ruined. People can live with a mediocre display, trackpad or
speakers, but if the keyboard is shit, people just won't want to use
their machine.

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Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-10-05 6:36 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 20:47:30 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> You know how you get summoned because some machine is acting up? And the
>>> user swears blind that “nothing has changed”? But you pull up the
>>> previous snapshot of the config, do a diff against the current version,
>>> and ... “Aha! You *did* change something!”. And you change it back. And
>>> all is well.
>>
>> That's never, never happened. In my experience I can remember exactly
>> once where a client apologized after swearing, rather literally, that
>> nothing had be changed on his end.
>
> A long, long time ago now, when I worked at a Radio Shack as a "computer
> specialist" for a few months (I passed their half hour lesson and test), I
> would have to take calls from people with Tandy computer problems. Back
> then Tandy dot matrix printers had two settings. Tandy settings and IBM
> settings. These were set with dip switches.
>
> I got a call that one of our printers wasn't printing with a Tandy computer.
> The very first question I asked was, are the dip switches set for an IBM
> computer ("IBM" included clones). He said, "no." We spent an 90 minutes on
> the phone going over every possible issue. I finally asked again, are you
> SURE the dip switches are set for Tandy and not IBM? "Oh, wait a minute...
> hey it's working."
>
> You can't make this stuff up.

Luckily, I was always able to spare myself such 90-minute calls by
believing absolutely nothing the customers would tell me. If I am sure a
setting is wrong and it contains a variety of numbers, I ask the client
to look at whatever needs to be set up and to repeat each number
individually. As a result of my belief that everyone without exception
is a fucking moron, I always kept my numbers down and appeared to be a
genius when it came to promotions.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

RonB wrote:

> rbowman wrote:
>>
>> RonB wrote:
>>>
>>> So relying on China for our computers is a "good thing?" You might want
>>> to tell your buddy in the White House to tone down his anti-China
>>> rhetoric then. It's going to be pretty hard to fight China if we depend
>>> on them to build just about thing we would use in any war effort.
>>
>> There's a bigger problem than that. What happens when the cheap Chinese
>> imports at Walmart that allow a significant portion of the population to
>> think they're doing fine dry up?
>
>True. But I'm thinking specifically of war rhetoric with a country who
>supplies just about everything we need to fight a war.

That's what I've been talking about. We should be preparing for a war
with them, *right now*.

Will it hurt? Yes. But if we are *prepared* for it, it may not
happen at all. As weak as we are getting, it will be inevitable.

Unless, of course, we just bow to our new masters and let them have
Taiwan without a fight.

CrudeSausage wrote:

>> Before we get too snarky with China, it might be a good idea to rebuild
>> our manufacturing base first.
>
>Something Trump was doing and the media called him a monster for doing.

I never heard anyone call him a monster for that.

Obviously, those who are hurt will complain.

On 2024-10-05 7:55 a.m., chrisv wrote:
> RonB wrote:
>
>> rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>> RonB wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So relying on China for our computers is a "good thing?" You might want
>>>> to tell your buddy in the White House to tone down his anti-China
>>>> rhetoric then. It's going to be pretty hard to fight China if we depend
>>>> on them to build just about thing we would use in any war effort.
>>>
>>> There's a bigger problem than that. What happens when the cheap Chinese
>>> imports at Walmart that allow a significant portion of the population to
>>> think they're doing fine dry up?
>>
>> True. But I'm thinking specifically of war rhetoric with a country who
>> supplies just about everything we need to fight a war.
>
> That's what I've been talking about. We should be preparing for a war
> with them, *right now*.
>
> Will it hurt? Yes. But if we are *prepared* for it, it may not
> happen at all. As weak as we are getting, it will be inevitable.
>
> Unless, of course, we just bow to our new masters and let them have
> Taiwan without a fight.

You might not have a choice. It seems that the geniuses running the
United States already sent all their ammunition to Ukraine and we know
that they're busily bankrupting themselves. If China were to invade
through China, not only do I not think that America would have anything
to fight with, but considering who is on the West Coast, I doubt that
they would even bother to do so.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-10-05 7:57 a.m., chrisv wrote:
> CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>> Before we get too snarky with China, it might be a good idea to rebuild
>>> our manufacturing base first.
>>
>> Something Trump was doing and the media called him a monster for doing.
>
> I never heard anyone call him a monster for that.
>
> Obviously, those who are hurt will complain.

If I remember correctly, they came up with some ridiculous idea that
rebuilding manufacturing in the United States would alienate its trading
partners and that it would increase the prices of goods. Mind you, the
media manages to paint just about anything as evil if they're told to. I
remember that here, in Canada, when our currency was valued at around 62
cents to the American dollar, the media was telling us that it was a
good thing because it would bring manufacturing back to the country.

Turning into a Third-World country where your currency is devalued is a
good thing because more people can do jobs whose salaries don't allow
them to live...

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CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 10/4/2024 4:47 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 09:41:34 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 10/4/2024 3:01 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> On 4 Oct 2024 05:22:19 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Linux wasn't any better with xorg.conf and the rest.
>>>
>>> On Linux, they are all text files. Not only can you understand their
>>> contents, you can use diff between different versions to see what has
>>> changed, and copy/paste accordingly.
>>
>> "Half the fun of Linux is editing text files. not sarcasm"
>
> You know how you get summoned because some machine is acting up? And the
> user swears blind that “nothing has changed”? But you pull up the previous
> snapshot of the config, do a diff against the current version, and ...
> “Aha! You *did* change something!”. And you change it back. And all is
> well.
>
> Or you put comments next to a change in the config, explaining why it was
> done. So if the situation changes or it doesn’t quite solve the problem,
> you know what to change back.
>
> Not something possible on Dimdows.

"regdiff is a small command line tool to compare two registry files,
export the registry, merge .REG files and much more.

http://p-nand-q.com/download/regdiff.html

And of course you can add/edit a Registry key and enter comments.

whoops...

On 10/4/2024 5:18 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 08:39:05 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Face facts: the whole planet has 30 years of MS Office knowledge and
>>> experience ...
>
> No, it isn't.

Your answer should be "No, it doesn't."

Either way: yes, it does. There are now between 1.2B and 1.6B MS Office
users, from all over the world, starting when the Office bundle was
released in the mid-1990s.

Here are interesting sources of MS Office stats:
https://contentdetector.ai/articles/microsoft-365-suite-statistics/

https://enlyft.com/tech/products/microsoft-office-365

Neither of them are really upfront about their sources of info, though.

> I have 30 years of experience of Linux command line.

I first tried Linux in 1997. I should've stuck with it. Knowing the
Unix FHS and shells and bash and CLI commands makes you a more
well-rounded technologist.

For instance, 10+ years ago I wanted to download many .pdf files from a
webpage. I Googled and all the results were 3rd party GUI apps and
browser extensions. They worked OK, but it was more difficult and
time-consuming than issuing a simple wget command.

If you Google today for 'download pdf files from a website', pretty much
every result is the same: add an extension to your browser, or download
a GUI app.

Of course, to use wget you have to be willing to use a terminal (turns
most people off), know a couple wget flags, and find a version for
Windows or use WSL.

Today I only use wget on Windows, even though the GUI apps are powerful too.

I've recently been downloading college course websites, and often use:

$ wget -r -np --reject mp4 url

That will recurse through all directories at or below the url, not get
any parent directories, and not download mp4 files (because they're
often huge).

Of course, wget has a million flags, and will do a lot more than that.
Great program. Somehow it has over 300 contributors.

> I learned them a long time ago and still use them now. For MS Office,
> every time there is an update, everything is messed up,

everything? Quit exaggerating.

The only truly big change in MS Office was when they went to the Ribbon
interface (v2007 I believe).

I still run Office 2003.

> I don't find anything

anything? Quit exaggerating.

> and I have to learn it from the start again.

An Office update every few years with a few changes and you throw a
tantrum?

Linux made you a wimp. Time to eat more red meat and eggs. Slap your
boyfriend. Learn some new racial slurs.

On 10/4/2024 5:35 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On 04 Oct 2024 21:10:22 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Le 01-10-2024, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
>>>
>>
>> And you, for a fact. I'm sure I saw you sent a message here about your
>> issues with ntp.
>>
>
> I've never had issues with ntp. You are, like cheap AI, hallucinating.

You are, like a stumblebum, lying.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
From: F Russell <fr@random.info>
Date: 9 Jan 2020 15:04:38 GMT
Subject: Help With NTP
Message-ID: <qv7fe60foq@news2.newsguy.com>

Each time I boot my workstation I sync the time with NTP servers
using openrdate, which is found here:

https://github.com/resurrecting-open-source-projects/openrdate

I want to use the NIST time servers
(https://tf.nist.gov/tf-cgi/servers.cgi) with this command:

rdate -v -n time.nist.gov

The "-n" option uses the new SNTP/NTP protocol which
the NIST recommends.

Usually this will fail after a few minutes with a "time out"
message although sometimes (not often) it will slowly succeed.

However, using a different time server, pool.ntp.org,
will always very quickly sync the time.

What is the problem, if any? Is the fault with the NIST
time servers or with openrdate?

I would appreciate if someone would test this openrdate
version on his Linux machine to see if NIST also fails
most of the time.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

> Here is the script I use at each and every boot to set my clock:
>
> #! /bin/bash
> openrdate -4 -v -n pool.ntp.org
> hwclock --systohc --utc --noadjfile

> You could not even understand this script because you are an incompetent
> imbecile.

https://linux.die.net/man/8/hwclock

https://github.com/resurrecting-open-source-projects/openrdate/blob/master/docs/rdate.txt

Why are you so proud of your little configuration scripts? Did you
write some hwclock or openrdate code? Hell no.

What an idiot asshole.

On 10/5/2024 7:27 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2024-10-05 6:38 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-04, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 08:00:31 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>>      Who manufacture's the most computers?
>>>>
>>>>      China is the world's leading manufacturer of computers, producing
>>>>      over 90% of the world's computers:
>>>
>>> You probably could say the same about sneakers or damn near anything
>>> else.
>>
>> Yep. Before we get too snarky with China, it might be a good idea to
>> rebuild
>> our manufacturing base first.
>
> Something Trump was doing and the media called him a monster for doing.

Trump is a lying, criminal sack of shit.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/18/502528759/trump-claims-credit-for-keeping-ford-lincoln-production-in-kentucky

On 10/5/2024 7:30 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

> I think most people don't realize how important the keyboard is. Even if
> everything else works fine, if that keyboard keeps needing to be
> replaced or ends up being mushy, the entire experience of using the
> computer is ruined. People can live with a mediocre display, trackpad or
> speakers, but if the keyboard is shit, people just won't want to use
> their machine.

Yep. I've had very good luck with the 3 MS Comfort Curve 2000 keyboards
I bought many years ago for $15 each, unboxed, at MicroCenter. They've
lasted me probably 15 years.

Slightly ergonomic with low keyboard travel.

Should've bought 8 of them.

On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 10:15:45 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> This is true. If you're old enough, you'll remember that products that
> used to say "Made In Taiwan" almost immediately started reading "Made in
> China" after the U.S. started trading with China again. Before that
> time, Chinese goods were made in China, shipped to Taiwan and then
> shipped to the United States. But there are still some Taiwanese
> companies, like Asus. But I think most of their stuff is made in
> mainland China anyhow.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/cons-products/electronics/
top-taiwanese-laptop-maker-asus-is-moving-its-key-supplier-from-china-to-
india/articleshow/103800029.cms?from=mdr

If the long URL doesn't work the takeaway is

"Top Taiwanese laptop-maker Asus is moving its key supplier from China to
India"

https://www.slashgear.com/1551223/acer-products-where-are-they-made/

" According to a 2022 report published by Acer detailing its production
suppliers, the company noted that all of its final assembly and component
manufacturers are located in China — a fairly common occurrence for major
Taiwan-based organizations, including Foxconn and its factories. In total,
the Acer has 12 major final assembly suppliers in the neighboring
country."

Back when Japan was saturating the US market there was a joke about 'Made
in Usa' where Usa was a town on the outskirts of Tokyo.

On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 10:17:04 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> On 2024-10-04, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 12:53:34 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>> So relying on China for our computers is a "good thing?" You might
>>> want to tell your buddy in the White House to tone down his anti-China
>>> rhetoric then. It's going to be pretty hard to fight China if we
>>> depend on them to build just about thing we would use in any war
>>> effort.
>>
>> There's a bigger problem than that. What happens when the cheap Chinese
>> imports at Walmart that allow a significant portion of the population
>> to think they're doing fine dry up?
>
> True. But I'm thinking specifically of war rhetoric with a country who
> supplies just about everything we need to fight a war.

I read an article this morning that Vista Outdoors is splitting the
company in two and selling the parts individually. It's been in the works
for a while but CSG raised its bid and it looks like it will get the
ammunition part of the business. CSG is the Czechoslovak Group, a holding
company located in Prague.

Holding companies don't manufacture anything so I doubt CCI and Federal
will leave Idaho and Minnesota respectively but you never know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sovereign_State

I remember reading the book when it first came out. At the time Geneen's
ITT was the poster child for multinationals. It has gotten worse. ITT
itself has had its finger in a lot of pies including the 1972 presidential
election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITT_Inc.

On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:33:51 -0400, DFS wrote:

> And of course you can add/edit a Registry key and enter comments.

The part I like is you can add a Registry key only if you know it exists.
In windows 2000 you could easily have tab completion in the cmd console --
if you knew what to set. Getting the full menu for an explorer right click
in Windows 11 is the same deal.

I have a now obsolete book that listed all the Registry options. You could
do strange and wondrous things -- if only you knew.

I can't claim innocence. The company I work for uses a system
configuration file base on the ini format. There are options, some of
which are extra cost, that can be turned on if you happen to know they
exist.

On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 10:25:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I'm still not convinced that's the real reason they do it. I think it
> has more to do with price gouging (when you buy an upgraded version with
> a bigger SSD or more RAM) and built-in obsolescence (so you'll buy a new
> computer more often).

Okay. Welcome to Capitalism 101. Without planned obsolescence and
manufactured style fads sales dry up. My last car purchase was elective
since I could get a good deal on a leftover Toyota model I like that
Toyota doesn't make any more, otherwise I drive cars until they die. I'm
fairly handy so the F150 I bought 1986 in in the driveway still runs.
I've got a pair of Madewell chinos that I remember buying at the now
defunct K-Mart in 1989. My refrigerator is older than most posters on this
list, as is the gas range. If everyone, or even a large number of people,
were like me the system would have collapsed long ago.

On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 10:38:57 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> On 2024-10-04, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 08:00:31 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Who manufacture's the most computers?
>>>
>>> China is the world's leading manufacturer of computers, producing
>>> over 90% of the world's computers:
>>
>> You probably could say the same about sneakers or damn near anything
>> else.
>
> Yep. Before we get too snarky with China, it might be a good idea to
> rebuild our manufacturing base first.

Good luck with that. The people who remember how retired five years ago.

On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 10:36:13 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I got a call that one of our printers wasn't printing with a Tandy
> computer.
> The very first question I asked was, are the dip switches set for an IBM
> computer ("IBM" included clones). He said, "no." We spent an 90 minutes
> on the phone going over every possible issue. I finally asked again, are
> you SURE the dip switches are set for Tandy and not IBM? "Oh, wait a
> minute... hey it's working."

We got a call that our plastic preheater wasn't putting out full power.
The first question is 'Did you check the fuses?' The guy replied he had
and they were fine. We continued down the list of possible problems with
no resolution. The enxt morning I was on a plane.

3 phase machinery has 3 fuses, strange to say. If you measure the voltage
across the machine side you can see a phantom voltage feeding back through
the circuitry. You can either measure across the fuse or better yet pull
the fuse and check for continuity.

So I replaced the blown fuse and headed for the airport.

On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 10:21:07 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Those are usually business issues. I'm only writing for myself. So no
> collaboration or version control needed.

I don't have Subversion set up at home so there tend to be files like
foobar.100524. Sometimes my brilliant ideas don't work and I want to go
back. Undo only takes you so far and sometimes what I want undone is older
than other areas.

On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 07:13:22 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> But you can't allow the public to buy a product in say 1987 and continue
> using it forever. You need an excuse to get them to buy the same
> software over and over again, so you add a pixel or two to the interface
> and then demand more money.

Right. As in my other longer post if things work adequately and last
forever the company might as well have closed its doors in 1987 or
whenever the market was saturated.

On 2024-10-05 12:40 p.m., DFS wrote:
> On 10/4/2024 5:35 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
>> On 04 Oct 2024 21:10:22 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>
>>> Le 01-10-2024, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>
>>> And you, for a fact. I'm sure I saw you sent a message here about your
>>> issues with ntp.
>>>
>>
>> I've never had issues with ntp.  You are, like cheap AI, hallucinating.
>
>
> You are, like a stumblebum, lying.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> From:        F Russell <fr@random.info>
> Date:        9 Jan 2020 15:04:38 GMT
> Subject:     Help With NTP
> Message-ID:  <qv7fe60foq@news2.newsguy.com>
>
>
> Each time I boot my workstation I sync the time with NTP servers
> using openrdate, which is found here:
>
> https://github.com/resurrecting-open-source-projects/openrdate
>
> I want to use the NIST time servers
> (https://tf.nist.gov/tf-cgi/servers.cgi) with this command:
>
> rdate -v -n time.nist.gov
>
> The "-n" option uses the new SNTP/NTP protocol which
> the NIST recommends.
>
> Usually this will fail after a few minutes with a "time out"
> message although sometimes (not often) it will slowly succeed.
>
> However, using a different time server, pool.ntp.org,
> will always very quickly sync the time.
>
> What is the problem, if any?  Is the fault with the NIST
> time servers or with openrdate?
>
> I would appreciate if someone would test this openrdate
> version on his Linux machine to see if NIST also fails
> most of the time.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>> Here is the script I use at each and every boot to set my clock:
>>
>> #! /bin/bash
>> openrdate -4 -v -n pool.ntp.org
> > hwclock --systohc --utc --noadjfile
>
>> You could not even understand this script because you are an incompetent
>> imbecile.
>
>
> https://linux.die.net/man/8/hwclock
>
> https://github.com/resurrecting-open-source-projects/openrdate/blob/master/docs/rdate.txt
>
>
> Why are you so proud of your little configuration scripts?  Did you
> write some hwclock or openrdate code?  Hell no.
>
> What an idiot asshole.

Every Larry Pietraskiewicz conversationg might as well be summarized
with "I don't have any Linux problems, you assholes, except for when I
have serious Linux problems."

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-10-05 12:43 p.m., DFS wrote:
> On 10/5/2024 7:27 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> On 2024-10-05 6:38 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-04, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 08:00:31 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>      Who manufacture's the most computers?
>>>>>
>>>>>      China is the world's leading manufacturer of computers, producing
>>>>>      over 90% of the world's computers:
>>>>
>>>> You probably could say the same about sneakers or damn near anything
>>>> else.
>>>
>>> Yep. Before we get too snarky with China, it might be a good idea to
>>> rebuild
>>> our manufacturing base first.
>>
>> Something Trump was doing and the media called him a monster for doing.
>
>
> Trump is a lying, criminal sack of shit.
>
> https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/18/502528759/trump-claims-credit-for-keeping-ford-lincoln-production-in-kentucky

NPR are lying sacks of shit who defend the Democrat narrative no matter
what.

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CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-10-05 12:49 p.m., DFS wrote:
> On 10/5/2024 7:30 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>
>> I think most people don't realize how important the keyboard is. Even
>> if everything else works fine, if that keyboard keeps needing to be
>> replaced or ends up being mushy, the entire experience of using the
>> computer is ruined. People can live with a mediocre display, trackpad
>> or speakers, but if the keyboard is shit, people just won't want to
>> use their machine.
>
>
> Yep.  I've had very good luck with the 3 MS Comfort Curve 2000 keyboards
> I bought many years ago for $15 each, unboxed, at MicroCenter.  They've
> lasted me probably 15 years.
>
> Slightly ergonomic with low keyboard travel.
>
> Should've bought 8 of them.

One of the few things I bought in the 1990s was a clone of the Microsoft
Curve keyboard. I don't recall when I got rid of it, but it was the most
stellar keyboard I had ever owned. I honestly don't see why every
keyboard on the market doesn't use that design.

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CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 10/5/2024 4:08 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2024-10-05 12:43 p.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 10/5/2024 7:27 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-05 6:38 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-04, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 08:00:31 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>      Who manufacture's the most computers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      China is the world's leading manufacturer of computers,
>>>>>> producing
>>>>>>      over 90% of the world's computers:
>>>>>
>>>>> You probably could say the same about sneakers or damn near
>>>>> anything else.
>>>>
>>>> Yep. Before we get too snarky with China, it might be a good idea to
>>>> rebuild
>>>> our manufacturing base first.
>>>
>>> Something Trump was doing and the media called him a monster for doing.
>>
>>
>> Trump is a lying, criminal sack of shit.
>>
>> https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/18/502528759/trump-claims-credit-for-keeping-ford-lincoln-production-in-kentucky
>
> NPR are lying sacks of shit who defend the Democrat narrative no matter
> what.

The ONLY narrative here is Trump lying and claiming credit for something
he didn't achieve. He does it often. He's a compulsive liar.

On 10/5/2024 4:09 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2024-10-05 12:49 p.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 10/5/2024 7:30 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I think most people don't realize how important the keyboard is. Even
>>> if everything else works fine, if that keyboard keeps needing to be
>>> replaced or ends up being mushy, the entire experience of using the
>>> computer is ruined. People can live with a mediocre display, trackpad
>>> or speakers, but if the keyboard is shit, people just won't want to
>>> use their machine.
>>
>>
>> Yep.  I've had very good luck with the 3 MS Comfort Curve 2000
>> keyboards I bought many years ago for $15 each, unboxed, at
>> MicroCenter.  They've lasted me probably 15 years.
>>
>> Slightly ergonomic with low keyboard travel.
>>
>> Should've bought 8 of them.
>
> One of the few things I bought in the 1990s was a clone of the Microsoft
> Curve keyboard. I don't recall when I got rid of it, but it was the most
> stellar keyboard I had ever owned. I honestly don't see why every
> keyboard on the market doesn't use that design.

MS went to the Curve 3000, which is also ergonomic but very different.
I have one, but I haven't used it much. Initially it really slowed me down.

I looked at the SteelSeries keyboards you mentioned, but they all appear
to be for gaming, and no ergonomic models.

Edit: this one is close to the Curve 2000.

https://www.amazon.com/RECCAZR-Ergonomic-Keyboard-Spill-Resistant-Compatible/dp/B0DD3KDT2G/

Gets good reviews and is just $30.