On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 07:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> I’m not sure about the legalities of dual-licensing. If you look at
> licences like the GPL, they have wording that says “if you don’t accept
> this licence, then you don’t have permission to use the software”. That
> kind of precludes getting that permission via an alternative licence ...

I misspoke. Perl has the Artistic License not the Poetic License

https://dev.perl.org/licenses/

"It is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the
terms of either:

a) the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software
Foundation; either version 1, or (at your option) any later version, or

b) the "Artistic License".

For those of you that choose to use the GNU General Public License, my
interpretation of the GNU General Public License is that no Perl script
falls under the terms of the GPL unless you explicitly put said script
under the terms of the GPL yourself."

Larry Wall

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License

The MIT No Attribution and BSD Zero Clause are essentially public domain
like free software was distributed prior to Stallman. There is nothing in
either to prevent you from calling it GPL like Wall said. The reverse is
not true; software released under GPL can't become BSD Zero Clause.

rbowman wrote this post; take it under advisement:

> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 14:54:19 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Microsoft is famous for taking processes that work well in text format
>> and converting them to binary so that binary tools are required to deal
>> with the format. A good example: the goddam Registry.
>
> It's been too long but prior to the registry wasn't there something like 5
> different files you had to edit?
>
> Linux wasn't any better with xorg.conf and the rest.

Actually that is preferable to an ever expanding database with legacy 32-bit
stuff plus 64-bit duplicate stuff (and don't get me started on the system32
directory).

To me, it's nice to have one small config file for each "application".

(However, in my own MIDI project, I have multiple files: .rc, .usr, .drums,
..playlist, .palette, and .ctrl to handle various aspects of the
configuration. Also Qt .qss files if desired. I would not want to lump all
this stuff into one file. But that's just me.)

--
For the next hour, WE will control all that you see and hear.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this post; take it under advisement:

> On 4 Oct 2024 05:22:19 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> Linux wasn't any better with xorg.conf and the rest.
>
> On Linux, they are all text files. Not only can you understand their
> contents, you can use diff between different versions to see what has
> changed, and copy/paste accordingly.

One issue, however, is that an application can search a number of paths to
find a configuration: /etc/, /usr/share, /usr/lib, and the user's HOME or
HOME/.config or HOME/.local.

About as silly as the Redundant Registry!

--
Now I lay me back to sleep. The speaker's dull; the subject's deep.
If he should stop before I wake, Give me a nudge for goodness' sake.
-- Anonymous

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this post; take it under advisement:

> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:05:00 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> The only thing preventing me from getting a Lenovo is the fact that it's
>> Chinese.
>
> Can’t go admitting that those damn Commies can produce a superior product
> to good old Non-Latin America, eh?

AI Overview:

Who manufacture's the most computers?

China is the world's leading manufacturer of computers, producing over
90% of the world's computers:

Poor crude.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/19645447_web1_web_RAMclr-092424-made-in-china-TUE.jpg

--
Perhaps Debian is concerned more about technical excellence rather than
ease of use by breaking software. In the former we may excel. In the
latter we have to concede the field to Microsoft. Guess where I want to go
today? -- Manoj Srivastava

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>
>> Face facts: the whole planet has 30 years of MS Office knowledge and
>> experience ...
>
>No it hasn’t. The entire installed base of Microsoft Windows (the only
>significant market for Office) has never exceeded about 1.2 billion. And
>the world population is currently about 6× that.

Also, in the vast majority that do have MS Office experience, their
knowledge is very rudimentary, of little value, and easily applied to
alternatives.

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lying shamelessly

On 2024-10-04, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this post; take it under advisement:
>
>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:05:00 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> The only thing preventing me from getting a Lenovo is the fact that it's
>>> Chinese.
>>
>> Can’t go admitting that those damn Commies can produce a superior product
>> to good old Non-Latin America, eh?
>
> AI Overview:
>
> Who manufacture's the most computers?
>
> China is the world's leading manufacturer of computers, producing over
> 90% of the world's computers:

So relying on China for our computers is a "good thing?" You might want to
tell your buddy in the White House to tone down his anti-China rhetoric
then. It's going to be pretty hard to fight China if we depend on them to
build just about thing we would use in any war effort.

The Woke are big on snark, small on brains.

> Poor crude.
>
> https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/19645447_web1_web_RAMclr-092424-made-in-china-TUE.jpg
>

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-10-03 5:44 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-02, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-02 9:12 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-02, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-02 8:23 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-02, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-10-01 4:40 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/1/2024 2:51 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 08:58:44 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree. I've repeatedly decided to throw myself head first into an
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience that was solely Linux only to find out that there were
>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be certain issues. I had serious slowdowns and screen tearing in
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013
>>>>>>>>>>>> with gaming, I had random freezes in the last year, I've had
>>>>>>>>>>>> suspend/wake issues throughout and in the last year (the only
>>>>>>>>>>>> machine I
>>>>>>>>>>>> owned which never had this problem with Linux is my 2006 Dell).
>>>>>>>>>>>> Problems
>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't hard to find. One must really be dedicated to the idea of
>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>> rid of Windows to disregard them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fuck you, imbecile!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Millions use GNU/Linux and the only ones who have problems are the
>>>>>>>>> brain-dead, retarded asshole like you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "I have serious problems with GNU/Linux from time to time and it's
>>>>>>>> always a bit of a struggle trying to get things back on track."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Feeb, March 2018
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never expect Linux advocates to tell the truth. In Feeb's case, I
>>>>>>> don't expect anything at all since all of his nyms are filtered. Wasting
>>>>>>> even five seconds reading his garbage is too much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never expect anti-Linux FUDsters to ever tell the truth about Linux. Their
>>>>>> "goto tactic" is to call Linux advocates liars. I don't lie, but I guess
>>>>>> they anti-Linux FUDsters are projecting.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're probably the only one here who doesn't exaggerate how great Linux
>>>>> is. You might not face the same problems that I do, but at least you
>>>>> concede that it is possible that they would happen. That's already a lot
>>>>> more than most Linux advocates. Most will deny that a problem exists and
>>>>> insult you for having experienced it.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen that with some Linux "advocates" as well. I don't get it. There is
>>>> no "one size fits all." I don't even try to convince my wife or kids to use
>>>> Linux because what they want or need isn't really available (or as readily
>>>> available) in Linux (Windows games for my kids and Microsoft Office and
>>>> (now) AI crap for my wife).
>>>
>>> They've used Microsoft Office as an excuse to stick to Windows for so
>>> long that it's become boring. Other than DFS, I don't think anyone
>>> realistically needs what the suite offers. Sure, it's better for some
>>> and you won't fall into compatibility issues when your friends or
>>> colleagues send you their documents, but that's about as good as it
>>> realistically gets. Office's web interface used through Linux or
>>> LibreOffice will do its job quite well, especially when you factor in
>>> that it cost you nothing to try.
>>
>> For text editing I was JOE (Jstar variant). For word processing I use
>> WordStar for DOS in DOSBox-X, convert the file to RTF format and read it
>> into LibreOffice or TextMaker. It keeps the formatting from WordStar and I
>> can keep writing in my favorite word processor — which I've been using for
>> over 30 years. GUI word processors get in the way for me. I can't help
>> messing around with the format instead of worrying about what I'm writing
>
> You're not the only one. Products have emerged since the explosion in
> popularity of things like WordPerfect and Word which go back to the old
> way, where the interface stays out of sight. The priority should be on
> the content you produce, not the aesthetics of the software. That's part
> of why people shouldn't care, for example, that Word 2024 is prettier
> than Word 2021.

Completely agree. Very little that I write needs to be "fancified." Jstar
and WordStar don't get in the way of writing with desktop publishing
features.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-04 8:53 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-04, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this post; take it under advisement:
>>
>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:05:00 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> The only thing preventing me from getting a Lenovo is the fact that it's
>>>> Chinese.
>>>
>>> Can’t go admitting that those damn Commies can produce a superior product
>>> to good old Non-Latin America, eh?
>>
>> AI Overview:
>>
>> Who manufacture's the most computers?
>>
>> China is the world's leading manufacturer of computers, producing over
>> 90% of the world's computers:
>
> So relying on China for our computers is a "good thing?" You might want to
> tell your buddy in the White House to tone down his anti-China rhetoric
> then. It's going to be pretty hard to fight China if we depend on them to
> build just about thing we would use in any war effort.
>
> The Woke are big on snark, small on brains.

He is also full of shit. The 90% number is only accurate if Taiwan is
considered to be a part of China. As we know, the Taiwanese don't want
to be considered a part of that regime. That country contains the
remnants of pre-Communist China; they want nothing to do with the
ideology or the mainland.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-10-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-10-03 5:56 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 12:19:20 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately a lot of the newest Dell laptops (at least the thin,
>>>> higher end ones) have gone the MacBook route, soldered on RAM and SSDs.
>>>> So, most likely, I'll be using older computers for the rest of my life.
>>>> I don't like not being able to upgrade.
>>>
>>> I don't often do upgrades but I was happy I could stick a hotter i5, more
>>> RAM, and a SSD into the old Dell even if I had to go SATA with the SSD.
>>
>> My newest Dell, a Latitude 5300, actually uses an NVME SSD, has 32 GBs of
>> RAM and uses an 8th generation i7. Except for the 8th generation CPU, it's
>> pretty modern. And it uses an Intel GPU which, for my purposes, is a lot less
>> hassle than a Nividia or AMD GPU. It also has an oversized battery, with up
>> to 8 hours of battery life, depending on what you're doing. The only thing I
>> don't like about modern laptops are the keyboards. Seems that, with each
>> generation of laptops, the keyboards get "twinkier."
>
> MSI laptops have splendid keyboards, but most every other company's
> keyboards are mushy and prone to failure. The MSI keyboard from my 2015
> unit never needed a replacement but my 2021 ASUS keyboard needed to be
> replaced in 2023.

Even if the newest Dell keyboards don't fail, they're still as comfortable
to use.

>> My micro desktop Dell Optiplexes are basically laptops without built-in
>> keyboards or screens. All the components are interchangeable with laptops of
>> the same era — same memory and Sata SSDs (or 2.5" SATA SSDs) or both.
>
> Being able to repair is great. I am bothered by the fact that companies
> think we're too stupid to fix our own units and solder the stuff to
> protect the technology from ourselves.

I think part of it is making the computer as thing and light as possible.
Still, I would gladly trade off a little and thickness for a computer I can
upgrade.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-03, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:07:10 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Being able to repair is great. I am bothered by the fact that companies
>> think we're too stupid to fix our own units and solder the stuff to
>> protect the technology from ourselves.
>
> Sockets cost money.

But when you're selling a high-end Dell XPS for $2400.00 (for example) I'm
guessing the few extra dollars for sockets (if they cost that much) wouldn't
make that big of a difference.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-04, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 20:47:30 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> On 2024-10-03 2:10 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:07:10 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> Being able to repair is great. I am bothered by the fact that
>>>> companies think we're too stupid to fix our own units and solder the
>>>> stuff to protect the technology from ourselves.
>>>
>>> Sockets cost money.
>>
>> Is that really their excuse?
>
> https://superuser.com/questions/1172628/manufacturing-cost-of-socketed-
> versus-soldered-chips
>
> There's a little discussion there. It's more than the cost of the socket.
> With modern SMT processes a pick and place machine puts the components on
> the board. Usually they are held in place with solder paste although
> sometimes adhesive is used. Run the board through a reflow machine and
> you're done.
>
> Think about soldered on laptop memory versus DIMMs. First, the DIMM is an
> entirely separate manufacturing step. Then you need to solder the slot and
> retained hardware onto the motherboard, which is more complcated than
> dropping on SMTs. Finally you have to insert the DIMMs.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo677TyaDns
>
> They don't show it but presumably in a real operation the robot is picking
> the DIMMs out a a cassette or some other fixture. More steps, more money.

Easily recouped at the price they're charging for high end computers. I
think it has more to do with making more money. Greed. If you buy a laptop
with 16 GBs and want to upgrade it to 32 GBs, it will cost less (maybe much
less) than $100 with sockets. If you want 32 GBs instead of 16 GBs on a high
end laptop with soldered memory, they're probably going to charge you
another $200 or $300. Same goes for getting a larger SSD. And the cost
difference of soldering 32 GBs on a motherboard instead of 16 GBs, is tiny
when considering that these chips are bought wholesale by the thousands.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 10/4/2024 3:01 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On 4 Oct 2024 05:22:19 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> Linux wasn't any better with xorg.conf and the rest.
>
> On Linux, they are all text files. Not only can you understand their
> contents, you can use diff between different versions to see what has
> changed, and copy/paste accordingly.

"Half the fun of Linux is editing text files. not sarcasm"

#5 at
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=996630

On 2024-10-04 9:05 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-03 5:44 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-02, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-02 9:12 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-02, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-02 8:23 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-10-02, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-01 4:40 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/1/2024 2:51 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 08:58:44 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree. I've repeatedly decided to throw myself head first into an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience that was solely Linux only to find out that there were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be certain issues. I had serious slowdowns and screen tearing in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with gaming, I had random freezes in the last year, I've had
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspend/wake issues throughout and in the last year (the only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> owned which never had this problem with Linux is my 2006 Dell).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't hard to find. One must really be dedicated to the idea of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rid of Windows to disregard them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fuck you, imbecile!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Millions use GNU/Linux and the only ones who have problems are the
>>>>>>>>>> brain-dead, retarded asshole like you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "I have serious problems with GNU/Linux from time to time and it's
>>>>>>>>> always a bit of a struggle trying to get things back on track."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Feeb, March 2018
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I never expect Linux advocates to tell the truth. In Feeb's case, I
>>>>>>>> don't expect anything at all since all of his nyms are filtered. Wasting
>>>>>>>> even five seconds reading his garbage is too much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never expect anti-Linux FUDsters to ever tell the truth about Linux. Their
>>>>>>> "goto tactic" is to call Linux advocates liars. I don't lie, but I guess
>>>>>>> they anti-Linux FUDsters are projecting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're probably the only one here who doesn't exaggerate how great Linux
>>>>>> is. You might not face the same problems that I do, but at least you
>>>>>> concede that it is possible that they would happen. That's already a lot
>>>>>> more than most Linux advocates. Most will deny that a problem exists and
>>>>>> insult you for having experienced it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen that with some Linux "advocates" as well. I don't get it. There is
>>>>> no "one size fits all." I don't even try to convince my wife or kids to use
>>>>> Linux because what they want or need isn't really available (or as readily
>>>>> available) in Linux (Windows games for my kids and Microsoft Office and
>>>>> (now) AI crap for my wife).
>>>>
>>>> They've used Microsoft Office as an excuse to stick to Windows for so
>>>> long that it's become boring. Other than DFS, I don't think anyone
>>>> realistically needs what the suite offers. Sure, it's better for some
>>>> and you won't fall into compatibility issues when your friends or
>>>> colleagues send you their documents, but that's about as good as it
>>>> realistically gets. Office's web interface used through Linux or
>>>> LibreOffice will do its job quite well, especially when you factor in
>>>> that it cost you nothing to try.
>>>
>>> For text editing I was JOE (Jstar variant). For word processing I use
>>> WordStar for DOS in DOSBox-X, convert the file to RTF format and read it
>>> into LibreOffice or TextMaker. It keeps the formatting from WordStar and I
>>> can keep writing in my favorite word processor — which I've been using for
>>> over 30 years. GUI word processors get in the way for me. I can't help
>>> messing around with the format instead of worrying about what I'm writing
>>
>> You're not the only one. Products have emerged since the explosion in
>> popularity of things like WordPerfect and Word which go back to the old
>> way, where the interface stays out of sight. The priority should be on
>> the content you produce, not the aesthetics of the software. That's part
>> of why people shouldn't care, for example, that Word 2024 is prettier
>> than Word 2021.
>
> Completely agree. Very little that I write needs to be "fancified." Jstar
> and WordStar don't get in the way of writing with desktop publishing
> features.

If I were a more talented or prolific writer and had enough good ideas
to write a number of novels, the only things I would need from a word
processor are a thesaurus and a spelling checker. I don't see how having
a load of beautiful, smooth menus would improve any of what I write.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-10-04 9:08 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-03 5:56 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 12:19:20 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately a lot of the newest Dell laptops (at least the thin,
>>>>> higher end ones) have gone the MacBook route, soldered on RAM and SSDs.
>>>>> So, most likely, I'll be using older computers for the rest of my life.
>>>>> I don't like not being able to upgrade.
>>>>
>>>> I don't often do upgrades but I was happy I could stick a hotter i5, more
>>>> RAM, and a SSD into the old Dell even if I had to go SATA with the SSD.
>>>
>>> My newest Dell, a Latitude 5300, actually uses an NVME SSD, has 32 GBs of
>>> RAM and uses an 8th generation i7. Except for the 8th generation CPU, it's
>>> pretty modern. And it uses an Intel GPU which, for my purposes, is a lot less
>>> hassle than a Nividia or AMD GPU. It also has an oversized battery, with up
>>> to 8 hours of battery life, depending on what you're doing. The only thing I
>>> don't like about modern laptops are the keyboards. Seems that, with each
>>> generation of laptops, the keyboards get "twinkier."
>>
>> MSI laptops have splendid keyboards, but most every other company's
>> keyboards are mushy and prone to failure. The MSI keyboard from my 2015
>> unit never needed a replacement but my 2021 ASUS keyboard needed to be
>> replaced in 2023.
>
> Even if the newest Dell keyboards don't fail, they're still as comfortable
> to use.

I never had issues with the one on my MSI or the Sony before it. My wife
also has no issues with her MSI one made by SteelSeries.

>>> My micro desktop Dell Optiplexes are basically laptops without built-in
>>> keyboards or screens. All the components are interchangeable with laptops of
>>> the same era — same memory and Sata SSDs (or 2.5" SATA SSDs) or both.
>>
>> Being able to repair is great. I am bothered by the fact that companies
>> think we're too stupid to fix our own units and solder the stuff to
>> protect the technology from ourselves.
>
> I think part of it is making the computer as thing and light as possible.
> Still, I would gladly trade off a little and thickness for a computer I can
> upgrade.

Same. If I have to choose between a thin computer with a mushy keyboard
or a thick, upgradeable one with a keyboard from SteelSeries, I'm going
for the latter.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 09:05:22 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> The 90% number is only accurate if Taiwan is considered to be a part of
> China.

Fun fact: the two are closely intertwined economically. And that has been
the case going back decades, with investment money from Taiwan (and Hong
Kong) going into Shenzhen etc.

Politically, the two couldn’t be further apart. But in terms of doing
business, they couldn’t be closer together.

On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 09:41:34 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 10/4/2024 3:01 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> On 4 Oct 2024 05:22:19 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> Linux wasn't any better with xorg.conf and the rest.
>>
>> On Linux, they are all text files. Not only can you understand their
>> contents, you can use diff between different versions to see what has
>> changed, and copy/paste accordingly.
>
> "Half the fun of Linux is editing text files. not sarcasm"

You know how you get summoned because some machine is acting up? And the
user swears blind that “nothing has changed”? But you pull up the previous
snapshot of the config, do a diff against the current version, and ...
“Aha! You *did* change something!”. And you change it back. And all is
well.

Or you put comments next to a change in the config, explaining why it was
done. So if the situation changes or it doesn’t quite solve the problem,
you know what to change back.

Not something possible on Dimdows.

On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 09:43:21 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> If I were a more talented or prolific writer and had enough good ideas
> to write a number of novels, the only things I would need from a word
> processor are a thesaurus and a spelling checker.

As a software developer (and sometime documentation writer), I wonder how
non-programmers can manage without version control. How do they keep track
of changes? How do multiple contributors collaborate on a single document?

On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 13:11:26 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> On 2024-10-03, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:07:10 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> Being able to repair is great. I am bothered by the fact that
>>> companies think we're too stupid to fix our own units and solder the
>>> stuff to protect the technology from ourselves.
>>
>> Sockets cost money.
>
> But when you're selling a high-end Dell XPS for $2400.00 (for example)
> I'm guessing the few extra dollars for sockets (if they cost that much)
> wouldn't make that big of a difference.

I don't remember the scenario and don't think it was 'Unsafe At Any Speed'
but there was something where auto fatalities were caused by the omission
of a $1.50 part because it would have cost too much.

As I expanded in another post it's not only the cost of the socket but the
impact on the entire work flow.

Le 03-10-2024, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> a écrit :
>
> Weird. Wouldn't it just adjust the UTC time it gets from the NTP server?

In fact, it's difficult. If you are alone and disconnected of the rest
of the world, you don't care about the time drift. But as soon as you
plug your computer on Internet, a time shift will be an issue. And if
the drift is important and you just fetch it from time to time, you will
be inaccurate timestamps and your experience will be very bad. So it has
to be done carefully.

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Le 01-10-2024, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
>
> Fuck you, imbecile!

Does Joel inspire you?

> Millions use GNU/Linux and the only ones who have problems are the
> brain-dead, retarded asshole like you.

And you, for a fact. I'm sure I saw you sent a message here about your
issues with ntp. And if, I sometime saw people having issues with
chrony, you are the only one in the world I saw having issues with ntp.

> Consequently, your PEBKAC experiences are only portrayals of your
> own stupidity and nothing else. You are advised to keep them to your
> stupid self.
>
> Don't pollute Usenet with tales of your abysmal incompetence again.
>
> Inferior idiot.

So, for that part, you can apply it to yourself.

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Le 01-10-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
> On 10/1/2024 2:51 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 08:58:44 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>>>> I disagree. I've repeatedly decided to throw myself head first into an
>>>>> experience that was solely Linux only to find out that there were going
>>>>> to be certain issues. I had serious slowdowns and screen tearing in 2013
>>>>> with gaming, I had random freezes in the last year, I've had
>>>>> suspend/wake issues throughout and in the last year (the only machine I
>>>>> owned which never had this problem with Linux is my 2006 Dell). Problems
>>>>> aren't hard to find. One must really be dedicated to the idea of getting
>>>>> rid of Windows to disregard them.
>>
>> Fuck you, imbecile!
>>
>> Millions use GNU/Linux and the only ones who have problems are the
>> brain-dead, retarded asshole like you.
>
>
> "I have serious problems with GNU/Linux from time to time and it's
> always a bit of a struggle trying to get things back on track."
>
> Feeb, March 2018

OK, my bad. I thought it was still about the issue with ntp.

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Le 04-10-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>
> I’m not sure about the legalities of dual-licensing. If you look at
> licences like the GPL, they have wording that says “if you don’t accept
> this licence, then you don’t have permission to use the software”. That
> kind of precludes getting that permission via an alternative licence ...

There is no reason to put a line of code under two licences, I don't
believe that exists. But, you can have parts of a same software released
on different licences.

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> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 08:39:05 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> Face facts: the whole planet has 30 years of MS Office knowledge and
>> experience ...

No, it isn't. I have 30 years of experience of Linux command line. I
learned them a long time ago and still use them now. For MS Office,
every time there is an update, everything is messed up, I don't find
anything and I have to learn it from the start again.

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On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 07:54:39 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Actually that is preferable to an ever expanding database with legacy
> 32-bit stuff plus 64-bit duplicate stuff (and don't get me started on
> the system32 directory).

Yeah, SysWOW64 was one of MS's weirder moves. Odbcad32.exe was the real
pisser. Both the 32 and 64 bit versions are called Odbcad32.exe. Our
legacy programs are 32 bit so inadvertently using the 64bit one to create
a DSN loads a 64bit driver which doesn't fly.

> To me, it's nice to have one small config file for each "application".

Most of the later native Windows work I've done uses C# with a JSON
configuration file. I create an installer that drops the exe, required
dlls, and the configuration file in the specified directory.

IConfiguration config = new ConfigurationBuilder()
.AddJsonFile("rangechecker.json")
.AddEnvironmentVariables()
.Build();

string database = config["Database"];
string dataType = config["DataType"];
.....

makes it easy to pick up the specific configuration plus any global
environment variables you need. I've gotten fond of C# and DotNet. With
the exception of GUIs it is cross-platform. GUIs will be coming to Linux
Real Soon Now. There have been a couple of attempts but it isn't an easy
task given Gtk, Qt, and so forth.

On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 13:18:27 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Easily recouped at the price they're charging for high end computers. I
> think it has more to do with making more money.

Computer manufacturers are not non-profits or at least try not to be. If
you're a corporate purchasing agent and can buy Lenovo boxes with the same
spec as Dell boxes $200 cheaper which way do you go?