On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 13:41:48 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
>news:66c76a9d$0$1784$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> In article <o5oecj984n339rsldv12b3tekglth4ddgg@4ax.com>,
>> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> >> >> >> Trump claimed that the massive use of mail-in ballots opened
>>> >> >> >> >> it up to
>>> >> >> >> >> fraud,
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >It does. Explain why it wouldn't.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Because it's not as simple as just filling out someone else's
>>> >> >> >> ballot,
>>> >> >> >> they verify them as they're processed and counted.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >LOL What a fucking joke.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> It's not a joke.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >It is. You can't prove it is completely fraud free.
>>> >>
>>> >> "Completely", maybe not, but there certainly wasn't fraudulent voting
>>> >> going on to an extent that would change the outcome.
>>> >
>>> >How do you know?
>>>
>>>
>>> Because I actually look at information, instead of absorbing Trump's
>>> lie. There are protocols for handling a mailed ballot. It's a
>>> sensitive document, falsifying it is a crime. It's not that easy to
>>> have "millions of ballots" get fraudulently used.
>>
>> It is when you can't vet them all which you know doesn't happen.
>
>Here's an interesting case:
>
>https://www.foxnews.com/politics/voter-fraud-california-man-finds-dozens-of-ballots-stacked-outside-home
>
>But we're told this is 'unimportant' that evidence of mass fraud doesn't
>count according to Joel until someone PROVES it alter the election.
>
>Then of course, we have attempts like this, which we're told to ignore until
>AFTER it has been shown to have changed an election.... and be PROVEN to
>have done so.
>
>https://abc13.com/texas-vote-by-mail-fraud-ken-paxton-in-ballot-gregg-county-commission-arrested/6544331/

"Iowa official’s wife convicted of 52 counts of voter fraud in ballot-stuffing
scheme"
<https://apnews.com/article/iowa-ballot-box-stuffing-18432099d65be5e95aa5e5cd83b589e1>

>Indeed, I wonder if Joel is aware that the BIGGEST case of election fraud in
>US history was done by Democrats?
>
>Heck, here's another one by Democrats that was so bad that it represented
>about 10% of the ballots cast
>
>https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/report/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-100000-stolen-votes-chicago

You dare to use the Heritage Foundation as a reference for ANYTHING??

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On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 13:24:34 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:hlmecjt9cmbu6jplr184iucao4jpgg6kgs@4ax.com...
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> >> >> Trump claimed that the massive use of mail-in ballots opened it up
>>>> >> >> to
>>>> >> >> fraud,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >It does. Explain why it wouldn't.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Because it's not as simple as just filling out someone else's ballot,
>>>> >> they verify them as they're processed and counted.
>>>> >
>>>> >LOL What a fucking joke.
>>>>
>>>> It's not a joke.
>>>
>>>It is. You can't prove it is completely fraud free.
>>
>>
>> "Completely", maybe not, but there certainly wasn't fraudulent voting
>> going on to an extent that would change the outcome.
>
>Ok.. PROVE IT.

It is axiomatic that you can't prove a negative.

Now, you prove that vote fraud got the wrong US President elected.

>Further, it would seem to be your implication that election fraud is
>perfectly acceptable and should be ignored UNTIL and UNLESS it can be PROVEN
>to have altered election results.. IOW, we are suppose to take it as a
>matter of faith that election fraud doesn't count unless you can PROVE it
>made a difference.

That's your misperception. The consensus is not that vote fraud doesn't exist,
but that the system's design works well enough to make it insignificant.

>Yep, according to Joel, commit all the election fraud you want, may the best
>cheater win as long as they can avoid being caught....

Liar. Joel never said anything even remotely like that. You're attempting the
old dodge of making something up and attributing it to somebody else.

You keep asking for proof, YOU prove that Joel claimed that it's ok to commit
all the fraud you want.

>Sounds like something you might find in some 3rd world country with a
>corrupt government.

Or like something you might find in a red state.

PS: I expect a great deal of fraud and bottom of the deck dealing from the
Trump contingent this election.

It won't be enough to counter the landslide, but it will happen at record
levels.

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On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 13:24:34 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>Ok.. PROVE IT.

Prove your election fraud claim that the outcome of the election was changed.

Go ahead. We'll wait.

An obsession with crowd sizes
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 13:13:28 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:72kecjd104vnjdvm1q8pi86jadqqvkuucs@4ax.com...
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> >> Trump claimed that the massive use of mail-in ballots opened it up to
>>>> >> fraud,
>>>> >
>>>> >It does. Explain why it wouldn't.
>>>>
>>>> Because it's not as simple as just filling out someone else's ballot,
>>>> they verify them as they're processed and counted.
>>>
>>>LOL What a fucking joke.
>>
>>
>> It's not a joke.
>
>Oh, you were serious?
>
>That's even more of a joke then.
>

Prove it.

Taylor Swift just endorsed Kamala Harris in a sneaky way
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 13:12:58 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>> Because it's not as simple as just filling out someone else's ballot,
>
>Sure it is. Once they have the ballot, there is nothing to keep them from
>filling it out.

Plenty to stop it being counted.

>> they verify them as they're processed and counted.
>
>Who does? How do they do so?

That has been specifically laid out time and time again.

In this NG and elsewhere.

Your fraud claims are baseless.

STFU.

A side benefit of supporting Ukraine.

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On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 16:16:36 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>The media is very powerful and when 84% or more of their coverage of Harris is positive it's going
>to be difficult for Trump and the republicans to counter.

Especially since Trump is a career criminal and Vance is a spouse abuser.

Extra pepperoni
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 18:52:28 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

>pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
>news:va7o94$g5f1$3@dont-email.me:
>
>
>> 1. Trump needs to destroy Kamala in the debates which we all know will
>> be biased in favor of Kamala.
>
>
> You really think Trump won't
>chicken out of yet another debate?
>
>
>
>2. Trump needs to hammer home the mess
>> 3.5 years of Biden/Kamala have made.
>
>
> You mean the rising stock market,
>the millions of new jobs created, the
>"help wanted" signs everywhere, the
>falling unemployment, the growers and
>construction firm begging illegals NOT
>to leave?

Turns out the following is true. Since Poppy Bush was inaugurated, Republican
Presidents have added 1 million new jobs, Democrats 50 million. Add to this that
all three Republicans ended their terms in an economic downturn and all three
Democrats left behind a boom.

"I didn't believe this, so I triple checked it. Since the end of the Cold War,
America has created 51 million new jobs. So, what's the score? Democrats 50,
Republicans 1." - Bill Clinton

WAPO fact check: "Bureau of Labor Statistics data show that nearly 50 million
jobs were created from November 1989 [when the Berlin wall fell] through July of
this year.

By starting during George H.W. Bush’s term, Clinton skips over Ronald Reagan, a
Republican who oversaw the creation of 16 million jobs. Instead, the period
covered by his statistic included three Republicans — Bush, his son George W.
Bush and Trump — who had poor jobs records.

About 1 million jobs were created from November 1989 to the end of the first
Bush term, 1.4 million under his son, and then a negative 2.7 million under
Trump (because of the pandemic). All three Republicans ended their terms with
the country in economic downturns."

"By contrast, 22.9 million jobs were created under Clinton, 11.6 million under
Barack Obama and 15.8 million under President Joe Biden."

"You will note that gives the Democrats 50.3 million jobs and the Republicans a
negative 300,000. Perhaps Clinton thought that would sound too fantastical. So
it appears as if he dated his statistic from January 1989, which results in a
total of 51.5 million jobs, with about 1.3 million for Republicans."
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/08/22/dnc-fact-check-democratic-national-convention-day-3/>

>
>
>
>
>Republicans Urge Immigrants to Stay in Florida
>Jun 05, 2023
>
>https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-urge-immigrants-stay-florida-fearing-
>new-laws-impact-1804640
>
>
>
>
>
>Florida GOP lawmaker says the anti-
>immigration law he backed is causing
>a 'major problem' as migrant families
>are leaving the state
>Jun 6, 2023
>
>https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-gop-lawmaker-urges-immigrants-stay-
>voted-anti-immigration-bill-2023-6
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 21:08:50 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-08-22, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <66c77117$0$1780$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 10:06:18 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>>> <va7r6a$gin0$2@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>>
>>> > On 2024-08-22, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>> What scares me are the idiots who believe in them.
>>> >>
>>> >> Indeed. The media is very powerful and when 84% or more of their
>>> >> coverage of Harris is positive
>>> >
>>> > ... and 89% of the negative coverage goes in the tRUMP column so...
>>>
>>> Are you suggesting that the news should protect him and NOT cover his insanely
>>> over the top horrible behavior, behavior that is far worse than anyone on the
>>> other "team" (as you put it)?
>>
>> Whenever bad news about your side comes out it get swept under the rug.
>
>1. Hunter laptop.

Bogus.

>2. Russian collusion.

Proven.

>3. Biden being a cognitive train wreck.

Just like Trump.

>4. Walz lying.

About what?

>5. Kamala not having any policies listed on her website.

They're posted on the Dems website.

>6. Kamala not having press conferences, unscripted ones.

So?

>7. Kamala flip flopping on fracking, war on fossil fuels, war on ICE etc.

"Tacking to center" SOP for any politician.

>8. The border disaster.

Caused by Republicans.

>9. The soaring crime they try to hide by spinning numbers.

The lies about the crime rate being told by the right because lies are all they
have.

>10 Her tax policy, especially unrealized gains being taxed.

She outlined her tax policy last night. I don't think she's gone far enough.
Let's return to the 1999 tax code. Better still, let's just treat cap gains as
ordinary income and do away with the QBI.

>All pretty much missing from the left wing MSM.
>Oh but they are going to tax the hell out of corporations.

About damned time!

>Gasser will love that one as he hates success and doesn't pay any income taxes.

Gasser? New name for Trump?

"We believe your children should be able to go to school without worrying about
being shot dead in their classroom." -- Tim Walz

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On 22 Aug 2024 17:17:26 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Aug 22, 2024 at 10:16:48?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
><66c77277$0$1780$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> Why isn't cameltoe talking about hers?
>
>You want to talk to a cameltoe?

He *is* a cameltoe.

Capitol police Sgt Aquilino Gonell emigrated from the Dominican Republic and
became a citizen. He served in the US Army in Iraq. On Jan 6, he was beaten
and blinded. Trump sided with the attackers. "He betrayed us." Five officers
died as a result of that day.

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On 22 Aug 2024 18:33:23 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Aug 22, 2024 at 10:37:52?AM MST, "Joel" wrote
><4ptecjpsd52lh2d7oid4huic4lb3l0nnpt@4ax.com>:
>
>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 10:16:48?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>> <66c77277$0$1780$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>
>>>> Why isn't cameltoe talking about hers?
>>>
>>> You want to talk to a cameltoe?
>>
>>
>> Isn't it amazing, how misogynist these lamers are? Even *women*, who
>> are MAGA, will say "he can grab my pussy any time he wants", and crap.
>> What happened to this world?
>
>"It’s actually much better, because everyone who gets the congressional Medal
>of Honor, that’s soldiers, they’re either in very bad shape because they’ve
>been hit so many times by bullets, or they’re dead."
>
>A few years ago that would have been enough to end a presidential bid. Trump
>does such things often. The Republicans do not care... their whole platform
>these days is "PWN THE LIBS"... do things to actively harm others.

"Do things to actively harm others." That's MAGA in a nutshell.

Wes Moore, Governor of Maryland: "I joined the Army when I was 17. In fact, I
was too young to sign the paperwork so my mom had to sign the paperwork for me
because I don't have bone spurs."
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 15:24:14 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>The rules don't exist, for him, and yet he's proclaiming to be the
>candidate of law and order, while running against a prosecuting
>attorney, as a felon. Just wow.

That's part of why he's so frightened. The other part is, if he doesn't get
elected, he could go to prison.

"On March 26 at 3:30 in the morning, a container ship the length of three
football fields, slammed into the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore and the
bridge collapsed. A port that drives 13% of our state's economy was now closed.
Thousands of workers were hours away from waking up and realizing they no longer
had a job. Six Marylanders who'd been on the bridge in the middle of the night
fixing potholes, lost their lives. And one of the first phone calls I got that
morning started with three words: Gov, this is Kamala. I want you to know we
are here every step of the way." -- Wes Moore, Governor of Maryland
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On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 02:02:09 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

>Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:66c78473$0$4027808$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 10:37:52 AM MST, "Joel" wrote
>> <4ptecjpsd52lh2d7oid4huic4lb3l0nnpt@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 10:16:48?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>> <66c77277$0$1780$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Why isn't cameltoe talking about hers?
>>>>
>>>> You want to talk to a cameltoe?
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't it amazing, how misogynist these lamers are? Even *women*, who
>>> are MAGA, will say "he can grab my pussy any time he wants", and
>>> crap. What happened to this world?
>>
>> "It’s actually much better, because everyone who gets the
>> congressional Medal of Honor, that’s soldiers, they’re either in
>> very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets, or
>> they’re dead."
>>
>> A few years ago that would have been enough to end a presidential bid.
>> Trump does such things often. The Republicans do not care... their
>> whole platform these days is "PWN THE LIBS"... do things to actively
>> harm others.
>>
>
>
> That rumbling sound you hear is
>Goldwater and Eisenhower rolling over
>in their graves at what has become of
>their "Grand Old Party"...........

I can hear Lincoln retching over the side of his coffin.

"It's the legacy of those six workers who fixed potholes while we slept, who
were born in another country but knew that America was big enough for them too."
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On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 02:08:23 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

>Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:66c7a2d8$0$3068683
>$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <XnsB1D68A1CD2A5F629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
>>> news:va7hji$f7q9$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>> > On 2024-08-22, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> In article <kjgecjlcm4imt9o11lpd8vpl5n4svf8spv@4ax.com>,
>>> >> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> >On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 14:03:42 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
>>> >>> >wrote:
>>> >>> >>Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>So you are against the police and law and order?
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>No, and neither is Harris and Walz, Trump doesn't get to claim
>>> >>> >>ownership of that while *he* is the one having multiple felony
>>> >>> >>cases against him.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >Harris, as a prosecutor, took on everybody from transnational
>gangs
>>> >>> >to the big banks.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >Trump is scared shitless of her.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >Several Republicans spoke at the DNC.
>>> >>> >Jeff Duncan, former Georgia Lieutenant Governor "I am a
>>> >>> >Republican, but today I stand here as an American." "We had
>armed
>>> >>> >officers outside our house protecting us from OTHER REPUBLICANS."
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> And people can't see what's before their very eyes, yes, they keep
>>> >>> defending Trump.
>>> >>
>>> >> I watched for the last 3 days what's about to come. It's scary.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> DNC = TRUMP
>>> >
>>> > It's frightening.
>>> > And notice how the demons attack Trump's character, personality,
>age,
>>> > etc, Anything but talking about Trump's "failed policies". That's
>>> > because they can't.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How did Trump's "and Mexico will pay for it"
>>> policy work out?
>>>
>>>
>>> How did Trump's "I will eliminate the entire
>>> national debt" work out?
>>>
>>>
>>> How did Trump's "I will only appoint the best
>>> and the brightest" work out?
>>
>> Maybe if the left didn't stand in his way the whole time.
>>
>
>
> The entire first half of Trump's term
>was spent with his party controlling THE
>ENTIRE GOVERNMENT.
>
> Where were the balanced budgets?
>
> Where was the "big beautiful wall"?
>
> Where was the "reduced government spending"?

Isn't it funny how, when they control the West Wing and both Houses, everything
is still all the Democrats' fault?

I say again, if the Democrats are THAT competent, THEY'RE who we need running
the government. Who needs a bunch of whiny, incompetent Republicans?

For example:
"When they said it would take 11 months to reopen the port of Baltimore, we got
it done in 11 weeks." -- Wes Moore, Governor of Maryland

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On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 21:11:45 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>> Do you always respond to yourself?
>
>He does.
>Especially when snit mixes up a bad batch of jenkem.
>He really goes off the rails when that happens.
>
>--
>pothead
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>Ask snit how he pissed on his cat.
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>https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html
>https://web.archive.org/web/20190529062255/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitLieMethods.html

And yet somehow, we're supposed to believe that you DON'T consider Snit a major
troll.

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On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 00:33:59 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Snit is a very sick person.

....said the pot to the kettle.

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On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 10:48:53 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>In article <2ogecjl0pg5pef5vh5i08hc4551e65c7mk@4ax.com>,
>>joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>>> Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>But it's not that simple, if the police investigate the claim, and
>>> >>find it false, the person won't have their gun taken. The question
>>> >>boils down to whether you trust the police to do this. If not them,
>>> >>who? This "due process" BS is just a way of saying everyone should
>>> >>have guns, even violent people.
>>> >
>>> >No, it's not. We do not and should not have the power to go around arbitrarily
>>> >relieving people of their property. No matter what due process is decided on,
>>> >it must be followed. We are a nation of laws.
>>>
>>> If we were talking about something that isn't a lethal weapon, I'd be
>>> more willing to talk about "due process", we need to start acting like
>>> guns are what they are, instruments of human death. Are there valid
>>> uses of guns, yes, including self-defense, but someone the police are
>>> willing to assert is dangerous shouldn't possess them, even for a
>>> little while. If we can't trust the police to judge this, at least
>>> initially (there is always time to adjudicate), then we're just
>>> enabling monsters to commit violent crime.
>>
>>But your ilk doesn't like the police.
>
>
>Says who? I treat the police with respect, I wouldn't want their job,
>I appreciate that they do it. There are bad apples, but I think most
>are fine people.

Gotta love how everybody that isn't them is the 'other' and those 'others' are
all the same.

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On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 13:29:42 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>But it's not that simple, if the police investigate the claim, and
>>>>>find it false, the person won't have their gun taken. The question
>>>>>boils down to whether you trust the police to do this. If not them,
>>>>>who? This "due process" BS is just a way of saying everyone should
>>>>>have guns, even violent people.
>>>>
>>>>No, it's not. We do not and should not have the power to go around arbitrarily
>>>>relieving people of their property. No matter what due process is decided on,
>>>>it must be followed. We are a nation of laws.
>>>
>>>If we were talking about something that isn't a lethal weapon, I'd be
>>>more willing to talk about "due process", we need to start acting like
>>>guns are what they are, instruments of human death. Are there valid
>>>uses of guns, yes, including self-defense, but someone the police are
>>>willing to assert is dangerous shouldn't possess them, even for a
>>>little while. If we can't trust the police to judge this, at least
>>>initially (there is always time to adjudicate), then we're just
>>>enabling monsters to commit violent crime.
>>
>>I understand and empathize with your position but I find it rather extreme. The
>>fifth and fourteenth amendments apply. Due process, sorry.
>
>
>You have to realize that guns are not "property" in the same manner
>that a couch is, or something, they're tools of death, they're
>regulated.

I do realize that.

> "Due process" really could mean the police making a
>judgment, at least initially.

If that is the due process the law specifies, that's fine with me.

"Keep your legions intact. They're what makes the law legal."
-- Rex Harrison as Julius Caesar in "Cleopatra" Fox, 1963
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On 22 Aug 2024 23:32:44 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Aug 22, 2024 at 4:27:56?PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
><66c7c97d$0$2385540$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> In article <66c7c65d$1$1427964$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 1:30:20 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>> <66c79fdd$0$3068685$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>
>>>> In article <66c784ba$1$5651$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 10:29:42 AM MST, "Joel" wrote
>>>>> <k8tecjt24kh23eg19blqsuoi8aoe5h835u@4ax.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But it's not that simple, if the police investigate the claim, and
>>>>>>>>>> find it false, the person won't have their gun taken. The question
>>>>>>>>>> boils down to whether you trust the police to do this. If not them,
>>>>>>>>>> who? This "due process" BS is just a way of saying everyone should
>>>>>>>>>> have guns, even violent people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, it's not. We do not and should not have the power to go around arbitrarily
>>>>>>>>> relieving people of their property. No matter what due process is decided on,
>>>>>>>>> it must be followed. We are a nation of laws.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If we were talking about something that isn't a lethal weapon, I'd be
>>>>>>>> more willing to talk about "due process", we need to start acting like
>>>>>>>> guns are what they are, instruments of human death. Are there valid
>>>>>>>> uses of guns, yes, including self-defense, but someone the police are
>>>>>>>> willing to assert is dangerous shouldn't possess them, even for a
>>>>>>>> little while. If we can't trust the police to judge this, at least
>>>>>>>> initially (there is always time to adjudicate), then we're just
>>>>>>>> enabling monsters to commit violent crime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand and empathize with your position but I find it rather extreme.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> fifth and fourteenth amendments apply. Due process, sorry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have to realize that guns are not "property" in the same manner
>>>>>> that a couch is, or something, they're tools of death, they're
>>>>>> regulated. "Due process" really could mean the police making a
>>>>>> judgment, at least initially.
>>>>>
>>>>> "A well regulated militia".
>>>>
>>>> Meaning the people.
>>>
>>> How are the people "well regulated"?
>>
>> Fuck with us and find out.
>
>Good for you to admit that contrary to your many claims I have never "fucked"
>with you.

I adore this fantasy they have that a few million of them, scattered all across
the country can prevail against the United States government.

It didn't work when they had their own country and it won't work now.

VOTE! Because if you're not at the table, you're on the menu.
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On 22 Aug 2024 23:41:41 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Aug 22, 2024 at 4:39:34?PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
><66c7cc38$0$1895503$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> In article <66c7ca9c$4$2385533$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 4:27:56 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>> <66c7c97d$0$2385540$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>
>>>> In article <66c7c65d$1$1427964$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 1:30:20 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>>> <66c79fdd$0$3068685$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <66c784ba$1$5651$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 10:29:42 AM MST, "Joel" wrote
>>>>>>> <k8tecjt24kh23eg19blqsuoi8aoe5h835u@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But it's not that simple, if the police investigate the claim, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> find it false, the person won't have their gun taken. The question
>>>>>>>>>>>> boils down to whether you trust the police to do this. If not them,
>>>>>>>>>>>> who? This "due process" BS is just a way of saying everyone should
>>>>>>>>>>>> have guns, even violent people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, it's not. We do not and should not have the power to go around arbitrarily
>>>>>>>>>>> relieving people of their property. No matter what due process is decided on,
>>>>>>>>>>> it must be followed. We are a nation of laws.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If we were talking about something that isn't a lethal weapon, I'd be
>>>>>>>>>> more willing to talk about "due process", we need to start acting like
>>>>>>>>>> guns are what they are, instruments of human death. Are there valid
>>>>>>>>>> uses of guns, yes, including self-defense, but someone the police are
>>>>>>>>>> willing to assert is dangerous shouldn't possess them, even for a
>>>>>>>>>> little while. If we can't trust the police to judge this, at least
>>>>>>>>>> initially (there is always time to adjudicate), then we're just
>>>>>>>>>> enabling monsters to commit violent crime.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I understand and empathize with your position but I find it rather extreme.
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> fifth and fourteenth amendments apply. Due process, sorry.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have to realize that guns are not "property" in the same manner
>>>>>>>> that a couch is, or something, they're tools of death, they're
>>>>>>>> regulated. "Due process" really could mean the police making a
>>>>>>>> judgment, at least initially.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "A well regulated militia".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meaning the people.
>>>>>
>>>>> How are the people "well regulated"?
>>>>
>>>> Fuck with us and find out.
>>>
>>> Good for you to admit that contrary to your many claims I have never "fucked"
>>> with you.
>>
>> Huh?

A word Skeeter uses much too often.

>You admitted I never have...

Maybe you should?

DNC update: Lt Governor MN, Peggy Flanagan: "The Biden Harris Administration
laid the groundwork for a stronger more resilient nation. They invested in
critical infrastructure, delivered relief when disaster struck and made
healthcare more affordable. Kamala Harris cares and unlike Donald Trump she has
a plan not just for the next four or eight years but for generations to come."
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#NEVERtrump

On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 13:35:50 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>Go fuck yourself[, Klaus], boomer cracker asshole, psychotic gun owner, retard.
>>>You are a mistake of evolution, the self-evidence of white
>>>supremacy-ism's lie. You're the spawn of the devil.
>>
>>I just don't understand why people don't like you.
>
>
>It's OK to hate me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNImT0OqcI8), but
>I'm still necessary, to keep the world running well.

I've said often that lies are all they have.

I stand corrected. They also have hate.

My friends, are we, the People, going to let Donald Trump terminate our
Constitution and obliterate the blessings of liberty for our posterity? [crowd,
"NO!"] That's right! We're going to elect Kamala Harris, we're going to elect
the career prosecutor and inspiring public servant and Coach Walz; and we're
going to defeat Donald Trump the career criminal and incorrigible recidivist con
man and his pet chameleon JD Vance! And America, let's make it a landslide so
big that Donald Trump and his kangaroo Supreme Court Justices cannot even try to
steal it. Let's make every vote count. Let's make sure every vote is counted.
Let's let Freedom ring and let's let democracy work in America. -- Jamie Raskin
(D) MD
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In article <jdtfcjhl70fcnj8rdm11a1qt01848sadqq@4ax.com>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>
> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 22, 2024 at 11:50:43?AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> ><va81r1$hpqt$12@dont-email.me>:
> >> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:66c772d3$0$1787$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 10:15:38?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >>> <66c77230$0$1785$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>> In article <66c77026$0$5651$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Leave it to a right winger to know how to cheat.
> >>>>
> >>>> Leave it to a lefty loon to think it can't happen.
> >>>
> >>> Cite someone who said that.
> >>
> >> Joel
> >
> >Message ID?
>
>
> He wants me to prove a negative. :)

You have never said what rights will be taken from you.

In article <66c7f7f5$0$2385538$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:37:32 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
> <jdtfcjhl70fcnj8rdm11a1qt01848sadqq@4ax.com>:
>
> > Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Aug 22, 2024 at 11:50:43?AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> >> <va81r1$hpqt$12@dont-email.me>:
> >>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:66c772d3$0$1787$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 10:15:38?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >>>> <66c77230$0$1785$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>>> In article <66c77026$0$5651$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Leave it to a right winger to know how to cheat.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Leave it to a lefty loon to think it can't happen.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cite someone who said that.
> >>>
> >>> Joel
> >>
> >> Message ID?
> >
> >
> > He wants me to prove a negative. :)
>
> His grasp on logic is clearly very weak.

I know you are a lying idiot.

In article <rj2gcjlub21v5vsrsiaa32csn2ajks9tfu@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
> On 22 Aug 2024 16:43:19 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Aug 22, 2024 at 8:30:33?AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> ><66c7599a$0$3068695$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >
> >> In article <66c74a0c$0$1428140$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 2:31:29 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >>> <66c70572$0$2873008$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> In article <66c6a0ab$0$3620714$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 21, 2024 at 7:04:58 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
> >>>>> <h17dcj518cvrmd0eps0b1p5kkkfbt93e1h@4ax.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>> news:66c6648d$0$1895508$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>>> In article <50eccj1fpek2tlb8dmd3t404caoq7ab61n@4ax.com>,
> >>>>>>>> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Your analysis is valid, I believe. Trump has to be able to overcome
> >>>>>>>>> the larger base we have, as 2020 showed,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You mean the fake ballots?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What fake ballots?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Trump claimed that the massive use of mail-in ballots opened it up to
> >>>>>> fraud, but that right there shows how he operates and thinks, he says
> >>>>>> things that are stupid and ridiculous *but* that people will believe,
> >>>>>> if he says it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is also insane given how much of the military votes by mail.
> >>>>
> >>>> The military is a very small portion of the vote.
> >>>
> >>> And thus does not matter to Trump?
> >>
> >> Who said that? Oh you did.
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> He creates a false narrative, on all kinds of things,
> >>>>>> when it serves his purposes. And dumbshit Skeeter, here, eats it up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As does Carroll. He just repeats what Fox and Trump and the like says and
> >>>>> shows no understanding.
> >>>>
> >>>> What makes you think your sources are telling thee truth?
> >>>
> >>> I think it is extremely unlikely that multiple sources are using the same deep
> >>> fakes when they show Trump and NOBODY catches them.
> >>
> >> That didn't answer the question.
>
> Any Republican allegation is, in fact, a confession.
>
> >For people with brains it did.
>
> When the same fake appears in place after place, the lie is easily exposed.
>
> The right often accuses the left of cooperatively spreading disinformation
> despite all evidence to the contrary.
>
> Any Republican allegation is, in fact, a confession.
>
> Example: Some schmuck posted in here that Engeron had repeatedly molested his
> daughter. Intensively searching with multiple engines turned up only three
> mentions online.
>
> 1) A Gateway Pundit article without cites or sources.
> 2) The same article posted word for word to Twitter but *not* attributed to GP.
> 3) Another Twitter account posting a reworded version of the article citing GP
> as the source.
>
> Stumbled onto this:
> "Who is Arthur Engoron? Judge weighing future of Donald Trump empire is Ivy
> League-educated ex-cabbie"
> <https://apnews.com/article/trump-engoron-letitia-james-fraud-new-york-9bd42690d327f6f63c9eb31c046f8426>
>
> I find it fascinating that Trump's judge was working class.

and crooked.

In article <gh3gcjdkb9f1n2lvhq3dkeck7kcjhbc5hk@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:16:45 -0600, Chips Loral <loralandclinton@invalid.co>
> wrote:
>
> >Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/04/politics/trump-mail-in-early-
> >> voting/index.html
> >
> >"The new effort, dubbed ?Swamp The Vote USA,? comes as Republican
> >officials ramp up calls for their voter base to embrace early voting and
> >vote by mail options ahead of November?s election. The new initiative is
> >part of ?Trump Force 47,? which is sponsored by the Republican National
> >Committee and is focused on turning out voters in battleground states.
> >
> >?Republicans must win and we will use every appropriate tool to beat the
> >Democrats because they are destroying our country. Whether you vote
> >absentee, by mail, early in-person or on election day, we are going to
> >protect the vote. We make sure your ballot is secure and your voice is
> >heard,? Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, said in
> >a statement Tuesday."
> >
> >
> >Hoist by your own ballot box, leftard cornholer, LOL!
>
> I anticipate multiple reports of large numbers of fraudulent Trump votes after
> November, 5.

Why would the democrats vote for Trump?

In article <66c811e1$0$5668$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Aug 22, 2024 at 9:23:48 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
> <3l3gcj1mb07s3dqmdtc1r524n5okdlbknm@4ax.com>:
>
> > On 22 Aug 2024 17:06:47 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> > <snip>
> >> Leave it to a right winger to know how to cheat.
> >
> >
> > +1
> >
> > --
> > #NEVERtrump
>
> I sometimes wonder if they know what they reveal with their comments.

The truth while you run from it.