<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>

Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
systems starting with next month's security update.

The announcement was made in a new message added to the company's
Microsoft 365 Admin Center, tagged MC976059, and it applies to Microsoft
365 apps users.

As Redmond explains, the new Outlook app will be installed on Windows 10
devices for users who deploy the optional January 28 update and force
installed for all who install the February 11 security update.

The new Outlook client will run alongside the classic Outlook app and
will not modify configurations or user defaults. Microsoft added that
there's no way to block it from being installed on Windows 10 devices;
however, those who don't want it can remove it afterward.

"New Outlook exists as an installed app on the device. For instance, it
can be found in the Apps section of the Start Menu. It does not replace
existing (classic) Outlook or change any configurations / user defaults.
Both (classic) Outlook and New Outlook for Windows can run side by
side," Microsoft says.

"Currently, there isn't a way to block the new Outlook from being
installed - if you prefer not to have new Outlook show up on your
organization's devices, you can remove it after it's installed as part
of the update," the company added in a support document updated on Thursday.

New Outlook user interface
New Outlook user interface (Microsoft)
To remove the new Outlook app package after it's force installed on your
Windows device, you can use the Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage cmdlet
with the PackageName parameter value Microsoft.OutlookForWindows.

This can be done by running the following command from a Windows
PowerShell prompt and adding a new reg value:

PowerShell: Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -AllUsers -Online -PackageName
(Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.OutlookForWindows).PackageFullName

REG VALUE:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\Orchestrator\UScheduler_Oobe\OutlookUpdate
Next, add a REG_SZ registry setting named BlockedOobeUpdaters with a
value of ["MS_Outlook"]. After removing the Outlook package, Windows
Updates will not reinstall the new Outlook client.

The first preview version of the new Outlook for Windows was introduced
in May 2022. The app was generally available for personal accounts in
September 2023 (via the September 26 Windows fall update and the
Microsoft Store on Windows 11) and for commercial customers in August 2024.

--
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Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

On 1/10/2025 12:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
>
> Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
> systems starting with next month's security update.

Another nothing burger.

Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
forces on you.

CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

><https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
>
>Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
>systems starting with next month's security update.
>
>The announcement was made in a new message added to the company's
>Microsoft 365 Admin Center, tagged MC976059, and it applies to Microsoft
>365 apps users.
>
>As Redmond explains, the new Outlook app will be installed on Windows 10
>devices for users who deploy the optional January 28 update and force
>installed for all who install the February 11 security update.
>
>The new Outlook client will run alongside the classic Outlook app and
>will not modify configurations or user defaults. Microsoft added that
>there's no way to block it from being installed on Windows 10 devices;
>however, those who don't want it can remove it afterward.
>
>"New Outlook exists as an installed app on the device. For instance, it
>can be found in the Apps section of the Start Menu. It does not replace
>existing (classic) Outlook or change any configurations / user defaults.
>Both (classic) Outlook and New Outlook for Windows can run side by
>side," Microsoft says.
>
>"Currently, there isn't a way to block the new Outlook from being
>installed - if you prefer not to have new Outlook show up on your
>organization's devices, you can remove it after it's installed as part
>of the update," the company added in a support document updated on Thursday.
>
>New Outlook user interface
>New Outlook user interface (Microsoft)
>To remove the new Outlook app package after it's force installed on your
>Windows device, you can use the Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage cmdlet
>with the PackageName parameter value Microsoft.OutlookForWindows.
>
>This can be done by running the following command from a Windows
>PowerShell prompt and adding a new reg value:
>
>PowerShell: Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -AllUsers -Online -PackageName
>(Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.OutlookForWindows).PackageFullName
>
>REG VALUE:
>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\Orchestrator\UScheduler_Oobe\OutlookUpdate
>Next, add a REG_SZ registry setting named BlockedOobeUpdaters with a
>value of ["MS_Outlook"]. After removing the Outlook package, Windows
>Updates will not reinstall the new Outlook client.
>
>The first preview version of the new Outlook for Windows was introduced
>in May 2022. The app was generally available for personal accounts in
>September 2023 (via the September 26 Windows fall update and the
>Microsoft Store on Windows 11) and for commercial customers in August 2024.

It's a good app, I'm doing well with Thunderbird, since I'm not
running Windows, though.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2025-01-10 12:43, DFS wrote:
> On 1/10/2025 12:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-
>> install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
>>
>> Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows
>> 10 systems starting with next month's security update.
>
> Another nothing burger.
>
> Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
> forces on you.

Once again, you miss the point: your operating system does not care what
you want or don't want because your computer doesn't belong to you.

--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 12:43:14 -0500, DFS wrote:

> On 1/10/2025 12:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-
install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
>>
>> Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
>> systems starting with next month's security update.
>
> Another nothing burger.
>
> Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
> forces on you.

You can pick and choose during the installation. I'll admit I go for the
default and get stuff like LibreOffice that I may never use on my personal
machines but I'm lazy.

rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 12:43:14 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 1/10/2025 12:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-
> install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
>>>
>>> Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
>>> systems starting with next month's security update.
>>
>> Another nothing burger.
>>
>> Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
>> forces on you.
>
> You can pick and choose during the installation. I'll admit I go for the
> default and get stuff like LibreOffice that I may never use on my personal
> machines but I'm lazy.

I like DFS using the word "deluge", when the disk space of this "deluge"
is far smaller than getting the same kinds of apps on Windows.

Big offenders: Microsoft Office and Visual Studio. Windows itself.

--
* joeyh cvs commits his home directory. Aaaaaa
<drow> eeeeeeek
<drow> joeyh: That is simply evil. Period.

On 2025-01-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
><https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
>
> Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
> systems starting with next month's security update.
>
> The announcement was made in a new message added to the company's
> Microsoft 365 Admin Center, tagged MC976059, and it applies to Microsoft
> 365 apps users.
>
> As Redmond explains, the new Outlook app will be installed on Windows 10
> devices for users who deploy the optional January 28 update and force
> installed for all who install the February 11 security update.
>
> The new Outlook client will run alongside the classic Outlook app and
> will not modify configurations or user defaults. Microsoft added that
> there's no way to block it from being installed on Windows 10 devices;
> however, those who don't want it can remove it afterward.
>
> "New Outlook exists as an installed app on the device. For instance, it
> can be found in the Apps section of the Start Menu. It does not replace
> existing (classic) Outlook or change any configurations / user defaults.
> Both (classic) Outlook and New Outlook for Windows can run side by
> side," Microsoft says.
>
> "Currently, there isn't a way to block the new Outlook from being
> installed - if you prefer not to have new Outlook show up on your
> organization's devices, you can remove it after it's installed as part
> of the update," the company added in a support document updated on Thursday.
>
> New Outlook user interface
> New Outlook user interface (Microsoft)
> To remove the new Outlook app package after it's force installed on your
> Windows device, you can use the Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage cmdlet
> with the PackageName parameter value Microsoft.OutlookForWindows.
>
> This can be done by running the following command from a Windows
> PowerShell prompt and adding a new reg value:
>
> PowerShell: Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -AllUsers -Online -PackageName
> (Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.OutlookForWindows).PackageFullName
>
> REG VALUE:
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\Orchestrator\UScheduler_Oobe\OutlookUpdate
> Next, add a REG_SZ registry setting named BlockedOobeUpdaters with a
> value of ["MS_Outlook"]. After removing the Outlook package, Windows
> Updates will not reinstall the new Outlook client.
>
> The first preview version of the new Outlook for Windows was introduced
> in May 2022. The app was generally available for personal accounts in
> September 2023 (via the September 26 Windows fall update and the
> Microsoft Store on Windows 11) and for commercial customers in August 2024.

Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2025-01-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-01-10 12:43, DFS wrote:
>> On 1/10/2025 12:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-
>>> install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
>>>
>>> Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows
>>> 10 systems starting with next month's security update.
>>
>> Another nothing burger.
>>
>> Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
>> forces on you.
>
> Once again, you miss the point: your operating system does not care what
> you want or don't want because your computer doesn't belong to you.

What "apps" does Linux "force" on you, DuFuS? I guess you've never heard of
minimal Linux installations?

(Sorry to hijack your post, Crude.)

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2025-01-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 12:43:14 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 1/10/2025 12:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-
> install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
>>>
>>> Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
>>> systems starting with next month's security update.
>>
>> Another nothing burger.
>>
>> Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
>> forces on you.
>
> You can pick and choose during the installation. I'll admit I go for the
> default and get stuff like LibreOffice that I may never use on my personal
> machines but I'm lazy.

Same here. Except when I'm installing Linux on small SSDs (like 8 GBs on my
Wyse Thin Clients).

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2025-01-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

>><https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
>>
>> Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
>> systems starting with next month's security update.
>>
>> The announcement was made in a new message added to the company's
>> Microsoft 365 Admin Center, tagged MC976059, and it applies to Microsoft
>> 365 apps users.
>>
>> As Redmond explains, the new Outlook app will be installed on Windows 10
>> devices for users who deploy the optional January 28 update and force
>> installed for all who install the February 11 security update.
>>
>> The new Outlook client will run alongside the classic Outlook app and
>> will not modify configurations or user defaults. Microsoft added that
>> there's no way to block it from being installed on Windows 10 devices;
>> however, those who don't want it can remove it afterward.
>>
>> "New Outlook exists as an installed app on the device. For instance, it
>> can be found in the Apps section of the Start Menu. It does not replace
>> existing (classic) Outlook or change any configurations / user defaults.
>> Both (classic) Outlook and New Outlook for Windows can run side by
>> side," Microsoft says.
>>
>> "Currently, there isn't a way to block the new Outlook from being
>> installed - if you prefer not to have new Outlook show up on your
>> organization's devices, you can remove it after it's installed as part
>> of the update," the company added in a support document updated on Thursday.
>>
>> New Outlook user interface
>> New Outlook user interface (Microsoft)
>> To remove the new Outlook app package after it's force installed on your
>> Windows device, you can use the Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage cmdlet
>> with the PackageName parameter value Microsoft.OutlookForWindows.
>>
>> This can be done by running the following command from a Windows
>> PowerShell prompt and adding a new reg value:
>>
>> PowerShell: Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -AllUsers -Online -PackageName
>> (Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.OutlookForWindows).PackageFullName
>>
>> REG VALUE:
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\Orchestrator\UScheduler_Oobe\OutlookUpdate
>> Next, add a REG_SZ registry setting named BlockedOobeUpdaters with a
>> value of ["MS_Outlook"]. After removing the Outlook package, Windows
>> Updates will not reinstall the new Outlook client.
>>
>> The first preview version of the new Outlook for Windows was introduced
>> in May 2022. The app was generally available for personal accounts in
>> September 2023 (via the September 26 Windows fall update and the
>> Microsoft Store on Windows 11) and for commercial customers in August 2024.
>
>Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.

I would use it under Win11 in another life, where I wasn't supported
by the OSS community.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2025-01-11 04:27, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-01-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
>>
>> Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
>> systems starting with next month's security update.
>>
>> The announcement was made in a new message added to the company's
>> Microsoft 365 Admin Center, tagged MC976059, and it applies to Microsoft
>> 365 apps users.
>>
>> As Redmond explains, the new Outlook app will be installed on Windows 10
>> devices for users who deploy the optional January 28 update and force
>> installed for all who install the February 11 security update.
>>
>> The new Outlook client will run alongside the classic Outlook app and
>> will not modify configurations or user defaults. Microsoft added that
>> there's no way to block it from being installed on Windows 10 devices;
>> however, those who don't want it can remove it afterward.
>>
>> "New Outlook exists as an installed app on the device. For instance, it
>> can be found in the Apps section of the Start Menu. It does not replace
>> existing (classic) Outlook or change any configurations / user defaults.
>> Both (classic) Outlook and New Outlook for Windows can run side by
>> side," Microsoft says.
>>
>> "Currently, there isn't a way to block the new Outlook from being
>> installed - if you prefer not to have new Outlook show up on your
>> organization's devices, you can remove it after it's installed as part
>> of the update," the company added in a support document updated on Thursday.
>>
>> New Outlook user interface
>> New Outlook user interface (Microsoft)
>> To remove the new Outlook app package after it's force installed on your
>> Windows device, you can use the Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage cmdlet
>> with the PackageName parameter value Microsoft.OutlookForWindows.
>>
>> This can be done by running the following command from a Windows
>> PowerShell prompt and adding a new reg value:
>>
>> PowerShell: Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -AllUsers -Online -PackageName
>> (Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.OutlookForWindows).PackageFullName
>>
>> REG VALUE:
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\Orchestrator\UScheduler_Oobe\OutlookUpdate
>> Next, add a REG_SZ registry setting named BlockedOobeUpdaters with a
>> value of ["MS_Outlook"]. After removing the Outlook package, Windows
>> Updates will not reinstall the new Outlook client.
>>
>> The first preview version of the new Outlook for Windows was introduced
>> in May 2022. The app was generally available for personal accounts in
>> September 2023 (via the September 26 Windows fall update and the
>> Microsoft Store on Windows 11) and for commercial customers in August 2024.
>
> Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.

If you use a Microsoft account, the new Outlook is light enough to be
fun to use. It's a lot less clunky than the older Outlook application
albeit not as functional. Still, I would rather these people actually
give me a choice as to whether I have the program on my computer or not.
I quite like how I can remove anything and everything from a Linux
installation.

--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

On 2025-01-11 04:30, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-01-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-01-10 12:43, DFS wrote:
>>> On 1/10/2025 12:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-
>>>> install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows
>>>> 10 systems starting with next month's security update.
>>>
>>> Another nothing burger.
>>>
>>> Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
>>> forces on you.
>>
>> Once again, you miss the point: your operating system does not care what
>> you want or don't want because your computer doesn't belong to you.
>
> What "apps" does Linux "force" on you, DuFuS? I guess you've never heard of
> minimal Linux installations?
>
> (Sorry to hijack your post, Crude.)

Yeah, I don't think that he's experienced minimal installations that
every distribution including Ubuntu allows nowadays. A default install
obviously puts what it believes will be necessary apps for the user.
However, nowadays they are aware that you might prefer Dragon Player
over VLC or Brave over Firefox so they offer you a blank slate to work
with.

--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

On 2025-01-11 04:32, Joel wrote:
> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2025-01-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>
>>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
>>>
>>> Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
>>> systems starting with next month's security update.
>>>
>>> The announcement was made in a new message added to the company's
>>> Microsoft 365 Admin Center, tagged MC976059, and it applies to Microsoft
>>> 365 apps users.
>>>
>>> As Redmond explains, the new Outlook app will be installed on Windows 10
>>> devices for users who deploy the optional January 28 update and force
>>> installed for all who install the February 11 security update.
>>>
>>> The new Outlook client will run alongside the classic Outlook app and
>>> will not modify configurations or user defaults. Microsoft added that
>>> there's no way to block it from being installed on Windows 10 devices;
>>> however, those who don't want it can remove it afterward.
>>>
>>> "New Outlook exists as an installed app on the device. For instance, it
>>> can be found in the Apps section of the Start Menu. It does not replace
>>> existing (classic) Outlook or change any configurations / user defaults.
>>> Both (classic) Outlook and New Outlook for Windows can run side by
>>> side," Microsoft says.
>>>
>>> "Currently, there isn't a way to block the new Outlook from being
>>> installed - if you prefer not to have new Outlook show up on your
>>> organization's devices, you can remove it after it's installed as part
>>> of the update," the company added in a support document updated on Thursday.
>>>
>>> New Outlook user interface
>>> New Outlook user interface (Microsoft)
>>> To remove the new Outlook app package after it's force installed on your
>>> Windows device, you can use the Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage cmdlet
>>> with the PackageName parameter value Microsoft.OutlookForWindows.
>>>
>>> This can be done by running the following command from a Windows
>>> PowerShell prompt and adding a new reg value:
>>>
>>> PowerShell: Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -AllUsers -Online -PackageName
>>> (Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.OutlookForWindows).PackageFullName
>>>
>>> REG VALUE:
>>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\Orchestrator\UScheduler_Oobe\OutlookUpdate
>>> Next, add a REG_SZ registry setting named BlockedOobeUpdaters with a
>>> value of ["MS_Outlook"]. After removing the Outlook package, Windows
>>> Updates will not reinstall the new Outlook client.
>>>
>>> The first preview version of the new Outlook for Windows was introduced
>>> in May 2022. The app was generally available for personal accounts in
>>> September 2023 (via the September 26 Windows fall update and the
>>> Microsoft Store on Windows 11) and for commercial customers in August 2024.
>>
>> Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.
>
>
> I would use it under Win11 in another life, where I wasn't supported
> by the OSS community.

In my case, I won't use it again unless there is an assurance that the
fTPM problem I mentioned weeks ago was fixed. However, I have to admit
that even if I were to install it once more, the reality is that I spend
most of my time cleaning Windows and checking for corruption in the
system files. The damned operating system breaks so often that I find it
necessary to run sfc periodically just to be sure that I won't suddenly
experience a bizarre slowdown or components not working as they should.

--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 09:27:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.

I use the Outlook web interface for the company email when at home. At
work I can directly access the mail server with Thunderbird.

On 2025-01-11 15:11, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 09:27:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.
>
> I use the Outlook web interface for the company email when at home. At
> work I can directly access the mail server with Thunderbird.

I made the mistake of setting up my work e-mail in Thunderbird in the
past. By accident, you'll end up sending more than one message with the
wrong e-mail adress.

--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

On 2025-01-11, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-01-11 04:27, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-01-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
>>>
>>> Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
>>> systems starting with next month's security update.
>>>
>>> The announcement was made in a new message added to the company's
>>> Microsoft 365 Admin Center, tagged MC976059, and it applies to Microsoft
>>> 365 apps users.
>>>
>>> As Redmond explains, the new Outlook app will be installed on Windows 10
>>> devices for users who deploy the optional January 28 update and force
>>> installed for all who install the February 11 security update.
>>>
>>> The new Outlook client will run alongside the classic Outlook app and
>>> will not modify configurations or user defaults. Microsoft added that
>>> there's no way to block it from being installed on Windows 10 devices;
>>> however, those who don't want it can remove it afterward.
>>>
>>> "New Outlook exists as an installed app on the device. For instance, it
>>> can be found in the Apps section of the Start Menu. It does not replace
>>> existing (classic) Outlook or change any configurations / user defaults.
>>> Both (classic) Outlook and New Outlook for Windows can run side by
>>> side," Microsoft says.
>>>
>>> "Currently, there isn't a way to block the new Outlook from being
>>> installed - if you prefer not to have new Outlook show up on your
>>> organization's devices, you can remove it after it's installed as part
>>> of the update," the company added in a support document updated on Thursday.
>>>
>>> New Outlook user interface
>>> New Outlook user interface (Microsoft)
>>> To remove the new Outlook app package after it's force installed on your
>>> Windows device, you can use the Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage cmdlet
>>> with the PackageName parameter value Microsoft.OutlookForWindows.
>>>
>>> This can be done by running the following command from a Windows
>>> PowerShell prompt and adding a new reg value:
>>>
>>> PowerShell: Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -AllUsers -Online -PackageName
>>> (Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.OutlookForWindows).PackageFullName
>>>
>>> REG VALUE:
>>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\Orchestrator\UScheduler_Oobe\OutlookUpdate
>>> Next, add a REG_SZ registry setting named BlockedOobeUpdaters with a
>>> value of ["MS_Outlook"]. After removing the Outlook package, Windows
>>> Updates will not reinstall the new Outlook client.
>>>
>>> The first preview version of the new Outlook for Windows was introduced
>>> in May 2022. The app was generally available for personal accounts in
>>> September 2023 (via the September 26 Windows fall update and the
>>> Microsoft Store on Windows 11) and for commercial customers in August 2024.
>>
>> Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.
>
> If you use a Microsoft account, the new Outlook is light enough to be
> fun to use. It's a lot less clunky than the older Outlook application
> albeit not as functional. Still, I would rather these people actually
> give me a choice as to whether I have the program on my computer or not.
> I quite like how I can remove anything and everything from a Linux
> installation.

Light or not light, I have zero interest in Outlook. I never even used it
when I used Windows.

Speaking of Windows... my son's Windows 10 computer was hosed (probably
because he wouldn't let it update). So we got him an SSD where I was
planning on doing a new install. I thought I was using a Windows 10 USB for
the install, but apparently it was Windows 11 from 2022. At any rate it
installed and updated, but threw an error (can't update).

TPC 2.0 wasn't turned on in the BIOS, which was required to get it past a
certain point. So I turned that on, still wouldn't update. So I finally
found out I had to use one of the options on Microsoft's download page to
update it. It got to about 76% (or so) and the update stopped because the
NVMe's firmware wasn't updated(?). Really? The damned firmware not being
updated on the (obviously) working SSD and Windows 11 wouldn't update? Is
this the kind of crap everyone is going to run into when trying to update to
Windows 11 from Windows 10?

Anyhow I downloaded and installed the firmware for the WD Blue SSD (when did
San-disk buy Western Digital?) and hit the "Refresh" button on the install
page. Hit it again... and again... and again... Zero response. So I had to
start the install again. Of course it stopped — again — with the SSD
firmware issue. I realized ah, crap, I'll have to restart the computer.
(Crappy Windows) before it will see the firmware update. It took forever
again, but the update finished with only one more restart... and about
another fifteen minutes of waiting. But, *finally* the update was
complete... wait a minute, Windows immediately started downloading the next
update... so I guess the loop goes on and on.

Windows 11 updates may be better than than Windows 10 ones, but it's still
total crap compared to Linux.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2025-01-11, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 09:27:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.
>
> I use the Outlook web interface for the company email when at home. At
> work I can directly access the mail server with Thunderbird.

I don't have to worry about company email. I guess I did use Outlook at a
few jobs (on company computers).

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2025-01-11, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-01-11 15:11, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 09:27:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>> Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.
>>
>> I use the Outlook web interface for the company email when at home. At
>> work I can directly access the mail server with Thunderbird.
>
> I made the mistake of setting up my work e-mail in Thunderbird in the
> past. By accident, you'll end up sending more than one message with the
> wrong e-mail adress.

I can understand that. That's why I quit using Thunderbird for Newsgroup
posts.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2025-01-12 03:38, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-01-11, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-01-11 04:27, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-01-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
>>>> systems starting with next month's security update.
>>>>
>>>> The announcement was made in a new message added to the company's
>>>> Microsoft 365 Admin Center, tagged MC976059, and it applies to Microsoft
>>>> 365 apps users.
>>>>
>>>> As Redmond explains, the new Outlook app will be installed on Windows 10
>>>> devices for users who deploy the optional January 28 update and force
>>>> installed for all who install the February 11 security update.
>>>>
>>>> The new Outlook client will run alongside the classic Outlook app and
>>>> will not modify configurations or user defaults. Microsoft added that
>>>> there's no way to block it from being installed on Windows 10 devices;
>>>> however, those who don't want it can remove it afterward.
>>>>
>>>> "New Outlook exists as an installed app on the device. For instance, it
>>>> can be found in the Apps section of the Start Menu. It does not replace
>>>> existing (classic) Outlook or change any configurations / user defaults.
>>>> Both (classic) Outlook and New Outlook for Windows can run side by
>>>> side," Microsoft says.
>>>>
>>>> "Currently, there isn't a way to block the new Outlook from being
>>>> installed - if you prefer not to have new Outlook show up on your
>>>> organization's devices, you can remove it after it's installed as part
>>>> of the update," the company added in a support document updated on Thursday.
>>>>
>>>> New Outlook user interface
>>>> New Outlook user interface (Microsoft)
>>>> To remove the new Outlook app package after it's force installed on your
>>>> Windows device, you can use the Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage cmdlet
>>>> with the PackageName parameter value Microsoft.OutlookForWindows.
>>>>
>>>> This can be done by running the following command from a Windows
>>>> PowerShell prompt and adding a new reg value:
>>>>
>>>> PowerShell: Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -AllUsers -Online -PackageName
>>>> (Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.OutlookForWindows).PackageFullName
>>>>
>>>> REG VALUE:
>>>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\Orchestrator\UScheduler_Oobe\OutlookUpdate
>>>> Next, add a REG_SZ registry setting named BlockedOobeUpdaters with a
>>>> value of ["MS_Outlook"]. After removing the Outlook package, Windows
>>>> Updates will not reinstall the new Outlook client.
>>>>
>>>> The first preview version of the new Outlook for Windows was introduced
>>>> in May 2022. The app was generally available for personal accounts in
>>>> September 2023 (via the September 26 Windows fall update and the
>>>> Microsoft Store on Windows 11) and for commercial customers in August 2024.
>>>
>>> Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.
>>
>> If you use a Microsoft account, the new Outlook is light enough to be
>> fun to use. It's a lot less clunky than the older Outlook application
>> albeit not as functional. Still, I would rather these people actually
>> give me a choice as to whether I have the program on my computer or not.
>> I quite like how I can remove anything and everything from a Linux
>> installation.
>
> Light or not light, I have zero interest in Outlook. I never even used it
> when I used Windows.
>
> Speaking of Windows... my son's Windows 10 computer was hosed (probably
> because he wouldn't let it update). So we got him an SSD where I was
> planning on doing a new install. I thought I was using a Windows 10 USB for
> the install, but apparently it was Windows 11 from 2022. At any rate it
> installed and updated, but threw an error (can't update).
>
> TPC 2.0 wasn't turned on in the BIOS, which was required to get it past a
> certain point. So I turned that on, still wouldn't update. So I finally
> found out I had to use one of the options on Microsoft's download page to
> update it. It got to about 76% (or so) and the update stopped because the
> NVMe's firmware wasn't updated(?). Really? The damned firmware not being
> updated on the (obviously) working SSD and Windows 11 wouldn't update? Is
> this the kind of crap everyone is going to run into when trying to update to
> Windows 11 from Windows 10?

If the firmware were a problem, the computer should not have even
allowed the SSD to be detected. Either way, you can use a Linux live
environment to either use fwupd or the GUI alternative and update the
firmware before trying again. I notice fwupd is much better than
Microsoft or ASUS's own tools when it comes to updating secure boot.

> Anyhow I downloaded and installed the firmware for the WD Blue SSD (when did
> San-disk buy Western Digital?) and hit the "Refresh" button on the install
> page. Hit it again... and again... and again... Zero response. So I had to
> start the install again. Of course it stopped — again — with the SSD
> firmware issue. I realized ah, crap, I'll have to restart the computer.
> (Crappy Windows) before it will see the firmware update. It took forever
> again, but the update finished with only one more restart... and about
> another fifteen minutes of waiting. But, *finally* the update was
> complete... wait a minute, Windows immediately started downloading the next
> update... so I guess the loop goes on and on.
>
> Windows 11 updates may be better than than Windows 10 ones, but it's still
> total crap compared to Linux.

Well, possibly. However, whenever I update this Fedora installation, it
refuses to restart, I have to force it to shut down and then have to
rebuild the NVIDIA driver. It's annoying, but I can live with what is
essentially a daily frustration.

--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

On 2025-01-12 03:40, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-01-11, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-01-11 15:11, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 09:27:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.
>>>
>>> I use the Outlook web interface for the company email when at home. At
>>> work I can directly access the mail server with Thunderbird.
>>
>> I made the mistake of setting up my work e-mail in Thunderbird in the
>> past. By accident, you'll end up sending more than one message with the
>> wrong e-mail adress.
>
> I can understand that. That's why I quit using Thunderbird for Newsgroup
> posts.

Yet, it is still the best newsgroup client because of its excellent
filtering features. I can filter out Larry Pietraskiewicz without any
effort as a result of it.

--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 12:43:14 -0500, DFS wrote:

> Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
> forces on you.

Have you noticed this happening on your Linux installs? Please tell us.

Or is this something else you read in The Guardian?

On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 12:37:00 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:

> To remove the new Outlook app package after it's force installed on your
> Windows device, you can use the Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage cmdlet
> with the PackageName parameter value Microsoft.OutlookForWindows.
>
> This can be done by running the following command from a Windows
> PowerShell prompt and adding a new reg value:
>
> [Blah blah hoyvin-glayvin blah blah]

This is why they say, Windows is a great OS -- if your time is worth
nothing.

On 2025-01-12, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-01-12 03:38, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-01-11, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-01-11 04:27, RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-01-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
>>>>> systems starting with next month's security update.
>>>>>
>>>>> The announcement was made in a new message added to the company's
>>>>> Microsoft 365 Admin Center, tagged MC976059, and it applies to Microsoft
>>>>> 365 apps users.
>>>>>
>>>>> As Redmond explains, the new Outlook app will be installed on Windows 10
>>>>> devices for users who deploy the optional January 28 update and force
>>>>> installed for all who install the February 11 security update.
>>>>>
>>>>> The new Outlook client will run alongside the classic Outlook app and
>>>>> will not modify configurations or user defaults. Microsoft added that
>>>>> there's no way to block it from being installed on Windows 10 devices;
>>>>> however, those who don't want it can remove it afterward.
>>>>>
>>>>> "New Outlook exists as an installed app on the device. For instance, it
>>>>> can be found in the Apps section of the Start Menu. It does not replace
>>>>> existing (classic) Outlook or change any configurations / user defaults.
>>>>> Both (classic) Outlook and New Outlook for Windows can run side by
>>>>> side," Microsoft says.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Currently, there isn't a way to block the new Outlook from being
>>>>> installed - if you prefer not to have new Outlook show up on your
>>>>> organization's devices, you can remove it after it's installed as part
>>>>> of the update," the company added in a support document updated on Thursday.
>>>>>
>>>>> New Outlook user interface
>>>>> New Outlook user interface (Microsoft)
>>>>> To remove the new Outlook app package after it's force installed on your
>>>>> Windows device, you can use the Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage cmdlet
>>>>> with the PackageName parameter value Microsoft.OutlookForWindows.
>>>>>
>>>>> This can be done by running the following command from a Windows
>>>>> PowerShell prompt and adding a new reg value:
>>>>>
>>>>> PowerShell: Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -AllUsers -Online -PackageName
>>>>> (Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.OutlookForWindows).PackageFullName
>>>>>
>>>>> REG VALUE:
>>>>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\Orchestrator\UScheduler_Oobe\OutlookUpdate
>>>>> Next, add a REG_SZ registry setting named BlockedOobeUpdaters with a
>>>>> value of ["MS_Outlook"]. After removing the Outlook package, Windows
>>>>> Updates will not reinstall the new Outlook client.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first preview version of the new Outlook for Windows was introduced
>>>>> in May 2022. The app was generally available for personal accounts in
>>>>> September 2023 (via the September 26 Windows fall update and the
>>>>> Microsoft Store on Windows 11) and for commercial customers in August 2024.
>>>>
>>>> Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.
>>>
>>> If you use a Microsoft account, the new Outlook is light enough to be
>>> fun to use. It's a lot less clunky than the older Outlook application
>>> albeit not as functional. Still, I would rather these people actually
>>> give me a choice as to whether I have the program on my computer or not.
>>> I quite like how I can remove anything and everything from a Linux
>>> installation.
>>
>> Light or not light, I have zero interest in Outlook. I never even used it
>> when I used Windows.
>>
>> Speaking of Windows... my son's Windows 10 computer was hosed (probably
>> because he wouldn't let it update). So we got him an SSD where I was
>> planning on doing a new install. I thought I was using a Windows 10 USB for
>> the install, but apparently it was Windows 11 from 2022. At any rate it
>> installed and updated, but threw an error (can't update).
>>
>> TPC 2.0 wasn't turned on in the BIOS, which was required to get it past a
>> certain point. So I turned that on, still wouldn't update. So I finally
>> found out I had to use one of the options on Microsoft's download page to
>> update it. It got to about 76% (or so) and the update stopped because the
>> NVMe's firmware wasn't updated(?). Really? The damned firmware not being
>> updated on the (obviously) working SSD and Windows 11 wouldn't update? Is
>> this the kind of crap everyone is going to run into when trying to update to
>> Windows 11 from Windows 10?
>
> If the firmware were a problem, the computer should not have even
> allowed the SSD to be detected. Either way, you can use a Linux live
> environment to either use fwupd or the GUI alternative and update the
> firmware before trying again. I notice fwupd is much better than
> Microsoft or ASUS's own tools when it comes to updating secure boot.

I totally agree. And why doesn't Windows check all the requirements BEFORE it
spends an hour or an hour and a half "installing." How stupid are these
people? I had no idea TPM was shut in the BIOS. I forgot to mention that,
since we couldn't fix the issues with Windows 10 on the hard drive, I had to
buy another license for Windows 11, so now the the same computer has two
licenses. I just found out that a different son has been using an
"unactivated" Windows install since he replaced his motherboard. Fortunately
you can pick up these license keys on eBay for about $5 to $10 (and I don't
feel bad at all about it). I think it's stupid to have to re-license a
computer that's already licensed.

Just more reasons to hate hobbyware Windows.

>> Anyhow I downloaded and installed the firmware for the WD Blue SSD (when did
>> San-disk buy Western Digital?) and hit the "Refresh" button on the install
>> page. Hit it again... and again... and again... Zero response. So I had to
>> start the install again. Of course it stopped — again — with the SSD
>> firmware issue. I realized ah, crap, I'll have to restart the computer.
>> (Crappy Windows) before it will see the firmware update. It took forever
>> again, but the update finished with only one more restart... and about
>> another fifteen minutes of waiting. But, *finally* the update was
>> complete... wait a minute, Windows immediately started downloading the next
>> update... so I guess the loop goes on and on.
>>
>> Windows 11 updates may be better than than Windows 10 ones, but it's still
>> total crap compared to Linux.
>
> Well, possibly. However, whenever I update this Fedora installation, it
> refuses to restart, I have to force it to shut down and then have to
> rebuild the NVIDIA driver. It's annoying, but I can live with what is
> essentially a daily frustration.

I haven't had these kinds of problems with Fedora (or Linux Mint) but I have
simple machines — as mentioned many times. If Fedora gives you that trouble
every time you update it, I would only update it every other week or so.
Maybe every third week.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2025-01-12, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-01-12 03:40, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-01-11, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-01-11 15:11, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 09:27:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.
>>>>
>>>> I use the Outlook web interface for the company email when at home. At
>>>> work I can directly access the mail server with Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> I made the mistake of setting up my work e-mail in Thunderbird in the
>>> past. By accident, you'll end up sending more than one message with the
>>> wrong e-mail adress.
>>
>> I can understand that. That's why I quit using Thunderbird for Newsgroup
>> posts.
>
> Yet, it is still the best newsgroup client because of its excellent
> filtering features. I can filter out Larry Pietraskiewicz without any
> effort as a result of it.

I do that in slrn as well. At least I don't think I see him (or his nyms). I
only see about ten posters, total, here. And no crossposts at all.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2025-01-12, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 12:43:14 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
>> forces on you.
>
> Have you noticed this happening on your Linux installs? Please tell us.
>
> Or is this something else you read in The Guardian?

Yeah (to DuFuS), I've never noticed them because they are NOT forced on me.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien