Today I began assembling my new GNU/Linux machine. Inserting the
Xeon W-1270P and 32Gb of ECC memory was, of course, no problem.

However, the heat sink was a fucking bitch.

The Intel heat sink, based on a heat pipe design, is more than adequate
to dissipate the 125 Watts across a mere 1 inch square CPU.

But the attachment is the problem.

Four screws attach the heat sink to the MB and each screw is located directly
beneath the heat sink vanes. There is no fucking way to get a Phillips head
screwdriver into position.

Well, Intel does provide "tunnels" through the vanes to accommodate a screwdriver
but an 8-inch screwdriver shaft would be needed. The best I have is a shaft of about
4 inches.

I ain't about to purchase a screwdriver with an 8-inch shaft.

I have 1/4" screwdriver sockets with a 12-inch shaft but those will not fit through
the heat sink "tunnels."

So I have to take my Phillips screwdriver with a 4-inch shaft and angle it about
30 degrees and then provide additional force to tighten the screws. It works but
it is not the ideal solution.

Why can't these assholes inform the buyer that special tools may be needed?

Anyway, the worst is over. All I need is a vid card and a power supply and I will
bring it to life.

This will happen in the weeks ahead.

There's no hurry.

Rome was not built in a day.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

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Farley Flud wrote:

>Well, Intel does provide "tunnels" through the vanes to accommodate a screwdriver
>but an 8-inch screwdriver shaft would be needed.

I've never seen an Intel heatsick that large!

>The best I have is a shaft of about 4 inches.

Poor you. 8)

>Anyway, the worst is over. All I need is a vid card and a power supply and I will
>bring it to life.
>
>This will happen in the weeks ahead.
>
>There's no hurry.

I agree it's best to stretch-out the fun (and the frustration). I'm
building a new PC myself, this Winter. I've got everything except the
power supply and heatsink/fan, which are back-ordered. I can borrow
those items from work to play some before they arrive.

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On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:22:44 -0600, chrisv wrote:

>
> I've never seen an Intel heatsick that large!
>

A lot of heat-pipe based heat sinks are even taller.

The problem is that going in at a 30 degree angle risks stripping
the heads of those cheap Chinese screws (they are like butter).

Home Depot/Lowes/Etc. are full of that cheap Chinese hardware.
I've had bolt heads rip off with only moderate tightening.

A master craftsman has no alternative except maybe McMaster-Carr.

The funny thing about this install however is that Intel actually supplied
too much heat sink grease. I expected those cheap bastards to provide
only a small token amount but I actually used only half of what they gave.

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On 2024-12-25, Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:22:44 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>
>>
>> I've never seen an Intel heatsick that large!
>>
>
> A lot of heat-pipe based heat sinks are even taller.
>
> The problem is that going in at a 30 degree angle risks stripping
> the heads of those cheap Chinese screws (they are like butter).
>
> Home Depot/Lowes/Etc. are full of that cheap Chinese hardware.
> I've had bolt heads rip off with only moderate tightening.
>
> A master craftsman has no alternative except maybe McMaster-Carr.
>
> The funny thing about this install however is that Intel actually supplied
> too much heat sink grease. I expected those cheap bastards to provide
> only a small token amount but I actually used only half of what they gave.
>
>
Packaged with the CPU Intel heat sinks are barely adequate.
Do yourself a favor and get something like a Noctua or similar.
They are much better.

As for thermal compound, if it's an Intel CPU, 4 very small dots in each
corner and one in the middle.
Don't spread it.
Install your cooler on top of if and you will be fine.
Make sure all of your clips are tight.
Problem solved.

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On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 02:25:37 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

>>
> Packaged with the CPU Intel heat sinks are barely adequate.
> Do yourself a favor and get something like a Noctua or similar.
> They are much better.
>

This is not a stock Intel heat sink:

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-004C-00093

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pothead wrote:

>As for thermal compound, if it's an Intel CPU, 4 very small dots in each
>corner and one in the middle.
>Don't spread it.
>Install your cooler on top of if and you will be fine.

There's more than one right way to do that, of course. I always press
down and remove, so that I can look to see that there are no voids.

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On 2024-12-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> pothead wrote:
>
>>As for thermal compound, if it's an Intel CPU, 4 very small dots in each
>>corner and one in the middle.
>>Don't spread it.
>>Install your cooler on top of if and you will be fine.
>
> There's more than one right way to do that, of course. I always press
> down and remove, so that I can look to see that there are no voids.
>
Same.
I peek as well :)

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All about the snit troll:

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On 12/25/24 1:22 PM, chrisv wrote:
> Farley Flud wrote:
>
>> Well, Intel does provide "tunnels" through the vanes to accommodate a screwdriver
>> but an 8-inch screwdriver shaft would be needed.
>
> I've never seen an Intel heatsick that large!
>
>> The best I have is a shaft of about 4 inches.
>
> Poor you. 8)
>
>> Anyway, the worst is over. All I need is a vid card and a power supply and I will
>> bring it to life.
>>
>> This will happen in the weeks ahead.
>>
>> There's no hurry.
>
> I agree it's best to stretch-out the fun (and the frustration).

YMMV, depending on what its purpose is ... e.g. work vs hobby.

> I'm building a new PC myself, this Winter. I've got everything except the
> power supply and heatsink/fan, which are back-ordered. I can borrow
> those items from work to play some before they arrive.

I recently deployed a new laptop. Hardware arrived on Tuesday; had the
time on Friday to get it unpacked, up & running all in the margins on a
single day ... quite unlike Feeb's trials & tribulations.

After a week or so to confirm settings & burn-in for infant mortality,
I've now wiped the old one; it'll be shipped back for a small credit.

-hh

On 12/25/2024 11:48 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> Well, Intel does provide "tunnels" through the vanes to accommodate a screwdriver
> but an 8-inch screwdriver shaft would be needed. The best I have is a shaft of about
> 4 inches.
>
> I ain't about to purchase a screwdriver with an 8-inch shaft.

The very long thin ones are a bout a dollar each in harbor freight.

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On 12/25/2024 11:48 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> Rome was not built in a day.
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>

But fell in a day. I'm keen to see if your Xeon works with linux.

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On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 16:21:10 -0500, -hh wrote:

>
> e.g. work vs hobby.
>

Is there a difference?

>
> I recently deployed a new laptop.
>

Computing with a laptop can be likened to experiencing the
world by looking through a soda straw.

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Farley Flud wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 16:21:10 -0500, -hh wrote:
>
>> e.g. work vs hobby.
>
> Is there a difference?
>
>> I recently deployed a new laptop.
>
> Computing with a laptop can be likened to experiencing the
> world by looking through a soda straw.

Depends how many monitors you hook to it.

My old ASUS loptap [sic] had two extras for awhile... one on the HDMI port
and one out of the mini DP port with a VGA adapter.

The mini PC has two HDMI ports; it's nice to not have to devote one of the
monitors to a Corporate laptop.

Take me to the river, that shivery river, get the river ready for me.
I'm gonna drown my troubles, there'll be just some bubbles to indicate
what used to be me!

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And sometimes I live in town.
And sometimes I have a great notion,
To jump in the river and drown.

On 12/27/24 7:50 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Farley Flud wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 16:21:10 -0500, -hh wrote:
>>
>>> e.g. work vs hobby.
>>
>> Is there a difference?
>>
>>> I recently deployed a new laptop.
>>
>> Computing with a laptop can be likened to experiencing the
>> world by looking through a soda straw.
>
> Depends how many monitors you hook to it.

Precisely.

> My old ASUS loptap [sic] had two extras for awhile... one on the HDMI port
> and one out of the mini DP port with a VGA adapter.

Similarly, this laptop can support its built-in display, plus either:
1 external @ 8K/60Hz, or
1 external @ 4K/240Hz, or
2 externals of 6K/60Hz or at 4K/144Hz (including one of each).

That's already as many discrete displays as what Feeb's claiming he's
going to hopefully eventually have, although if I had needed more, I
could have opted for a higher end model, which ~doubles the amount:

Built-in display, plus either:
4 externals of 3 @ 6K/60Hz + 1 @ 4K/144Hz, or
3 externals of 2 @ 6K/60Hz + 1 @ 4K/240Hz, or
3 externals of 2 @ 6K/60Hz + 1 @ 8K/60Hz.

> The mini PC has two HDMI ports; it's nice to not have to devote one
> of the monitors to a Corporate laptop.

Depends on the use case/workflow needs, of course: if one typically
needs just two displays in a desktop setting, then having an allocation
"lost" to a closed laptop screen isn't necessarily a big deal when
built-in +2 externals are supported.

And even in the earlier days when it was +1 external, there were
sometimes workarounds. I can recall a Thinkpad where its workaround was
that the built-in could be mirrored which didn't count as an "extra", so
the solution was for the the laptop to be left open but off to the side;
the desktop was two externals, one of which was a mirror of the
set-aside laptop's built-in that was running but not being watched (if
this description makes sense).

-hh

On 12/27/2024 4:13 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 16:21:10 -0500, -hh wrote:
>
>>
>> e.g. work vs hobby.
>>
>
> Is there a difference?
>
>
>>
>> I recently deployed a new laptop.
>>
>
> Computing with a laptop can be likened to experiencing the
> world by looking through a soda straw.
>
>
>
>
>

Ditto on both, big time :)

I think he's even composing his usenet posts asking AI to give it an
articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.

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Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:

>I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI to give it an
>articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.

Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him. In my case I just
brute-force it.

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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 12/27/2024 2:18 PM, Joel wrote:
> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI to give it an
>> articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.
>
>
> Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him. In my case I just
> brute-force it.
>

For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.

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Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI to give it an
>>> articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.
>>
>> Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him. In my case I just
>> brute-force it.
>
>For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.

He's a grown intellect, lived his life the proper way, developed
himself into a functional adult.

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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 12/27/2024 2:43 PM, Joel wrote:
> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI to give it an
>>>> articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.
>>>
>>> Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him. In my case I just
>>> brute-force it.
>>
>> For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.
>
>
> He's a grown intellect, lived his life the proper way, developed
> himself into a functional adult.
>

So did Biden. Does Biden speak English as well as hh presumably does in
this forum?

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Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI to give it an
>>>>> articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.
>>>>
>>>> Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him. In my case I just
>>>> brute-force it.
>>>
>>> For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.
>>
>> He's a grown intellect, lived his life the proper way, developed
>> himself into a functional adult.
>
>So did Biden. Does Biden speak English as well as hh presumably does in
>this forum?

-hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe, not to disrespect our
outgoing president, he's a great man.

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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 12/27/2024 2:59 PM, Joel wrote:
> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI to give it an
>>>>>> articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him. In my case I just
>>>>> brute-force it.
>>>>
>>>> For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.
>>>
>>> He's a grown intellect, lived his life the proper way, developed
>>> himself into a functional adult.
>>
>> So did Biden. Does Biden speak English as well as hh presumably does in
>> this forum?
>
>
> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe, not to disrespect our
> outgoing president, he's a great man.
>

If you think hh's actual English command is as good as what's in his
posts, then you know something about him that I don't.

All I know about him is that he's probably been a photographer for some
obscure online tabloid magazine. Farley once mentioned he's rich. So he
must've inherited a lot of money from his parents.

But none of this means his English should get that precise.

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rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe [Biden, POTUS], not to disrespect our outgoing
>> president, he's a great man.
>
>Adlai Stevenson was well-spoken to the point he was labeled 'egghead'.
>Probably apocryphal but the legend goes that after a speech a supporter
>said every intelligent person would vote for him. Stevenson said that was
>well and good but he needed a majority.
>
>He ran against Eisenhower in '52 and '56, losing by a landslide each time.
>People lapped up Eisenhower's avuncular style and much of the country
>looked at him and Mamie as grandparents.
>
>I don't know if Biden had it in him to be articulate but a successful
>politician may not want to present as very erudite.

Biden is WYSIWYG - he's a man who appears as he really is, a guy who
isn't a genius but works hard, follows the rules, gets things done. It
was a good thing for four years. I was looking forward to Harris
expanding on the successes of the administration, but alas Trump won
the election, as I should've known he would. We're going to have to
find a balance, in the order of government, but my role will make it
work, bet on it.

--
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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-28, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>>> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe [Biden, POTUS], not to disrespect our outgoing
>>> president, he's a great man.
>>
>>Adlai Stevenson was well-spoken to the point he was labeled 'egghead'.
>>Probably apocryphal but the legend goes that after a speech a supporter
>>said every intelligent person would vote for him. Stevenson said that was
>>well and good but he needed a majority.
>>
>>He ran against Eisenhower in '52 and '56, losing by a landslide each time.
>>People lapped up Eisenhower's avuncular style and much of the country
>>looked at him and Mamie as grandparents.
>>
>>I don't know if Biden had it in him to be articulate but a successful
>>politician may not want to present as very erudite.
>
>
> Biden is WYSIWYG - he's a man who appears as he really is, a guy who
> isn't a genius but works hard, follows the rules, gets things done. It
> was a good thing for four years. I was looking forward to Harris
> expanding on the successes of the administration, but alas Trump won
> the election, as I should've known he would. We're going to have to
> find a balance, in the order of government, but my role will make it
> work, bet on it.
>
Please PM the name of your 'supplier' because even though I don't partake I
might make an exception this time.
Man are you brainwashed.

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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 15:59:06 -0500, Joel wrote:

> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI to
>>>>>> give it an articulate edge. His English command can't be that
>>>>>> precise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him. In my case I just
>>>>> brute-force it.
>>>>
>>>> For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.
>>>
>>> He's a grown intellect, lived his life the proper way, developed
>>> himself into a functional adult.
>>
>>So did Biden. Does Biden speak English as well as hh presumably does in
>>this forum?
>
>
> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe, not to disrespect our outgoing
> president, he's a great man.

Adlai Stevenson was well-spoken to the point he was labeled 'egghead'.
Probably apocryphal but the legend goes that after a speech a supporter
said every intelligent person would vote for him. Stevenson said that was
well and good but he needed a majority.

He ran against Eisenhower in '52 and '56, losing by a landslide each time.
People lapped up Eisenhower's avuncular style and much of the country
looked at him and Mamie as grandparents.

I don't know if Biden had it in him to be articulate but a successful
politician may not want to present as very erudite.

On 12/27/24 4:05 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 12/27/2024 2:59 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI
>>>>>>> to give it an
>>>>>>> articulate edge. His English command can't be that precise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him.  In my case I just
>>>>>> brute-force it.
>>>>>
>>>>> For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.
>>>>
>>>> He's a grown intellect, lived his life the proper way, developed
>>>> himself into a functional adult.
>>>
>>> So did Biden. Does Biden speak English as well as hh presumably does in
>>> this forum?
>>
>>
>> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe, not to disrespect our
>> outgoing president, he's a great man.
>>
>
>
> If you think hh's actual English command is as good as what's in his
> posts, then you know something about him that I don't.

Or it is as simple as paying attention.

> All I know about him is that he's probably been a photographer for some
> obscure online tabloid magazine.

Photography is just a hobby: sorry to disappoint. But I am curious to
learn of this alleged tabloid magazine is, & who came up with it.

> Farley once mentioned he's rich.

They probably got that from Jeff Relf, where everyone with a flush
toilet is by comparison, rich.

> So he must've inherited a lot of money from his parents.

They were public school teachers: care to try some other explanation?

> But none of this means his English should get that precise.

A product of hard work. My English was so deplorably bad at one point
that I enrolled to take classes in Latin for a few years. It helped.

-hh

On 2024-12-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 15:59:06 -0500, Joel wrote:
>
>> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> I think he's [-hh is] even composing his usenet posts asking AI to
>>>>>>> give it an articulate edge. His English command can't be that
>>>>>>> precise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure it can, it's natural for a person like him. In my case I just
>>>>>> brute-force it.
>>>>>
>>>>> For a person like him? Could you elaborate on that a bit.
>>>>
>>>> He's a grown intellect, lived his life the proper way, developed
>>>> himself into a functional adult.
>>>
>>>So did Biden. Does Biden speak English as well as hh presumably does in
>>>this forum?
>>
>>
>> -hh is warmer on the scale than old Joe, not to disrespect our outgoing
>> president, he's a great man.
>
> Adlai Stevenson was well-spoken to the point he was labeled 'egghead'.
> Probably apocryphal but the legend goes that after a speech a supporter
> said every intelligent person would vote for him. Stevenson said that was
> well and good but he needed a majority.
>
> He ran against Eisenhower in '52 and '56, losing by a landslide each time.
> People lapped up Eisenhower's avuncular style and much of the country
> looked at him and Mamie as grandparents.
>
> I don't know if Biden had it in him to be articulate but a successful
> politician may not want to present as very erudite.
>
Biden has always been perceived as somewhat of a goofball.
I go back as far as JFK but IMHO Clinton, Obama, Reagan and JFK were the
most eloquent speakers.
They had charisma and no matter what they said, they inspired confidence
much like FDR and his fireside chats.
And no, I am not THAT old.

Biden from the 2020 campaign forward is a bumbling, mumbling idiot who is
obviously suffering from some type of cognitive failure.
The WH along with the MSM hid this from the public as best they could
but there is no question that Biden was not running the government.
The stories are now leaking out of the WH insiders and the best is yet to come
as they write tell all books.

What I don't understand is how the democrat voters are not very, very upset that
they were lied to and suckered by the WH, DNC and the media as to the truth
about Joe Biden's condition.
If it were me I would be very upset.

But the democrats have a far more serious problem and that is they are no longer
perceived as the party of the working class.
And Kamala Harris dragging in the Hollywood elite and wearing $60k necklaces to a soup
kitchen where she volunteered did not help.
And that's aside from the fact that intelligence wise she is a box of rocks and not
a likeable person.
It's going to take the democrats a long time to rebuild the confidence the working
class has had in them.
And a major reason is because of Kamala Harris.

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