pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:vgh2ei$2aq9b$4@dont-email.me:

>
> As for graduating, I earned a BSEE with a minor in physics.

You don't say.

Proof?

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:vgh11u$2aq9b$3@dont-email.me:

> On 2024-11-06, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>> Trump, 2016: "Migrant Caravans!"
>
> So?
> He was correct.
> He was also correct when he stated that we are not getting the
> brightest and best coming into our country.

But Trump hires them anyway.

And even marries them anyway.

Hmm.....

>
>>
>>> and turning that problem into at least 21 million migrants into the
>>> US which is unprecedented.
>>
>>
>> As I asked chrisv (which he "snipped unread" on):
>> just what is the problem with having these immigrants? Be specific.
>
> Huh?
> They are unvetted.
> We have no idea who these people are, what their past is and why they
> want to come here.

Then why does Trump import them
for his resorts?

> LEGAL MIGRATION is the answer.

Trump doesn't like legal immigration.

Trump Cuts Legal Immigrants By Half
And He�s Not Done Yet
Jul 21, 2020

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/07/21/trump-cuts-legal-
immigrants-by-half-and-hes-not-done-yet/

On Thu, 07 Nov 2024 02:50:37 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:

>pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
>news:vgh11u$2aq9b$3@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 2024-11-06, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Trump, 2016: "Migrant Caravans!"
>>
>> So?
>> He was correct.
>> He was also correct when he stated that we are not getting the
>> brightest and best coming into our country.
>
>
> But Trump hires them anyway.
>
> And even marries them anyway.
>
> Hmm.....
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>> and turning that problem into at least 21 million migrants into the
>>>> US which is unprecedented.
>>>
>>>
>>> As I asked chrisv (which he "snipped unread" on):
>>> just what is the problem with having these immigrants? Be specific.
>>
>> Huh?
>> They are unvetted.
>> We have no idea who these people are, what their past is and why they
>> want to come here.
>
>
> Then why does Trump import them
>for his resorts?
>
>
>> LEGAL MIGRATION is the answer.
>
>
> Trump doesn't like legal immigration.
>
>
>
>Trump Cuts Legal Immigrants By Half
>And He’s Not Done Yet
>Jul 21, 2020
>
>https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/07/21/trump-cuts-legal-
>immigrants-by-half-and-hes-not-done-yet/
>
>

Sorry... I'm not feeling your pain... You backed a loser. I tried to
warn you.

On 11/6/24 5:28 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vgglot$28qmk$1@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 11/6/24 3:57 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vggdme$1ng26$4@dont-email.me>,
>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 11/6/24 10:43 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> In article <vgg0vs$1njia$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/5/24 6:54 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <vgbnta$16af1$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/4/24 8:27 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <vgahgp$uo5b$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/3/24 9:25 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <6726f4e0$0$2385543$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2024 at 8:03:34 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <qopdijd7ms9h2tqgjbah19l27picjvdhg2@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02 Nov 2024 19:59:03 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You keep going off topic. Why not respond to the content, other than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason you have already given -- you are a coward. The media was focused on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the senility of the candidates... now when there is only one senile old man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who clearly has lost his ability to understand what is going on around him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have dropped that. Why do you think that is?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nearly a third of Georgia's registered voters have voted already by early or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <shrug>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump will win. Harris has just not shown the decisiveness, the *ownership* of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I fear you might be correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NP: Atlanta Rhythm Section - Georgia Rhythm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWRuhsWmSWY>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a safe spot picked out? Or will you just enjoy the lower
>>>>>>>>>>> prices and closed border?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, the border would have been restricted to just 5,000/month if Trump
>>>>>>>>>> hadn't ordered the bipartisan border deal legislation to be killed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No bill needed. Just follow the law and cross only at legal crossing
>>>>>>>>> points. Get vetted and if you're clean then welcome. No bill needed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The law for requesting refugee status doesn't require crossing at a
>>>>>>>> legal point. And it doesn't have a monthly quota limit either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And we've had this discussion before: don't you remember how I gave you
>>>>>>>> the URL to the Statute and asked you to cite which line actually says
>>>>>>>> what you claim? Of course you remember .. because you ran away from it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On prices, if the CPI goes down without a recession, I'll send you $100:
>>>>>>>>>> care to show your sincerity by reciprocating the upside on this wager?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stop being stupid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Translation: Skeeter knows that he's a BS'ing coward who can't back up
>>>>>>>> a damn thing he says.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know the laws. That is good enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Morgan Freeman voice]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Which means that he doesn't actually know the law."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [/Morgan Freeman voice]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey did you hear the news? The electoral vote, the popular vote and the
>>>>> senate. Tell us again how he's going to lose.
>>>>
>>>> Changing the subject? Telling.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> I do as I please.
>>
>>
>> Yes, it is your choice to run away from your claims.
>
> I changed them. Like Harris did.

That's an admission that you believe that you're just as dishonest as
you accuse Harris of being. Good going, hypocrite!

>>> You lost. Deal with it.
>>
>> Nope, not at all, for you've been provided with the Statute and you've
>> not been able to prove me wrong by quoting the line with the requirement
>> that you claimed existed.
>
> Huh?

Translation: you know that you don't actually know the law, and are
lying about it.

>> And that you now try to change the subject to the election is totally
>> irrelevant: we all see that you know that you're wrong on the law and
>> you just can't admit it.
>
> So what? Like all liberals I won so that's good enough.

You're going to end up even worse financially than you've been
complaining about...but you'll never publicly admit to.

-hh

On 11/6/24 5:30 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vggmc3$28tuh$1@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 11/6/24 2:18 PM, Lil dwarf Rudey wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>> Do you actually believe in what you say to be willing to put IRL money
>>>> where your mouth is and offer a reciprocation?
>>>>
>>>> Or will you be another coward and dodge, like Skeeter already has?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE HEADED HUNTZY:
>>>
>>> Article III, Section 3, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution states:
>>>
>>> "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War
>>> against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and
>>> Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony
>>> of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
>>>
>>> Article III, Section 3, Clause 2 states:
>>>
>>> "The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but
>>> no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture
>>> except during the Life of the Person attainted."
>>>
>>> Treason Explained
>>> The Constitution defines treason as levying war against the United
>>> States or giving its enemies "aid and comfort." It also specifies that
>>> the federal government cannot secure a conviction for treason unless two
>>> witnesses testify to the same overt act or if the person accused of
>>> treason confesses in open court.
>>>
>>> Clause 2 makes clear that Congress has the power to declare the
>>> punishment for treason.
>>
>> Wannabee fascist says what? <g>
>>
>>
>> Okay, so you don't feel left out, I'll make the same offer to you too:
>>
>> "On prices, if the CPI goes down without a recession, I'll send you
>> $100: care to show your sincerity by reciprocating the upside on this
>> wager?"
>>
>> So then, whats your reciprocating offer going to be?
>>
>> Because if you really believe that you're going to now get price
>> deflation without a recession, you need to put up IRL money where your
>> mouth is, like I already have.
>>
>> For a specific metric, you offer should be to reciprocate with a payment
>> of $100 for each quarter that the CPI-U exceeds 312.692, and if the US
>> goes into a recession, $100 for each quarter or fraction in recession.
>>
>> Now everyone will see if you actually believe in what you say, or if
>> you're just another BSing luzer troglodyte that will dodge & blink.
>>
>>
> She lost bigly. We won yugely.

Congratulations on your "win".

Now just what policies do you think you won?
Be specific, and provide metrics.

Because we know that you've already bailed on believing that prices are
going to go down (without a recession).

What others are you already going to bail on?
And after these, what's left?

-hh

On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 04:52:04 -0500, -hh
<recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>On 11/6/24 5:30 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>> In article <vggmc3$28tuh$1@dont-email.me>,
>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>
>>> On 11/6/24 2:18 PM, Lil dwarf Rudey wrote:
>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>> Do you actually believe in what you say to be willing to put IRL money
>>>>> where your mouth is and offer a reciprocation?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or will you be another coward and dodge, like Skeeter already has?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -hh
>>>>
>>>> THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE HEADED HUNTZY:
>>>>
>>>> Article III, Section 3, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution states:
>>>>
>>>> "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War
>>>> against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and
>>>> Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony
>>>> of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
>>>>
>>>> Article III, Section 3, Clause 2 states:
>>>>
>>>> "The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but
>>>> no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture
>>>> except during the Life of the Person attainted."
>>>>
>>>> Treason Explained
>>>> The Constitution defines treason as levying war against the United
>>>> States or giving its enemies "aid and comfort." It also specifies that
>>>> the federal government cannot secure a conviction for treason unless two
>>>> witnesses testify to the same overt act or if the person accused of
>>>> treason confesses in open court.
>>>>
>>>> Clause 2 makes clear that Congress has the power to declare the
>>>> punishment for treason.
>>>
>>> Wannabee fascist says what? <g>
>>>
>>>
>>> Okay, so you don't feel left out, I'll make the same offer to you too:
>>>
>>> "On prices, if the CPI goes down without a recession, I'll send you
>>> $100: care to show your sincerity by reciprocating the upside on this
>>> wager?"
>>>
>>> So then, whats your reciprocating offer going to be?
>>>
>>> Because if you really believe that you're going to now get price
>>> deflation without a recession, you need to put up IRL money where your
>>> mouth is, like I already have.
>>>
>>> For a specific metric, you offer should be to reciprocate with a payment
>>> of $100 for each quarter that the CPI-U exceeds 312.692, and if the US
>>> goes into a recession, $100 for each quarter or fraction in recession.
>>>
>>> Now everyone will see if you actually believe in what you say, or if
>>> you're just another BSing luzer troglodyte that will dodge & blink.
>>>
>>>
>> She lost bigly. We won yugely.
>
>Congratulations on your "win".
>
>Now just what policies do you think you won?
>Be specific, and provide metrics.
>
>Because we know that you've already bailed on believing that prices are
>going to go down (without a recession).
>
>What others are you already going to bail on?
>And after these, what's left?
>
>
>-hh

The election is over. Now the losers want to hang around and argue
with the winners. I have no interest in doing that. Perhaps it'd be
better for the losers to get together with the other losers and
discuss how not to be losers.

Dimbulb Kamala says she's going to keep on fighting for her agenda
that's been massively rejected. I'm just going to sit back and watch.

On 11/6/24 7:19 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-11-06, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 11/6/24 10:58 AM, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-06, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/5/24 9:15 AM, pothead wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-11-05, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/4/24 5:01 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-11-04, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/3/24 9:25 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <6726f4e0$0$2385543$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2024 at 8:03:34 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <qopdijd7ms9h2tqgjbah19l27picjvdhg2@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> L>>>> On 02 Nov 2024 19:59:03 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You keep going off topic. Why not respond to the content, other than the
>>>>>>>>>>>> reason you have already given -- you are a coward. The media was focused on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the senility of the candidates... now when there is only one senile old man
>>>>>>>>>>>> who clearly has lost his ability to understand what is going on around him
>>>>>>>>>>>> they have dropped that. Why do you think that is?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nearly a third of Georgia's registered voters have voted already by early or
>>>>>>>>>>> mail.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <shrug>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump will win. Harris has just not shown the decisiveness, the *ownership* of
>>>>>>>>>>> the office.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I fear you might be correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> NP: Atlanta Rhythm Section - Georgia Rhythm
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWRuhsWmSWY>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you have a safe spot picked out? Or will you just enjoy the lower
>>>>>>>>> prices and closed border?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, the border would have been restricted to just 5,000/month if Trump
>>>>>>>> hadn't ordered the bipartisan border deal legislation to be killed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On prices, if the CPI goes down without a recession, I'll send you $100:
>>>>>>>> care to show your sincerity by reciprocating the upside on this wager?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No bill needed.
>>>>>>> Just reinstate the Trump policies that Biden/Harris rescinded on day one,...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just which Trump policy has survived Court rulings to make it legal?
>>>>>> Go ahead and list them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... continue
>>>>>>> building the wall and add to it additional high tech monitoring and all
>>>>>>> would be fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you're willing to pay how much more in income taxes to pay for what
>>>>>> you want? Put up a number.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why did Biden/Harris/Majorkas claim for 3.5 years that the border was secure?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because CBP encounters were way up. CBP also reported that a lot of the
>>>>>> apprehensions were repeats ... the same guy, again & again. I could
>>>>>> look up the numbers, but my recollection is that something like 75% were
>>>>>> repeats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4455506-breaking-down-the-senate-border-bill-and-why-it-has-no-chance-of-passing/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No chance of passing isn't the same as saying if it would start to fix
>>>>>> the immigration problems or not. Try again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting that a libby is all of a sudden interested in policies being legal.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, you'll find me stating "Rule of Law" many times in the archives.
>>>> Case in point, here's one from over a decade ago:
>>>>
>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/6iliw4eou5o/m/0fV_yx55dWsJ>
>>>>
>>>>> Were you singing the same tune when Biden ignored the courts to find
>>>>> a method to forgive student loans?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only comment I've made on that subject was to fact-check chrisv a year
>>>> ago: he incorrectly claim that lost interest went to taxpayers. It
>>>> doesn't: it goes to the banks servicing the loans.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Anyway the main policies such as:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Remain in Mexico
>>>>> 2. No catch and release in US.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for legal challenges, remain in Mexico was ended by Biden, challenged in SCOTUS
>>>>> who ruled in Biden's favor to end the policy however it was blocked by a federal judge
>>>>> who ruled Biden did not have the authority to end the program.
>>>>>
>>>>> Either way, it was working.
>>>>
>>>> Except that the Judiciary Branch said it wasn't legal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Instead of churning numbers, which suck BTW, why not read what the states and border
>>>>> patrol think of Joe Biden and his open border.
>>>>
>>>> Before Trump spoke up, CPB was in favor of the 2024 Bipartisan Bill.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It's a disaster that his administration, including Harris, created and are 100% responsible
>>>>> for.
>>>>
>>>> Immigration has been a political football for longer than Biden has been
>>>> alive. And only a dishonest partisan blames the Executive Branch when
>>>> the Judicial Branch concludes that a policy is unconstitutional.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>>
>>> It hasn't been a political football nor a problem prior to Biden taking office
>>
>>
>> Bull Shit.
>>
>> Trump, 2016: "Migrant Caravans!"
>
> So?
> He was correct.

So how many were there actually? Because there's always been emigration
to the USA, so numbers matter. Similarly, was it more or less than in
the past? If you can't answer these, then you're not being objective.

> He was also correct when he stated that we are not getting the brightest and best
> coming into our country.
> Fact.

And is that a change?

>>> and turning that problem into at least 21 million migrants into the US which
>>> is unprecedented.
>>
>>
>> As I asked chrisv (which he "snipped unread" on):
>> just what is the problem with having these immigrants? Be specific.
>
> Huh?
> They are unvetted.

And that's the _only_ reason? Because if that were really true, the
Dreamers would have all been given citizenship a decade ago.

> We have no idea who these people are, what their past is and why they want to
> come here.

Most arrivals today are filling out applications.
Why are we sitting on the paperwork for 3+ years before reviewing them?

> You sure don't sound like a military person.
> Perhaps a civie?

On 11/6/24 8:20 PM, chrisv wrote:
> pothead wrote:
>
>> -highhorse wrote:
>>>
>>> As I asked chrisv (which he "snipped unread" on):
>>> just what is the problem with having these immigrants? Be specific.
>
> Lie. I read and answered that question. Too many, too quickly.
> Overwhelming our systems. Not vetted for their need or for our
> benefit.
>
>> They are unvetted.
>> (snip)
>> LEGAL MIGRATION is the answer.
>> Stand in line like millions of others have for centuries.
>
> Exactly.
>
>>> And reconcile it with what I've already said, including how the The
>>> Idaho Dairymen’s Association estimated that 89% of their state’s on-site
>>> dairy workers are foreign-born: do you have enough of an education on
>>> Supply & Demand to have a clue for what will happen to the availability
>>> and price of milk if 9 out of 10 workers get deported?
>>
>> Fine.
>> Let them apply legally.
>> Nobody is claiming migrants are bad, they buiit America however it
>> needs to be controlled.
>
> Right.
>
> A few years ago I was making the same case as -highhorse is today, and
> I've not changed my position. Some immigration is a good thing. But
> it must be regulated to a rate which can be comfortably absorbed.
>

chrisv is conveniently forgetting how even RonB came around after he was
shown to not understand how bad the "wait your turn in line" is broken.
Check the archives.

-hh

On 11/6/24 6:54 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-11-06, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 11/5/24 9:15 AM, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-05, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/4/24 5:01 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-11-04, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/3/24 9:25 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <6726f4e0$0$2385543$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2024 at 8:03:34 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>>>>>> <qopdijd7ms9h2tqgjbah19l27picjvdhg2@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> L>>>> On 02 Nov 2024 19:59:03 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You keep going off topic. Why not respond to the content, other than the
>>>>>>>>>> reason you have already given -- you are a coward. The media was focused on
>>>>>>>>>> the senility of the candidates... now when there is only one senile old man
>>>>>>>>>> who clearly has lost his ability to understand what is going on around him
>>>>>>>>>> they have dropped that. Why do you think that is?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nearly a third of Georgia's registered voters have voted already by early or
>>>>>>>>> mail.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <shrug>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump will win. Harris has just not shown the decisiveness, the *ownership* of
>>>>>>>>> the office.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I fear you might be correct.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NP: Atlanta Rhythm Section - Georgia Rhythm
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWRuhsWmSWY>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you have a safe spot picked out? Or will you just enjoy the lower
>>>>>>> prices and closed border?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, the border would have been restricted to just 5,000/month if Trump
>>>>>> hadn't ordered the bipartisan border deal legislation to be killed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On prices, if the CPI goes down without a recession, I'll send you $100:
>>>>>> care to show your sincerity by reciprocating the upside on this wager?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No bill needed.
>>>>> Just reinstate the Trump policies that Biden/Harris rescinded on day one,...
>>>>
>>>> Just which Trump policy has survived Court rulings to make it legal?
>>>> Go ahead and list them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ... continue
>>>>> building the wall and add to it additional high tech monitoring and all
>>>>> would be fine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you're willing to pay how much more in income taxes to pay for what
>>>> you want? Put up a number.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why did Biden/Harris/Majorkas claim for 3.5 years that the border was secure?
>>>>
>>>> Because CBP encounters were way up. CBP also reported that a lot of the
>>>> apprehensions were repeats ... the same guy, again & again. I could
>>>> look up the numbers, but my recollection is that something like 75% were
>>>> repeats.
>>>>
>>>>> <https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4455506-breaking-down-the-senate-border-bill-and-why-it-has-no-chance-of-passing/>
>>>>
>>>> No chance of passing isn't the same as saying if it would start to fix
>>>> the immigration problems or not. Try again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>>
>>> Interesting that a libby is all of a sudden interested in policies being legal.
>>
>> Oh, you'll find me stating "Rule of Law" many times in the archives.
>> Case in point, here's one from over a decade ago:
>
> When your side is guilty of violating it?
> That's the point.
>
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/6iliw4eou5o/m/0fV_yx55dWsJ>
>>
>>> Were you singing the same tune when Biden ignored the courts to find
>>> a method to forgive student loans?
>>
>>
>> Only comment I've made on that subject was to fact-check chrisv a year
>> ago: he incorrectly claim that lost interest went to taxpayers. It
>> doesn't: it goes to the banks servicing the loans.
>>
>
> I don't care what anyone else says.
> So you have criticized the democrats when they violate the rule of law?

Yes, when a topic has come up to my attention to make a comment on.

>>> Anyway the main policies such as:
>>>
>>> 1. Remain in Mexico
>>> 2. No catch and release in US.
>>>
>>> As for legal challenges, remain in Mexico was ended by Biden, challenged in SCOTUS
>>> who ruled in Biden's favor to end the policy however it was blocked by a federal judge
>>> who ruled Biden did not have the authority to end the program.
>>>
>>> Either way, it was working.
>>
>> Except that the Judiciary Branch said it wasn't legal.
>
> It is still being litigated.

And the role of the Judiciary is being honored...right?

>>> Instead of churning numbers, which suck BTW, why not read what the states and border
>>> patrol think of Joe Biden and his open border.
>>
>> Before Trump spoke up, CPB was in favor of the 2024 Bipartisan Bill.
>
> And then they actually learned what was in the bill.
> End of story.
>
> Whether Trump used it as a political pawn or not doesn't matter as the bill was
> a disaster.

Yet you've still not been specified just how so in your allegations.

> And why did the democrats claim the border has been secure for 3.5 years?
> You are arguing a point that you cannot win.

Per cite I posted elsewhere today, Illegal crossings are down by 70%:
the so-called "problem!" isn't as huge as you're trying to claim it is.

>>> It's a disaster that his administration, including Harris, created and are 100% responsible
>>> for.
>>
>> Immigration has been a political football for longer than Biden has been
>> alive. And only a dishonest partisan blames the Executive Branch when
>> the Judicial Branch concludes that a policy is unconstitutional.
>>
>>
>> -hh

And as noted elsewhere, ~87% of illegals were already in the US before
Biden/Harris Amin: when will you retract your "100% responsible"?

-hh

On 11/6/24 9:45 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
> news:vgh2ei$2aq9b$4@dont-email.me:
>
>
>>
>> As for graduating, I earned a BSEE with a minor in physics.
>
>
> You don't say.
>
> Proof?

It will never be forthcoming.

And even if I'm wrong, he's not shown that he's made himself a
successful career in that field.

An EE today with 30+ years experience should be making in the ballpark
of $150K/year. Double that, if they're in hot spots like the Valley.

That he's whining about what should be a minor inconvenience for his
household shows us either that he's extremely empathetic toward the less
fortunate & minorities that he still holds resentment from college
towards...

....or he's not been successful at monetizing this alleged BSEE.

-hh

On 11/6/24 8:10 PM, chrisv wrote:
> pothead wrote:
>
>> -highhorse wrote:
>>>
>>> Odd how if I'm capitalist-hating that some rag on me for being
>>> supposedly the richest person here.
>
> Hahaha! Example quote and/or message ID?

See several of Relf's posts.

-hh

On 11/6/2024 7:55 PM, Joel wrote:
> Make Hitler dead again!
Do you finally get arrested for your death threats on Trump, Vance, and
Musk, Rudey?

Is it time or we will see your sorry ass until January 2oth of '25?

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/D.Ray/Henry Bodkin and a dozen other forged socks
of living and dead posters wrote:

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

In article <vgiore$2n4u3$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 11/7/24 8:30 AM, pothead wrote:
> > On 2024-11-07, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >> On 11/6/24 6:54 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>> On 2024-11-06, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 11/5/24 9:15 AM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>> On 2024-11-05, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 11/4/24 5:01 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2024-11-04, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 11/3/24 9:25 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article <6726f4e0$0$2385543$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2024 at 8:03:34 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
> >>>>>>>>>> <qopdijd7ms9h2tqgjbah19l27picjvdhg2@4ax.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> L>>>> On 02 Nov 2024 19:59:03 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You keep going off topic. Why not respond to the content, other than the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> reason you have already given -- you are a coward. The media was focused on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the senility of the candidates... now when there is only one senile old man
> >>>>>>>>>>>> who clearly has lost his ability to understand what is going on around him
> >>>>>>>>>>>> they have dropped that. Why do you think that is?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Nearly a third of Georgia's registered voters have voted already by early or
> >>>>>>>>>>> mail.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> <shrug>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Trump will win. Harris has just not shown the decisiveness, the *ownership* of
> >>>>>>>>>>> the office.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I fear you might be correct.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> NP: Atlanta Rhythm Section - Georgia Rhythm
> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWRuhsWmSWY>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Do you have a safe spot picked out? Or will you just enjoy the lower
> >>>>>>>>> prices and closed border?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Well, the border would have been restricted to just 5,000/month if Trump
> >>>>>>>> hadn't ordered the bipartisan border deal legislation to be killed.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On prices, if the CPI goes down without a recession, I'll send you $100:
> >>>>>>>> care to show your sincerity by reciprocating the upside on this wager?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No bill needed.
> >>>>>>> Just reinstate the Trump policies that Biden/Harris rescinded on day one,...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just which Trump policy has survived Court rulings to make it legal?
> >>>>>> Go ahead and list them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ... continue
> >>>>>>> building the wall and add to it additional high tech monitoring and all
> >>>>>>> would be fine.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And you're willing to pay how much more in income taxes to pay for what
> >>>>>> you want? Put up a number.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Why did Biden/Harris/Majorkas claim for 3.5 years that the border was secure?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Because CBP encounters were way up. CBP also reported that a lot of the
> >>>>>> apprehensions were repeats ... the same guy, again & again. I could
> >>>>>> look up the numbers, but my recollection is that something like 75% were
> >>>>>> repeats.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> <https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4455506-breaking-down-the-senate-border-bill-and-why-it-has-no-chance-of-passing/>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No chance of passing isn't the same as saying if it would start to fix
> >>>>>> the immigration problems or not. Try again.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Interesting that a libby is all of a sudden interested in policies being legal.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh, you'll find me stating "Rule of Law" many times in the archives.
> >>>> Case in point, here's one from over a decade ago:
> >>>
> >>> When your side is guilty of violating it?
> >>> That's the point.
> >>>
> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/6iliw4eou5o/m/0fV_yx55dWsJ>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Were you singing the same tune when Biden ignored the courts to find
> >>>>> a method to forgive student loans?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Only comment I've made on that subject was to fact-check chrisv a year
> >>>> ago: he incorrectly claim that lost interest went to taxpayers. It
> >>>> doesn't: it goes to the banks servicing the loans.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I don't care what anyone else says.
> >>> So you have criticized the democrats when they violate the rule of law?
> >>
> >> Yes, when a topic has come up to my attention to make a comment on.
> >
> > Ok.
> > So what's your opinion on the legality of student loan forgiveness?
> > How about special treatment for blacks ie: loans, reparations etc ?
> >
> >>
> >>>>> Anyway the main policies such as:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Remain in Mexico
> >>>>> 2. No catch and release in US.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for legal challenges, remain in Mexico was ended by Biden, challenged in SCOTUS
> >>>>> who ruled in Biden's favor to end the policy however it was blocked by a federal judge
> >>>>> who ruled Biden did not have the authority to end the program.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Either way, it was working.
> >>>>
> >>>> Except that the Judiciary Branch said it wasn't legal.
> >>>
> >>> It is still being litigated.
> >>
> >> And the role of the Judiciary is being honored...right?
> >
> > At this point yes.
> > The program has not been restored yet.
> > That doesn't mean it's illegal though.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>>>> Instead of churning numbers, which suck BTW, why not read what the states and border
> >>>>> patrol think of Joe Biden and his open border.
> >>>>
> >>>> Before Trump spoke up, CPB was in favor of the 2024 Bipartisan Bill.
> >>>
> >>> And then they actually learned what was in the bill.
> >>> End of story.
> >>>
> >>> Whether Trump used it as a political pawn or not doesn't matter as the bill was
> >>> a disaster.
> >>
> >> Yet you've still not been specified just how so in your allegations.
> >
> > Actually I have, several times in fact.
> >
> > <https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kamala-harris-touts-2021-immigration-bill-as-border-fix-but-it-would-allow-millions-deported-under-trump-to-return/ar-AA1sYqEo>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>> And why did the democrats claim the border has been secure for 3.5 years?
> >>> You are arguing a point that you cannot win.
> >>
> >> Per cite I posted elsewhere today, Illegal crossings are down by 70%:
> >> the so-called "problem!" isn't as huge as you're trying to claim it is.
> >
> > Lol !
> > That's the same lame argument Harris/Biden tried when they say "inflation is down".
> > Sure it is.
> > However what was it when your administration took office?
> > Same thing for border crossings.
> > When did the massive numbers begin?
>
> I already told you .. why have you conveniently forgotten already?
>
> >>
> >>>>> It's a disaster that his administration, including Harris, created and are 100% responsible
> >>>>> for.
> >>>>
> >>>> Immigration has been a political football for longer than Biden has been
> >>>> alive. And only a dishonest partisan blames the Executive Branch when
> >>>> the Judicial Branch concludes that a policy is unconstitutional.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -hh
> >>
> >> And as noted elsewhere, ~87% of illegals were already in the US before
> >> Biden/Harris Amin: when will you retract your "100% responsible"?
> >
> >> -hh
> >
> > Why should I?
>
> Because it is wrong and you're an honorable person.
>
> > When did the massive numbers of crossings begin?
>
> For beginning, the cite I provided you before only goes back to 1980 for
> crossings (Reagan had a year with over 1.6M entries), but the metric
> you're really interested in is successful unauthorized entries. The
> values listed there go back to only 2000, where it was 2.1M. For 660K
> today vs 2.1M in a year, that means that there's been a 60% reduction.
>
>
> > When did the crime begin?
>
> Crime started a few decades after Eve gave birth to Cain, when he killed
> Able.
>
>
> > When did sanctuary cities begin complaining about migrants, the cost and so forth?
>
> Cities cried for money during CoVid because revenues crashed. Try
> looking at when the "but migrants cost our city money" part started
> versus when their CoVid aid ran out.
>
>
> > Under Trump?
> > Or
> > Under Biden?
>
> When did the CoVid assistance funds run out?
>
>
> > This current situation isn't even close in impact to the DACA dreamers situation.
>
> Where "impact" is alluding to quantity of peoples, not the principle?
>
> Besides, there's 3.6M DACA Dreamers, which is 1M more than the estimated
> successful unauthorized entries under Biden that you've claimed that
> you're so worried about, so you're right that the two isn't close in
> impact, because the group of DACAs is 40% larger.
>
>
> > They migrated, settled down, started businesses and for the most part stayed
> > out of trouble and became productive members of society.
>
> And yet they're still in legal limbo. Why?
>
>
> > It's nothing like we are experiencing now.
>
> No, it is exactly the crux of today's situation which prompts current
> illegals to stay underground, to have a lower chance of getting screwed.
>
> The Dreamers have been left dangling for 23 years and counting.
>
>
> This is a classical "you sow what you reap" in that trying to ask
> illegals to voluntarily register today has zero upside potential for
> them, because everyone knows how we've jerked around the Dreamers and
> have left them dangling for 23 years and counting.
>
> Pragmatically, the only way to break this cycle is by granting full
> citizenship to all of the DACA Dreamers immediately, and then put in
> place a new legal system which prevents any subsequent applicants from
> getting jerked around like the Dreamers were.
>
>
> -hh

On 11/7/24 11:24 AM, vallor wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 11:11:26 -0500, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
> wrote in <vgiore$2n4u3$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Pragmatically, the only way to break this cycle is by granting full
>> citizenship to all of the DACA Dreamers immediately, and then put in
>> place a new legal system which prevents any subsequent applicants from
>> getting jerked around like the Dreamers were.
>
> hh,
>
> These are all lovely thoughts, but have you considered where you're
> posting them?

Yup.

> ObLinuxTrivia: The Linux kernel nfsv4 code includes a "laundromat".

ObLinux: what Newsreader has the "wc -l" command integrated as a tool
for a "snipped, unread" claim to be plausible?

-hh

On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 15:09:25 -0500, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
wrote in <vglr5m$3bbtr$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 11/7/24 11:24 AM, vallor wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 11:11:26 -0500, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
>> wrote in <vgiore$2n4u3$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> Pragmatically, the only way to break this cycle is by granting full
>>> citizenship to all of the DACA Dreamers immediately, and then put in
>>> place a new legal system which prevents any subsequent applicants from
>>> getting jerked around like the Dreamers were.
>>
>> hh,
>>
>> These are all lovely thoughts, but have you considered where you're
>> posting them?
>
> Yup.
>
>
>> ObLinuxTrivia: The Linux kernel nfsv4 code includes a "laundromat".
>
>
> ObLinux: what Newsreader has the "wc -l" command integrated as a tool
> for a "snipped, unread" claim to be plausible?
>
>
> -hh

Depends on what editor one uses.

Some editors let you mark a chunk of text and pipe it through
a command.

I don't think Forte Agent's editor will let you do that, though, since
it is a WINDOS tool.

It is, however, trivial to swipe a selection
with a mouse and paste it into a terminal running "wc -l"...

--
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OS: Linux 6.11.6 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"I would have made a good Pope. -Richard Nixon"

pothead wrote:

> -highhorse wrote:
>>
>>>pothead wrote:
>>>
>>> And why did the democrats claim the border has been secure for 3.5 years?
>>> You are arguing a point that you cannot win.
>>
>> Per cite I posted elsewhere today, Illegal crossings are down by 70%:
>> the so-called "problem!" isn't as huge as you're trying to claim it is.
>
>Lol !
>That's the same lame argument Harris/Biden tried when they say "inflation is down".
>Sure it is.
>However what was it when your administration took office?
>Same thing for border crossings.
>When did the massive numbers begin?

The graphs on the below page show the numbers exploding when Biden
took office.

https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/

In his 60 Minutes interview with Harris, Bill Whitaker states that
there was a "historic flood of undocumented immigrants coming across
the border" in the first three years of the Biden administration, and
that the numbers *quadrupled* from the last year of Trump's term!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJys7OVH24E&t=564s

But don't expect -highhorse to admit what is the obvious truth.

vallor wrote:

> -highhorse wrote:
>>
>> ObLinux: what Newsreader has the "wc -l" command integrated as a tool
>> for a "snipped, unread" claim to be plausible?

It's always funny, when a pathetic lying loser, like -highhorse,
insinuates that I've been dishonest.

>Depends on what editor one uses.
>
>Some editors let you mark a chunk of text and pipe it through
>a command.
>
>I don't think Forte Agent's editor will let you do that, though, since
>it is a WINDOS tool.

Agent shows the number of lines of every post.

https://imgur.com/a/up-yours-highhorse-jJUuAOu

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On 2024-11-08, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> pothead wrote:
>
>> -highhorse wrote:
>>>
>>>>pothead wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And why did the democrats claim the border has been secure for 3.5 years?
>>>> You are arguing a point that you cannot win.
>>>
>>> Per cite I posted elsewhere today, Illegal crossings are down by 70%:
>>> the so-called "problem!" isn't as huge as you're trying to claim it is.
>>
>>Lol !
>>That's the same lame argument Harris/Biden tried when they say "inflation is down".
>>Sure it is.
>>However what was it when your administration took office?
>>Same thing for border crossings.
>>When did the massive numbers begin?
>
> The graphs on the below page show the numbers exploding when Biden
> took office.
>
> https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/
>
> In his 60 Minutes interview with Harris, Bill Whitaker states that
> there was a "historic flood of undocumented immigrants coming across
> the border" in the first three years of the Biden administration, and
> that the numbers *quadrupled* from the last year of Trump's term!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJys7OVH24E&t=564s
>
> But don't expect -highhorse to admit what is the obvious truth.
>
He's one of those types who can quote all kinds of spun numbers but yet
is unable to explain, logically and practically why the numbers don't equate
to real life experiences.

Studies reveal that ~80% of statistics are made up or spun.
And with the Internet and the ease of finding numbers to bolster one's case
it's probably even higher.

A classic example is inflation measurements. Some exclude food and energy prices.

And hh is falling into the same exact trap that was a reason why the democrats
were wiped out in the election.
The democrats clung to numbers claiming things were either great or getting
better while ignoring the simple fact that the "lived economy", meaning what average
people experience each day trying to survive is a disaster.

And then they are fed crap 24x7 by the likes of MSNBC where Joe Scarbourough was
shocked by the price of butter.
Duhh....

So what do those people have in common with hh, or me for that matter?
NOTHING.
The democrats made the same mistake.

People like hh can't see the forest for the trees and like meteorologists often get accused of doing,
claim it's raining outside because all the scientific indications prove that except
they forgot to look out the window and they missed the fact that it's not raining out.

hh, like the democrats goes by numbers, polling, stats and so forth and in the process forgets
to actually ask the voters what they are feeling and experiencing. This why I suggest to the numbers
people to go boots on the ground and ask people.

This is where Trump destroyed them.

The people have taken Bidenomics and stuffed it where the sun doesn't shine.
Why?
Tell a single mother in the supermarket that the stock market is doing doing great.

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On 2024-11-08, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 15:09:25 -0500, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
> wrote in <vglr5m$3bbtr$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 11/7/24 11:24 AM, vallor wrote:
>>> On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 11:11:26 -0500, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
>>> wrote in <vgiore$2n4u3$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> Pragmatically, the only way to break this cycle is by granting full
>>>> citizenship to all of the DACA Dreamers immediately, and then put in
>>>> place a new legal system which prevents any subsequent applicants from
>>>> getting jerked around like the Dreamers were.
>>>
>>> hh,
>>>
>>> These are all lovely thoughts, but have you considered where you're
>>> posting them?
>>
>> Yup.
>>
>>
>>> ObLinuxTrivia: The Linux kernel nfsv4 code includes a "laundromat".
>>
>>
>> ObLinux: what Newsreader has the "wc -l" command integrated as a tool
>> for a "snipped, unread" claim to be plausible?
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> Depends on what editor one uses.
>
> Some editors let you mark a chunk of text and pipe it through
> a command.
>
> I don't think Forte Agent's editor will let you do that, though, since
> it is a WINDOS tool.
>
> It is, however, trivial to swipe a selection
> with a mouse and paste it into a terminal running "wc -l"...
>
Thank you for the editor suggestions. I ended up with a GUI editor, Kate. Tried
vim and it's just not for me.
Thank you again.

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pothead wrote:
> Studies reveal that ~80% of statistics are made up or spun.
> And with the Internet and the ease of finding numbers to bolster one's case
> it's probably even higher.
>
> A classic example is inflation measurements. Some exclude food and energy prices.
>

Rather than any attempt at objective measures we can depend on you
tell what is.

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On 11/8/24 4:20 PM, vallor wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 15:09:25 -0500, -hh wrote:
>> ...
>> ObLinux: what Newsreader has the "wc -l" command integrated as a tool
>> for a "snipped, unread" claim to be plausible?
>
> Depends on what editor one uses.
>
> Some editors let you mark a chunk of text and pipe it through
> a command.
>
> I don't think Forte Agent's editor will let you do that, though, since
> it is a WINDOS tool.
>
> It is, however, trivial to swipe a selection
> with a mouse and paste it into a terminal running "wc -l"...

Agreed, its pretty easy to do, in a basic form.

The challenge is in credibility when someone claims that XX number of
lines infers 'garbage' while also claiming to have not looked at the
text itself for determining new content vs old quoted text.

For example, consider this alleged screen shot from Agent:
<https://imgur.com/a/up-yours-highhorse-jJUuAOu>

My 254 line response to pothead's 205 lines: at best, one could
subtract (254-205=49) to infer a 49 new lines of content, but that's
primitive because it also includes automatic headers, new line wraps,
white space, which isn't new content, so its an overcount.

Similarly, your response to me was just 19 lines because you cut quoted
text which throws off a delta comparison with an undercount. Now a good
craftsman doesn't blame his tools...but sadly, that won't happen here.

-hh

On 11/8/24 4:24 PM, chrisv wrote:
> pothead wrote:
>> ...
>> When did the massive numbers begin?
>
> The graphs on the below page show the numbers exploding when Biden
> took office.
>
> https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/

Read your own cite: those are CBP **Encounters**, not illegals who have
entered the US having eluded capture. Wrong data, stupid 'BSEE'.

-hh

On 11/11/24 7:24 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 05:45:06 -0500, -hh wrote:
>> On 11/8/24 4:24 PM, chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> The graphs on the below page show the numbers exploding when Biden
>>> took office.
>>>
>>> https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/
>>
>> Read your own cite: those are CBP **Encounters**, not illegals who have
>> entered the US having eluded capture. Wrong data, stupid 'BSEE'.
>
> Since the general policy was catch and release they are one and the same.

False, as per the CBP. Their report is linked in above cite, which says:

"The number of total encounters overstates the number of unique
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
people attempting to cross the border. Prior to the pandemic,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
about one in eight border encounters involved a person previously
encountered during the prior year. However, since CBP began expelling
noncitizens under the CDC’s Title 42 public health order to limit the
spread of COVID-19, the repeat encounter rate jumped to more than one in
three encounters, including almost half of single adult encounters."

This is "recidivism"; it was 7% in 2019, and 35% in the above (3x-4x).

TL;DR: those sent back keep on trying, but get caught again & again.

-hh

On 11/9/24 12:33 PM, Citizen Winston Smith wrote:
> On 11/8/2024 5:39 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
>> pothead wrote:
>>> Studies reveal that ~80% of statistics are made up or spun.
>>> And with the Internet and the ease of finding numbers to bolster
>>> one's case
>>> it's probably even higher.
>>>
>>> A classic example is inflation measurements. Some exclude food and
>>> energy prices.
>>
>> Rather than any attempt at objective measures we can depend on you
>> tell what is.

Emotions-based snowflakes /s

> Demotardia removed M3 reportage too, meth whore.

Who? Because GW Bush was president on March 23, 2006 when the Federal
Reserve stopped publishing M3.

And both the outgoing & incoming Federal Reserve Chairmen were appointed
by GOP presidents: Alan Greenspan by Reagan, & Ben Bernanke by Bush.

-hh

-hh wrote:

> (snipped, unread)

-highhorse_fail++;

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